chhéng-kàu Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí
chhéng-kàu Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí
From: uibun
Date: 2013-12-11 17:31:31
TGB ê iú-chì CTT!
Ū 1 ūi Canada lâng lâi Sêng-tāi tha̍k gián-kiú-só͘. I ê se̍k-sū lūn-bûn beh chò Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí ê gián-kiú, chhiūⁿ kóng "kâu-gín-á" kóng chò "monkey boy" chit khoán ê Eng-gí. I ê lūn-bûn ê Eng-gí phiau-tê sī án-ne:
Taiwanese English Teachers’ Attitudes Regarding the Incursion of Taiwanese into English
I su-iàu ta̍k-ke tàu thê-kiong chit-khoán Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí gí-sû. Chhiah mâ-hoân ta̍k-ke nā ū siūⁿ tio̍h chit-khoán gí-sû, chiah mâ-hoân email lâi Tâi-gí-bāng ia̍h-sī hō͘ góa. Ló͘-la̍t!
-- Ûi-bûn
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Center for Taiwanese Languages Testing http://ctlt.twl.ncku.edu.tw Center for Vietnamese Studies http://cvs.twl.ncku.edu.tw
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Re: Re: [tgb] chhéng-kàu Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí
From: Lau Seng-hian
Date: 2013-12-11 18:09:17
逐家平安
伊嘛有揣--我，毋過，伊kā我講--ê無仝，伊需要--ê，是揣hit款「有可能hō͘英語直接借詞ê台語詞」，因為是直接借詞，所以連詞對詞ê翻譯to無，是規个「音譯」，比論：「Are you going to kachia with me?」按呢，chit句內底ê「kachia」是英語式teh拼寫「kà-chhia」（華語『飆車、賽車』），當然tsit个例毋是事實，英語人應該猶無借tsit个詞去用….總--是，tsit个學生伊teh討論--ê，是tsit款直接借詞ê可能性，伊ê研究對象，是台灣teh教英語ê老師。
重點：伊beh愛hit種英語內底揣無詞彙意義對應ê台語詞（就是無法度用「一个英語詞」就對應kā翻譯--過-去ê台語詞），因為tsit款台語詞hông直接借詞ê可能性khah懸，khah有參考kap研究ê價值。
伊有寄一份進前寫ê初步研究論文hō͘--我，tī附件，逐家sió lió--一-下就會了解伊ài啥。
我前有提供伊規个仔詞hō͘伊去做問卷，就是下跤chia-ê：
bóng (罔): 可做可不做; A preverbal adverb that indicates the activity performed does not interest the doer very much or is not obligatory at all. Eg. 提一本冊罔看。(Reading a book just to kill time.)
hiān-lâu-á (現流仔): 剛剛捕獲的海鮮；Fresh seafood that has been presently captured.
ô-á-tsian (蚵仔煎): Oyster Pancake; oyster Omlete
siau-phiaⁿ (消骿): 背歪一邊; 背凹陷; The back (rear part of human bodies) caving in because being violently beaten up or sickness
so-tsháu (挲草): 以手將草拉起後再以土覆蓋的除草方式; A way that farmers employ to weed. When doing so, weeds are pulled up and then buried by soil.
moo-piah-kuí (𢯾壁鬼): 突然出現嚇人一跳的冒失鬼；緊貼牆邊偷聽的冒失鬼; People who show up suddenly without even a bit of sound or any sign. People who eavesdrop on the wall
問題是，我代誌siuⁿ過濟--ah，除了原本ê功課kap工課，chit站仔老師交代規大堆代誌，kiōng-beh舞--死，根本做bē赴，chit-má實在無法度koh kā伊揣詞，tsiah請逐家kā鬥相共。
伊一定感覺我是按怎後--來攏無beh chhap--伊，我是姑不將--ê，毋過我mā無時間去揣伊解說--ah。
Sêng-hiân
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 5:31 PM, uibun wrote:
TGB ê iú-chì CTT!
