Re: Bongpo e tai-chi: 1-e Taibun kangchok chia u7 choe7" "Hiong-chhiu" ti to-ui?
Suibeng hiann kap tak-e ho,
Chhengkau BONGPO chutheseng (toklip unchok) e bunte:
> 1.BP khi-thau si iu sia-bu-ui-oan keng--khi-lai e taibun chap-chi
> m-koh au-lai toa-pou-hun ai kho LKK chan-chou
> sit-che siong si LKK e tit-siok khan-but
Chit chiong konghoat lilun kap sitche 2 hongbin kana long kong be thong.
Lilun siong,
1. BONGPO si tengki cho chapchisia e chouchit, LKK si chaithoan
hoatjin, 2 e si toklip e chouchit, beh nah e pinn cho "titsiok" e
koanhe?
2. LKK kap BONGPO chongchi, bokphiau, sengchit, kap kongleng long bo
siokang, tangsi soah pinn cho "titsiok"--e?
3. Chanchou hoan chanchou, nah e chanchou khah che, to pinn cho i e?
4. LKK si "hui-engli" e tanui, nah esai u "engli" e chapchisia cho i e
"titsiok" khanbut? (Chukoan kikoan chit chha to to e taichi, kam kong
u lang leh ka LKK chhongkhang?) Kantann thiann koe "hui-engli" tanui
husiok ti "engli" tanui, chitma soah u lang beh tiantothau bu.
5. Bo kang chouchit, LKK e tangsuhoe nah etang koatteng BONGPO e
chongpianchip siang lai cho?
Sitche siong,
a. "au-lai toa-pou-hun ai kho LKK chan-chou" kap susit be hah. BONGPO
"toapouhun" iau si kho "siabu uioan" (tak ki te 1 iah) kap chichhichia
bo tengki kiahu (tak ki te 15 iah, kiahu tengsin) lai ichhi; bo kau e
pouhun, Sekiong hiann chiann jiatsim, e kiahu khah toa pit lai
poukhang, mkoh he si "kiahu" (khan ti tengsin), eng--e si kojin
(Sekiong hiann) e miagi, msi "LKK".
b. U leh chiau khikang unchok--e to si BONGPO e pianbu hoegi,
pankongsek e subu, pauham LKK e taichi (chhiunn kong "Akhioh Siunn
tengbun pisai"), na bo lang chhap--e, tianntiann ai than pianbu hoegi
e si, tengkiu tak-e e ikian. Chiu sitbu unchok lai kong, khah seng LKK
titsiok BONGPO.
c. BONGPO tngki luichek Taigibun e "contents", u kouteng e sengchek,
itpoann e jinti BONGPO si chuthe, ah LKK taute leh cho siann, bo siann
lang etang sui kong--chhutlai. Khia, BONGPO si "sit"--e, LKK si
"hi"--e, "khang"--e, che si phouthongsi Taibunkai pengiu e "kamkak".
Na beh kong BONGPO "titsiok" LKK, tianto si chiann kikoai e konghoat.
d. LKK chuiau si thekiong BONGPO pankong tiunnsou kap hengcheng
chioan. Mkoh BONGPO chailai e hengcheng chokgiap long chiann tansun,
bo eng tioh pankongsek joa che chugoan. Jichhiann LKK kang khoan si
"tausannkang" chhuli chiah-e taichi, bo liiu kong ka BONGPO
"tausannkang" to kong BONGPO to si i e.
e. Sitche siong, icha Suiiong hiann (icha tau hoatloh BONGPO chaibu e
gikang) to bat hunthiah BONGPO e chaibu kiatkou hou goa khoann--koe,
goa chiap chongpianchip e si, ma khoann koe cheng 1 tang e chaibupio,
BONGPO e khausiau kisit tansun tansun, msi, ma bo suiau "toa-pou-hun
ai kho LKK chan-chou".
