TADA sang, Kam-sia li e soat-beng. An-ne kong, goan-lai e JPL e r eng-kai si trill. Soan-kau-su chiu-si kin-ki JPL e hoat-im chiah iong r, bo iong l. M-ku chit-ma JPL i-keng bo koh iong trill lah. Chit-ma e TO gin-a thak Eng-gi bo cheng-khak: ti liau li kong e b>p (bye-bye>pai-pai) i-goa, koh u g>k(go>kou,u--e kui-khi iong chu-im hu-hoㄍㄡ). Babuza

----- Original Message ----- From: TADA Kei ; Lim Jukhai Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [TGB] "ROC Enggi" kauiok suiau chengsionghoa
Babuza sang, ** **Chhin-chhiuN li sou kong, Jit-gi e "r"(flap) kap Tai-gi e "l"(flap) si kang im (sound). ** **M-ku lau 1 poe e JP lang e "r" si trill. Sng si 'free allophon'. To-si Jit-gi e "r" si flap~trill long e-sai-tit. Sou-i iong "r" lai sia. ** **("Liu-long kau Tam-chui" lai-te "Hou ta lah" e "lah", in teh chhiuN e si-chun hoat-cho trill. M chai che si oh Italy lang e hoat-im, ah-si TG punlai e hoat-im.) ** **Jit-gi u "r" kap "d" e khu-piat. Tai-gi to bo "d". ** **Taioan lang thiaN Jit-gi e "r" e im, thiaN cho (Tai-gi e) "l". ChhiuN (JP) rajio, raitaa - > (TG) la-ji-ou, lai-ta. ** **Taioan lang thiaN Jit-gi e "d" e im, to (ka liah cho Tai-gi e "l"), iong "l" e im lai tai-the. ** **DDT kong-cho "Li-Li-Thi" iong TG e hoat-im (phonemic system, phonology) lai kong chin chu-jian."d" kap "r" ti gi-im-hak (phonetics) teng-koan long ma siok ti iu-siaN-im (lo-im, voiced sound). ** **Sou-i "CD" na si iong TG e hiN-a lai hoan-cho TG, eng-kai si "Si-Li". TADA

----- Original Message ----- From: ; Lim Jukhai Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [TGB] "ROC Enggi" kauiok suiau chengsionghoa
TADA sang, Goan se-han si long ka DDT thak-cho li-li-thi. An-ne kong, Jit-gi e 'r' kap TG e 'l' si kang 1-e phonemoe, long-si flap. M-ku JG e 'd' kap TG e 'l' chiu bo-kang lou. Babuza

----- Original Message ----- From: TADA Kei ; ['@TAIGU'](https://web.archive.org/web/20051030221114/mailto:'@TAIGU' "") Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:22 AM Subject: [TGB] "ROC Enggi" kauiok suiau chengsionghoa
Khai ko, Tak-ke gau-cha. Goa leng-goa koh u siu-tioh kou-le e phoe chin tosia. Goa chu-iau si piau chok-chia chi-chhi e "he-thong" niania. TOL punlai e hiau hun-piat lo-im kap chheng-im. Goalai gi e le: b->b/m; d->l; g->g Benz -> bian-lu Ootobai -> ou-tou-bai Oden -> Ou-lian Do Re Mi -> Lo Le Mi doraibaa -> lo-lai-ba gaaze -> ga-je oshibori -> ou-si-mou-li oningyou [ang-a] -> ou-ling-gio (?) age (tam-chui beng-san) -> a-ge (?) bakku(<back) -> bak-khu setto (<set) -> siat-tou nekutai (<neck tie) -> ne-khu-tai biiru (<beer) -> bi-lu gitaa -> gi-tha raitaa -> lai-ta mootaa -> mou-ta ichiban -> i-chi-bang? kanban -> khang-bang? kaban -> kha-bang? p ->p; t->t/th; k->k/kh Ootobai -> ou-tou-bai toosan -> to-sang torakku -> thou-lak-khu kaasan -> ka-sangkimochi -> khi-mou tenpura -> thian-pu-la tako (chiong1-hi5) -> tha-kou kamera -> kha-me-la tomato -> thou-ma-tou Siu-tioh Tiong-hoa-bin-kok Kok-gi/Eng-gi kau-iok liau: d->t CD -> si-ti bye-bye -> pai-pai Che m-na si TG e bun-te. Si THBK EG kau-iok e bun-te. In-ui chiok che Taioan lang tui EG u siong-tong tiong-si. Seng-lai phah phoa chit-khoan e EG kau-iok, chiah lai soat-beng POJ (/TL) khah kan-tan, ma u i-gi. Taioan e Eng-gi kau-iok cheng-siong-hoa liau-au, TY to bo hoat-tou ke-siok kong siam-mih "Eng-gi sek" kap "Hoat-gi sek" tt. TADA