Ū 1 ūi Canada lâng lâi Sêng-tāi tha̍k gián-kiú-só͘. I ê se̍k-sū lūn-bûn beh chò Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí ê gián-kiú, chhiūⁿ kóng "kâu-gín-á" kóng chò "monkey boy" chit khoán ê Eng-gí. I ê lūn-bûn ê Eng-gí phiau-tê sī án-ne:
Taiwanese English Teachers’ Attitudes Regarding the Incursion of Taiwanese into English
I su-iàu ta̍k-ke tàu thê-kiong chit-khoán Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí gí-sû. Chhiah mâ-hoân ta̍k-ke nā ū siūⁿ tio̍h chit-khoán gí-sû, chiah mâ-hoân email lâi Tâi-gí-bāng ia̍h-sī hō͘ góa. Ló͘-la̍t!
-- Ûi-bûn
Professor of Linguistics Taiffalo's Study of Eco-linguistics of Society http://uibun.twl.ncku.edu.tw
Center for Taiwanese Languages Testing http://ctlt.twl.ncku.edu.tw Center for Vietnamese Studies http://cvs.twl.ncku.edu.tw
Department of Taiwanese Literature http://www.twl.ncku.edu.tw National Cheng Kung University, TAIWAN
E-mail: (private)
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Re: Re: [tgb] chhéng-kàu Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí
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Date: 2013-12-11 18:15:58
Thiàu lángsù -- dance. Chhiàngsù chhiàngsù -- by chance, incidentally, coincidence. Outóubái -- autobicycle.
ísio̍ng 3-ê lē hiônghiông siūnn--tiohh, chhiánn chhamkhó.
Góa sï Lîm Chheng Siâng ài siá Tâigí, thakk TG, kóng TG, kap thiaN TG
----- Reply message ----- From: "uibun" To: "TGB" Subject: [tgb] chhéng-kàu Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí Date: Wed, Dec 11, 2013 5:31 PM
TGB ê iú-chì CTT!
Ū 1 ūi Canada lâng lâi Sêng-tāi tha̍k gián-kiú-só͘. I ê se̍k-sū lūn-bûn beh chò Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí ê gián-kiú, chhiūⁿ kóng "kâu-gín-á" kóng chò "monkey boy" chit khoán ê Eng-gí. I ê lūn-bûn ê Eng-gí phiau-tê sī án-ne:
Taiwanese English Teachers’ Attitudes Regarding the Incursion of Taiwanese into English
I su-iàu ta̍k-ke tàu thê-kiong chit-khoán Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí gí-sû. Chhiah mâ-hoân ta̍k-ke nā ū siūⁿ tio̍h chit-khoán gí-sû, chiah mâ-hoân email lâi Tâi-gí-bāng ia̍h-sī hō͘ góa. Ló͘-la̍t!
-- Ûi-bûn
Professor of Linguistics Taiffalo's Study of Eco-linguistics of Society http://uibun.twl.ncku.edu.tw
Center for Taiwanese Languages Testing http://ctlt.twl.ncku.edu.tw Center for Vietnamese Studies http://cvs.twl.ncku.edu.tw
Department of Taiwanese Literature http://www.twl.ncku.edu.tw National Cheng Kung University, TAIWAN
E-mail: (private)
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Re: RE: [tgb] chhéng-kàu Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí
From: tanlui
Date: 2013-12-12 01:06:40
tī pak-bi ê taiuan tông-hiong kóng : parking….[ phah-tshia , 停車 位] change lane i̍.[ 換lián, 換車tsuā ] pîng-an tanlui
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of ** **Sent: December-11-13 5:16 AM To: Chiúⁿ Ûi-bûn Personal; TGB, (G) Subject: Re: [tgb] chhéng-kàu Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí
Thiàu lángsù -- dance. Chhiàngsù chhiàngsù -- by chance, incidentally, coincidence. Outóubái -- autobicycle.
