Re: TLPA kam u su-jip nng-the?

2002-07-02
Hakkhiam hiaN :
Goa siuN-tioh 1 kiaN taichi, u 1 keng choe bang-lou teng
titchiap Eng-han hoan-ek e nngthe kongsi, kaNna
kiochoe "è­¯é¾"(?) bang-chi eng-kai si 
www.hostran.com.tw , chincheng thiaN Siule lausu 
kongkhi, nachhiuN in u suiong TLPA cho Taigu hongbin
e mihkiaN, simsi sujiphoat goa bo khakteng, ai koh 
chha 1 e.

Ungian 2002.7.2

Ti Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:34:34 +0800 e si-chun
"Tojhokchu"  sia i-ha e loe-iong :

> 1.In bo lang e-hiau tian-nau.
> 2.In iong LMJ cho chu-im, su-iong Han-ji cho bun-ji.
> Babuza
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hak-khiam 
> To:  ; Tojhokchu
> ; ungian,pchome ; keith cheng
> 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 10:38 AM
> Subject: TLPA kam u su-jip nng-the? (Re: [TGB] Sin chheh chhut pan: POJ vs.
> TLPA)
> 
> 
> > Tak-ke ho:
> >
> > TLPA it-tit kong POJ bo hah chu-sin si-tai.
> > POJ e su-jip-hoat u kui-a-tho, m-koh TLPA e su-jip-hoat kai-seng iau bo
> > khoaN tioh.
> >
> > Hak-khiam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "" 
> > To: "Tojhokchu" ; "ungian,pchome"
> > ; "keith cheng" 
> > Cc: "Hak-khiam" ; 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 2:19 PM
> > Subject: kiongsek (Re: [TGB] Sin chheh chhut pan: POJ vs. TLPA)
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tojhokchu" 
> > > To: "ungian,pchome" ; "keith cheng"
> > > 
> > > Cc: "Hak-khiam" ; ;
> > > "" 
> > > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 9:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [TGB] Sin chheh chhut pan: POJ vs. TLPA
> > >
> > >
> > > > Tai-ke CTT!
> > > > 1.Tioh!
> > > > 2.TTS e cho-lang goa sit-chai bo liau-kai,
> > > > sui-bong i bat ti Tai-oan Bun-hoa Hak-inn
> > > > ka goa ka3-koe Han-gi Im-un-hak(1994)!
> > > > Na-si cheng-keng chiah-nih ok-chit
> > > > (kong chit-khoan, cho leng-goa chit-khoan),
> > >
> > > Tang Tiongsi kausiu cholang anchoann goa ma bo liaukai. Mkoh goa iausi
> > > kiangi ai chiamtui taichi lai tholun, taute i u simmih chohoat bo
> > > sektong--e? Etang peh choa ou ji ka sia--lohlai, theh chhutlai kongkhai
> > > tholun.
> > >
> > > Chhiunn chit pai "hiongthou gigian kauhak chioan jinoan" e kanggi, te 3
> > iah
> > > iukoh leh kong "Kauiokpou kongko e 'Taioan Banlamgi Imphiau Hethong'
> ...",
> > > bengbeng cha to thiatsiau e mihkiann, 2002 ni koh theh lai kong, chit
> > chiong
> > > uihoan susit e konghoat chiann bo sektong, e haisi Taigi.
> > >
> > > Siong ho mthang chiamtui lang lai tholun, anni khiongkiann bunte e ju
> kong
> > > ju hoe, tui Taigi kohoah bo simmih pangchan.
> > >
> > > > lan u pit-iau chhoe-chhut chit-e kiong-sek lai cho guide.
> > >
> > > Kianlip kiongsek si punchiann tiohai cho e taichi, kap Tang Tiongsi
> kausiu
> > e
> > > chohoat engkai bo titai.
> > >
> > > Goa e kiangi si:
> > >
> > > (a) Khaklip "Taigi Kohoah" e goanchek.
> > >
> > > (b) Chiamtui TLPA e bunte lai kong,
> > > 1. khaklip POJ e bunji teui (liansu, iusoeh, sia bunchiunn, ...)
> > > 2. khakjim TLPA e iongtou si imphiau
> > > 3. Taigi Kohoah si ai phouphian Taigi bunji e suiong
> > > 4. POJ kap TLPA kijian iongtou bo siokang, to bo engkai theh lai pikau,
> > > logic be thong, ma bo pitiau
> > >
> > > (c) Chiamtui Taigi imphiau e bunte lai kong,
> > > 1. Taioanlang bogi igoa, u kholeng oh choan sekai kok chiong gigian
> > (pauham
> > > Pakkianngi, Enggi, ....)
> > > 2. lan suiau 1 tho chinchiann "thongiong" e imphiau, etang piautat kok
> > > chiong gigian e hoatim, anni haksip e hutam chiah e siong ke, hauko
> chiah
> > e
> > > siong koan
> > > 3. bokchian kantann IPA huhap chit e iaukiu
> > > 4. TLPA kantann sekhap Taioan bogi, kongleng bo kau
> > > 5. Thongiong uihoan giimhak e kipun siatke, huho chholoan, bo kaukeh
> > chiann
> > > cho 1 e imphiau hethong e kholu "hongan"
> > >
> > > Isiong (a), (b), (c) simsi u kholeng chiann cho "kiongsek"? Chhiann
> > > chhamkho.
