Choe-kin email u kai, u e phoe kia lai TGB e thoe-tng-lai. Chit tiuN phoe > koh sang chit pai. > > Hak-khiam > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hak-khiam" > To: "" ; "霅撟單祥" ; > "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)" > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 5:22 PM > Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN > > > > Kang im-ui (曈雿) e gu-im in e sit-che hoat-im e-tang bo-kang, m-koh bo > > khu-piat i-su, c.c. Eng-gu e ph (pie) kah p (spy) im bo-kang, m-koh long > > sia-cho "p", in-ui Eng-gu e p sang-khi bo sang-khi bo eng-hiong tioh i-su. > > > > blg kah mnng si im-ui pian-the e-tang hap-cho 1 e, sou-i lan chiah e > > khoaN-tioh i-ha e hian-siong: > > > > > > > Chin-che lang….. long ka "nga/gaN", "na/laN", "ma/baN" sia-cho si > > kang-khoan. > > > > Beh ka hak-seng e si-chun e-tang ka in kong blg kah mnng u > hou-pou-hun-phoe, > > mnng kah phiN-hoa bo-im phoe-hap, blg bo kah phiN-hoa bo-im cho-hoe, sou-i > > POJ bo sia gaN, hak-seng u tang-si-a e mng, ui-sim-mih "nga" e "a" m-si > > phiN-im thah kah ng cho-hoe, tioh e-tang ka kong pun-te e hoat-im si > "ngaN", > > m-koh lan sia e si-chun ka phiN-im seng-liok. > > > > Goa kong sio-siang si kin-ku goa ka-ki e kam-kak. Goa mng i-su u kang bo, > si > > in-ui "i-su" u chha bo si koat-teng si-m-si kang chit e "im-ui" e > tiong-iau > > in-sou. > > > > Hak-khiam > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "" > > To: "Hak-khiam" ; "霅撟單祥" ; > > "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)" > > > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN > > > > > > > Anni kong bo siaN thotong. > > > > > > > Goa thak khi-lai si kang-khoan. > > > > > > Ka 2 e siooa e im thakcho kangkhoan, bo taipiau in punchiaN siosiang. > > > > > > Ma u lang ka "j, l, g" long thakcho kangkhoan. Ma bo taipiau in punchiaN > e > > > hoatim siosiang. > > > > > > > Ji-chhiaN boe-a hit 2 e thak khi-lai tioh sng u chha-piat, m-koh in e > > > "i-su" > > > > kam u chha-piat? biN7= mi ? laN7=na7 ? > > > > > > "biN kap mi" si Taigi laite kang 1 e mihkiaN ti bo kang susia hethong e > > > siahoat. KhiongkiaN betang anni cho pikau. > > > > > > 1. POJ kinpun to bo "biN" e siahoat; hakseng na sia "biN" to hou > lausu > > > phah chhea--a; beh anchoaN kong in "isu" siosiang bo siosiang? > > > > > > 2. Na etang kong "biN=mi" (hoatim iah isu), anni ma etang kong > > > "biN=mi=bni", simchi "…=bhiN=…". > > > > > > Loulat. > > > > > > Kiatgak > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Hak-khiam" > > > To: "" ; "?=%-v" > > ; > > > "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)" > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:10 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN > > > > > > > > > > > > bi7 biN7 mi7 > > > > > > ga5 gaN5 nga5 > > > > > > la7 laN7 na7 > > > > > > > > > > > > Chit 3 e le, kam m-si boe-a hit 2 e thak kang-khoan, kah bo > phiN-im > > e > > > > > > bo-kang. > > > > > > > > > > Kah khng chohoe pikau, bo toli kong aupiah 2 e thak kangkhoan. > > > > > > > > Goa si kian-gi tak-ke thak khoaN mai leh. > > > > Goa thak khi-lai si kang-khoan. > > > > Ji-chhiaN boe-a hit 2 e thak khi-lai tioh sng u chha-piat, m-koh in e > > > "i-su" > > > > kam u chha-piat? biN7= mi ? laN7=na7 ? > > > > Goa thak khi-lai kang-khoan, ma jin-ui in e i-su si kang-khoan. > > > > > > > > Hak-khiam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Hak-khiam" > > > > > To: "" ; "?=%-v" > > > > ; > > > > > "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)" > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:32 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Goa kong liau chin thiu-hiong, kho-leng bo ho liau-kai. > > > > > Iong le lai kong hoan-se khah chheng-chho. > > > > > > > > > > bi7 biN7 mi7 > > > > > ga5 gaN5 nga5 > > > > > la7 laN7 na7 > > > > > > > > > > Chit 3 e le, kam m-si boe-a hit 2 e thak kang-khoan, kah bo phiN-im > e > > > > > bo-kang. > > > > > biN kah mi si kang-khoan e. > > > > > > > > > > Hak-khiam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From:
