Hak-khiam: Beh chheng-kau chu2-im "b" vs "m", "g" vs "ng", l" vs "n" e bun-te. Chiau goa sou chai, bo2-im si sang3-khui3, bo chou2-tong3. Chu2-im si eng khau2-khiong a2-si7 siaN-mng5 lai-bin chiong2-chiong2 e kiat-kou3 lai chou2-tong3. Na-chun si an-ne, "b" kap "m" 2-e chu2-im chou2-tong3 e ui3-ti3 eng-kai bo kang7. Tong-jian "ba" kap "ma" bo kang. Na7 "ba" vs "baN" si chiong7 "a" pian3-cho3 phiN-im hoa3 "aN", chou2-tong3 e hong-sek iau-ku si "b". Na7 "baN" vs "ma": 2-im chho2-chho2--a liam--khi-lai na2-chhiuN7 si kang-khoan, m-koh hoat-im chou2-tong3 e ui3-ti3 chit-e si "b", chit-e si "ma" iau-ioh si u chha. Teng-bin e hun-sek si chiau3 gi-im pun-sin lai-kong.

Na si gi2-i3, Taigi bo tek-piat ka "ma" kap "baN" cho khu-piat.
Ki-tha u phiN-bo-im e gigian chhin-chhiuN Hoat-gi, to u khu-piat. Hoat-im
bo-kang, piau1-chu3-im-hoat bo-kang, i3-gi ia bo-kang.
M-chai kang-khoan u phiN-bo-im e Oat-lam-gi an-choaN, chhiaN Ui-bun hiaN
chi2-cheng3.

Tosia.

Sichong



----- Original Message -----
From: "Hak-khiam" 
To: "" ; "霅撟單祥" ;
"keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"

Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN


> Goa kong liau chin thiu-hiong, kho-leng bo ho liau-kai.
> Iong le lai kong hoan-se khah chheng-chho.
>
> bi7 biN7 mi7
> ga5 gaN5 nga5
> la7 laN7 na7
>
> Chit 3 e le, kam m-si boe-a hit 2 e thak kang-khoan, kah bo phiN-im e
> bo-kang.
> biN kah mi si kang-khoan e.
>
> Hak-khiam
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:  
> To: Hak-khiam ; 霅撟單祥 ; keith
> cheng ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) 
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
>
>
> > > [b][l][g] kah [m][n][ng] si im-ui pian-the -5&lE\Ei!CChit 2 chou im na