ísio̍ng 3-ê lē hiônghiông siūnn--tiohh, chhiánn chhamkhó.
Góa sï Lîm Chheng Siâng ài siá Tâigí, thakk TG, kóng TG, kap thiaN TG
----- Reply message ----- From: "uibun" To: "TGB" Subject: [tgb] chhéng-kàu Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí Date: Wed, Dec 11, 2013 5:31 PM
TGB ê iú-chì CTT!
Ū 1 ūi Canada lâng lâi Sêng-tāi tha̍k gián-kiú-só͘. I ê se̍k-sū lūn-bûn beh chò Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí ê gián-kiú, chhiūⁿ kóng "kâu-gín-á" kóng chò "monkey boy" chit khoán ê Eng-gí. I ê lūn-bûn ê Eng-gí phiau-tê sī án-ne:
Taiwanese English Teachers’ Attitudes Regarding the Incursion of Taiwanese into English
I su-iàu ta̍k-ke tàu thê-kiong chit-khoán Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí gí-sû. Chhiah mâ-hoân ta̍k-ke nā ū siūⁿ tio̍h chit-khoán gí-sû, chiah mâ-hoân email lâi Tâi-gí-bāng ia̍h-sī hō͘ góa. Ló͘-la̍t!
-- Ûi-bûn
Professor of Linguistics Taiffalo's Study of Eco-linguistics of Society http://uibun.twl.ncku.edu.tw Center for Taiwanese Languages Testing
http://ctlt.twl.ncku.edu.tw Center for Vietnamese Studies
http://cvs.twl.ncku.edu.tw Department of Taiwanese Literature
http://www.twl.ncku.edu.tw National Cheng Kung University, TAIWAN
E-mail: (private) E-mail: (office)
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Re: Re: chhéng-kàu Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí
From: Lûi Bêng-Hàn
Date: 2013-12-12 02:56:24
m̄-koh, kâu-gín-á kap monkey boy ì-sù koh-iūⁿ.
On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:31:31 AM UTC-8, 蔣為文 wrote:TGB ê iú-chì CTT!
Ū 1 ūi Canada lâng lâi Sêng-tāi tha̍k gián-kiú-só͘. I ê se̍k-sū lūn-bûn beh chò Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí ê gián-kiú, chhiūⁿ kóng "kâu-gín-á" kóng chò "monkey boy" chit khoán ê Eng-gí. I ê lūn-bûn ê Eng-gí phiau-tê sī án-ne:
Taiwanese English Teachers’ Attitudes Regarding the Incursion of Taiwanese into English
I su-iàu ta̍k-ke tàu thê-kiong chit-khoán Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí gí-sû. Chhiah mâ-hoân ta̍k-ke nā ū siūⁿ tio̍h chit-khoán gí-sû, chiah mâ-hoân email lâi Tâi-gí-bāng ia̍h-sī hō͘ góa. Ló͘-la̍t!
-- Ûi-bûn
Professor of Linguistics Taiffalo's Study of Eco-linguistics of Society http://uibun.twl.ncku.edu.tw
Center for Taiwanese Languages Testing http://ctlt.twl.ncku.edu.tw Center for Vietnamese Studies http://cvs.twl.ncku.edu.tw
Department of Taiwanese Literature http://www.twl.ncku.edu.tw National Cheng Kung University, TAIWAN
E-mail: (private)
E-mail: (office) Tel: +81-80-4754-8840 (Japan) Tel: +886-6-2757575 ext 52627 (Taiwan) Fax: +886-6-2755190 (Taiwan) *******************
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: chhéng-kàu Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí
From: Lau Seng-hian
Date: 2013-12-12 07:25:59
逐家有小可誤會，伊是欲愛英語借台語喔，hit款意思特別，有可能kui-e借去做英語詞--e。
On Dec 12, 2013 2:56 AM, "Lûi Bêng-Hàn" wrote:
m̄-koh, kâu-gín-á kap monkey boy ì-sù koh-iūⁿ.
