Gi-gian tong-jian si chu-jian ian-pian, gi-gian hak-ka put-ko si khi ka describe chhut-lai. In-ui si chu-jian sou-i e san-seng symetry kap beauty (che-si gi-gian hak-kai e kiat-lun), na-si gian-kiu chhut-lai e kiat-ko bo hah chit 2 e goan-chek hit e gian-kiu chiu bo hah chu-jian, chiu u bun-te. Lan teh kong POJ khah ho, chiu-si i e chu-im tou kap bo-im tou5 (long-si phoneme m-si phone) long chin peng-heng, chin sui, chin chu-jian.

From: "" To: "Li khinhoann" , , , , , Subject: Re: gigian pikau, goalaigi (Re: imchathoa (Re: "ma" e hoatim (Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN)))) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:07:00 +0800

Gi-gian hak-ka e khang-koe ai ka kong hit e gi-gian e lang nau lai-te u joa che im-sou (chu-im, bo-im) gian-kiu chhut-lai, pai-liat > hou chin sui, chin peng-heng (li-lun-siong eng-kai chin sui chin peng-heng, na bo tui-chhin3 ai kai-soeh hit e gap ui-ho e san-seng).

Che kam chinchiaN si gigian hakka e khangkhoe?

1. Gigian msi anne hengseng--e.

2. Anne cho--chhutlai e giankiu sengko taike ma bo itteng e chiapsiu.

3. Gigian si chujian ianpian--chhutlai-e, sui bo sui, pengheng bo pengheng peng msi gigian e iausou.

Loulat.

Kiatgak ----- Original Message ----- From: Li khinhoann To: ; Kiatgak ; ; ; ;
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:52 PM Subject: Re: gigian pikau, goalaigi (Re: imchathoa (Re: "ma" e hoatim (Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN))))

Sit-le, goa e phonemic pheng m-tioh khi.

Sun-soa, ke ki chit e le. Pi-ju kong, Eng-gi lai-te e glottal stop (lan ti Tai-gi jip-siaN e h) m-si phonemic, sou-i sui-jian kong Eng-gi e lang ki-sit kong-oe u glottal stop (e.g., in teh kong oh-oh, apple… ); ki-sit si kong oh? oh?, ?apple (Tai-gi e h tai-piau glottal stop, IPA si iong ? bo e-kha hit tiam). Put-ko in kin-pun m-chai, in e nau lai-te bo chit-e mih-kiaN, sou-i m-si phonemic (m-si im-sou).

Mui chit chiong gi-gian u i it-teng e im-sou, chiu-si kong chit khoan oe e lang in nau tai-te u e gi-im, put-ko kap in sit-che-siong chhui kong chhut-lai e gi-im bo it-teng oan-choan sio-siang. Hoa-gi e po, pho, mo, fo e ke hiah-che chu-im chhut-lai chiu-si in m-chai phone kap phoneme e chha-piat. Tai-gi ma u lang be-hiau an-ne hun, chiu kah im-pian liau e im ke cho chit-e im-sou chhut-lai (e.g., /ch/ kap /chh/ au-piah na si /i/, in-ui e palatalization, in tioh liah-chun kong in thau-cheng e chu-im si bo kang chit-e, beh piau-ki bo kang). Goa chhiaN ki-le kong, 1 e gin-a khi ti bai e khoan-keng, pian bo kang khi, ma-si li e gin-a, soah kong si pat-e gin-a!

Gi-gian hak-ka e khang-koe ai ka kong hit e gi-gian e lang nau lai-te u joa che im-sou (chu-im, bo-im) gian-kiu chhut-lai, pai-liat hou chin sui, chin peng-heng (li-lun-siong eng-kai chin sui chin peng-heng, na bo tui-chhin3 ai kai-soeh hit e gap ui-ho e san-seng). Na-si thiaN tioh chit e siaN-im tioh kong i u hit e chu-im iah-si bo-im, an-ne m-bian gi-gian hak-ka lai cho, hiN-khang khah ho e lang tioh e-sai ah.

peng-an, khinhoaN

Chu-im chiu-si chu-im, chu-im im-chiat-hoa (syllabic) be-tang kong chiu-si bo-im, i si chit e syllabic consonant (im-chiat-hoa e chu-im). Tai-gi lai-te kan-na u m, ng e im-chiat-hoa bo ki-thaN e im e im-chiat-hoa. Ki-tha e im na-si u lang kong-oe ka i im-chiat-hoa ma be-tang kong si Tai-gi u chit e im-chiat-hoa e im (in-ui in m-si phoneimci, m-si im-sou, si bo i-gi e (not meaningful).

