[b][l][g] kah [m][n][ng] si im-ui pian-the -5&lE\Ei!CChit 2 chou im na ka > lam cho-hoe Tai-gi e siaN-bo tioh si 15 im, na ka hun-khui tioh u 18 e > siaN-bo.

"p, ph", "t, th", "k, kh", "ch, chh" si sikan e pianthe. "leng siaNbo" si bo
siaNbo.

Ka chit 5 e khautiau, Taigi kanna chhun 10 e siaNbo.

> [b][l][g] na ti phiN-im un-bo ;s-5C}%@ kah goan-im phiN-hoa un-bo $8-5;s$F
C}
>  tioh e pian-cho [m][n][ng] .

Anni si tianto thau kong. KhoaN Sichong thehkiong e le to chaiiaN, "b, l, g"
be piancho "m, n, ng".

"banc"(i2-liau5 e i3-su3) hoat-im chiap-kin Taigi e "baN"
"long"(tng5 e i-su) hoat-im si "loN"
"gond" (mng5 e au1-liu2) hoat-im si "goN"

Susit engkai si Taigi e hoatim si "m-, n-, ng-", u lang ka i siacho "b-N,
l-N, g-N".

Lenggoa, "l" phiNimhoa ma msi "n".

> [m][n][ng] na si ti hui phiN-hoa goan-im un-bo kah jip-siaN un-bo
> chin-cheng, tioh e pian-cho [b][l][g] .

???

"ma" e hoatim be piancho "ba iah baN", "na" ma be piancho "la iah laN", "ga"
ma be piancho "nga iah gaN".

Kijian Chan Kimkim ks u eng gikhi pong--koe, chengau hoatim u khupiat engkai
si bo siaN bunte.

> Kan-tan-kong, u bo phiN-im e tioh iong b, l, g, u phiN-im tioh iong m, n,
> ng. Ai chu-i e si c.c. "ma", "nga" au-piah e "a" ki-sit long u phiN-im
"aN",
> in-ui si e-tang u-chhek e lan long ka seng-liok.

Che si POJ susia Holooe e kuichek (koansi), msi hoatim e kuichek. Pitkeng
"ma, maN, baN" iausi bo kang e hoatim.

ChhiaN chikau.

Kiatgak

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hak-khiam" 
To: "?=%-*v" ; "" ;
"keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"

Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN


Tak-ke ho:

[b][l][g] kah [m][n][ng] si im-ui pian-the -5&lE\Ei!CChit 2 chou im na ka
lam cho-hoe Tai-gi e siaN-bo tioh si 15 im, na ka hun-khui tioh u 18 e
siaN-bo.

[b][l][g] na ti phiN-im un-bo ;s-5C}%@ kah goan-im phiN-hoa un-bo $8-5;s$FC}
 tioh e pian-cho [m][n][ng] . biN7= mi7, [b] in-ui au-piah
phiN-im e eng-hiong chu-jian e pian-cho [m].

[m][n][ng] na si ti hui phiN-hoa goan-im un-bo kah jip-siaN un-bo
chin-cheng, tioh e pian-cho [b][l][g] .

Kan-tan-kong, u bo phiN-im e tioh iong b, l, g, u phiN-im tioh iong m, n,
ng. Ai chu-i e si c.c. "ma", "nga" au-piah e "a" ki-sit long u phiN-im "aN",
in-ui si e-tang u-chhek e lan long ka seng-liok.

Hak-khiam




----- Original Message -----
From: ?=%-*v 
To:  ; keith cheng
; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) 
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN


> Tak-e pengan:
> POJ e siat-ke kan-na u ma na nga ,bo baN laN gaN .
> baN laN gaN eng-kai si ui Sip-ngou-im (Lui-im po-kam )lai--e ,15 im liu
pian
> kiu khi te pho tha cheng jip si ....,long-chong chiah 15 e siaN-bo ,I ka b
> ke N tong-cho ma,ka l ke N tong-cho na,ka g ke N tong-cho nga .
> Lah-jih
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "" 
> To: "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
>
>
> > 1. Gigian e bunte chiaN che long si soantekseng--e (soan 1 hang, taike
> > koansi i-au to chiau leh eng).
> >
> > 2. Kijian "m-", "n-", "ng-" eng chiah ku--a, ma bo simmih toa bunte,
> sitchai
> > bo pitiau koh siacho "b-N", "l-N", "g-N".
> >
> > 3. POJ beh piauchunhoa, bunji sitchai bo pitiau hoaneng khauim e siokhoa
> > chengchha.
> >
> > 4. Chiau itpoaN e goanchek, isu na bo chengchha kinpun bo pitiau ti
> subingi
> > cho khupiat. (chai lang thak, thiaN u to ho) ChhiuN "tsa" siacho "cha"
to
> > ho.
> >
> > 5. Kong "ma = baN", "na = laN", "nga = gaN" sitchai u bunte, he si bo
> > kangkhoaN e im, betang kong in siosiang (beh to kong in si siooa e im).
> >
> > 6. Taigi sitche e hoatim engkai si "maN", "naN", "ngaN" (kui e imchat
long
> > phiNimhoa).
> >
> > Isiong si goa chu-i chit e bunte chiaN ku i-au e chitkoa kiatlun, chhiaN
> > taike chhamkho. Ma ngbang na u pian kauchai e lang, mthang hou thokchia
> > chhongou e koanliam. Loulat.
> >
> > Kiatgak
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "keith cheng" 
> > To: "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)" 
> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 4:47 PM
> > Subject: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
> >
> >
> > > Kok-ui hiaN-che:
> > >
> > > Khan-siap tioh POJ/TOJ e piau-chun-hoa chit-e issue, u chit-e bun-te
beh
> > > chheng-kau tai-ke.
> > >
> > > Chin-che lang(pau-koat choe-kin Hongtin che e LMJ powerpoint
kau-chai),
> > long
> > > ka "nga/gaN", "na/laN", "ma/baN" sia-cho si kang-khoan. Chit-e bun-te
> > > chin3-cheng u Hokchu, Lah-jih, Kiat-gak hiaN ia bat the-chhut i-kian.
> > >
> > > Chit-khoan "issue" ki-sit ti u "phiN-bo-im" e gi-gian long u,
> chhin-chhiuN
> > > Hoat-gi. M-koh Hoat-gi e chit-2-chou, u-e u gi2-i3 e cheng-chha.
Tai-gi
> > > chit-e-chou gi-i kho-leng bo chengchha(?bo khak-teng), m-koh ti
> > > piau-chun-hoa e lip-tiuN iau-ku si ai soan-tek chit-chiong lai eng.
> > >
> > > Eng2-pai bat chheng-kau koe Khin-hoaN hiaN, u kong-khi "nga" kap
"gaN",
> > "na"
> > > kap "laN", "ma" kap "baN" hoat-im siong si bo kang--e. Chha-piat si
> > > chit-khai-si e hoat-im ui7-ti3 bo kang.
> > > "nga" tui "ng" e ui-ti khai-si. "gaN" tui "g" e ui-ti khai-si, etc.
> > > Chiau goa e hoat-im, "nga2-khi3" chiah tioh, m-si "gaN2-khi3", etc.
> > >
> > > Leng-goa Khin-hoaN hiaN ia u the-khi Chan Kim-kim ks. bat ti Hawaii
> Taihak
> > > eng ki-khi chhek-koe, tek-khak si "nga" m-si "gaN".
> > >
> > > I-siong
> > > Sichong
> > >
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> >
> >
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>
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