文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
From: Phokgoân Chio̍h
Date: 2008-05-02 17:05:33
- 這是我在 PTT 上面的文章, 跟大家分享 作者 Astroviolin ( 星空小提琴 ) 看板 TW-language
- 標題 Re: [請教] 想請教台語的文字 謝謝
- 時間 Fri May 2 16:46:04 2008
- ───────────────────────────────────────※ 引述《AngiHuang (dai su ki~)》之銘言：
- 據我所知台語是有音韻的語言 以前台灣有讀書的人 在學校學文言文 全是台語的
- 有平有仄音 現在很多要復興台語 找不到其文字 我認為其中的原因是 現在人不懂得
- 會話與上課用的台語有些差異 我希望對台語有研究的人可以分享這方面的知識
- 像英文在美國當地人的會話就跟學校教的標準英文有些差異….期待有更多人能
- 還原台語文字教學 與提供更多台語會話研究 這將是我國文化資產之一 . 謝謝!文言文和口語是不一樣的 這和口語英語以及學校教的英文壓根是不同的 請你看下面這段英文 Whan þat Aprill with his shoures sote Þe droghte of Marche haþ perced to the rote, And baðed euery veyne in swich licour, Of which vertu engendred is þe flour; Whan Zephirus eek with his swete breeþ Inspired haþ in euery holt and heeþ Þe tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne Haþ in the Ram his halfe course yronne, And smale fowles maken melodye, That slepen al the niȝt with open yem̂ So prikeþ hem Nature in hir coragesm̂請問你能否了解這段英文, 或者知道有人使用這樣的英文溝通呢? 我想, 大概不容易, 搞不好你還懷疑這怎麼叫做英文, 請我多做研究再參加討論 而且這段文字裡面有些字元說不定你還看不到, 因為瀏覽器不支援 這段文字使用的語言, 叫做 Middle English, 上面的文章擷自英文 Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_English 在現在 ISO 639 (語言列表) 裡面代號訂為 "enm" http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=enm 請問, 你使用這種語言嗎? 平平都是 "英語" 喔.我們現在使用的這種語言, 稱做 Modern English 在現在 ISO 639 (語言列表) 裡面代號訂為 "eng" http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=eng事實上, 你可以說這兩種語言有淵源, 但這已經是兩種不同的語言. 你還要看更古老的嗎? 你記不記得前一陣子有一部電影叫做 "Beowulf (貝武夫)" 裡面 Angelina Jolie 穿著高跟鞋全身光溜溜跑來跑去 其實, "Beowulf" 可是用更古老的 Old English 寫成的, 代號 "ang" http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=ang 附上 Wikipedia 裡面 Old English 的文章以及 Beowulf 的範例文 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English_language#Beowulf請問, 你以這種語言溝通嗎? 或者你去哪裡補習你所謂的 "標準英文" 學得到這些語言? 麻煩跟我講一下, 我超有興趣的.事實上, 你根本就搞混了. 不過你不用擔心, 因為很多人跟你一樣搞混 很多人都抱著 "文言文" = "中文" = "漢語" = "國語" = "普通話" = Mandarin 所以在他們的認識裡面, 覺得文言文就是我們現在講的語言的一種 "古典形式" 而已 這種誤會又帶出了其他衍生物 首先, 國語就是中文 (奇怪, 那為什麼沒把它叫做 "中語"??) 而其他的語言都是 "漢語方言" 所以, 所有這些語言都是 "國語的方言" (抱歉, 如果照這樣定義, Mandarin 本身也是一種方言) 是地方的, 沒什麼水準, 只能用來日常問候等等, 我不再詳述 第二, 因為中文 = 1. 國語, 也等於 2.文言文 所以你無論是要減少文言文比例, 或者是要恢復其他母語的空間 一律叫做 "去中國化", 這樣的定位又馬上跟政治掛上關係 於是單純地討論語言本身, 卻會成為眾矢之的, 母語也永不得翻身 (事實上, 他們完全沒有意識到學校的文言文本身就是一種 "第二外語" 以為孩子學起來好輕鬆好輕鬆, 而一提到教母語就說 "孩子好累, 這是個負擔") 其他還有第三, 第四, 更多更多沒營養的東西, 我就不講了一個概念的失誤, 卻可以帶出這麼多荒謬的結論事實上, 文言文和 Mandarin, 根本就是不同的語言 怎麼說呢? 因為文言文的無論文法, 語彙, 句構, 詞語用法, 都跟 "國語" 相差甚大 甚至語音方面, 當初使用這種語文書寫的人, 根本沒聽過現在的 "國語" 這種語音! 改用其他各種語言, 台語, 客語, 粵語來比較, 也是相同 那麼面對這樣各方各面都有很大差異的兩種語言 你怎麼會覺得只是 "學校教的" 跟 "書面口語" 的差別而已?題外話, 很多人就是這點弄不清楚 我每每看到文章在批評文言文比例要變少, 都會放一招大絕招 "美國人還不是會教英國人莎士比亞的文學, 他們有這樣 '去英國化' 嗎? 啊? 啊?" 這就是只用政治的頭腦在思考事情, 才會以為這僅只是國籍的差別 而沒有看到語言的差別 事實上, 莎士比亞創作的時候使用的語言是 Early Modern English 注意它的名字喔, 它還是算在 Modern English (也就是現今的英語) 裡面 也就是說, 它跟現在的英語, 還是同一種語言, 只不過是較早期的形式 然而, 現在美國人讀莎士比亞的作品, 難道都是去讀莎士比亞寫出來的初稿形式嗎? 不是喔, 很多人現在接觸到的都是後來又轉寫過的現代英語 就算是唸到國中, 也未必會唸到莎士比亞當初寫文章的那種形式 那麼面對差異大到已經是兩種語言的 "文言文" 以及 "國語" 何以我們學習這種 "外語" 一定就是天經地義, 理所當然? 所以我每每見到這種大絕招, 就覺得這招也太弱了一點 好像洛克人集完氣以為穩贏了, 結果放出來居然是小粒子彈一樣言歸正傳. Capko99 大大他說, "台語" 跟 "文言文" 兩種語文的不同 跟我上面所想闡述的, 有類似之處 不過我想請教你, 這樣的說法, 有絲毫毀棄台語跟古音的聯繫嗎? 我提出英文有現代英文, 中古英文, 是有試圖把它們切分的意思嗎? 沒有吧. 我提出它們已經不是同一種語言, 但是並沒有否定他們之間的關連啊 確實, 台語有其古老與古典之處, 但是這並不代表 "台語" = "文言文" 而指出它們是不同的兩種語言, 也沒有否定它的藝術價值, 以及押韻的問題 我想你多慮了推 Capko99:同意nakadachi 文言文與口語的差異和美國口語和學校英語 05/01 21:57 → Capko99:兩組裡面彼此間的關係是不同的 05/01 21:58 → Capko99:閩南語嚴格來說是沒有文字可以"還原"的 這是本質上的問題 05/01 21:59 → AngiHuang:謝謝bluetee 跟nakadachi 05/02 10:32 → AngiHuang:對於Gapko99的言論有點不滿~ 台語有很多古音是藝術很高 05/02 10:33 → AngiHuang:的語言 還有壓韻 05/02 10:34 → AngiHuang:期盼Gapko99多作研究再參加討論 謝謝~ 05/02 10:35也就因為上述種種, 我實在搞不太懂你在不滿什麼 我反而看完你的推文, 感到很不滿 首先, 你的標題是來 "[請教]" 的 既然如此, 我弄不懂你要憑哪一點請人家多研究一點再來 那你怎麼會來 "請教" 而沒有先 "多研究一點再來" 呢? 再來, 你如果真的不同意別人的看法 你可以提出, 對方的看法哪一點跟哪一點你覺得不對, 或者基礎觀念就怎樣不對 而你覺得其實應該是怎樣怎樣才對, 這樣才叫做討論 不是叫人家去多唸點書再來 第三, 就算你真的只習慣叫人家多唸書好了 那也請你先確認你講的是對的而對方是錯的, 而且你們在講的是同一件事情 最後, 人家的 ID 是 C 開頭, 不是 G…
Re: Re: [tgb] 文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
From: Phokgoân Chio̍h
Date: 2008-05-02 18:26:29
Jason, Hah hah! Si ah. Lan ui Middle English laite iau si etang ioh echhut chinchoe pouhun si siannmih isu. Pilun flour = flower, þ = th, soui þe = the, tengteng. Soui goa chiah kong, kiongtiau 2 chiong gibun ikeng msi kangchit chiong, peng bo taipiau beh paitu in housiong e koanhe. Lenggoa lan ma etang khoanntioh 2 tiam. Teit tiam, goakok lang (kap ine Gibun Hak-hoe) teh khoann ine mihkiann kap lane mihkiann, piauchun si bo-kang e. Ine Middle English kap Modern English anne toh etang sng 2 chiong bokang gibun, lan chiae Taibun, Hakkavun, "Kongtongfa", Mandarin, long iaukoh hou in pian ti "Chinese" ekha. Susit siong, chiae chinchoe gigian, nachhiunn Taibun kap Mandarin e chhapiat, simchi kholeng pi Espan̍ol kap Italiano e chhapiat kohkhah toa. Mkoh, Espan̍ol kap Italiano ma bo long pian ti "Latin" ekha. Che kap suiong chiae gibun e lang e chengti teui chin ukoan. Teji tiam, lan ma etang sukho -- suijian goakok lang kholeng khoann u tampoh-a Middle English, mkoh in boe "gouhoe" Middle English tohsi in suiong e Modern English; ma boe "gouhoe" in mbian haksip toh etang thak kap sia Middle English; kohkhah boe gouhoe hak-hau toh itteng ai ka3 Middle English chiah eengtit. Kisit li nasi ka chiae English gisu long khoanncho 1e 1e Hanji, li e hoatkak chinchoe longsi sio-koa "pianheng" nia. Toh chhinchhiunn þ = th, soui þe = the, breeþ = breath. Hanji masi siosiang, koucha e ji kap lan chitma e ji, kap China e "Kanhoa Ji", kap Jitbun Hanji, long u pianheng, ionghoat ma boitteng kangkhoan. Mkoh tianntiann chitkoa chichhi Hanji e lang soah long ahchun, "Goa khoann u Hanji toh etang liaukai Jitbun, tongjian, Taibun ma engkai anne khi sia, chiah chengkhak." Mchaiiann Hanji nae choseng takke tui gigian chiah bo liaukai, gouhoe chiah chhim.Phokgoan, Gougoeh c2, 20082008/5/2 Jason Cox :
Phokgoan hiann, li ho,
我對你的文章很有興趣，看了覺得很有道哩，我想跟你說以下，那篇中古英文 (Middle English) 詩裡面地生詞，我似乎都看得懂。拼音法當然不一樣，但是大部分的字跟現代的沒什麼差異。中古英文跟現代英文的關係，與文言文、中文、台語之間的關係，還有所差。
謝謝你分享這個文章!