BONGPO na bo chutheseng, pat e u chiapsiu LKK chanchou (iahsi chioan)
e tanui, chhiunn TAIOANJI, TBTS, TLH (chincheng chioh eng LKK e
pankongsek pankong, pan oahtang e si ma u chiapsiu LKK e chanchou,
...), Taipak Taibun Siachokhoe, Tiongho Thakchhehhoe, Taigiji
Thakchhehhoe, simchi TGB, iahsi chiah-e tanui e gikang, .... ma long
tioh "titsiok" LKK louh?
1 e thoanthe, 1 e chouchit (simchi 1 e kokka) long tiohai u i e
chutheseng, bo, to e sitkhi i chunchai e ketat.
Mtioh e souchai, chhiann chicheng, chhiann soehbeng liiu hou tak e
koansim e pengiu liaukai. Loulat.
Kiatgak
2005/4/3
On Mar 28, 2005 11:48 PM, å½¥ç² wrote:
> Tak-e peng-an
> kan-tan hoe-eng
> 1.BP khi-thau si iu sia-bu-ui-oan keng--khi-lai e taibun chap-chi
> m-koh au-lai toa-pou-hun ai kho LKK chan-chou
> sit-che siong si LKK e tit-siok khan-but
> 2.LKK tong-jian kam-sia tng-ki che-che chichhichia e kia-hu
> tan si kia-hu-chia ai chun-tiong tang-su-hoe e koat-teng
> kan-na goa si kongkiong-tiansi e kia-hu-chia goa kam e-sai khi
> kansiap lang e jin-su koat-teng?
> 3.Tekhoa e tai-chi sun-chhui si kiong-su-siong e bunte
> kengkoe LKK tang-su-hoe tholun e kiong-sek
> LKK i-keng iong lo-ki-hoat hu i eng-tit e chiN
> na u bunte ma si ai i kap tang-su-hoe khi chhek
> bo sek-hap ti chia tholun
> 4.LKK chu thau chi boe bo heng-chhu kap sim-mih lang tui-tek
> cho jin ho untong ai kau peng-iu ,chhoe tong-chi
> m-si che-cho tek-jin
> tan si bo-hoat-to cho-hoe cho khang-khoe to ai hun-khui
> ti bo-kang ui-ti "cho un-tong"
>
> Lim-sek-iong hiaN tng-ki chhut chiN thekiong tiuN sou chichhi
> LKK&BP&TBTS m-bat kan-siap kah chit ku oe
> kan-na ui-tioh 1996 ni ti bi-kok tap-eng beh chichhi gun cho taibun
> untong
> LKK&BP e lek-su goa tiam-tih chai sim-thau
> chin kamphoe sek-iong hiaN e jiatcheng kap seng-lok
> na u cho bo-kau e ,cho bo ho e goa ai kiam-tho
>
> sou-i pai-thok m-chai thau-boe e peng-iu
> kau chia ui-chi
> mai koh tholun
> mai koh chit-gi gun e chhau-siu kap jin-keh
> cheng ka hou-siong e siong-hai
>
> Suibeng
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> å¯ä»¶è
: "Kiatgak Lau"
> æ¶ä»¶è
: "æ¥å
èÔ͘"
> å¯æ¬: "Teng Hongtin" ; "levin"
> ; "Le-soat Liau" ;
> ; ;
> å³éæ¥æ: 2005å¹´3æ28æ¥ ä¸å 04:46
> 主æ¨: Re: [TGB] Bongpo e tai-chi: 1-e Taibun kangchok chia u7 choe7----
> "Hiong-chhiu" ti to-ui?
>
> > Tak-e ho,
> >
> > Chhiann tak-e tholun bunte e si chinliong khah lengcheng--koa,
> > chinliong "chiu su lun su", pibian eng "chengsuhoa" e oegi, pibian kap
> > kojin e oansiu ka chohoe; anne, chiah e u tholun e khongkan.