> ka
> > > lam cho-hoe Tai-gi e siaN-bo tioh si 15 im, na ka hun-khui tioh u 18 e
> > > siaN-bo.
> >
> > "p, ph", "t, th", "k, kh", "ch, chh" si sikan e pianthe. "leng siaNbo"
si
> bo
> > siaNbo.
> >
> > Ka chit 5 e khautiau, Taigi kanna chhun 10 e siaNbo.
> >
> > > [b][l][g] na ti phiN-im un-bo ;s-5C}%@ kah goan-im phiN-hoa un-bo
> $8-5;s$F
> > C}
> > >  tioh e pian-cho [m][n][ng] .
> >
> > Anni si tianto thau kong. KhoaN Sichong thehkiong e le to chaiiaN, "b,
l,
> g"
> > be piancho "m, n, ng".
> >
> > "banc"(i2-liau5 e i3-su3) hoat-im chiap-kin Taigi e "baN"
> > "long"(tng5 e i-su) hoat-im si "loN"
> > "gond" (mng5 e au1-liu2) hoat-im si "goN"
> >
> > Susit engkai si Taigi e hoatim si "m-, n-, ng-", u lang ka i siacho
"b-N,
> > l-N, g-N".
> >
> > Lenggoa, "l" phiNimhoa ma msi "n".
> >
> > > [m][n][ng] na si ti hui phiN-hoa goan-im un-bo kah jip-siaN un-bo
> > > chin-cheng, tioh e pian-cho [b][l][g] .
> >
> > ???
> >
> > "ma" e hoatim be piancho "ba iah baN", "na" ma be piancho "la iah laN",
> "ga"
> > ma be piancho "nga iah gaN".
> >
> > Kijian Chan Kimkim ks u eng gikhi pong--koe, chengau hoatim u khupiat
> engkai
> > si bo siaN bunte.
> >
> > > Kan-tan-kong, u bo phiN-im e tioh iong b, l, g, u phiN-im tioh iong m,
> n,
> > > ng. Ai chu-i e si c.c. "ma", "nga" au-piah e "a" ki-sit long u phiN-im
> > "aN",
> > > in-ui si e-tang u-chhek e lan long ka seng-liok.
> >
> > Che si POJ susia Holooe e kuichek (koansi), msi hoatim e kuichek.
Pitkeng
> > "ma, maN, baN" iausi bo kang e hoatim.
> >
> > ChhiaN chikau.
> >
> > Kiatgak
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hak-khiam" 
> > To: "?=%-*v" ; ""
> ;
> > "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"
> > 
> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:55 AM
> > Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
> >
> >
> > Tak-ke ho:
> >
> > [b][l][g] kah [m][n][ng] si im-ui pian-the -5&lE\Ei!CChit 2 chou im na
ka
> > lam cho-hoe Tai-gi e siaN-bo tioh si 15 im, na ka hun-khui tioh u 18 e
> > siaN-bo.
> >
> > [b][l][g] na ti phiN-im un-bo ;s-5C}%@ kah goan-im phiN-hoa un-bo
> $8-5;s$FC}
> >  tioh e pian-cho [m][n][ng] . biN7= mi7, [b] in-ui au-piah
> > phiN-im e eng-hiong chu-jian e pian-cho [m].
> >
> > [m][n][ng] na si ti hui phiN-hoa goan-im un-bo kah jip-siaN un-bo
> > chin-cheng, tioh e pian-cho [b][l][g] .
> >
> > Kan-tan-kong, u bo phiN-im e tioh iong b, l, g, u phiN-im tioh iong m,
n,
> > ng. Ai chu-i e si c.c. "ma", "nga" au-piah e "a" ki-sit long u phiN-im
> "aN",
> > in-ui si e-tang u-chhek e lan long ka seng-liok.
> >
> > Hak-khiam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ?=%-*v 
> > To:  ; keith cheng
> > ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) 
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
> >
> >
> > > Tak-e pengan:
> > > POJ e siat-ke kan-na u ma na nga ,bo baN laN gaN .
> > > baN laN gaN eng-kai si ui Sip-ngou-im (Lui-im po-kam )lai--e ,15 im
liu
> > pian
> > > kiu khi te pho tha cheng jip si ....,long-chong chiah 15 e siaN-bo ,I
ka
> b
> > > ke N tong-cho ma,ka l ke N tong-cho na,ka g ke N tong-cho nga .
> > > Lah-jih
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "" 
> > > To: "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"
> > > 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:20 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
> > >
> > >
> > > > 1. Gigian e bunte chiaN che long si soantekseng--e (soan 1 hang,
taike
> > > > koansi i-au to chiau leh eng).
> > > >
> > > > 2. Kijian "m-", "n-", "ng-" eng chiah ku--a, ma bo simmih toa bunte,
> > > sitchai
> > > > bo pitiau koh siacho "b-N", "l-N", "g-N".
> > > >
> > > > 3. POJ beh piauchunhoa, bunji sitchai bo pitiau hoaneng khauim e
> siokhoa
> > > > chengchha.
> > > >
> > > > 4. Chiau itpoaN e goanchek, isu na bo chengchha kinpun bo pitiau ti
> > > subingi
> > > > cho khupiat. (chai lang thak, thiaN u to ho) ChhiuN "tsa" siacho
> "cha"
> > to
> > > > ho.
> > > >
> > > > 5. Kong "ma = baN", "na = laN", "nga = gaN" sitchai u bunte, he si
bo
> > > > kangkhoaN e im, betang kong in siosiang (beh to kong in si siooa e
> im).
> > > >
> > > > 6. Taigi sitche e hoatim engkai si "maN", "naN", "ngaN" (kui e
imchat
> > long
> > > > phiNimhoa).
> > > >
> > > > Isiong si goa chu-i chit e bunte chiaN ku i-au e chitkoa kiatlun,
> chhiaN
> > > > taike chhamkho. Ma ngbang na u pian kauchai e lang, mthang hou
> thokchia
> > > > chhongou e koanliam. Loulat.
> > > >
> > > > Kiatgak
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "keith cheng" 
> > > > To: "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)" 
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 4:47 PM
> > > > Subject: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Kok-ui hiaN-che:
> > > > >
> > > > > Khan-siap tioh POJ/TOJ e piau-chun-hoa chit-e issue, u chit-e
bun-te
> > beh
> > > > > chheng-kau tai-ke.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chin-che lang(pau-koat choe-kin Hongtin che e LMJ powerpoint
> > kau-chai),
> > > > long
> > > > > ka "nga/gaN", "na/laN", "ma/baN" sia-cho si kang-khoan. Chit-e
> bun-te
> > > > > chin3-cheng u Hokchu, Lah-jih, Kiat-gak hiaN ia bat the-chhut
> i-kian.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chit-khoan "issue" ki-sit ti u "phiN-bo-im" e gi-gian long u,
> > > chhin-chhiuN
> > > > > Hoat-gi. M-koh Hoat-gi e chit-2-chou, u-e u gi2-i3 e cheng-chha.
> > Tai-gi
> > > > > chit-e-chou gi-i kho-leng bo chengchha(?bo khak-teng), m-koh ti
> > > > > piau-chun-hoa e lip-tiuN iau-ku si ai soan-tek chit-chiong lai
eng.
> > > > >
> > > > > Eng2-pai bat chheng-kau koe Khin-hoaN hiaN, u kong-khi "nga" kap
> > "gaN",
> > > > "na"
> > > > > kap "laN", "ma" kap "baN" hoat-im siong si bo kang--e. Chha-piat
si
> > > > > chit-khai-si e hoat-im ui7-ti3 bo kang.
> > > > > "nga" tui "ng" e ui-ti khai-si. "gaN" tui "g" e ui-ti khai-si,
etc.
> > > > > Chiau goa e hoat-im, "nga2-khi3" chiah tioh, m-si "gaN2-khi3",
etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Leng-goa Khin-hoaN hiaN ia u the-khi Chan Kim-kim ks. bat ti
Hawaii
> > > Taihak
> > > > > eng ki-khi chhek-koe, tek-khak si "nga" m-si "gaN".
> > > > >
> > > > > I-siong
> > > > > Sichong
> > > > >
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