Jason
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: 文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
From: Lau Seng-hian
Date: 2008-05-04 22:48:29
Phokgoân,
寫 kah 真好，內容 put-tsí-á phong-phài，讀了 ke 學真 tsē mi̍h-kiānn ^___^
Tsing-tsha m̄ 知，hit-ê 人 tsìn 前是 m̄ 是 khuì-kháu 真 bái，因為你 ê 回應 ká-ná mā 無足客氣 XD
2008/5/2 Phokgoân Chio̍h :
Jason,
Hah hah! Si ah. Lan ui Middle English laite iau si etang ioh echhut
chinchoe pouhun si siannmih isu. Pilun flour = flower, þ = th, soui þe
= the, tengteng. Soui goa chiah kong, kiongtiau 2 chiong gibun ikeng
msi kangchit chiong, peng bo taipiau beh paitu in housiong e koanhe.
Lenggoa lan ma etang khoanntioh 2 tiam. Teit tiam, goakok lang (kap
ine Gibun Hak-hoe) teh khoann ine mihkiann kap lane mihkiann, piauchun
si bo-kang e. Ine Middle English kap Modern English anne toh etang sng
2 chiong bokang gibun, lan chiae Taibun, Hakkavun, "Kongtongfa",
Mandarin, long iaukoh hou in pian ti "Chinese" ekha. Susit siong,
chiae chinchoe gigian, nachhiunn Taibun kap Mandarin e chhapiat,
simchi kholeng pi Espan̍ol kap Italiano e chhapiat kohkhah toa. Mkoh,
Espan̍ol kap Italiano ma bo long pian ti "Latin" ekha. Che kap suiong
chiae gibun e lang e chengti teui chin ukoan.
Teji tiam, lan ma etang sukho -- suijian goakok lang kholeng khoann
u tampoh-a Middle English, mkoh in boe "gouhoe" Middle English tohsi
in suiong e Modern English; ma boe "gouhoe" in mbian haksip toh etang
thak kap sia Middle English; kohkhah boe gouhoe hak-hau toh itteng ai
ka3 Middle English chiah eengtit. Kisit li nasi ka chiae English gisu
long khoanncho 1e 1e Hanji, li e hoatkak chinchoe longsi sio-koa
"pianheng" nia. Toh chhinchhiunn þ = th, soui þe = the, breeþ =
breath. Hanji masi siosiang, koucha e ji kap lan chitma e ji, kap
China e "Kanhoa Ji", kap Jitbun Hanji, long u pianheng, ionghoat ma
boitteng kangkhoan. Mkoh tianntiann chitkoa chichhi Hanji e lang soah
long ahchun, "Goa khoann u Hanji toh etang liaukai Jitbun, tongjian,
Taibun ma engkai anne khi sia, chiah chengkhak." Mchaiiann Hanji nae
choseng takke tui gigian chiah bo liaukai, gouhoe chiah chhim.
Phokgoan,
Gougoeh c2, 2008
2008/5/2 Jason Cox :
Phokgoan hiann, li ho,
我對你的文章很有興趣，看了覺得很有道哩，我想跟你說以下，那篇中古英文 (Middle English)
詩裡面地生詞，我似乎都看得懂。拼音法當然不一樣，但是大部分的字跟現代的沒什麼差異。中古英文跟現代英文的關係，與文言文、中文、台語之間的關係，還有所差。
謝謝你分享這個文章!
Jason
-- Lau, Seng-hian
～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: 文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
From: Phokgoân Chio̍h
Date: 2008-05-05 13:10:57
aThinn li ho, Li konge bomtioh. Tosia lie kaisoe :) Goa hite sichun si kanna beh kiongtiau gibun e chhapiat, bo kong kohkhah chhengchho. Nasi goa beh chengli chitphinn bunchiunn e ka che koh chengli jipkhi ^^"Phokgoan, Gougoeh c5, 20082008/5/3 天 :
Kipun-siong tong'i takge soo kong e. M koh goa jin'ui enggi chham kootian latina bun tiongkan e koanhe chiah chhanchhiunn holo oe kah thoanthong han'gi e koanhe. Chin che gisu ui hia chioh--lai e. Hiantai enggi kah tiongkoo enggi e koanhe to chhanchhiunn hiantai holo oe kah tiongkoo banlam gi e koanhe. Ah tiongkoo banlam gi kah thoanthong han'gi e koanhe to chahnchhiunn tiongkoo enggi kah kootian latina bun e koanhe.
aThinn
2008/5/2 Phokgoân Chio̍h :
Jason,
Hah hah! Si ah. Lan ui Middle English laite iau si etang ioh echhut chinchoe pouhun si siannmih isu. Pilun flour = flower, þ = th, soui þe = the, tengteng. Soui goa chiah kong, kiongtiau 2 chiong gibun ikeng msi kangchit chiong, peng bo taipiau beh paitu in housiong e koanhe.
Lenggoa lan ma etang khoanntioh 2 tiam. Teit tiam, goakok lang (kap ine Gibun Hak-hoe) teh khoann ine mihkiann kap lane mihkiann, piauchun si bo-kang e. Ine Middle English kap Modern English anne toh etang sng 2 chiong bokang gibun, lan chiae Taibun, Hakkavun, "Kongtongfa", Mandarin, long iaukoh hou in pian ti "Chinese" ekha. Susit siong, chiae chinchoe gigian, nachhiunn Taibun kap Mandarin e chhapiat, simchi kholeng pi Espan̍ol kap Italiano e chhapiat kohkhah toa. Mkoh, Espan̍ol kap Italiano ma bo long pian ti "Latin" ekha. Che kap suiong chiae gibun e lang e chengti teui chin ukoan.
Teji tiam, lan ma etang sukho -- suijian goakok lang kholeng khoann u tampoh-a Middle English, mkoh in boe "gouhoe" Middle English tohsi in suiong e Modern English; ma boe "gouhoe" in mbian haksip toh etang thak kap sia Middle English; kohkhah boe gouhoe hak-hau toh itteng ai ka3 Middle English chiah eengtit. Kisit li nasi ka chiae English gisu long khoanncho 1e 1e Hanji, li e hoatkak chinchoe longsi sio-koa "pianheng" nia. Toh chhinchhiunn þ = th, soui þe = the, breeþ = breath. Hanji masi siosiang, koucha e ji kap lan chitma e ji, kap China e "Kanhoa Ji", kap Jitbun Hanji, long u pianheng, ionghoat ma boitteng kangkhoan. Mkoh tianntiann chitkoa chichhi Hanji e lang soah long ahchun, "Goa khoann u Hanji toh etang liaukai Jitbun, tongjian, Taibun ma engkai anne khi sia, chiah chengkhak." Mchaiiann Hanji nae choseng takke tui gigian chiah bo liaukai, gouhoe chiah chhim.
Phokgoan, Gougoeh c2, 2008
2008/5/2 Jason Cox :
Phokgoan hiann, li ho,
我對你的文章很有興趣，看了覺得很有道哩，我想跟你說以下，那篇中古英文 (Middle English)
詩裡面地生詞，我似乎都看得懂。拼音法當然不一樣，但是大部分的字跟現代的沒什麼差異。中古英文跟現代英文的關係，與文言文、中文、台語之間的關係，還有所差。
謝謝你分享這個文章!