> > > > > To: Hak-khiam ; ?=%-v ; > > > keith > > > > > cheng ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:02 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [b][l][g] kah [m][n][ng] si im-ui pian-the -5&lE\Ei!CChit 2 chou > > im > > > na > > > > > ka > > > > > > > lam cho-hoe Tai-gi e siaN-bo tioh si 15 im, na ka hun-khui tioh > u > > 18 > > > e > > > > > > > siaN-bo. > > > > > > > > > > > > "p, ph", "t, th", "k, kh", "ch, chh" si sikan e pianthe. "leng > > siaNbo" > > > > si > > > > > bo > > > > > > siaNbo. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ka chit 5 e khautiau, Taigi kanna chhun 10 e siaNbo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > [b][l][g] na ti phiN-im un-bo ;s-5C}%@ kah goan-im phiN-hoa > un-bo > > > > > $8-5;s$F > > > > > > C} > > > > > > > tioh e pian-cho [m][n][ng] . > > > > > > > > > > > > Anni si tianto thau kong. KhoaN Sichong thehkiong e le to chaiiaN, > > "b, > > > > l, > > > > > g" > > > > > > be piancho "m, n, ng". > > > > > > > > > > > > "banc"(i2-liau5 e i3-su3) hoat-im chiap-kin Taigi e "baN" > > > > > > "long"(tng5 e i-su) hoat-im si "loN" > > > > > > "gond" (mng5 e au1-liu2) hoat-im si "goN" > > > > > > > > > > > > Susit engkai si Taigi e hoatim si "m-, n-, ng-", u lang ka i > siacho > > > > "b-N, > > > > > > l-N, g-N". > > > > > > > > > > > > Lenggoa, "l" phiNimhoa ma msi "n". > > > > > > > > > > > > > [m][n][ng] na si ti hui phiN-hoa goan-im un-bo kah jip-siaN > un-bo > > > > > > > chin-cheng, tioh e pian-cho [b][l][g] . > > > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > "ma" e hoatim be piancho "ba iah baN", "na" ma be piancho "la iah > > > laN", > > > > > "ga" > > > > > > ma be piancho "nga iah gaN". > > > > > > > > > > > > Kijian Chan Kimkim ks u eng gikhi pong--koe, chengau hoatim u > > khupiat > > > > > engkai > > > > > > si bo siaN bunte. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kan-tan-kong, u bo phiN-im e tioh iong b, l, g, u phiN-im tioh > > iong > > > m, > > > > > n, > > > > > > > ng. Ai chu-i e si c.c. "ma", "nga" au-piah e "a" ki-sit long u > > > phiN-im > > > > > > "aN", > > > > > > > in-ui si e-tang u-chhek e lan long ka seng-liok. > > > > > > > > > > > > Che si POJ susia Holooe e kuichek (koansi), msi hoatim e kuichek. > > > > Pitkeng > > > > > > "ma, maN, baN" iausi bo kang e hoatim. > > > > > > > > > > > > ChhiaN chikau. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiatgak > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Hak-khiam" > > > > > > To: "?=%-v" ; "" > > > > > ; > > > > > > "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)" > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:55 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tak-ke ho: > > > > > > > > > > > > [b][l][g] kah [m][n][ng] si im-ui pian-the -5&lE\Ei!CChit 2 chou > im > > na > > > > ka > > > > > > lam cho-hoe Tai-gi e siaN-bo tioh si 15 im, na ka hun-khui tioh u > 18 > > e > > > > > > siaN-bo. > > > > > > > > > > > > [b][l][g] na ti phiN-im un-bo ;s-5C}%@ kah goan-im phiN-hoa un-b o > > > > > $8-5;s$FC} > > > > > > tioh e pian-cho [m][n][ng] . biN7= mi7, [b] in-ui > > au-piah > > > > > > phiN-im e eng-hiong chu-jian e pian-cho [m]. > > > > > > > > > > > > [m][n][ng] na si ti hui phiN-hoa goan-im un-bo kah jip-siaN un-bo > > > > > > chin-cheng, tioh e pian-cho [b][l][g] . > > > > > > > > > > > > Kan-tan-kong, u bo phiN-im e tioh iong b, l, g, u phiN-im tioh > iong > > m, > > > > n, > > > > > > ng. Ai chu-i e si c.c. "ma", "nga" au-piah e "a" ki-sit long u > > phiN-im > > > > > "aN", > > > > > > in-ui si e-tang u-chhek e lan long ka seng-liok. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hak-khiam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: ?