> > >
> > > Kiatgak
> > >
> > >
> > > > 3.Hak-khiam kin-a-jit ti KTH khui-hoe,
> > > > u sim-mih kiat-lun/hoat-tian bo?
> > > > Babuza
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: ungian,pchome 
> > > > To: keith cheng 
> > > > Cc: Hak-khiam ; ;
> > 
> > > > 
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:56 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [TGB] Sin chheh chhut pan: POJ vs. TLPA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Takke ho :
> > > > >
> > > > > Goa si kamkah kuiNmng khui GTH si kiaN boe thong e. Chichio chhiuN
> > > > > TangTiongsi chitkhoanlang, ti li bin cheng si 1 tho, ti li aupiah
> koh
> > si
> > > > > lenggoa 1 tho, nasi kah chitkhoan lang kongoe kam u louiong ?
> > > > > JichhiaN lan simlai ma chai, na kasu hiah e lang hiahni ho kongoe,
> > > > > Taigubun boe bu kau chite khamcham.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tongjian lan tui TLPA iahsi Thongiong, lan kaki iahbo 1 e bengkhak
> > > > > e kiongsek, soui iha goa kanna kong goa kojin e siuNhoat.
> > > > >
> > > > > (1) Huho beh annoa soantek , si esai tholun e, bo 100% oanbi e
> > > > > huho, soui beh kong chittho huho u goa bai chin kantan, mkoh
> > > > > che ma boetang chengbeng lenggoa 1 tho to bo buntoe.
> > > > >
> > > > > (2) Kasu huho kengcheng e ketheng, si iong bo chengtong e
> > > > > chhiu-oan, simchi si beh ka tuihong ah loh toe (chhiuN chitma
> > > > > Tangtiongsi tui POJ e kongkek ), lan sitchai bo engkai tiN
> > > > > tiamtiam. Chhui kong e kholeng msi ho panhoat, lang iong
> > > > > sia e , pehchoa sia ouji, lan ma ai pehchoa sia ouji chiah
> > > > > u louiong.
> > > > >
> > > > > Goa kojin e kamkah si, chitma Thongiong (goa kojin jimui bo
> > > > > kahsek itsek e buntoe, thongiong kana 1 chiong) khoaNtioh
> > > > > TLPA chhiuN chiahchoe chugoan, soui in ka TLPA tongchoe
> > > > > tekjin. TLPA si ka POJ tongchoe tekjin (tongjian che msi kong
> > > > > souu chhaiiong TLPA e lang long anne, chisi bo piausi ikian
> > > > > e lang bo siaNim, u hoatsiaN e chuiau longsi tih kongkek
> > > > > POJ) si inui in kamkah POJ e chunchai e ittit uihiap TLPA
> > > > > "chengthong" e te-ui.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ungian 2002.6.28
> > > > >
> > > > > Ti Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:31:41 +0800 e si-chun
> > > > > keith cheng  sia i-ha e loe-iong :
> > > > >
> > > > > > Kok-ui hiaN-che:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > KhoaN Kiatgak hiaN tui Tang TS e bun-toaN7 an-ne jin-chin
> phe-pheng,
> > > goa
> > > > ia u koa kam-siong.
> > > > > > Khi2-thau5 khoaN-tioh chit-phiN chin hoe2 toa7. Beh sia phe-pheng,
> > koh
> > > > siuN-kong long-hui si-kan, beh
> > > > > > kong--e, cha2 tioh kong-liau--ah.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Koh leng-goa, TLPA si liong-seng e keng-cheng-chia (in teh
> thui-sak
> > > > Tai-gi chin-chiaN si chhut-lat, sui-
> > > > > > bong kong in ka7 ko3-jin5 e li-ek he ti Tai-gi e li-ek lai-bin),
> > a-si
> > > > tek-jin (chiau in an-ne bu, e ka Tai-gi bu2--
> > > > > > si2) chit-e bun-te, na-chhiuN iau-ku ti lan bang--nih bo it-ti e
> > > > siuN-hoat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chio-eng Tai-tok Thoan-the choe-kin kui-tang e hoan2-seng kap
> > > kiam-tho,
> > > > u 1-e tiong-iau e kiat-lun.
> > > > > > Tai-tok e lang phiaN-se ti kang7-khou-a lai e lang, keng2-chhut in
> e
> > > > mou5-peN, tiam-chhut in bo-
> > > > > > sun5 e sou-chai, phah hou in "giat-auh8 chhia-pun3-tau2". Kiat-ko
> > > > tek-jin ju lai ju che, tong-chi lu lai lu chio.
> > > > > > Un-tong na cho, lang na chio.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tai-gi-bun un-tong kam ia si an-ne?
> > > > > > TLPA ok-chit e sou-chai u, bo hak-sut liong-sim (ethics) e
> sou-chai
> > u,
> > > > Chi-na mentality u,........ Bai sou-chai
> > > > > > 10 ki chng2-thau5 sng be liau.