Jason
-- 天
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: 文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
From: Phokgoân Chio̍h
Date: 2008-05-05 13:40:19
Voyu, Tosia lie olo :D Hite lang, lausit kong khilai msi phainnlang. Goa khoann i kithann-e hoatgian, khoann khilai, i si 1e ti haigoa e Taioanlang, ti haigoa chiapsiutioh bokang bunhoa e chhikek, soah khaisi lai sukho Taioan bunhoa si siannmih. I toh siunntioh Taigi bengbeng icha long u Hanoha, laite long ka li anchoann iong Taigi e bunim lai thak bunchiunn. Taigi bengbeng tohsi chin koutian e gibun. Lan engkai anne lai chhuisak, piauhian lan kap Chinabun si bokange. I anne siunn, lausit kong, goa jinui, 1e lang ti haigoa, khaisi siunn kati kap patlang e bunhoa u siannmih bokang; khaisi siunn panhoat khi kaisoe. Che goanlai si chin ho e taichi. Mkoh i bintui u lenggoa 1 ui pengiu ka i hoetap, kongtioh Taigi punte toh kap Chinagi bokang, ma u chitkoa gisu punte si bo Hanji. I toh chin bo khehkhi. Kio lang "ke thak koa2 chheh chiah lai tholun." Soui goa chiah e hoat anne e bunchiunn. Siunnbeh kaisoe -- 1. Taigi kap Mandarin kap "Bungian", gigian punsin toh ikeng bokang. Bo suiau iong thakchheh im bokang lai chengbeng. 2. Gun anne kong ma bo taipiau gun bo jimtong Taigi e koutian kap iunga. 3. Lai tholun, thianntioh patlang hoatpiau li bo liaukai e luntiam, tha etang toh kio lang "tngkhi ke thak koa chheh" leh? Suijian ie bokphiau msi goa, mkoh goa jinui anne thaitou chin bai. Anne goa e7 jinui bolun ie siunnhoat goa chengkhak, i chitchiong tholun hongsek long chin sitpai… Taichi tohsi anne ^^""Phokgoan, Gougoeh c5, 20082008/5/4 Lau Seng-hian :
Phokgoân,
寫 kah 真好，內容 put-tsí-á phong-phài，讀了 ke 學真 tsē mi̍h-kiānn ^___^
Tsing-tsha m̄ 知，hit-ê 人 tsìn 前是 m̄ 是 khuì-kháu 真 bái，因為你 ê 回應 ká-ná mā 無足客氣 XD
2008/5/2 Phokgoân Chio̍h :
Jason,
Hah hah! Si ah. Lan ui Middle English laite iau si etang ioh echhut chinchoe pouhun si siannmih isu. Pilun flour = flower, þ = th, soui þe = the, tengteng. Soui goa chiah kong, kiongtiau 2 chiong gibun ikeng msi kangchit chiong, peng bo taipiau beh paitu in housiong e koanhe.
Lenggoa lan ma etang khoanntioh 2 tiam. Teit tiam, goakok lang (kap ine Gibun Hak-hoe) teh khoann ine mihkiann kap lane mihkiann, piauchun si bo-kang e. Ine Middle English kap Modern English anne toh etang sng 2 chiong bokang gibun, lan chiae Taibun, Hakkavun, "Kongtongfa", Mandarin, long iaukoh hou in pian ti "Chinese" ekha. Susit siong, chiae chinchoe gigian, nachhiunn Taibun kap Mandarin e chhapiat, simchi kholeng pi Espan̍ol kap Italiano e chhapiat kohkhah toa. Mkoh, Espan̍ol kap Italiano ma bo long pian ti "Latin" ekha. Che kap suiong chiae gibun e lang e chengti teui chin ukoan.
Teji tiam, lan ma etang sukho -- suijian goakok lang kholeng khoann u tampoh-a Middle English, mkoh in boe "gouhoe" Middle English tohsi in suiong e Modern English; ma boe "gouhoe" in mbian haksip toh etang thak kap sia Middle English; kohkhah boe gouhoe hak-hau toh itteng ai ka3 Middle English chiah eengtit. Kisit li nasi ka chiae English gisu long khoanncho 1e 1e Hanji, li e hoatkak chinchoe longsi sio-koa "pianheng" nia. Toh chhinchhiunn þ = th, soui þe = the, breeþ = breath. Hanji masi siosiang, koucha e ji kap lan chitma e ji, kap China e "Kanhoa Ji", kap Jitbun Hanji, long u pianheng, ionghoat ma boitteng kangkhoan. Mkoh tianntiann chitkoa chichhi Hanji e lang soah long ahchun, "Goa khoann u Hanji toh etang liaukai Jitbun, tongjian, Taibun ma engkai anne khi sia, chiah chengkhak." Mchaiiann Hanji nae choseng takke tui gigian chiah bo liaukai, gouhoe chiah chhim.
Phokgoan, Gougoeh c2, 2008
2008/5/2 Jason Cox :
Phokgoan hiann, li ho,
我對你的文章很有興趣，看了覺得很有道哩，我想跟你說以下，那篇中古英文 (Middle English)
詩裡面地生詞，我似乎都看得懂。拼音法當然不一樣，但是大部分的字跟現代的沒什麼差異。中古英文跟現代英文的關係，與文言文、中文、台語之間的關係，還有所差。
謝謝你分享這個文章!
Jason
-- Lau, Seng-hian
～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: 文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
From: Lim
Date: 2008-05-05 20:42:12
Phok-goan hiaN, Jason Cox engkai si Tai-tiong Lim Siau-liong. Hai2-tai5-hoe7(海台會) khai----- Original Message ----- 寄件者: "Phokgoân Chio̍h" 收件者: "Lau Seng-hian" 副本: "台語網" 傳送日期: 2008年5月5日 下午 01:40 主旨: [tgb] Re: 文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
Voyu,
Tosia lie olo :D
Hite lang, lausit kong khilai msi phainnlang. Goa khoann i kithann-e hoatgian, khoann khilai, i si 1e ti haigoa e Taioanlang, ti haigoa chiapsiutioh bokang bunhoa e chhikek, soah khaisi lai sukho Taioan bunhoa si siannmih.
I toh siunntioh Taigi bengbeng icha long u Hanoha, laite long ka li anchoann iong Taigi e bunim lai thak bunchiunn. Taigi bengbeng tohsi chin koutian e gibun. Lan engkai anne lai chhuisak, piauhian lan kap Chinabun si bokange.
I anne siunn, lausit kong, goa jinui, 1e lang ti haigoa, khaisi siunn kati kap patlang e bunhoa u siannmih bokang; khaisi siunn panhoat khi kaisoe. Che goanlai si chin ho e taichi. Mkoh i bintui u lenggoa 1 ui pengiu ka i hoetap, kongtioh Taigi punte toh kap Chinagi bokang, ma u chitkoa gisu punte si bo Hanji. I toh chin bo khehkhi. Kio lang "ke thak koa2 chheh chiah lai tholun."
Soui goa chiah e hoat anne e bunchiunn. Siunnbeh kaisoe -- 1. Taigi kap Mandarin kap "Bungian", gigian punsin toh ikeng bokang. Bo suiau iong thakchheh im bokang lai chengbeng. 2. Gun anne kong ma bo taipiau gun bo jimtong Taigi e koutian kap iunga. 3. Lai tholun, thianntioh patlang hoatpiau li bo liaukai e luntiam, tha etang toh kio lang "tngkhi ke thak koa chheh" leh? Suijian ie bokphiau msi goa, mkoh goa jinui anne thaitou chin bai. Anne goa e7 jinui bolun ie siunnhoat goa chengkhak, i chitchiong tholun hongsek long chin sitpai…
Taichi tohsi anne ^^""
Phokgoan, Gougoeh c5, 2008
2008/5/4 Lau Seng-hian :
Phokgoân,
寫 kah 真好，內容 put-tsí-á phong-phài，讀了 ke 學真 tsē mi̍h-kiānn ^___^
Tsing-tsha m̄ 知，hit-ê 人 tsìn 前是 m̄ 是 khuì-kháu 真 bái，因為你 ê 回應
ká-ná mā 無足客氣 XD
2008/5/2 Phokgoân Chio̍h :
Jason,
Hah hah! Si ah. Lan ui Middle English laite iau si etang ioh echhut chinchoe pouhun si siannmih isu. Pilun flour = flower, þ = th, soui þe = the, tengteng. Soui goa chiah kong, kiongtiau 2 chiong gibun ikeng msi kangchit chiong, peng bo taipiau beh paitu in housiong e koanhe.
Lenggoa lan ma etang khoanntioh 2 tiam. Teit tiam, goakok lang (kap ine Gibun Hak-hoe) teh khoann ine mihkiann kap lane mihkiann, piauchun si bo-kang e. Ine Middle English kap Modern English anne toh etang sng 2 chiong bokang gibun, lan chiae Taibun, Hakkavun, "Kongtongfa", Mandarin, long iaukoh hou in pian ti "Chinese" ekha. Susit siong, chiae chinchoe gigian, nachhiunn Taibun kap Mandarin e chhapiat, simchi kholeng pi Espan̍ol kap Italiano e chhapiat kohkhah toa. Mkoh, Espan̍ol kap Italiano ma bo long pian ti "Latin" ekha. Che kap suiong chiae gibun e lang e chengti teui chin ukoan.
Teji tiam, lan ma etang sukho -- suijian goakok lang kholeng khoann u tampoh-a Middle English, mkoh in boe "gouhoe" Middle English tohsi in suiong e Modern English; ma boe "gouhoe" in mbian haksip toh etang thak kap sia Middle English; kohkhah boe gouhoe hak-hau toh itteng ai ka3 Middle English chiah eengtit. Kisit li nasi ka chiae English gisu long khoanncho 1e 1e Hanji, li e hoatkak chinchoe longsi sio-koa "pianheng" nia. Toh chhinchhiunn þ = th, soui þe = the, breeþ = breath. Hanji masi siosiang, koucha e ji kap lan chitma e ji, kap China e "Kanhoa Ji", kap Jitbun Hanji, long u pianheng, ionghoat ma boitteng kangkhoan. Mkoh tianntiann chitkoa chichhi Hanji e lang soah long ahchun, "Goa khoann u Hanji toh etang liaukai Jitbun, tongjian, Taibun ma engkai anne khi sia, chiah chengkhak." Mchaiiann Hanji nae choseng takke tui gigian chiah bo liaukai, gouhoe chiah chhim.