=%-*v > > > > > > To: ; keith cheng > > > > > > ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:42 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tak-e pengan: > > > > > > > POJ e siat-ke kan-na u ma na nga ,bo baN laN gaN . > > > > > > > baN laN gaN eng-kai si ui Sip-ngou-im (Lui-im po-kam )lai--e ,15 > > im > > > > liu > > > > > > pian > > > > > > > kiu khi te pho tha cheng jip si ….,long-chong chiah 15 e > siaN-bo > > > ,I > > > > ka > > > > > b > > > > > > > ke N tong-cho ma,ka l ke N tong-cho na,ka g ke N tong-cho nga . > > > > > > > Lah-jih > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "" > > > > > > > To: "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese > > Net)" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:20 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Gigian e bunte chiaN che long si soantekseng--e (soan 1 > hang, > > > > taike > > > > > > > > koansi i-au to chiau leh eng). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Kijian "m-", "n-", "ng-" eng chiah ku--a, ma bo simmih toa > > > bunte, > > > > > > > sitchai > > > > > > > > bo pitiau koh siacho "b-N", "l-N", "g-N". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. POJ beh piauchunhoa, bunji sitchai bo pitiau hoaneng khauim > e > > > > > siokhoa > > > > > > > > chengchha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Chiau itpoaN e goanchek, isu na bo chengchha kinpun bo > pitiau > > > ti > > > > > > > subingi > > > > > > > > cho khupiat. (chai lang thak, thiaN u to ho) ChhiuN "tsa" > > siacho > > > > > "cha" > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ho. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Kong "ma = baN", "na = laN", "nga = gaN" sitchai u bunte, > he > > si > > > > bo > > > > > > > > kangkhoaN e im, betang kong in siosiang (beh to kong in si > siooa > > e > > > > > im). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Taigi sitche e hoatim engkai si "maN", "naN", "ngaN" (kui e > > > > imchat > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > phiNimhoa). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isiong si goa chu-i chit e bunte chiaN ku i-au e chitkoa > > kiatlun, > > > > > chhiaN > > > > > > > > taike chhamkho. Ma ngbang na u pian kauchai e lang, mthang hou > > > > > thokchia > > > > > > > > chhongou e koanliam. Loulat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiatgak > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "keith cheng" > > > > > > > > To: "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)" > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 4:47 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kok-ui hiaN-che: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan-siap tioh POJ/TOJ e piau-chun-hoa chit-e issue, u > chit-e > > > > bun-te > > > > > > beh > > > > > > > > > chheng-kau tai-ke. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chin-che lang(pau-koat choe-kin Hongtin che e LMJ powerpoint > > > > > > kau-chai), > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > ka "nga/gaN", "na/laN", "ma/baN" sia-cho si kang-khoan. > Chit-e > > > > > bun-te > > > > > > > > > chin3-cheng u Hokchu, Lah-jih, Kiat-gak hiaN ia bat > the-chhut > > > > > i-kian. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chit-khoan "issue" ki-sit ti u "phiN-bo-im" e gi-gian long > u, > > > > > > > chhin-chhiuN > > > > > > > > > Hoat-gi. M-koh Hoat-gi e chit-2-chou, u-e u gi2-i3 e > > cheng-chha. > > > > > > Tai-gi > > > > > > > > > chit-e-chou gi-i kho-leng bo chengchha(?bo khak-teng), m-koh > > ti > > > > > > > > > piau-chun-hoa e lip-tiuN iau-ku si ai soan-tek chit-chiong > lai > > > > eng. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eng2-pai bat chheng-kau koe Khin-hoaN hiaN, u kong-khi "nga" > > kap > > > > > > "gaN", > > > > > > > > "na" > > > > > > > > > kap "laN", "ma" kap "baN" hoat-im siong si bo kang--e. > > Chha-piat > > > > si > > > > > > > > > chit-khai-si e hoat-im ui7-ti3 bo kang. > > > > > > > > > "nga" tui "ng" e ui-ti khai-si. 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