Tak-ke ho: Goa khah han-tit khoaN lang sia "toh8" lai piau-si "chiu7" e i-su, tai-pou-hun khoaN tioh e si "to7". Goa iong Un-gian hiaN e concordancer khi chha "toh8" kah "to7", kiat-ko to7 u 511 e le, iong "toh8" e kan-ta 135 e le, ki-tiong khah che long-si iong ti hoe teh toh8 e "toh8". http://203.64.42.21/TG/guliaukhou/ Sia "toh8" ah-si "to7" pian-tiau liau-au to long kang-khoan si te 3 siaN. Goa siuN beh sia LMJ e si-chun khah tiong-iau e kho-lu si beh an-choaN hou i i-su khah beng leh, goa kam-kak sia "to7" khah iong-i kah "hoe teh toh8" e "toh8" hun-khui. Phi-ju-kong na beh sia"goa khoaN-tioh i hoe chiu7 toh8." sia cho "goa khoaN-tioh i hoe to7 toh8."e pi "goa khoaN-tioh i hoe toh8 toh8" khah chheng-chho. Goa kong LMJ chui an-choaN-kong tioh an-choaN sia chu-iau si kah HJ pi-kau, LMJ khah iong-i piau-si khau-im, HJ hit ji "tioh8" chit e ji kui-a-e im kah i-su, bo chhiuN LMJ hiah-nih chheng-chho piau-im. Piau-chun-hoa tong-jian tiong-iau, tak-ke thak-sia e it-ti thak-sia long hong-pian. M-koh piau-chun-hoa ma m-bian ta- siuN-nge, ke-kiam hoan-eng sit-che e khau-im e-tang hou thak-chia ke-kiam liau-kai chok-chia e poe-keng. U-tang-si-a bo piau-chun-hoa tian-to khah u tng-seh e kong-kan u khah-che hong-keh thang-ho piau-tat. Tui goa lai-kong goa na tehsia khah cheng-sek e mih-kiaN goa e iong "tioh8", sia khah khau-gi khah hui-cheng-sek e mih-kiaN sia "to7". Goa teh su-iong "kap" & "kah" ma-si an-ne, goa kam-kak gi-im jiok-hoa e gu-su si khah khau-gi e, goan-te e gi-im khah siok-ti su-bin-gi. I-siong. Hak-khiam

----- Original Message ----- From: KhinhoaN Li ; levin ; [Taigu Group](https://web.archive.org/web/20060117072858/mailto: "") Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [TGB] to7 ? toh8 ?
Hak-khiam kap Tak-e ho:

Hak-khiam ki IuN Siu-hong k.s. e le chin sim-sek, ka-su IuN kau-siu e gian-kiu na-si tioh e, an-ne e-sai iong lai cho m-thang iong Han-ji su-sia e le. In-ui sia lai sia khi longsi kang 1 ji Han-ji. Put-ko beh kong chia e pun-ji long-si kang 1 e, goa khoaN bo to-li. "Ti7" si lek-su gi-gian hak-ka (Reid, Paul Li etc) long jin-ui si Lam-to-gi e lai-goan. Goa chhiu-tiong e Siraya Seng-keng kap Sin-kang bun-su e "hoan-a-khe" lai-te ma-si kap Holo oe kan-khoan, khong-kan kap si-kan e kai-su (preposition) long si ti7. Chiau-kong kai-su ti gi-su i-chioh (borrowing) lai-te si chin bo kho-leng i-chioh e, sou-i goa chin hoai-i Ho-lo-oe u kho-leng goan-pun m-si Han-gi. Au-lai pian-cho Han-gi si Han-hoa e kiat-ko.

Lan m-si teh tho-lun Han-ji e pun-ji. Lan si teh tho-lun na-si beh sia hou piau-chun-hoa (it-ti) eng-kai sia-cho an-choaN khah ho. Hak-khiam kong sia LMJ e ho-chhu chiu-si kong an-choaN kong chiu sia an-choaN, che goa bo tong-i. Te 1, lan m-si sia pian-tiau, lan si sia pun-tiau, sou-i ai chai-iaN pun-tiau si sim-mih. Pi-ju "An-ne sia2 to3 ho2" chit ku, lan m-si sia-cho an-ne, lan ai chai-iaN si sia cho "An-ne sia2 to7 ho2" iah-si "An-ne sia2 toh8 ho2". Te 2, lan su-iau piau-chun-hoa, sia hou it-ti, lan si teh sia bun-ji, m-si teh hou-im nia. Pi-ju-kong, goan Tai-lam lang u "oN" e khiuN-khau, "siuN" goan kong "sioN", "chhiuN" goan kong "chhioN" etc. Put-ko goa m-bat khi sia chit-e khiuN-khau, in-ui bun-ji su-iau piau-chun-hoa. Goa beh chin-liong chiau u piau-chun-hoa e ji-tian lai sia.

Lan koh tng-lai Tioh8 kap Chiu7.

Chiau Tai-hak Tai-gi Bun-soan p. 421 sou liat, si ka chit 2 e hun-khui. Sou-i e-tang khoaN-chhut in jiok-hoa e im-pian si an-choaN lai:

Tioh8>toh8
Chiu7>tio7>to7

An-ne chin-chiaNu 5 e variations.

