Fw: [tgb] Re: Tai-Bun-Thong-Sin e LMJ beh kai-cho Tai-lo?

From: Tekhoa
Date: 2008-06-16 01:37:46

lan sou-ui e "Tai-phai" iah si "Thok-phai" teh tholun iah phoaN-toan taichi

chai-lai long msi chengkeng teh tholun

 

long si ui koat-teng/khakteng e liptiuN chhut-hoat

chiah lai chhoe hu-hap chit-e kiat-lun e taichi lai ka-kiong

 

1.tiaN long siuN-koe chu-koan, Hoagi kong一相情願

cheng-hap e i-gi kam u hiah toa?

goa iau mbat thiaN koe siaN-mih khah beng-khak e pheng-kou

 

2.chiok che phoaN-toan iah si kiatlun chian-au chhiong-thut

mkoh tiaN ma e u Hoagi kong e 自圓其說

goa ki 1 e le, che si 1 e peng-iu kui2-lo tang cheng bat mng--goa--e:

lin chit-ma kap TLPA hapchok teh kiat TY

mkoh bo joa ku chincheng lin msi kap TY kat--leh teh phah TLPA

lin taute teh bu siaN?

 

che koeteng ma bo chimchiok tholun--koe

thaulang hoah kiaN lan to kiaN

cha-hng kiaN to-peng, kin-a-jit koh pian chiaN-peng

soah long bo suiau ka lang kautai--e?

 

mtaN Tai-gi-bun untong, kui-e Taioanlang untong tiaN-tiaN chhut chit-chiong chong-hong

inui lan long mgoan cheng7-sim khoaN ka-ti chin-cheng kong koe siaN cho koe siaN

(che ho-cho chong-kiat keng-giam/leksu)

kiat-ko tiaN-tiaN si ka-ti sian ka-ti

(na u-eng, na u lang beh thiaN, goa etang ki thai che le7--leh)

 

Tekhoa

 

----- Original Message ----- From: Lau Seng-hian

To: 台語網

Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 4:24 PM

Subject: [tgb] Re: Tai-Bun-Thong-Sin e LMJ beh kai-cho Tai-lo?

Hak-khiam lāu-su,

Guá siūⁿ, lán sóo-ū ê lâng lóng sio-siâng, ū liáu-kái POJ ê li̍k-sú kap bûn-hiàn--ê, lóng mā ē tsàn-sîng ing-kai ti̍t-tsiap īng thuân-thóng POJ lâi tsò Tâi-gí ê lô-má-jī.

Kah tann mā sī án-ne--a, nā sī tsuân Tâi-uân ê lâng lóng tsiah lí-sìng, tsìn-tsîng mài huat-bîng hiah-ni̍h tsē thò hē- thóng, lán thâu-lí-lōo-ti̍t tsá tō ing-kai ta̍k-ê lóng īng thuân- thóng ê POJ--a, nah tio̍h tsiah-ni̍h-á mâ-huân, beh uan lâi uan khì.

TLPA tong-tshue-sî teh tsò hē-thóng phîng-suán, thuân-thóng POJ ē the̍h-tio̍h tē-it-miâ, mā tsìng-bîng i khak-si̍t sī siōng-hó ê hē-thóng.

Bo̍k-tsîng, guá kan-tann sī tsin huân-ló, beh an-tsuánn î-tshî 3 tuā phài piàn 2 tuā phài ê sè-bīn, mài tò-thè tńg-khì 3 ê suann- thâu hōo-siong m̄ niū ê tsōng-hóng.

M̄-kuán án-tsuánn, tsit kuí kang tī tsia ê thó-lūn, tsāi-tsuí sī tuì tsit-ê gī-tê siōng-kài kong-khai koh tshim-ji̍p ê 1 pái, guá ū liáu- kái lia̍t-uī sian-pái ê siūnn-huat, tsai-iánn ta̍k-ê beh kian-tshî īng thuân-thóng POJ ê lí-iû, ū liáu-kái, tsóng-sī pí bô liáu-kái khah hó.