> > > > > > M-koh in kam u teh phah-piaN beh hou Tai-gi koh oah-khi-lai?
> > > > > > Chit-e bun-te siong-tong tiong-iau.
> > > > > > Na u, goa jin-ui bo su-iau ka in tong-cho tek-jin.
> > > > > > Na bo, thai5 hou si!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Put-koan an-choaN, TLPA an-choaN au3, chong-si ai hou hiah-e lang
> > > chai.
> > > > Goa kian-gi lan kam u kho-
> > > > > > leng thau-koe koan-to lai kap in khui gian-tho-hoe, cho pian-lun
> > > (phi-ju
> > > > kio Tai-lian e lip-ui khui koaiN-mng
> > > > > > e gian-tho-hoe, bo tui-goa kong-khai hit-khoan), beh thai tiam
> > > pang-keng
> > > > lai-bin thai. Mai thai chhut khi kau
> > > > > > goa-khau, khiong-kian e siah-tiau Tai-gi-bun e khi-se.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I-siong
> > > > > > Si-chong
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2002/6/27 PM 09:30:08, "" 
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: "" 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To: "Hak-khiam" ,
> 
> > > > > > > Subject:Re: [TGB] Sin chheh chhut pan: POJ vs. TLPA
> > > > > > > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:30:08 +0800
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Taike ho,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chit laite ue kong gah chiann u toli (huhap susit jichhiann
> logic
> > e
> > > > thong),
> > > > > > > ue to u bunte (bo huhap susit asi logic be thong). Chiann taike
> > > > banbana
> > > > > > > tholun.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ti chia goa seng pouchhiong 2 tiam:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. Chiahe chuliau khoann--khilai kap 1999/12/12 e Taioan Gibun
> > > > Chengchhek
> > > > > > > GTH hoatpiau--e oanchoan kangkhoan. Tosi kong, chitkoa u bunte
> e
> > > > pouhun u
> > > > > > > kihoe kaicheng, mkoh peng bo kai.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. "(33) Kah, It imphiau pikaupio" si leh pikau "Thongiong
> > Imphiau"
> > > e
> > > > > > > "Kahsek" kap "Itsek". Msi POJ vs. TLPA.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ti chia goa beh kiongtiau 2 e TLPA e bunte:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. ?å¯ä»¥ä½¿èºç£ é©åèªåå®¢å®¶è©±åè
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Che si 1 e kipun e bunte: taute simmih si TLPA? I e hoanui kau
> > > tohui?
> > > > TLPA e
> > > > > > > chuliau tui che long bo kong chhengchho.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chiau chit ku oe, engkai si u pauham GCB gigian. Mkoh Kauiokpou
> > > > kongpou--e
> > > > > > > sitche siong iau msi 1 e hongan. (esai anchoann, esai anchoann,
> > ...
> > > > bo
> > > > > > > bengkhak tengchhut 1 e hongan.
> > > <http://www.edu.tw/mandr/bbs/1-4-4.htm>)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. 2.æè²é¨å
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Che si lenggoa 1 e kipun e bunte: siatke TLPA e bokphiau si
> > siann?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chiau chit ku oe, TLPA si beh tongcho imphiau lai suiong. Na
> > anni,
> > > i
> > > > e
> > > > > > > siatke sitche siong bo tatkau i e bokphiau.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mtann i e im bo chun nia (chit tiam chiann taike banbana
> tholun),
> > u
> > > e
> > > > im
> > > > > > > TLPA ma betang piausi (chhiann mng: kejipsiann, te "8" siann e
> > > > piantiau,
> > > > > > > TLPA beh anchoann piausi), kohkhah tiongiau--e si TLPA kinpun
> to
> > bo
> > > > chunchai
> > > > > > > e pitiau.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chhiann siunn khoannmai, 1 phinn lunbun laite sia "oo", "ee",
> > "er",
> > > > ...
> > > > > > > khoann e lang beh anchoann chaiiann i e chengkhak hoatim? Simsi
> > koh
> > > > ai eng
> > > > > > > IPA (kokche imphiau) lai piausi. Na anni, eng IPA lai piausi
> > > imphiau
> > > > to ho--
> > > > > > > a, na tioh eng TLPA?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > TLPA kholeng iukoh si lenggoa 1 tho pophomofo, kiann be chhut
> > > Taioan.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > TLPA ti haksutkai eng khah che, mchai Taioan e haksutkai nah e
> > > > chiapsiu eng
> > > > > > > TLPA lai sia lunbun? Phahsng bo beh hou kokche siong e hakchia
> > > khoann
> > > > u?
> > > > > > > Phahsng TLPA betang piausi e hoanui to bian giankiu--a?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Isiong,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kiatgak
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: Hak-khiam
> > > > > > > To: 
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:07 PM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Subject: [TGB] Sin chheh chhut pan: POJ vs. TLPA
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tak-ke ho:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Choe-kin khoaN chit pun sin-chheh.
> > > > > > > U kong tioh POJ kap TLPA. Chhau pou-hun hou tak-ke khoaN mai
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