On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:31:31 AM UTC-8, 蔣為文 wrote: TGB ê iú-chì CTT!
Ū 1 ūi Canada lâng lâi Sêng-tāi tha̍k gián-kiú-só͘. I ê se̍k-sū lūn-bûn beh chò Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí ê gián-kiú, chhiūⁿ kóng "kâu-gín-á" kóng chò "monkey boy" chit khoán ê Eng-gí. I ê lūn-bûn ê Eng-gí phiau-tê sī án-ne:
Taiwanese English Teachers’ Attitudes Regarding the Incursion of Taiwanese into English
I su-iàu ta̍k-ke tàu thê-kiong chit-khoán Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí gí-sû. Chhiah mâ-hoân ta̍k-ke nā ū siūⁿ tio̍h chit-khoán gí-sû, chiah mâ-hoân email lâi Tâi-gí-bāng ia̍h-sī hō͘ góa. Ló͘-la̍t!
-- Ûi-bûn
Professor of Linguistics Taiffalo's Study of Eco-linguistics of Society http://uibun.twl.ncku.edu.tw
Center for Taiwanese Languages Testing http://ctlt.twl.ncku.edu.tw Center for Vietnamese Studies http://cvs.twl.ncku.edu.tw
Department of Taiwanese Literature http://www.twl.ncku.edu.tw National Cheng Kung University, TAIWAN
E-mail: (private)
E-mail: (office) Tel: +81-80-4754-8840 (Japan) Tel: +886-6-2757575 ext 52627 (Taiwan)
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Re: Re: [tgb] chhéng-kàu Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí
From: uibun
Date: 2013-12-12 17:29:44
Ta̍k-ke hó!
Sêng-hiân hiaⁿ kóng--ê lóng bô chhiong-thu̍t. Ta̍k-ke seng bián hoan-ló thê-kiong ê gí-sû sī-m̄-sī ha̍h-ēng, hō͘ gián-kiú-chiá i ka-tī khì phòaⁿ-toàn tō hó, hoān-sè ē ū sin ê hoat-hiān.
--Ûi-bûn
Lau Seng-hian 於 2013年12月11日下午7:09 寫道：
逐家平安
伊嘛有揣--我，毋過，伊kā我講--ê無仝，伊需要--ê，是揣hit款「有可能hō͘英語直接借詞ê台語詞」，因為是直接借詞，所以連詞對詞ê翻譯to無，是規个「音譯」，比論：「Are you going to kachia with me?」按呢，chit句內底ê「kachia」是英語式teh拼寫「kà-chhia」（華語『飆車、賽車』），當然tsit个例毋是事實，英語人應該猶無借tsit个詞去用….總--是，tsit个學生伊teh討論--ê，是tsit款直接借詞ê可能性，伊ê研究對象，是台灣teh教英語ê老師。
重點：伊beh愛hit種英語內底揣無詞彙意義對應ê台語詞（就是無法度用「一个英語詞」就對應kā翻譯--過-去ê台語詞），因為tsit款台語詞hông直接借詞ê可能性khah懸，khah有參考kap研究ê價值。
伊有寄一份進前寫ê初步研究論文hō͘--我，tī附件，逐家sió lió--一-下就會了解伊ài啥。
我前有提供伊規个仔詞hō͘伊去做問卷，就是下跤chia-ê：
bóng (罔): 可做可不做; A preverbal adverb that indicates the activity performed does not interest the doer very much or is not obligatory at all. Eg. 提一本冊罔看。(Reading a book just to kill time.)
hiān-lâu-á (現流仔): 剛剛捕獲的海鮮；Fresh seafood that has been presently captured.