Ū khuànn-tio̍h Ha̍k-khiam lāu-su ín Tiuⁿ Jū-hông lāu-su ê Pe̍h-oē- jī Ki-pún-lūn, lāi-té ū kóng-tio̍h 'im-uī' (phoneme) kap im-ti̍t(phone) ê tsha-pia̍t.  Tsiū guá sóo tsai, TL kā 'eng' siá-tsò 'ing', 'oa' siá-tsò 'ua' tíng-tíng, i ê guân-in tō-sī beh tshái-iōng im-uī (im-sòo) lâi su- siá, in-uī bûn-jī hē-thóng pún-lâi tō sī ài thiàu-tshut 'im-ti̍t'(phone variants) ê im-piau su-khó, sóo-í, TL tsiah ē bô beh siá 'im-piàn' kap khiunn-kháu íng-hióng ê 'eng' kap 'oa' t.t, beh siá 'ing' kap 'ua' ê im-uī (im-sòo) piáu-kì.

Uānn uē lâi kóng, TL ê su-siá hong-sik, sīm-tsì sī koh khah ha̍p tī bûn-jī--ê, khah m̄-sī im-piau ê lí-lōo. M̄-tsai Ha̍k-khiam lāu-su tuì tsit tiám ê khuànn-huat jû-hô?

ps. Tsin kî-kuài, tsit 2 kang TGB tsiah lāu-jia̍t, tsiànn-pîng hia suah iû-guân piau-tsò 'low activity', bô sī tio̍h lāu-jia̍t kah sím-mi̍h thîng- tōo, tsiah ē piàn 'high activity'--hannh…….____"

2008/6/15 Hak-khiam TiuN :

Seng-hian hiaN:

TL kah POJ e koan-he an-choaN sui-lang "siong-siong", goa chiap-siu hun-kang, goa khoaN tak-ke ma bo an-sng koh beh ti Kau-iok-kai khi cheng-chhu POJ e te-ui. Che bo sng-hai i ti sia-hoe-siong tong-cho su-sit phiau-chun e te-ui, goa ka-ki kam-kak e.

Goa chin-cheng e i-kian chin kan-tan, tioh-si put-koan joa-che-tho soan chit tho, tioh soah a. Goa bo chan-seng cheng-hap, sui-jian chan-seng cheng-hap e mia-toaN u goa e mia, goa teh ioh cheng-hap chi-si ke chit tho, c.c. TLPA tong-chhou kang-khoan, lan tioh koh tui 0 khai-si, goa ma ioh-kong kau-iok-pou bo hit e leng-lek ah-si koat-sim khi chhui-sak in soan-pou e he-thong. Chit lai-te ki-sit u chin che chhu-bi e mih-kiaN thang-ho khi khoaN.

Goa e siuN-hoat tioh si Henry kong e, cho-i kai-tiau-oaN-tai, POJ ti sia-hoe-siong koh ti-leh.

Khah an-ni e si Babuza ka goa kong TOJ e ke-siok iong POJ. Goa chin hoaN-hi. Gi-gian, bun-ji long m-si kan-ta kang-khu nia, jin-tong e ian-siok tui goa lai kong chin tiong-iau.

Hak-khiam

2008/6/15 Lau Seng-hian :

Hak-khiam lau-su,

Li soo ki2 e le (i-kian), gua uan-tsuan tsan-sing. Lan siann-lang m-si oh thuan-thong POJ tshut--lai-e, lan kah tann long iau siu-tioh thuan- thong POJ e ti3-im3--leh.

TL si m-si POJ, i kap POJ tsing-tsha jua-tse? Ui-tioh un-tong lan kam be-ing-tit tsiap-siu POJ e siu-siah, tse to si gua tsin-tsing beh kong e

ue.

Ti tsia ma ka in-ui gua e huat-gian kam-kak put-khuai e lang hue-sit-le.

2008/6/15 Hak-khiam TiuN :

Lang m-na kan-ta u li-seng nia, ma u cheng-su, chu-koan e chit-bin, chong-si khah mai cho jin-seng kong-kek, goa chin-cheng e phoe, na u an-ne e bun-te ai ka tak-ke to-khiam.

Goa in-iong chin-cheng cheng-li chit-koa lang e i-kian hou tak-ke

chham-kho:

現代白話字運動背後的動機

文化保存kah歷史記憶沿續是真重要的動機。

陳鄭弘堯指出支持白話字的一種心理tek的動機是 "希望'過去'kah'現在'會凍相牽連，bē因為政權的來去，

一直換文字、語言…歷史會凍切作清國/日本時代/ROC時代等等，m-koh白話字'永遠無變。"

文化傳承kah文化資源的觀點

張裕宏（2001）認為beh建立對台語的信心，"就愛hou台灣人知影咱的傳統，

hou台灣人知影家己有久長的好傳統來感覺驕傲，"就目前來講，"白話字的文獻

夭是上豐富，佔所有得會著得台語文獻得大部份，所以白話字夭是上重要，是負責台語傳承得大樹身。"

Hak-khiam

2008/6/15 Kei TADA :

That-tu-a kia chhut e phoe teh kong tioh li e iong-ji. Li ti e-bin chit-tiuN ui-tioh goa iong choan-Lo, goa beh ka li seh

to-sia. Goa kam-kak choan-Lo khah khau-gu-hoa, khah ho thak.