From: "Hok-chu" Reply-To: "Hok-chu" To: "" , "keith cheng" , ?ååç?, "Hak-khiam" , "Taigu \(Taiwanese Net\)" Subject: Re: gigian pikau, goalaigi (Re: imchathoa (Re: "ma" e hoatim (Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN)))) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:26:41 +0800

U to-li! M-ku goa iau-si m-bat thiann lang ka 'n' kong-cho si bo-im. (Iau5 Cheng3-to7 bok-su e chheh khak-sit kong 'n' si bo-im.) Lan teh ka TGB e si, tau-te beh an-choann kong? 'm' kap 'ng' kong im-chat-hoa, 'n' ma beh an-ne kong? Babuza ----- Original Message ----- From:
To: Hokkchu ; keith cheng ; ?ååç?; Hak-khiam ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 12:06 PM Subject: gigian pikau, goalaigi (Re: imchathoa (Re: "ma" e hoatim (Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN))))

Lan kiam-si teh tho-lun Tai-gi? A-si teh tho-lun Hoa-gi/Hoat-gi sim-chi IPA?

Si leh tholun Taigi bo mtioh. Mkoh

1. Taigi masi "lang e gigian", betang uihoan itpoaN gigianhak e kuichek. Ui patchiong gigian kap IPA etang hou lan kohkhah liaukai lan kati e gigian.

2. Taigi u chiaN che goalaigi, beh anchoaN kong, anchoaN sia, long si Taigi ai bintui e bunte. Tekpiat si Hoagi, POJ beh anchoaN susia ui Hoagi lai e goalaigi? (Sia Hanji/HL etang thauchiahpou: sia Hanji kio lang kati thak. Anni, bo chinchiaN kaikoat bunte.)

Loulat.

Kiatgak

----- Original Message ----- From: Hokkchu To: keith cheng ; ; ?ååç?; Hak-khiam ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:11 PM Subject: Re: imchathoa (Re: "ma" e hoatim (Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN)))

Lan kiam-si teh tho-lun Tai-gi? A-si teh tho-lun Hoa-gi/Hoat-gi sim-chi IPA?

Goa kan-tann liau-kai TGB nai. Chhun..e, goa m-kann kong. Babuza ----- Original Message ----- From: keith cheng To: ; Hok-chu ; ?ååç?; Hak-khiam ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 5:56 PM Subject: Re: imchathoa (Re: "ma" e hoatim (Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN)))

Kok-ui;

Kiatgak hiaN kong liau bo m-tioh. "n" tek-khak e-sai imchat-hoa. M-koh POJ bo an-ne sia. Hoa-gi tioh chin-che. Chhin-chhiuN ebin "é Ô͘?quot; e Hoa-gi hoatim na beh eng POJ sia, e-sai sia-cho "sn" "??quot; e HG hoatim siacho "sng" Hoagi bo "sm"

Sichong

----- Original Message ----- From:
To: Hok-chu ; ?ååç?; Hak-khiam ; keith cheng ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:41 AM Subject: imchathoa (Re: "ma" e hoatim (Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN)))

hak-sut-siong ai ka chheng-hou cho im1chat5hoa3(syllabized). Na-si 'n', choat-tui m-si!

Mchai "n" choattui msi simmih?

"n" kisit ma etang imchathoa.

In-ui 'n' be-tang tan-tok cho su5.

"su5"?

"n" etang imchathoa, tongjian etang tantok cho su. Chengchha Holo Taigi bo anni eng nia. (Kisit khaugi u, bo lang sia--chhutlai nia.)

Chit-e koan-liam, ti lan TGB kai na-chhiunn iau chin-che lang bo chheng-chho. Iua-koh ka n kio-cho un-bo(bo-im).

Anni kong tianto e hoe--khi.

(1) "m, ng" punchiaN tosi "unbo" bo mtioh.

(2) "m, ng" si "imchathoa e chuim, tongcho boim eng"; kong in si "boim" ma betang kong mtioh.