> >
> > Taigubang si tholun Taigi/Taigibun kongkiong gite e souchai. Kahna
> > Taigi e kongkiong gite, to engkai u chukeh tiam ti Taigubang tholun
> > chiah tioh. (che tioh chhiann KLO khakjin)
> >
> > BONGPO chu khaisi kau tann long si kho chichhichia kiahu, cho gikang,
> > sia bunchiunn, ... keng--khilai-e, (m si boumih lang, iahsi boumih
> > tanui kati chhut chinn pan--e) etang kong si "kongkiong chaisan", bo
> > toli kong BONGPO e subu betang chiann cho kongkiong gite.
> >
> > Tak-e ma long chaiiann BONGPO e hoathengjin, siatiunn, .... chu khaisi
> > to long si koamia--e, bo leh chhap taichi, anne, taute siang etang
> > koatteng BONGPO bilai e honghiong? Che tongjian ma u chukeh chiann cho
> > kongkiong gite.
> >
> > Lenggoa, LKK Kikimhoe suibong u tangsuhoe leh unchok, mkoh i ma si
> > chiapsiu tak-e kiahu e thoanthe, bo toli kong "in kaki e taichi" to
> > betang tholun, kahna khansiap tioh kongkiong subu, to engkai ai
> > chiapsiu kongkiong e phenglun.
> >
> > Kongkiong gite kongkhai tholun, che si binchu siahoe siong kipun e
> > iaukiu niania.
> >
> > Bong chhamkho.
> >
> > Kiatgak
> > 2005/3/28
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:07:12 +0000, æ¥å
èÔ͘
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hongtin :
> > >
> > > Goa jim-ui che si Taibunkai e taichi, msi kanna BP kah LKK e taichi,
> inui
> > > lan chinchoe lang long u chham-u, putkoan si koan-chiN iahsi sia
> bunchiuN.
> > >
> > > Li esai tui Tek-hoa kojin u li kaki e put-boan, lan beh cho untong, bo
> > > siaNme taichi boesai kong beng e, nabo to kah lan hoantui e kok-bin-tong
> si
> > > kangkhoan e.
> > >
> > > Goa si siuN boe kau e hoatseng chitkhoan taichi, chincheng goa to ikeng
> kong
> > > a, lan ikeng bo khachhiu, bo chaitiau anne piN, chincheng toathaulian
> hong
> > > bu 1-pian goa ikeng chin hoan-kam a, chitma koh beh ka Tek-hoa bu
> 1-pian.
> > >
> > > Kasu lin jim-ui cho untong tosi ai anne bu, goa to e ka lin khoaN
> soesiau,
> > > cho siaNme untong ? kanna siuN-beh phian lang e jiatcheng, phian 1-koa
> > > khong--e.
> > >
> > > Tek-hoa na hong sitiau chong-pian-chip, goa to boai teng BP, ma boai kah
> LKK
> > > kikimhoe u jim-ho titai.
> > >
> > > Goa kah Tek-hoa u chinchoe ikian bo hah e souchai, sutoeha goa ma kah i
> > > oanke ke, mkoh, goa chin chhengchho, ti Taigubun untong, i si lan e
> > > tong-chi, msi tek-jin, lin na beh ka tongchoe tekjin, to piausi lin
> thaukhak
> > > phai khi, nabo tosi khisiau a.
> > >
> > > Ungian 3.26
> > >
> > > On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:14:59 +0800 (CST), Teng Hongtin wrote
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Kok-ui:
> > > >
> > > > Goa jin-ui che si Bong-po kap LKK ki-kim-hoe in ka-ki e tai-chi,
> > > >
> > > > U chit-koa tai-chi, ia bo it-teng sek-hap tui goa kong2 siuN7-koe
> beng5.
> > > > In-ui na-si kong2-beng5, bo5 tiaN7-tioh si tui "siau-lian-lang" koh
> khah
> > > m-ho.
> > > >
> > > > U e lang chin gau kong2-oe, oe long kong2 kah chin toa-phiN.