----- Original Message ----- From: Lim Jukhai ; ['@TAIGU'](https://web.archive.org/web/20051030221114/mailto:'@TAIGU' "") Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:45 AM Subject: RE: TY e lang sou-kong e "Eng-gi-sek" tosi "ROC khiuN e Enggi". Re: [TGB] 200506-08 TG LMJ luncheng (in Unicode) http://taigu.formosa.ne.jp/200506.htm
Tada Sang ham Tak-ke ho, Te-it-kai lai sia phoe. ChiaN tak-ge chi-kau. 1. Chit-khoan e cheng-li sit-chai chiok ho e. Khah-sit si JPL khah jin-chin sit-chai. 2. Lun tioh boeh ka “g” kap “k” e hun-piat, ka hou TOL. Chin-chiaN si tioh khai chin-choe e kang-hu. Si-m-si e sai chioh JPL e “l”kap “r” e le, hek-chia-si Spanish e “Z” kap “S”? VOT chin kho-hak, m-ku gu-kam boeh an-choaN ka? 2.1 VOT si boeh pun-khui Eng-gi e “g”kap “k”, iah-si boeh hun-kai Taigi e? Pun=chhut-lai liau-au, lan e 1 e tong-chok ai choe siaN? Lan ki-sit si i-keng chai-iaN chit 2 e im-sou e chha-piat, ma u chit-khoaN e gi-kam a. TY e lang, in e gi-kam chha, ma-si boeh ngi-au. 2.2 Che i-cheng (92 ni cho-iu), tioh hoat-seng koe a. Hit-chun Chheng-hoa Kang Eng-chin kau-siu in tioh-si ka-ki siuN chit-tho Tai-im-sek. Gun it-tit ka I kong “g” kah “k”, “v” kap “b”jiau-loan e chha-piat, ma-si bo hau, chi-ho mai chhap I. Bo-goa-ku in tioh hoat-heng chap-chi thui-tian in e tai-im sek. Tak-ge eng-kai chai iaN TiuN Chhun-hong kap Sim Tang-chheng e “台�Z文�W概��”to-si eng tai-im sek piau-ki e. PS: kun-ki gun-tau e khiuN khau: khi (go), hi (fish),gu/gi (language), ti (chop sticks/pigs), ti-hui (unless) i̍ teng-teng, long-si liam choe piN2-chhui3 au5-siaN, chiap kun Ko-iong khiuN e “O” im. Thau2 chit pak khui e khui, siuN khi e khi, tioh boe liam-choe chit-khoan e im lo. 真理大�W麻豆分部 教�战M 林裕�P 教�W大�侨��� Lim Jukhai 06-5703100 -6111 校址：72147 麻豆��北�堇锉��蒎�70-11��

From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of TADA Kei
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 4:50 PM
To: @TAIGU
Subject: TY e lang sou-kong e "Eng-gi-sek" tosi "ROC khiuN e Enggi". Re: [TGB] 200506-08 TG LMJ luncheng (in Unicode) http://taigu.formosa.ne.jp/200506.htm Tosia taike e koule kap chikau. Chit-pian si in-ui goa kaki ma chham-u tioh, koh kau-hoe u kui-e-a peng-iu long mng goa. Sou-i kin-ku Li Heng-chhiong ks e bang-cham kap goa e hun-lui ka tek-piat cheng-li. Cheng-li e koe-teng, goa chiah liau-kai Chi-chhi Thong-iong e lang teh kong e "Eng-gi sek" kap "Hoat-gi sek" si chi siam-mih. "Eng-gi sek" si chi "Tiong-hoa-bin-kok khiuN e Eng-gi". Tioh si "b" thak cho "p", "d" thak cho "ti", "g" thak cho "k". Goa mng 80 hoe e peng-iu, i kong: he si goa-seng Eng-gi lau-su e kau-hoat. Chit-e tai-chi hou TOL liaukai eng-kai ai u kang-hu. Goa chim teh oh iong "praat" nng-the niu VOT e hong-hoat. Khou Kek-tun in hoe e hoe-oan ma kong, i hoan-tui "Thong-iong", chan-seng ke-siok su-iong POJ. Kau-hoe e lang ma kian-gi ki-pan tho-lun hoe. TADA

----- Original Message ----- From: ; [@TAIGU](https://web.archive.org/web/20051030221114/mailto: "") Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [TGB] 200506-08 TG LMJ luncheng (in Unicode) http://taigu.formosa.ne.jp/200506.htm TADA sang, Kam-sia li iong cheng-sin cheng-li chiah-e po-choa. Chin ho e lsek-su chu-liau. Babuza

----- Original Message ----- From: TADA Kei Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 5:12 AM Subject: [TGB] 200506-08 TG LMJ luncheng (in Unicode) http://taigu.formosa.ne.jp/200506.htm http://taigu.formosa.ne.jp/200506.htm m chai 王泰��(http://www.natpa.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=27) sng 普��, ah bo sng.

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