Phokgoan, Gougoeh c2, 2008
2008/5/2 Jason Cox :
Phokgoan hiann, li ho,
我對你的文章很有興趣，看了覺得很有道哩，我想跟你說以下，那篇中古英文 (Middle English)
詩裡面地生詞，我似乎都看得懂。拼音法當然不一樣，但是大部分的字跟現代的沒什麼差異。中古英文跟現代英文的關係，與文言文、中文、台語之間的關係，還有所差。
謝謝你分享這個文章!
Jason
-- Lau, Seng-hian
～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～
Re: {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} [tgb] Re: 文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
From: Iunn Un-gian
Date: 2008-05-05 21:18:17
Khai--ko :
Jason Cox si 孔傑森, engkai msi Lim siauliong :)
Chu epou ikeng kia chhutkhi a.
Ungian 5.5
On Mon, 5 May 2008 20:42:12 +0800, Lim
wrote
Phok-goan hiaN,
Jason Cox engkai si Tai-tiong Lim Siau-liong.
Hai2-tai5-hoe7(海台會)
khai
----- Original Message -----
寄件者: [UTF-8?]"Phokgo璽n [UTF-8?]Chio多"
收件者: "Lau Seng-hian"
副本: "台語網"
傳送日期: 2008年5月5日 下午 01:40
主旨: [tgb] Re: 文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
Voyu,
Tosia lie olo :D
Hite lang, lausit kong khilai msi phainnlang. Goa khoann i
kithann-e hoatgian, khoann khilai, i si 1e ti haigoa e Taioanlang, ti
haigoa chiapsiutioh bokang bunhoa e chhikek, soah khaisi lai sukho
Taioan bunhoa si siannmih.
I toh siunntioh Taigi bengbeng icha long u Hanoha, laite long ka li
anchoann iong Taigi e bunim lai thak bunchiunn. Taigi bengbeng tohsi
chin koutian e gibun. Lan engkai anne lai chhuisak, piauhian lan kap
Chinabun si bokange.
I anne siunn, lausit kong, goa jinui, 1e lang ti haigoa, khaisi
siunn kati kap patlang e bunhoa u siannmih bokang; khaisi siunn
panhoat khi kaisoe. Che goanlai si chin ho e taichi. Mkoh i bintui u
lenggoa 1 ui pengiu ka i hoetap, kongtioh Taigi punte toh kap Chinagi
bokang, ma u chitkoa gisu punte si bo Hanji. I toh chin bo khehkhi.
Kio lang "ke thak koa2 chheh chiah lai tholun."
Soui goa chiah e hoat anne e bunchiunn. Siunnbeh kaisoe -- 1. Taigi
kap Mandarin kap "Bungian", gigian punsin toh ikeng bokang. Bo suiau
iong thakchheh im bokang lai chengbeng. 2. Gun anne kong ma bo taipiau
gun bo jimtong Taigi e koutian kap iunga. 3. Lai tholun, thianntioh
patlang hoatpiau li bo liaukai e luntiam, tha etang toh kio lang
"tngkhi ke thak koa chheh" leh? Suijian ie bokphiau msi goa, mkoh goa
jinui anne thaitou chin bai. Anne goa e7 jinui bolun ie siunnhoat goa
chengkhak, i chitchiong tholun hongsek long chin sitpai…
Taichi tohsi anne ^^""
Phokgoan,
Gougoeh c5, 2008
2008/5/4 Lau Seng-hian :
[UTF-8?]Phokgo璽n,
寫 kah 真好，內容 [UTF-8?]put-ts穩-獺 [UTF-8?]phong-ph�i嚗繮�鈭� ke 學真
[UTF-8?]ts� [UTF-8?]mi多-ki要n ^___^
Tsing-tsha [UTF-8?]m� [UTF-8?]�伐�h�ht-礙 人 [UTF-8?]ts穫n 前是 [UTF-8?]m�
是 [UTF-8?]khu穫-kh獺u 真 [UTF-8?]b獺i嚗鉴��箔� [UTF-8?]礙 回應
[UTF-8?]k獺-n獺 [UTF-8?]m� 無足客氣 XD
2008/5/2 [UTF-8?]Phokgo璽n [UTF-8?]Chio多 :
Jason,
Hah hah! Si ah. Lan ui Middle English laite iau si etang ioh echhut
chinchoe pouhun si siannmih isu. Pilun flour = flower, [UTF-8?]臘 = th,
soui [UTF-8?]臘e
= the, tengteng. Soui goa chiah kong, kiongtiau 2 chiong gibun ikeng
msi kangchit chiong, peng bo taipiau beh paitu in housiong e koanhe.
Lenggoa lan ma etang khoanntioh 2 tiam. Teit tiam, goakok lang (kap
ine Gibun Hak-hoe) teh khoann ine mihkiann kap lane mihkiann, piauchun
si bo-kang e. Ine Middle English kap Modern English anne toh etang sng
2 chiong bokang gibun, lan chiae Taibun, Hakkavun, "Kongtongfa",
Mandarin, long iaukoh hou in pian ti "Chinese" ekha. Susit siong,
chiae chinchoe gigian, nachhiunn Taibun kap Mandarin e chhapiat,
simchi kholeng pi [UTF-8?]Espa簽ol kap Italiano e chhapiat kohkhah toa.
Mkoh,
[UTF-8?]Espa簽ol kap Italiano ma bo long pian ti "Latin" ekha. Che kap
suiong
chiae gibun e lang e chengti teui chin ukoan.
Teji tiam, lan ma etang sukho -- suijian goakok lang kholeng khoann
u tampoh-a Middle English, mkoh in boe "gouhoe" Middle English tohsi
in suiong e Modern English; ma boe "gouhoe" in mbian haksip toh etang
thak kap sia Middle English; kohkhah boe gouhoe hak-hau toh itteng ai
ka3 Middle English chiah eengtit. Kisit li nasi ka chiae English gisu
long khoanncho 1e 1e Hanji, li e hoatkak chinchoe longsi sio-koa
"pianheng" nia. Toh chhinchhiunn [UTF-8?]臘 = th, soui [UTF-8?]臘e =
the, [UTF-8?]bree臘
breath. Hanji masi siosiang, koucha e ji kap lan chitma e ji, kap
China e "Kanhoa Ji", kap Jitbun Hanji, long u pianheng, ionghoat ma
boitteng kangkhoan. Mkoh tianntiann chitkoa chichhi Hanji e lang soah
long ahchun, "Goa khoann u Hanji toh etang liaukai Jitbun, tongjian,
Taibun ma engkai anne khi sia, chiah chengkhak." Mchaiiann Hanji nae
choseng takke tui gigian chiah bo liaukai, gouhoe chiah chhim.
Phokgoan,
Gougoeh c2, 2008
2008/5/2 Jason Cox :
Phokgoan hiann, li ho,
我對你的文章很有興趣，看了覺得很有道哩，我想跟你說以下，那篇中古英文
(Middle English)
詩裡面地生詞，我似乎都看得懂。拼音法當然不一樣，但是大部分的字跟現代的沒
什麼差異。中古英文跟現代英文的關係，與文言文、中文、台語之間的關係，還有所差。
謝謝你分享這個文章!
Jason
--
Lau, Seng-hian
[UTF-8?]嚚靁访 koh 在定，ma [UTF-8?]�⊥粐憭綨�嚚�
--
IuN Un-gian 楊允言
Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授
Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: 文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
From: SAKAI Toru
Date: 2008-05-06 15:39:30
Jason e konghoat bo-m-tioh.Kisit goa ma bat oh-koe Old English kap Middle English, tansi chhinchhiuN Jaso n sou kong e, Middle English kap Modern English e chhaku bo chhiuN Koutian Ha nbun kap Hiantai Tiongbun hiah toa, iukisi tui English native e lang lai kong, touapouhun khoaN-u, ma be-sai kong si "oanchoan bo kang 2 chiong gigian".tongjian piaubin siong khoaN--khilai, kohkhah kong si bo koansi Middle English e lang lai kong, Middle English "na-chhiuN" kap Modern bo saNkang e goukai, t ansi kisit Geoffrey Chaucer e gigian tui hiantai Enggi-lang lai kong si khoaN bo saN bunte. Middle English e sitai kap teli e hoan-ui punsin ma chiok khoah, sou-i bunte t ioh kansiap-tioh "to 1-e sitai e honggian" kap Modern si khah u chengchhha, k hoaN khah khunlan.tansi, Middle English ma hoaNtit si Norman conquest i-au Hoatgi e senghun lau- jip-lai Enggi laite i-au e sitai e Enggi.Eng-gi e leksu laite, siong toa e hunkai ti Old kap Middle e tiongkan, peng ms i Middle kap Modern e tiongkan.Old English kap chitma e English si oanchoan bokang, tansi Middle English msi oanchoan bokang.Old English e "Chu e kito", oanchoan khoaN bo. http://everything2.com/e2node/The%2520Lord%2527s%2520Prayer%253A%2520Old%2520E nglishMiddle English e "Chu e kito" ahkoh sng si khoaN u. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=The%20Lord's%20Prayer%3A%20Middle%20Engli shli chhinchhiuN mbat ohkoe Old kap Middle English e khoan.Sakai
----- Original Message -----
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 18:26:29 +0800 From: "Phokgo?n Chio?h" To: "Jason Cox" , "Google TGB" Subject: [tgb] Re: 文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
Jason,
Hah hah! Si ah. Lan ui Middle English laite iau si etang ioh echhut
chinchoe pouhun si siannmih isu. Pilun flour = flower, ? = th, soui ?e
= the, tengteng. Soui goa chiah kong, kiongtiau 2 chiong gibun ikeng msi kangchit chiong, peng bo taipiau beh paitu in housiong e koanhe.