> > > > Goa chin "phoe-hok" chit-chiong lang,
> > > >
> > > > A-men.
> > > >
> > > > Hongtin
> > > >
> > > > levin wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > IuN Un-gian æ¥å
èÔ͘
> > > Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-kau-siu大漢è³å·¥ç³»å©ææ
> > > Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su-pan hak-sengå°å¤§è³å·¥ç³»å士çå¸ç
> > > [http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw](<http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw/>)
> > >
> > > Hoat-seng sim-mih tai-chi..a?
> > > > Bong-po kah LKK ki-kim-hoe si sim-mih koan-he?
> > > > PhaiN-se, goa piN be7 chheng-chho, ng-bang chit-lai-te e tai-chi m-ho
> > > > eng-hiong tioh Tai-bun un-tong.
> > > >
> > > > Lip-bun
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [[mailto:owner-taigu@](<https://web.archive.org/web/20050410062230/mailto:owner-taigu@>)...] On
> Behalf
> > > > Of Le-soat Liau
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:25 PM
> > > > To: Kiatgak Lau; ;
> > > > Cc:
> > > > Subject: [TGB] Bongpo e tai-chi: 1-e Taibun kangchok chia u7 choe7----
> > > > "Hiong-chhiu" ti to-ui?
> > > >
> > > > Tak-e ho,
> > > >
> > > > Seng hoe sit-le: piau-te sit-chai m-chai beh anchoaN teng...
> > > >
> > > > ThiaN-kong Tek-hoa su-iau ti 2005.03.31 li-khui Bong-po kap LKK
> kikimhoe
> > > > (bo kui2-kang cheng i chiah hong thong-ti e tai-chi)
> > > >
> > > > U kui-e bun-te siuN-beh chheng-kau chai-iaN e lang (koat-chhek chia?):
> > > >
> > > > 1) Tek-hoa si! hian-jim e chong-phian-chip8, koh lai siaN-lang beh
> chiap
> > > > i e khang-khoe? Si lim-si-tek hoat-seng e tai-chi? Ah-si koatteng
> > > > chit-hang tai-chi e lang u chhoe-tioh koh khah sek-hap lai cho Tekhoa
> > > > bok-cheng leh cho e Bongpo kap KKH e tai-chi?
> > > >
> > > > 2) SiaN-lang cho e koatteng? LKK ki-kim-hoe?
> > > > Na si, Bongpo kam sng si LKK e kikoan-khan-but?
> > > >
> > > > 3) Chun kong si sia-hoe-thoan-the, kang-chok-jin-oan cho 1-toaN
> be7-te2
> > > > e si-kan ah, ma-tioh ai theh-cha hong chai, ah-si kong u chhoan beh u
> > > > siong-tong e the3-chit-kim?
> > > >
> > > > 4) Bong-po e sit-che hu-chek-jin si (a) sia-bu-ui-oan? (b)
> > > > chong-phian-chip ? (c) sia-tiuN?
> > > >
> > > > 5) Tek-hoa tau-te cho m-tioh siaN 'toa tai-chi'? I ko-jin
> > > > ho-chhan-chhiuN ma 'bok-beng-ki-biau'.
> > > >
> > > > Chin sit-le, ka mail hoat hou TG-bang, chit-cham-a tu-ho long leh
> > > > chhu-li Bongpo cha-cheng e tong-an, kam-kak khah chhim.
> > > >
> > > > Lan TG-bun tau-te si u goa-che chu-goan, iong-un 1-e sit-che u leh cho
> > > > tai-chi e lang cho-gu anne e tui-thai? "Hiong-chhiu" ti to-ui?
> > > >
> > > > Kiam-chhai goa sou tit-tioh e siau-sit long si 'phian3-bin7--e',
> ng-bang
> > > > thang u leng-goa 1-bin e siaN-im chhut-lai.
> > > >
> > > > Pai-thok.
> > > >
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