ô-á-tsian (蚵仔煎): Oyster Pancake; oyster Omlete
siau-phiaⁿ (消骿): 背歪一邊; 背凹陷; The back (rear part of human bodies) caving in because being violently beaten up or sickness
so-tsháu (挲草): 以手將草拉起後再以土覆蓋的除草方式; A way that farmers employ to weed. When doing so, weeds are pulled up and then buried by soil.
moo-piah-kuí (𢯾壁鬼): 突然出現嚇人一跳的冒失鬼；緊貼牆邊偷聽的冒失鬼; People who show up suddenly without even a bit of sound or any sign. People who eavesdrop on the wall
問題是，我代誌siuⁿ過濟--ah，除了原本ê功課kap工課，chit站仔老師交代規大堆代誌，kiōng-beh舞--死，根本做bē赴，chit-má實在無法度koh kā伊揣詞，tsiah請逐家kā鬥相共。
伊一定感覺我是按怎後--來攏無beh chhap--伊，我是姑不將--ê，毋過我mā無時間去揣伊解說--ah。
Sêng-hiân
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 5:31 PM, uibun wrote:
TGB ê iú-chì CTT!
Ū 1 ūi Canada lâng lâi Sêng-tāi tha̍k gián-kiú-só͘. I ê se̍k-sū lūn-bûn beh chò Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí ê gián-kiú, chhiūⁿ kóng "kâu-gín-á" kóng chò "monkey boy" chit khoán ê Eng-gí. I ê lūn-bûn ê Eng-gí phiau-tê sī án-ne:
Taiwanese English Teachers’ Attitudes Regarding the Incursion of Taiwanese into English
I su-iàu ta̍k-ke tàu thê-kiong chit-khoán Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí gí-sû. Chhiah mâ-hoân ta̍k-ke nā ū siūⁿ tio̍h chit-khoán gí-sû, chiah mâ-hoân email lâi Tâi-gí-bāng ia̍h-sī hō͘ góa. Ló͘-la̍t!
-- Ûi-bûn
Professor of Linguistics Taiffalo's Study of Eco-linguistics of Society http://uibun.twl.ncku.edu.tw
Center for Taiwanese Languages Testing http://ctlt.twl.ncku.edu.tw Center for Vietnamese Studies http://cvs.twl.ncku.edu.tw
Department of Taiwanese Literature http://www.twl.ncku.edu.tw National Cheng Kung University, TAIWAN
E-mail: (private)
E-mail: (office) Tel: +81-80-4754-8840 (Japan) Tel: +886-6-2757575 ext 52627 (Taiwan)
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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: chhéng-kàu Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí
From: Bêng-Hàn Lûi
Date: 2013-12-13 01:15:36
Gún kiáⁿ ê siok-tê. M̄-koh in lāu-bú kóng án-ne bô lâng khoàⁿ ū.
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Lau Seng-hian wrote:
逐家有小可誤會，伊是欲愛英語借台語喔，hit款意思特別，有可能kui-e借去做英語詞--e。
On Dec 12, 2013 2:56 AM, "Lûi Bêng-Hàn" wrote:
m̄-koh, kâu-gín-á kap monkey boy ì-sù koh-iūⁿ.
On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:31:31 AM UTC-8, 蔣為文 wrote:
TGB ê iú-chì CTT!
Ū 1 ūi Canada lâng lâi Sêng-tāi tha̍k gián-kiú-só͘. I ê se̍k-sū lūn-bûn beh chò Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí ê gián-kiú, chhiūⁿ kóng "kâu-gín-á" kóng chò "monkey boy" chit khoán ê Eng-gí. I ê lūn-bûn ê Eng-gí phiau-tê sī án-ne:
Taiwanese English Teachers’ Attitudes Regarding the Incursion of Taiwanese into English
I su-iàu ta̍k-ke tàu thê-kiong chit-khoán Tâi-gí-sek ê Eng-gí gí-sû. Chhiah mâ-hoân ta̍k-ke nā ū siūⁿ tio̍h chit-khoán gí-sû, chiah mâ-hoân email lâi Tâi-gí-bāng ia̍h-sī hō͘ góa. Ló͘-la̍t!
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