Lenggoa lan ma etang khoanntioh 2 tiam. Teit tiam, goakok lang (kap ine Gibun Hak-hoe) teh khoann ine mihkiann kap lane mihkiann, piauchun si bo-kang e. Ine Middle English kap Modern English anne toh etang sng 2 chiong bokang gibun, lan chiae Taibun, Hakkavun, "Kongtongfa", Mandarin, long iaukoh hou in pian ti "Chinese" ekha. Susit siong, chiae chinchoe gigian, nachhiunn Taibun kap Mandarin e chhapiat,
simchi kholeng pi Espa?ol kap Italiano e chhapiat kohkhah toa. Mkoh, Espa?ol kap Italiano ma bo long pian ti "Latin" ekha. Che kap suiong
chiae gibun e lang e chengti teui chin ukoan.
Teji tiam, lan ma etang sukho -- suijian goakok lang kholeng khoann u tampoh-a Middle English, mkoh in boe "gouhoe" Middle English tohsi in suiong e Modern English; ma boe "gouhoe" in mbian haksip toh etang thak kap sia Middle English; kohkhah boe gouhoe hak-hau toh itteng ai ka3 Middle English chiah eengtit. Kisit li nasi ka chiae English gisu long khoanncho 1e 1e Hanji, li e hoatkak chinchoe longsi sio-koa
"pianheng" nia. Toh chhinchhiunn ? = th, soui ?e = the, bree? =
breath. Hanji masi siosiang, koucha e ji kap lan chitma e ji, kap China e "Kanhoa Ji", kap Jitbun Hanji, long u pianheng, ionghoat ma boitteng kangkhoan. Mkoh tianntiann chitkoa chichhi Hanji e lang soah long ahchun, "Goa khoann u Hanji toh etang liaukai Jitbun, tongjian, Taibun ma engkai anne khi sia, chiah chengkhak." Mchaiiann Hanji nae choseng takke tui gigian chiah bo liaukai, gouhoe chiah chhim.
Phokgoan, Gougoeh c2, 2008
2008/5/2 Jason Cox :
Phokgoan hiann, li ho,
我對?的文章很有興趣，看了覺得很有道哩，我想跟??以下，那篇中古英文 (Middle E nglish) 詩裡面地生詞，我似乎都看得?。?音法當然不一樣，但是大部分的字跟現代的沒什麼
差異。中古英文跟現代英文的關係，與文言文、中文、台語之間的關係，還有所差。
謝謝?分享這個文章!
Jason
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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: 文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
From: SAKAI Toru
Date: 2008-05-06 16:05:46
Phokgoan:
Hah hah! Si ah. Lan ui Middle English laite iau si etang ioh echhut
chinchoe pouhun si siannmih isu. Pilun flour = flower, ? = th, soui ?e
= the, tengteng. Soui goa chiah kong, kiongtiau 2 chiong gibun ikeng msi kangchit chiong, peng bo taipiau beh paitu in housiong e koanhe. flour tiohsi flower e isu si chin kantan ioh-e--chutlai, bo saN khunlan, "th" e 2-e ji masi hiantai Iceland-gi ma u teh iong, tui Auchiu-lang lai kong si si ongsek e bunte, ma bo saN khunlan.
Lenggoa lan ma etang khoanntioh 2 tiam. Teit tiam, goakok lang (kap ine Gibun Hak-hoe) teh khoann ine mihkiann kap lane mihkiann, piauchun si bo-kang e.
Enggi msi i e bogi e goakoklang, tiohsi Enggi e liaukai bo chhim nia !!
liaukai chin chhim e native speaker engkai si cho phiauchun, ti chia be-sai th
e-khi kong, bo saN liaukai Enggi e lang e phiauchun !bunte tiohsi Holo-oe e native, nachun kijian mbat ohkoe koutian Hanbun kap hia
ntai Tiongbun, longchong khoaN-bo ioh-be-chhutlai Hanbun kap Tiongbun, tansi
Middle English kap Modern English e koanhe choattui msi anne !!!
Ine Middle English kap Modern English anne toh etang sng 2 chiong bokang gibun,
msi bokang. nachun kong si native speaker, toapouhun khoaN-u. ti chia be-sai kong lin "1 koa Enggi msi bogi e goakoklan" e koantiam ! goakoklang chisi Enggi e liaukai chin chhian nia !!
lan chiae Taibun, Hakkavun, "Kongtongfa", Mandarin, long iaukoh hou in pian ti "Chinese" ekha.
che si chengti e bunte, msi gigian punsin e bunte.
Susit siong, chiae chinchoe gigian, nachhiunn Taibun kap Mandarin e chhapiat,
simchi kholeng pi Espa?ol kap Italiano e chhapiat kohkhah toa. Espanol kap Italiano e chhapiat peng bo toa, nng e native speaker housiong kon g-oe, khoaN bun, long bo bunte.tansi, Taibun kap Mandarin si oanchoan bo kangkhoan, li na mbat ohkoe, lian io h--e ma ioh-be--chhutlai. >Mkoh, Espa?ol kap Italiano ma bo long pian ti "Latin" ekha. che si gi-chok kap leksu iangoan e bunte. kap Taigi biankiong hou peng--jipikhi "Hangi-chok" e-kha e bunte, chhanchhu oa nchoan bo kangkhoan !!Taigi kap Tiongbun kuilui-cho "Hangi" e 1 pouhun, si in-ui chengti-siong "toa- Tionghoa susiong" sou-ti--e, msi gigian punsin e bunte.
Che kap suiong chiae gibun e lang e chengti teui chin ukoan.
mkoh li bo liaukai Enggi chincheng be-sai tholun Middle kap Modern English sim isi u chengchha.
Teji tiam, lan ma etang sukho -- suijian goakok lang kholeng khoann u tampoh-a Middle English, mkoh in boe "gouhoe" Middle English tohsi in suiong e Modern English; ma boe "gouhoe" in mbian haksip toh etang thak kap sia Middle English;
inui Enggi msi in e bogi !!
kohkhah boe gouhoe hak-hau toh itteng ai ka3 Middle English chiah eengtit.
li mai be-ki-tit, Middle English gi-hui bo-kau che, te-ui ma chin ke. hitchun Auchiu e phiauchungi tiohsi Latina.
Kisit li nasi ka chiae English gisu long khoanncho 1e 1e Hanji, li e hoatkak chinchoe longsi sio-koa
"pianheng" nia. Toh chhinchhiunn ? = th, soui ?e = the, bree? =
breath. Hanji masi siosiang, koucha e ji kap lan chitma e ji, kap China e "Kanhoa Ji", kap Jitbun Hanji, long u pianheng, ionghoat ma boitteng kangkhoan. Mkoh tianntiann chitkoa chichhi Hanji e lang soah long ahchun, "Goa khoann u Hanji toh etang liaukai Jitbun, tongjian, Taibun ma engkai anne khi sia, chiah chengkhak." Mchaiiann Hanji nae choseng takke tui gigian chiah bo liaukai, gouhoe chiah chhim.
li na anne kong, si annoa thekhi kong Middle English e le ? ti Middle English sitai e Engkok, Middle English bun e te-ui chin ke, tisek hu nchu long khoaNbekhi Middle English, tianto khoaN-koan Latina, chhinchhiuN chi tma e Taioanlang khoaNbekhi kaki e Taibun, khoaN-koan Tionbun ahsi Hanbun kang khoan !sou-i li thekhi kong Middle English e le, lai cho pikau Taibun kap Hanbun e ko anhe, si oanchoan chhogou, chhoe-m-tioh le, engkai thekhi kong si Latina e le !!Sakai
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Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 18:26:29 +0800 From: "Phokgo?n Chio?h" To: "Jason Cox" , "Google TGB" Subject: [tgb] Re: 文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
Jason,
Hah hah! Si ah. Lan ui Middle English laite iau si etang ioh echhut
chinchoe pouhun si siannmih isu. Pilun flour = flower, ? = th, soui ?e
= the, tengteng. Soui goa chiah kong, kiongtiau 2 chiong gibun ikeng msi kangchit chiong, peng bo taipiau beh paitu in housiong e koanhe.
Lenggoa lan ma etang khoanntioh 2 tiam. Teit tiam, goakok lang (kap ine Gibun Hak-hoe) teh khoann ine mihkiann kap lane mihkiann, piauchun si bo-kang e. Ine Middle English kap Modern English anne toh etang sng 2 chiong bokang gibun, lan chiae Taibun, Hakkavun, "Kongtongfa", Mandarin, long iaukoh hou in pian ti "Chinese" ekha. Susit siong, chiae chinchoe gigian, nachhiunn Taibun kap Mandarin e chhapiat,
simchi kholeng pi Espa?ol kap Italiano e chhapiat kohkhah toa. Mkoh, Espa?ol kap Italiano ma bo long pian ti "Latin" ekha. Che kap suiong
chiae gibun e lang e chengti teui chin ukoan.