Chiu7 pian-cho tio7 koh pian-cho to7 m-si bo kho-leng ("chhit-tho" kap "thi-tho" e hong-gian-chha cheng-beng [ch] kap [t] si u-kho-leng e im-pian), tan-si chiok bian-kiong.
Chin-che lang long jin-ui tio7/to7 si ui tioh8/toh8 lai. Goa si teh kong na an-ne siuN si "to3-thau5-seN" chiah u kho-leng.

5 e sit-chai u khah che. Na-si hou chhun 2 (chiu7 kap tioh8) e kho-leng siong ho, na bo, it-teng ai iongte 3 e, mai iong to7, iong toh8 khah hap-li. "To7" Kam-ji-tian liat 20 kui e ji-tiau, lai-te ma iau bo to7 si chiu7/tioh8 chit e iong-hoat.

Goa ma-si long iong to7, kau choe-kin chiah kam-kak to7 u bun-te, khai-si siuN chit-e bun-te, khai-si iong toh8 tai-the to7. Ma m-kaN kong an-ne khah ho, iah-si khah tioh. Chi-si theh-chhut-lai hou tai-ke chham-kho. Lan na beh ai POJ piau-chun-hoa kho-leng teh sia e si ai khah sim-tiong, chin-liong ai u kun-ku.

peng-an,
khinhoaN

At 09:38 AM 2003/7/2 +0800, Hak-khiam wrote:

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Tak-ke ho:

Goa e ki-tit IuN Siu-hong k.s. bat sia chit phiN bun-chiuN kong è chit e Han-ji ti Tai-gi lai-te u kui-a-chiong i-su:

1. toh8: hoe teh toh8
2. teh: i teh chiah-png
3. ti7: goa toa ti Ka-gi
4. tiau5: lian-a tiau ti chui-kau-a
5. le0: koai-koai che le
6. …iau-koh u m-koh goa be-ki-tit a.

to7, toh8 eng-kai si "tioh8" è gi-im jiok-hoa e kiat-ko.
Goa kam-kak pun-te u gi-goan koan-he e ji, na u su-iau
ma-si ai sia cho bo-kang khah iong-i pian-jin. Na bo
ç«èèè si "hoe ti leh toh" ah-si "hoe toh-toh-toh"?

Pun-ji bo it-teng e-tang hou lang chiap-siu, c.c. "e7" ï¼æãè½å¤ ï¼
e pun-ji si â解âã m-siâæâ. M-koh sia Tai-gi e si-chun na ka
e sia cho "解" tioh kai ki-koai, sia LMJ e ho-chhu tioh-si m-bian siuN
ai iong to chit ji Han-ji, ka gi-im piau-si chhut-laito tioh a.

Hak-khiam

----- Original Message -----
From: levin
To: 'Li khinhoann' ;
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 1:50 AM
Subject: RE: [TGB] to7 ? toh8 ?

Khin-hoaN hiaN, tak-ke ho,

Goa tui che bo gian-kiu, ki-sit si mai ke kong-oe khah-ho.

Boh-kioh-kong chhiu-thau bo Khin-hoaNhiaN kong--tioh e chit-3-pun ji-tian/su-tian. (Goa chiap kah sia e-mail long ti kong-si, chheh long ti chhu..nih.)

Chong--si ti chia the chhut kui-e bun-te, chhiaN tak-ke chi-kau:

1) Douglas hit-e le7 kam2 thang jin7 cho kang-chit8-e âtioh8/tio7/toh8/to7â? Goa u chit-e gi-bun.

2) Lan e-tang ui3 Orthography (cheng3-ji7-hoat4) e kak-tou teng-sin lai chhu-li chit-e bun-te--bou?

Chhin-chhiuN kong ui-tioh mai kah âtoh8 hoe2â e âtoh8â, âtioh8 m7-tioh8â chham âli2 tioh8 kin2 lai5â, âtioh8 ai3 an2-choaN2â e âtioh8â sio-lam7, lan e-tang ka7 kap âchiu7â kho-leng u sim-mih su5-goan5 koan-he7 (khi-be u sio-siang e bun5-hoat4 kong-leng5) e chit-e su5 sia2 cho âtio7/to7â--bou?

Lan kam2 it-teng ai chun-chiau (kho-pi kong) Tai-Jit Toa Su-tian e âcheng3-ji7-hoat4â?

3) Ti7 chia, lan kam u hoat-tou khak-teng i-e pun-tiau si âtoh8â ah si âto7â--leh?

4) Orthography kap su5-goan5 (etymology) ai po-chhi sim-mih koan-he?

Lou-lat.

Lip-bun

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Li khinhoann
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 11:20 PM
To:
Cc:
Subject: [TGB] to7 ? toh8 ?

Tak-e ho:

Kap chiu7/tioh8 kang ji-goan, kang i-su, kang iong-hoat e leng-goa chit-e variation lan chin che lang long sia-cho to7 m-si sia-cho toh8.

Pi-ju:

Hit e lang Toh8-si7 goa lah.

pian-tiau liau-au kong-cho: To3-si3 goa lah.

Sou-i chin che lang liah-chun i e pun-tiau eng-kai si To7, in-ui To7 ma-si e pian-cho to3.

Tai-jit Toa Su-tian si kong an-ne. Toh8=tioh8.

Douglas e E-Eng Toa Su-tian ma kong an-ne. M7-toh8-khi3=M7-tioh8-khi3.(p.525)

Kam Ji-tian (E-mng-im Sin Ji-tian) ma-si an-ne (p. 719)

Hou tak-e cho chham-kho.

peng-an,

khinhoaN

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