Lan u chin-che lang.

"khiu kuan-he, puann kam-tsing" e ki-sut su I Pek-choan chit-e.

Lan kam be-hiau / kam bo su-iau "khiu kuan-he, puann kam-tsing".

TADA

2008/6/15  :

Tada san,

Thong-iong u 1 e tsuan-giap e un-tong-tsia 余--sian-sinn.

Na beh kong khiu kuan-he, puann kam-tsing, lan u-iann long su i thiam -thiam.

On 6月15日, 上午10時23分, "Kei TADA" wrote:

Bun-tat lau-su peng-an!

Li e phoe thak-liau, goa chai-iaN Taioan hong-bin e lang teh hoan-lo

siaN.

Ma e chiuN-tai liau, e u chit-khoan e to-the (bak-khuh) pian-hoa, che

si lan e-tang u-chhek (chin-cheng siuN e-tioh) e tai-chi.

M-bian hiah kin-tiuN.

Ma cheng-koan na bo beh chhui-sak POJ, cheng-beng Ma e i-kip KBT e bo

"ai Taioan",

pi Kiong-san-tong koh khah Chi-na. Lan e-tang ka toa-siaN phoe-pheng.

Chin-cheng KBT si-tai, TLPA tui KIP kong-pou, hit-chun TLPA kan-taN si

im-piau.

M-koh Taioan Gibun Hak-hoe toa-toa chhui-sak. Chhui-khong liau, tit-tioh chin che lang e jin-tong.

Lan iau e-tang/su-iau ti bin-kan chhui-sak POJ, chiam-tui kau-iok-kai ma e-sai chhui-sak TL.

Chi-chio KIP sou kong-pou e TL, TLPA in e ki-chhou long ma si POJ.

Sit-chai chin ki-koai, Thong-iong bo hak-sut ki-chhou, na si tu-tioh lun-cheng i it-teng e su.

 I e eng-hiong lat, na e be kiam-chio?

Lan na chai-iaN in e hong-hoat, chiah e-tang iong u hau-lut e hong-hoat lai ka tui-khong.

TADA

On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 12:48 AM, Bun-tat Ng

wrote:

TADA sang ping-an:     Kok-ui long-si ui Tai-gi phah-piann e iong-su!     Sio-ti e i-su si tak-ke ing-kai ai thuan-kiat. Li-iu si an-ne…

    Tsing-tai Tai-bun-soo soo-tiunn Tan-Hong-Bing kong i kap

Ma-Ing-Kiu long

tsan-sing sia Hua-gi, jian-au thak-tso Tai-gi, an-ne to-si

Tai-gi-bun.

Thong-iong-phai huan-tui TL, iong tshiu-tuann tann-kik TL, m-tsiah

Kau-iok-poo Kok-kau-su huat kong-bun khai-hong kok-tsiong Tai-gi

im-piau, ju

luan in ju huann-hi.     Gua kam-kak TL na bo siu tiong-si kap tsi-tshi, Tai-gi e

tsian-too it-ting e koh ba-khuh tng-khi. Tai-gi khiong-kiann bo-ioh-i--loo…

Bun-tat

2008/6/14 Kei TADA :

Bun-tat hiaN:

Li kam u thak gun e tho-lun?

TL na si beh chhu-tai POJ,

TL chiah si teh hun-hoa lan.

Li na e kong goan teh hun-hoa?

TADA

2008/6/14 Bun-tat Ng :

Kok-ui sian-tsin:

   It-ting ai tsi-tshi TL,

   m-thang hun-hua ka-ki e lik-liong,

   TG bue-sai koh kiann huan-thau,

    tsim ti im-phiau e tsian-tiunn.

                                                       Tsiong-hua

 Bun-tat

2008/6/12, Hak-khiam TiuN :

Tak-ke ho:

Goa khaoN TBTS te 167 ki te 10 iah e pian-chip-chu kong:

TBTS u-teng ui 168 ki khi chhai-iong KIP kong-pou e Tai-lo-sek

LMJ.

M-chai kai-pian e goan-in si siaN?

Hak-khiam

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～