Teji tiam, lan ma etang sukho -- suijian goakok lang kholeng khoann u tampoh-a Middle English, mkoh in boe "gouhoe" Middle English tohsi in suiong e Modern English; ma boe "gouhoe" in mbian haksip toh etang thak kap sia Middle English; kohkhah boe gouhoe hak-hau toh itteng ai ka3 Middle English chiah eengtit. Kisit li nasi ka chiae English gisu long khoanncho 1e 1e Hanji, li e hoatkak chinchoe longsi sio-koa
"pianheng" nia. Toh chhinchhiunn ? = th, soui ?e = the, bree? =
breath. Hanji masi siosiang, koucha e ji kap lan chitma e ji, kap China e "Kanhoa Ji", kap Jitbun Hanji, long u pianheng, ionghoat ma boitteng kangkhoan. Mkoh tianntiann chitkoa chichhi Hanji e lang soah long ahchun, "Goa khoann u Hanji toh etang liaukai Jitbun, tongjian, Taibun ma engkai anne khi sia, chiah chengkhak." Mchaiiann Hanji nae choseng takke tui gigian chiah bo liaukai, gouhoe chiah chhim.
Phokgoan, Gougoeh c2, 2008
2008/5/2 Jason Cox :
Phokgoan hiann, li ho,
我對?的文章很有興趣，看了覺得很有道哩，我想跟??以下，那篇中古英文 (Middle E nglish) 詩裡面地生詞，我似乎都看得?。?音法當然不一樣，但是大部分的字跟現代的沒什麼
差異。中古英文跟現代英文的關係，與文言文、中文、台語之間的關係，還有所差。
謝謝?分享這個文章!
Jason
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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: 文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
From: Phokgoân Chio̍h
Date: 2008-05-06 17:46:08
Sakai lausu li ho,
Chin phainnse, goa thautua kia e phoe, boekitit sunsoa kia hou Google Taigu Bang. Soui goa koh kia 1 pian.
Lenggoa ma beh sunsoa pouchhiong 1 tiam, tohsi goa si anchoann e lai ku tioh Middle English e chite le? Kisit goa goanlai bunchiunn u kongtioh -- si inui goa tianntiann khoanntioh banglou tengbin tholuntioh kiamchio "Bungian" e kauhak pile e sichun, hoantui e lang long e kong "Bikoklang ma iau e ka3 Shakespeare e bunchiunn. Si anchoann lan boetang ka3 Bungian." Goa chiah beh lai thechhinn -- Bikoklang ma peng msi titchiap theh Shakespeare chokphin e goanbun lai ka3 louh. Jichhiann Bungian bun kap Mandarin ahsi Taiwanese e chhapiat si kohkhah toa.
Goa si anchoann ku chiae le, kap chiae gouhoe, peng msi goa kati anne siunn, si inui goae bokphiau thokchia anne siunn. Che si goanlai e bunchiunn, mchaiiann lausu si msi bo khoanntioh? Ma hou lausu chhamkho :) http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/TW-language/M.1209717967.A.75A.html
Ekha e pouhun, toh kap chincheng hit tiunn phoe siokang.
Phokgoan, Gougoeh c6, 2008
=============================================
Sakai lausu li ho,
Khaksit si chhiunn li konge anne. Li konge pouhun kisit goa ma
jinui si tioh. Khaksit goa chu chitkhaisi kule toh mtioh louh!
Che punte si goa ti PTT cham tengbin khoanntioh 1 phinn bunchiunn
jinui Taigi = Hangi = Mandarin = Tiongbun = Bungianbun… Anne e
bunchiunn. Goa tohsi beh ka kong msi anne. Goa ku e le si Middle
English. Boea choan tah lai chia, chiah hou Jason kap aThinn
thechhinn, chanchhu si bokang. Soui goa toh kong, nachun koh beh
chengli cho 1 phinn bunchiunn, goa e kai iong Latin.
Soui goa khoanntioh Sakai lausu lie bunchiunn soah mchaiiann lausu
tansun si kong goa ku e le boho ahsi goa kuie siunnhoat si mtioh. Inui
chiu goa teh khoann lausu e bunchiunn e sichun soah e kamkak goa kap
lausu e siunnhoat siokang. Ahbo tohsi goa e piautat chhogou louh…
Chhinchhiunn kongtioh Middle English, goa si anchoann ai kong chiae "bugi msi Engbun e goakoklang e koantiam"? Si inui beh khoann goae bunchiunn e lang tohsi chiae lang ah! Chiae lang mna tui Engbun bo
liaukai, tui kati e gibun kohkhah bo liaukai. Soui goa toh kule hou in
khoann.
Lenggoa, lausu kong, Mandarin kap Taiwanese chiae gibun long hun ti
Hangi ekha, si chengti bunte, goa masi anne siunn.
Soui, ti goa goanlai e siunnhoat laibin, chute toh mbat jinui Middle kap Old English e koanhe, si kap Taibun kap "Bungian" siokang chanchhu. Anne goa si anchoann ku chite le? Si inui chuliau ho chhoe.
Goa beh tui goanlai e chiae thokchia konge si, "lian lin (ti boliaukai Middle English e chengheng chi-ha), khoann khilai chiah siosiang, jichhiann si khaksit u chhimchiann koanhe e 2 chiong gibun; in long ikeng msi sio-kang e gibun louh. Anne, teh bintui chute toh bokang e Taigi kap Chinagi, si msi in punte toh kohkhah si 2 chiong bo-kang gibun leh?" Goa beh ka chiae thokchia konge tohsi anne.
Tongjian, choan lai chia liauau, Jason kap aThinn thhechhinn goa
engkai iong Latin lai pikau, sitchai chin kamsia, aupai goa na beh
chengli, e tekpiat thhechhinn chit pouhun.
Soui chhiann Sakai lausu mai kiankoai. Goa tongi lausu konge. Peng msi goa kojin anne siunn. Anne si anchoann goa sia chiae loeiong? Si
inui goa jinui hiae bokphiau thokchia anne siunn. Susit siong, goa ti
tholunkhu tengbin siutioh e hoeeng masi chhaputto anne. Goa ku chiae in boliaukai jichhiann e gouhoe e le si beh ka in kong -- suijian lin e7 jinui si anne, mkoh sitche siong msi anne ouh! Mkoh msi goa kojin anne siunn. Kholeng goae piautat boho. Chin phainnse. Bintui chanchhu e bunte, goa aupai e7 kohkhah siongse chubeng.
Ma ai kamsia Sakai lausu thekiong pokui e ENM kap ANG e chuliau! :)
Phokgoan,
Gougoeh c6, 2008
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: 文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
From: SAKAI Toru
Date: 2008-05-06 18:39:45
Phokgoan:goanlai e bunchiuN, goa ma u khoaN-tioh, chiah kong--e lah !!mkoh goanlai e bunchiuN si kanna e-sai kong si "peh-chhi, gong, bo-ti, goa-han g" nia, lan peng bo su-iau toe3 in bu2, toe in e koantiam, le7 lai tholun !kantan kong, Middle English kap Tiongbun, ahsi Hanbun e chanchhu kap te-ui si oanchoan bokangkhoan, sou-i goanlai e bunchiuN e peh-chhi, thekhi kong Middle English lai ka7 Tiongbun, ahsi Hanbun pianhou, masi chit-e peh-chhi, kunpun to bo su-iau kang chhap !!lan e seNmia chin te2, sekai e 9 siaN 5 e kong-oe si7 peh-chhi-oe, li chiahni ke-kau peh-chhi si long-hui sikan ne !! (tongjian goa ma utangsi--a siuNbeh chhap peh-chhi--e, tansi boktek kanna si k a in lang7,khoe e nia. kunpun to bo su-iau jinchin lai tuithai in peh-chhi--e) sakai
----- Original Message -----
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:46:08 +0800 From: "Phokgo?n Chio?h" To: "SAKAI Toru" , "Google TGB" <
Subject: [tgb] Re: 文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
Sakai lausu li ho,
Chin phainnse, goa thautua kia e phoe, boekitit sunsoa kia hou Google Taigu Bang. Soui goa koh kia 1 pian.
Lenggoa ma beh sunsoa pouchhiong 1 tiam, tohsi goa si anchoann e lai ku tioh Middle English e chite le? Kisit goa goanlai bunchiunn u kongtioh -- si inui goa tianntiann khoanntioh banglou tengbin tholuntioh kiamchio "Bungian" e kauhak pile e sichun, hoantui e lang long e kong "Bikoklang ma iau e ka3 Shakespeare e bunchiunn. Si anchoann lan boetang ka3 Bungian." Goa chiah beh lai thechhinn -- Bikoklang ma peng msi titchiap theh Shakespeare chokphin e goanbun lai ka3 louh. Jichhiann Bungian bun kap Mandarin ahsi Taiwanese e chhapiat si kohkhah toa.
Goa si anchoann ku chiae le, kap chiae gouhoe, peng msi goa kati anne siunn, si inui goae bokphiau thokchia anne siunn.
Che si goanlai e bunchiunn, mchaiiann lausu si msi bo khoanntioh? Ma hou lausu chhamkho :) http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/TW-language/M.1209717967.A.75A.html
Ekha e pouhun, toh kap chincheng hit tiunn phoe siokang.
Phokgoan, Gougoeh c6, 2008
=============================================
Sakai lausu li ho,
Khaksit si chhiunn li konge anne. Li konge pouhun kisit goa ma jinui si tioh. Khaksit goa chu chitkhaisi kule toh mtioh louh!
Che punte si goa ti PTT cham tengbin khoanntioh 1 phinn bunchiunn jinui Taigi = Hangi = Mandarin = Tiongbun = Bungianbun… Anne e bunchiunn. Goa tohsi beh ka kong msi anne. Goa ku e le si Middle English. Boea choan tah lai chia, chiah hou Jason kap aThinn thechhinn, chanchhu si bokang. Soui goa toh kong, nachun koh beh chengli cho 1 phinn bunchiunn, goa e kai iong Latin.