(3) "m, ng si imchathoa e chuim" si siong oancheng e konghoat. (khah tng--chitsuta)

Loulat.

Kiatgak

----- Original Message ----- From: Hok-chu To: ?ååç?; ; Hak-khiam ; keith cheng ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:16 AM Subject: Re: "ma" e hoatim (Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN))

3.m n ng khah hokchap ,e-sai-chit cho siaNbo ,phiNim unboe unbo .

'M' kap 'ng' e-tang tan-tok cho su, chhiunn m2, m5, m7, ng1, ng1, ng3, ng5, ng7. an-ne thang sng si 'bo-im'. M-ku Khin-hoann hiann ka goa kong, hak-sut-siong ai ka chheng-hou cho im1chat5hoa3(syllabized). Na-si 'n', choat-tui m-si! In-ui 'n' be-tang tan-tok cho su5. Chit-e koan-liam, ti lan TGB kai na-chhiunn iau chin-che lang bo chheng-chho. Iua-koh ka n kio-cho un-bo(bo-im). Bong chham-kho. Babuza

----- Original Message ----- From: ?ååç?> To: ; Hak-khiam ; keith cheng ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:16 PM Subject: Re: "ma" e hoatim (Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN))

Kiatgak hiaN kap tak-e pengan: kengkoe anni e tholun ,hou goa kohjin u chin 1 pou e liaukai kap simtek. chitmai goa lai poko goa e sim-tek: 1.baN/laN/gaN si 15 im e siat-ke ,chin-liong mai kap POJ lam-leh kong .na beh hou-siong cho pi-kau chiah u suiau tholun. 2.POJ e m n ng kap b l g si u phiNim kap bo phiNim echhapiat . 3.m n ng khah hokchap ,e-sai-chit cho siaNbo ,phiNim unboe unbo . 4.n kohkhah tekpiat ,khngti thaucheng si siaNbo ,khngti aupiah si unbo ,siosia si phiNhoa boim . 5.siaNbo chi-u chhui-heng ,bo siaNim ,si hoat-im cheng e chhui-heng ;un-bo u siaN koh u chhui-heng ;sio n e phiNim ,chi-si phiNim e huho ,theh-chheN Li chit-im si phiN-im ,sou-i hoat-siaN 1 khai-si tio-si phiNim ,m-si un-boe . 6.sou-i:ma/m-a;am/a-m ;na/[n-a];an/[a-n]aN;nga/ng-a;ang/a-ng e hoat-im ,long bo-kang-khoan . i-siong e kong-hoat ,m-chai tho-tong--bo ,chhiaN chi-kau . Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From:
To: ?ååç?; Hak-khiam ; keith cheng ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:55 AM Subject: "ma" e hoatim (Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN))

Siau ls kap taike pengan,

Kipunsiong, che si 1 e chiaN kipun e hoatim bunte. Na ehiau hou "b, m", koh ehiau hou "a, aN", to etang hou 4 chiong bokang e imchat "ba, baN, ma, maN".

Eng "ma" cho le: to chiau itpoaN e houim kuichek, seng hou "m" [m?] koh hou "a" [a], seng liam khah ban--leh, chiah koh liam khah kin--leh, to etang hou "ma" e im--a. Ai chu-i aupiah e "a" mthang hou thaucheng e "m" enghiong--tioh.

HukiaN si Engkok 2 e giimhak ks (John Wells kap Jill House) leh ka lang hoatim. ChhiaN thiaN khoaNmai, khoaN kap Taigi e "ma" u simmih chengchha.

Loulat.

Kiatgak

----- Original Message ----- From: "?ååç?quot; To: "" ; "Hak-khiam" ; "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)" Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:38 PM Subject: Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN)

baN ma ,laN na ,nga gaN e hoat-im ,bo-kang e sou-chai si phiN-siaN khng-ti thau-cheng iah-si au-piah e bun-te ,hoat-siaN liau-au e kiat-ko si kang-khoan--e

Mtioh. "ba, baN, ma, maN" hoatsiaN liauau e kiatko 4 e long bo kang. Kiohsi "baN, ma" hoatim siosiang si inui Taioanlang koansi ka in thakcho kangkhoan e hoatim "maN". chit-tiam goa kam-kak be-chhut--lai . Lah-jih

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