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From: "Henry H. Tan-Tenn"
Subject: [Eng]: Le Petit Prince
To: "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"
Hoe-tap Vienna (hoa-gi "Oe-ie-na") 1-ui peng-iu e bun-te:
- Kam u ke-oe bi-lai chiong han-ji oaN-cho lo-ma-ji?
Leng-goa pou-chhiong chit-e bun-te:
- POJ kam si "transliteration system"?
--Hong-giau
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Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [inbox] AW: Le Petit Prince (Taiwanese edition)
[su-jin pou-hun]
> As for:
>
> > Are there any ideas to maybe replace the 'chinese'
> > writing system for the Ho-lo language with the romanized transliteration one
> > day?
>
> Definitely the ideas are out there. A friend of mine, Dr. Chiung, has put up
a
> site promoting such ideas ([http://www.de-han.org](<http://www.de-han.org/>)). But of course they are
> hardly mainstream even among those who write in Taiwanese. The current mode
is
> to mix Chinese characters ("han-ji" in Taiwanese) with romanization
> (Peh-oe-ji/POJ) whenever a suitable han-ji is not obvious or is controversial.
> In practice, the sytem is not unlike the Japanese tri-script but instead of
> kanji, hirakana, and katakana, we have han-ji and POJ. It shares the same
> "problem" of inconsistent choices but I think the possibility of playing with
> language registers and styles by emphasizing one script vis-a-vis another
makes
> for creative things. "Sio Ong-chu", then, represents a more purist stream; it
> is also useful for teaching purposes.
>
> Btw, we tend to conceptualize POJ as a script rather than a transliteration
> system, though it could be used as such. It's a technicality but a useful
one.
> Transliteration usually implies a Latin representation of a non-Latin script
> (e.g. Cyrillic). What the 19th century missionaries did, however, was more
than
> taking a "Chinese Script for Colloquial Taiwanese" and converting it to POJ.
> The former was simply not well-established, nor is it today. A significant
> minority of words have no clear-cut Chinese characters. Often one selection
is
> as good -- or as bad -- as another. Most people, in any case, couldbarely
make
> out their own names in han-ji, han-ji education being a laborious process
> requiring much leisure. So for a century POJ was *the* script for writing
down
> Taiwanese, not only for the missionaries but the local Christians as well. So
> one might say it was not transliterating anything at the word level. Maybe we
> can call it a transcription system, of the spoken language. In short,
>
> Transliteration:
> speech --> han-ji --> POJ
>
> Transcription:
> speech --> POJ
>
.
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<DIV>From: "Henry H. Tan-Tenn" <<A
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[Eng]: Le Petit Prince<BR>To: "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)" <<A
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<DIV><BR>Hoe-tap Vienna (hoa-gi "Oe-ie-na") 1-ui peng-iu e
bun-te:<BR><BR>- Kam u ke-oe bi-lai chiong han-ji oaN-cho
lo-ma-ji?<BR><BR>Leng-goa pou-chhiong chit-e bun-te:<BR><BR>- POJ kamsi
"transliteration system"?<BR><BR>--Hong-giau<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----
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PM<BR>Subject: Re: [inbox] AW: Le Petit Prince (Taiwanese
edition)<BR><BR>[su-jin pou-hun]<BR><BR>> As for:<BR>><BR>> >
Are there any ideas to maybe replace the 'chinese'<BR>> > writing
system for the Ho-lo language with the romanized transliteration
one<BR>> > day?<BR>><BR>> Definitely the ideas are out there.
A friend of mine, Dr. Chiung, has put up<BR>a<BR>> site promoting such
ideas (<A href="[http://www.de-han.org"](<http://www.de-han.org"/>);>[http://www.de-han.org](<http://www.de-han.org/>)</A>). But of
course they are<BR>> hardly mainstream even among those who write in
Taiwanese. The current mode<BR>is<BR>> to mix Chinese characters
("han-ji" in Taiwanese) with romanization<BR>> (Peh-oe-ji/POJ) whenever
a suitable han-ji is not obvious or is controversial.<BR>> In practice,
the sytem is not unlike the Japanese tri-script but instead of<BR>>
kanji, hirakana, and katakana, we have han-ji and POJ. It shares the
same<BR>> "problem" of inconsistent choices but I think the possibility
of playing with<BR>> language registers and styles by emphasizing one
script vis-a-vis another<BR>makes<BR>> for creative things. "Sio
Ong-chu", then, represents a more purist stream; it<BR>> is also useful
for teaching purposes.<BR>><BR>> Btw, we tend to conceptualize POJ
as a script rather than a transliteration<BR>> system, though it could
be used as such. It's a technicality but a useful<BR>one.<BR>>
Transliteration usually implies a Latin representation of a non-Latin
script<BR>> (e.g. Cyrillic). What the 19th century missionaries did,
however, was more<BR>than<BR>> taking a "Chinese Script for Colloquial
Taiwanese" and converting it to POJ.<BR>> The former was simply not
well-established, nor is it today. A significant<BR>> minority of words
have no clear-cut Chinese characters. Often one selection<BR>is<BR>> as
good -- or as bad -- as another. Most people, in any case, could
barely<BR>make<BR>> out their own names in han-ji, han-ji education
being a laborious process<BR>> requiring much leisure. So for a century
POJ was *the* script for writing<BR>down<BR>> Taiwanese, not only for
the missionaries but the local Christians as well. So<BR>> one might
say it was not transliterating anything at the word level. Maybe
we<BR>> can call it a transcription system, of the spoken language. In
short,<BR>><BR>> Transliteration:<BR>> speech --> han-ji
--> POJ<BR>><BR>> Transcription:<BR>> speech -->
POJ<BR>><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>. </DIV></TD></TR>
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