Soui goa khoanntioh Sakai lausu lie bunchiunn soah mchaiiann lausu tansun si kong goa ku e le boho ahsi goa kuie siunnhoat si mtioh. Inui chiu goa teh khoann lausu e bunchiunn e sichun soah e kamkak goa kap lausu e siunnhoat siokang. Ahbo tohsi goa e piautat chhogou louh…
Chhinchhiunn kongtioh Middle English, goa si anchoann ai kong chiae "bugi msi Engbun e goakoklang e koantiam"? Si inui beh khoann goae bunchiunn e lang tohsi chiae lang ah! Chiae lang mna tui Engbun bo liaukai, tui kati e gibun kohkhah bo liaukai. Soui goa toh kule hou in khoann.
Lenggoa, lausu kong, Mandarin kap Taiwanese chiae gibun long hun ti Hangi ekha, si chengti bunte, goa masi anne siunn.
Soui, ti goa goanlai e siunnhoat laibin, chute toh mbat jinui Middle kap Old English e koanhe, si kap Taibun kap "Bungian" siokang chanchhu. Anne goa si anchoann ku chite le? Si inui chuliau ho chhoe.
Goa beh tui goanlai e chiae thokchia konge si, "lian lin (ti boliaukai Middle English e chengheng chi-ha), khoann khilai chiah siosiang, jichhiann si khaksit u chhimchiann koanhe e 2 chiong gibun; in long ikeng msi sio-kang e gibun louh. Anne, teh bintui chute toh bokang e Taigi kap Chinagi, si msi in punte toh kohkhah si 2 chiong bo-kang gibun leh?" Goa beh ka chiae thokchia konge tohsi anne.
Tongjian, choan lai chia liauau, Jason kap aThinn thhechhinn goa engkai iong Latin lai pikau, sitchai chin kamsia, aupai goa na beh chengli, e tekpiat thhechhinn chit pouhun.
Soui chhiann Sakai lausu mai kiankoai. Goa tongi lausu konge. Peng msi goa kojin anne siunn. Anne si anchoann goa sia chiae loeiong? Si inui goa jinui hiae bokphiau thokchia anne siunn. Susit siong, goa ti tholunkhu tengbin siutioh e hoeeng masi chhaputto anne. Goa ku chiae in boliaukai jichhiann e gouhoe e le si beh ka in kong -- suijian lin e7 jinui si anne, mkoh sitche siong msi anne ouh! Mkoh msi goa kojin anne siunn. Kholeng goae piautat boho. Chin phainnse. Bintui chanchhu e bunte, goa aupai e7 kohkhah siongse chubeng.
Ma ai kamsia Sakai lausu thekiong pokui e ENM kap ANG e chuliau! :)
Phokgoan, Gougoeh c6, 2008
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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: 文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
From: Phokgoân Chio̍h
Date: 2008-05-06 19:22:14
Sakai lausu,
Chin tosia li, goa liaukai ah :)
Mkoh, goa ahsi jinui, bintui boliaukai ahsi boti e lang, ahsi ai ka in ke kaisoe leh.
Goa punsin masi khoann BBS e tholuntin, chiah lai chiapchhiok Taibun e. Goa punte masi "pehchhi" neh :D Boea, goa chin u hengchhu, lai chiapchhiok tioh chinchoe chianpoe, thiann in kong e oe kap tholun, chiah piancho "tampoh-a khah bo hiah pehchhi". Chiu goae koanchhat lai kong, u 1chiong lang si i thiaukang beh lai loan; lenggoa 1chiong si, i sitchai mchaiiann li beh kong siannmih, ma msi bo goani lai liaukai.
Nachun si te-2 chiong, anne e lang, lan si msi ai ka chiae lang, kekiama kong chitea in e chhogou leh? Lan beh chhuisak 1kiann taichi e sichun, pilun bogi, itteng si ai hou lulailu choe lang lai liaukai lane siunnhoat e ah! Anne, si chengchhu lulailu choe lang jimtong, ma lai the3 lan kongoe. Anne, lane siannim, chiah e thoan kohkhah hng. Tongjian, si e7 chin thiam. Mkoh, si msi ai kekiam kap goani lai liaukai e sin lang (msi lai loan e hitchiong) tholun leh? Toh chhinchhiunn kokui chianpoe ittit ka goa chito siosiang, anne goa chiah e7 chinpou kohkhah kin, kam msi? :)
Phokgoan, Gougoeh c6, 2008
2008/5/6 SAKAI Toru :
Phokgoan:
goanlai e bunchiuN, goa ma u khoaN-tioh, chiah kong--e lah !!
mkoh goanlai e bunchiuN si kanna e-sai kong si "peh-chhi, gong, bo-ti, goa-han
g" nia, lan peng bo su-iau toe3 in bu2, toe in e koantiam, le7 lai tholun !
kantan kong, Middle English kap Tiongbun, ahsi Hanbun e chanchhu kap te-ui si
oanchoan bokangkhoan, sou-i goanlai e bunchiuN e peh-chhi, thekhi kong Middle
English lai ka7 Tiongbun, ahsi Hanbun pianhou, masi chit-e peh-chhi, kunpun to
bo su-iau kang chhap !!
lan e seNmia chin te2, sekai e 9 siaN 5 e kong-oe si7 peh-chhi-oe, li chiahni
ke-kau peh-chhi si long-hui sikan ne !!
(tongjian goa ma utangsi--a siuNbeh chhap peh-chhi--e, tansi boktek kanna si k
a in lang7,khoe e nia. kunpun to bo su-iau jinchin lai tuithai in peh-chhi--e)
sakai
----- Original Message -----
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:46:08 +0800
From: "Phokgo?n Chio?h"
To: "SAKAI Toru" , "Google TGB" <
Subject: [tgb] Re: 文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
Sakai lausu li ho,
Chin phainnse, goa thautua kia e phoe, boekitit sunsoa kia hou Google
Taigu Bang. Soui goa koh kia 1 pian.
Lenggoa ma beh sunsoa pouchhiong 1 tiam, tohsi goa si anchoann e lai ku
tioh Middle English e chite le? Kisit goa goanlai bunchiunn u kongtioh -- si
inui goa tianntiann khoanntioh banglou tengbin tholuntioh kiamchio "Bungian"
e kauhak pile e sichun, hoantui e lang long e kong "Bikoklang ma iau e ka3
Shakespeare e bunchiunn. Si anchoann lan boetang ka3 Bungian." Goa chiah beh
lai thechhinn -- Bikoklang ma peng msi titchiap theh Shakespeare chokphin e
goanbun lai ka3 louh. Jichhiann Bungian bun kap Mandarin ahsi Taiwanese e
chhapiat si kohkhah toa.
Goa si anchoann ku chiae le, kap chiae gouhoe, peng msi goa kati anne
siunn, si inui goae bokphiau thokchia anne siunn.
Che si goanlai e bunchiunn, mchaiiann lausu si msi bo khoanntioh? Ma hou
lausu chhamkho :) http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/TW-language/M.1209717967.A.75A.html
Ekha e pouhun, toh kap chincheng hit tiunn phoe siokang.
Phokgoan,
Gougoeh c6, 2008
=============================================
Sakai lausu li ho,
Khaksit si chhiunn li konge anne. Li konge pouhun kisit goa ma
jinui si tioh. Khaksit goa chu chitkhaisi kule toh mtioh louh!
Che punte si goa ti PTT cham tengbin khoanntioh 1 phinn bunchiunn
jinui Taigi = Hangi = Mandarin = Tiongbun = Bungianbun… Anne e
bunchiunn. Goa tohsi beh ka kong msi anne. Goa ku e le si Middle
English. Boea choan tah lai chia, chiah hou Jason kap aThinn
thechhinn, chanchhu si bokang. Soui goa toh kong, nachun koh beh
chengli cho 1 phinn bunchiunn, goa e kai iong Latin.
Soui goa khoanntioh Sakai lausu lie bunchiunn soah mchaiiann lausu
tansun si kong goa ku e le boho ahsi goa kuie siunnhoat si mtioh. Inui
chiu goa teh khoann lausu e bunchiunn e sichun soah e kamkak goa kap
lausu e siunnhoat siokang. Ahbo tohsi goa e piautat chhogou louh…
Chhinchhiunn kongtioh Middle English, goa si anchoann ai kong chiae
"bugi msi Engbun e goakoklang e koantiam"? Si inui beh khoann goae
bunchiunn e lang tohsi chiae lang ah! Chiae lang mna tui Engbun bo
liaukai, tui kati e gibun kohkhah bo liaukai. Soui goa toh kule hou in
khoann.
Lenggoa, lausu kong, Mandarin kap Taiwanese chiae gibun long hun ti
Hangi ekha, si chengti bunte, goa masi anne siunn.
Soui, ti goa goanlai e siunnhoat laibin, chute toh mbat jinui
Middle kap Old English e koanhe, si kap Taibun kap "Bungian" siokang
chanchhu. Anne goa si anchoann ku chite le? Si inui chuliau ho chhoe.
Goa beh tui goanlai e chiae thokchia konge si, "lian lin (ti
boliaukai Middle English e chengheng chi-ha), khoann khilai chiah
siosiang, jichhiann si khaksit u chhimchiann koanhe e 2 chiong gibun;
in long ikeng msi sio-kang e gibun louh. Anne, teh bintui chute toh
bokang e Taigi kap Chinagi, si msi in punte toh kohkhah si 2 chiong
bo-kang gibun leh?" Goa beh ka chiae thokchia konge tohsi anne.
Tongjian, choan lai chia liauau, Jason kap aThinn thhechhinn goa
engkai iong Latin lai pikau, sitchai chin kamsia, aupai goa na beh
chengli, e tekpiat thhechhinn chit pouhun.
Soui chhiann Sakai lausu mai kiankoai. Goa tongi lausu konge. Peng
msi goa kojin anne siunn. Anne si anchoann goa sia chiae loeiong? Si
inui goa jinui hiae bokphiau thokchia anne siunn. Susit siong, goa ti
tholunkhu tengbin siutioh e hoeeng masi chhaputto anne. Goa ku chiae
in boliaukai jichhiann e gouhoe e le si beh ka in kong -- suijian lin
e7 jinui si anne, mkoh sitche siong msi anne ouh! Mkoh msi goa kojin
anne siunn. Kholeng goae piautat boho. Chin phainnse. Bintui chanchhu
e bunte, goa aupai e7 kohkhah siongse chubeng.
Ma ai kamsia Sakai lausu thekiong pokui e ENM kap ANG e chuliau! :)
Phokgoan,
Gougoeh c6, 2008
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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: 文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
From: Kiatgak Lau
Date: 2008-06-04 02:06:13
Phokgoan,
Chiu goae koanchhat lai kong, u 1chiong lang si i thiaukang beh lai loan; lenggoa 1chiong si, i sitchai mchaiiann li beh kong siannmih, ma msi bo goani lai liaukai. Koh u te 3 chiong, siokhoa bat--koa, koh msi chinchiann bat.
Nachun si te-2 chiong, anne e lang, lan si msi ai ka chiae lang, kekiama kong chitea in e chhogou leh?
Chiann ho. Lang, chong--si ui m bat kau bat. Na u lang khanka, chinpou e khah kin.Khengchin, kong "bat" e lang, ma bo tekkhak chinchiann bat. Taibunkai chit chiong lang ma chin che. Mkoh, che si lenggoa chanchhu e bunte a.Bong chhamkho.Kiatgak 2008-06-04 2008/5/6 Phokgoân Chio̍h :
Sakai lausu,
Chin tosia li, goa liaukai ah :)
Mkoh, goa ahsi jinui, bintui boliaukai ahsi boti e lang, ahsi ai ka in ke kaisoe leh.
Goa punsin masi khoann BBS e tholuntin, chiah lai chiapchhiok Taibun e. Goa punte masi "pehchhi" neh :D Boea, goa chin u hengchhu, lai chiapchhiok tioh chinchoe chianpoe, thiann in kong e oe kap tholun, chiah piancho "tampoh-a khah bo hiah pehchhi". Chiu goae koanchhat lai kong, u 1chiong lang si i thiaukang beh lai loan; lenggoa 1chiong si, i sitchai mchaiiann li beh kong siannmih, ma msi bo goani lai liaukai.
Nachun si te-2 chiong, anne e lang, lan si msi ai ka chiae lang, kekiama kong chitea in e chhogou leh? Lan beh chhuisak 1kiann taichi e sichun, pilun bogi, itteng si ai hou lulailu choe lang lai liaukai lane siunnhoat e ah! Anne, si chengchhu lulailu choe lang jimtong, ma lai the3 lan kongoe. Anne, lane siannim, chiah e thoan kohkhah hng. Tongjian, si e7 chin thiam. Mkoh, si msi ai kekiam kap goani lai liaukai e sin lang (msi lai loan e hitchiong) tholun leh? Toh chhinchhiunn kokui chianpoe ittit ka goa chito siosiang, anne goa chiah e7 chinpou kohkhah kin, kam msi? :)
Phokgoan, Gougoeh c6, 2008
2008/5/6 SAKAI Toru :
Phokgoan:
goanlai e bunchiuN, goa ma u khoaN-tioh, chiah kong--e lah !!
mkoh goanlai e bunchiuN si kanna e-sai kong si "peh-chhi, gong, bo-ti, goa-han g" nia, lan peng bo su-iau toe3 in bu2, toe in e koantiam, le7 lai tholun !
kantan kong, Middle English kap Tiongbun, ahsi Hanbun e chanchhu kap te-ui si oanchoan bokangkhoan, sou-i goanlai e bunchiuN e peh-chhi, thekhi kong Middle English lai ka7 Tiongbun, ahsi Hanbun pianhou, masi chit-e peh-chhi, kunpun to bo su-iau kang chhap !!
lan e seNmia chin te2, sekai e 9 siaN 5 e kong-oe si7 peh-chhi-oe, li chiahni ke-kau peh-chhi si long-hui sikan ne !! (tongjian goa ma utangsi--a siuNbeh chhap peh-chhi--e, tansi boktek kanna si k a in lang7,khoe e nia. kunpun to bo su-iau jinchin lai tuithai in peh-chhi--e)
sakai
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Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:46:08 +0800 From: "Phokgo?n Chio?h" To: "SAKAI Toru" , "Google TGB" <
Subject: [tgb] Re: 文言文 = 中文 = 國語?
Sakai lausu li ho,
Chin phainnse, goa thautua kia e phoe, boekitit sunsoa kia hou Google Taigu Bang. Soui goa koh kia 1 pian.
Lenggoa ma beh sunsoa pouchhiong 1 tiam, tohsi goa si anchoann e lai ku tioh Middle English e chite le? Kisit goa goanlai bunchiunn u kongtioh -- si inui goa tianntiann khoanntioh banglou tengbin tholuntioh kiamchio "Bungian" e kauhak pile e sichun, hoantui e lang long e kong "Bikoklang ma iau e ka3 Shakespeare e bunchiunn. Si anchoann lan boetang ka3 Bungian." Goa chiah beh lai thechhinn -- Bikoklang ma peng msi titchiap theh Shakespeare chokphin e goanbun lai ka3 louh. Jichhiann Bungian bun kap Mandarin ahsi Taiwanese e chhapiat si kohkhah toa.
Goa si anchoann ku chiae le, kap chiae gouhoe, peng msi goa kati anne siunn, si inui goae bokphiau thokchia anne siunn.
Che si goanlai e bunchiunn, mchaiiann lausu si msi bo khoanntioh? Ma hou lausu chhamkho :) http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/TW-language/M.1209717967.A.75A.html
Ekha e pouhun, toh kap chincheng hit tiunn phoe siokang.
Phokgoan, Gougoeh c6, 2008
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Sakai lausu li ho,
Khaksit si chhiunn li konge anne. Li konge pouhun kisit goa ma jinui si tioh. Khaksit goa chu chitkhaisi kule toh mtioh louh!
Che punte si goa ti PTT cham tengbin khoanntioh 1 phinn bunchiunn jinui Taigi = Hangi = Mandarin = Tiongbun = Bungianbun… Anne e bunchiunn. Goa tohsi beh ka kong msi anne. Goa ku e le si Middle English. Boea choan tah lai chia, chiah hou Jason kap aThinn thechhinn, chanchhu si bokang. Soui goa toh kong, nachun koh beh chengli cho 1 phinn bunchiunn, goa e kai iong Latin.
Soui goa khoanntioh Sakai lausu lie bunchiunn soah mchaiiann lausu tansun si kong goa ku e le boho ahsi goa kuie siunnhoat si mtioh. Inui chiu goa teh khoann lausu e bunchiunn e sichun soah e kamkak goa kap lausu e siunnhoat siokang. Ahbo tohsi goa e piautat chhogou louh…
Chhinchhiunn kongtioh Middle English, goa si anchoann ai kong chiae "bugi msi Engbun e goakoklang e koantiam"? Si inui beh khoann goae bunchiunn e lang tohsi chiae lang ah! Chiae lang mna tui Engbun bo liaukai, tui kati e gibun kohkhah bo liaukai. Soui goa toh kule hou in khoann.
Lenggoa, lausu kong, Mandarin kap Taiwanese chiae gibun long hun ti Hangi ekha, si chengti bunte, goa masi anne siunn.
Soui, ti goa goanlai e siunnhoat laibin, chute toh mbat jinui Middle kap Old English e koanhe, si kap Taibun kap "Bungian" siokang chanchhu. Anne goa si anchoann ku chite le? Si inui chuliau ho chhoe.
Goa beh tui goanlai e chiae thokchia konge si, "lian lin (ti boliaukai Middle English e chengheng chi-ha), khoann khilai chiah siosiang, jichhiann si khaksit u chhimchiann koanhe e 2 chiong gibun; in long ikeng msi sio-kang e gibun louh. Anne, teh bintui chute toh bokang e Taigi kap Chinagi, si msi in punte toh kohkhah si 2 chiong bo-kang gibun leh?" Goa beh ka chiae thokchia konge tohsi anne.
Tongjian, choan lai chia liauau, Jason kap aThinn thhechhinn goa engkai iong Latin lai pikau, sitchai chin kamsia, aupai goa na beh chengli, e tekpiat thhechhinn chit pouhun.
Soui chhiann Sakai lausu mai kiankoai. Goa tongi lausu konge. Peng msi goa kojin anne siunn. Anne si anchoann goa sia chiae loeiong? Si inui goa jinui hiae bokphiau thokchia anne siunn. Susit siong, goa ti tholunkhu tengbin siutioh e hoeeng masi chhaputto anne. Goa ku chiae in boliaukai jichhiann e gouhoe e le si beh ka in kong -- suijian lin e7 jinui si anne, mkoh sitche siong msi anne ouh! Mkoh msi goa kojin anne siunn. Kholeng goae piautat boho. Chin phainnse. Bintui chanchhu e bunte, goa aupai e7 kohkhah siongse chubeng.
Ma ai kamsia Sakai lausu thekiong pokui e ENM kap ANG e chuliau! :)
Phokgoan, Gougoeh c6, 2008
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