Fw: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Fw: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
From: Tekhoa
Date: 2009-03-25 00:10:47
Apang hiaN kap tak-e:
goa chanseng ai tholun
1) kian-na tu tioh chit-khoan bunte, chong--si e u lang khng kong au-jit-a chiah tholun
kiatko iaubpe tan kau au-jit-a, bunte mna bo kaikoat, soah ju bun ju giamtiong
2) "hun-liat" chit-hang taichi punlai to bian khoan kah hiah tang
ui tioh thoankiat boai ka taichi kong beng,
sitche siong tianto e checho hunliat
3) chiaN che lang long ittit kong TL iah si POJ tak-e beh sia toh 1 tho to sia toh 1 tho
kong si bo m-tioh, mkoh che oe soah ma siuN koe khang
na bo, si anchoaN e ittit u iaukiu patlang sia/kai cho TL e chengheng chhut-hian?
4) tenghoe tholun kau chit-e bunte e si, goa u the-chhut kong:
si, bo mtioh, takl-e chuiu soantek beh iong toh 1 tho
mkoh tauko--chhut-khi toa pouhun e souchai long iaukiu ai iong TL
anne, chit khoan "chu-iu5" u siaNmih i-gi?
Tekhoa
----- Original Message ----- 寄件者: apang.chiu
收件者:
副本: TGB(G) ; Tavokan Kh㮮 Hu䁢ῠ ; Iunn Un-gian
傳送日期: 2009年3月24日 下午 11:45
主旨: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Kok-ui :
Sio-ti kian-gi pat-jit thang-lai tho-lun.
Lan bo hun-liat e pun.
Kat thau ho* khui, m-thang lu phah lu an, pian si-kat,
Kho-lu siong-se.
Pai-thok !
A-pang
PS : Teng-koan/ting-kuan e gi-su POJ kap TL long e thong, kam m-si? ChhiaN/tshiann sam-su.
-----Original message----- From:Kei TADA To:Iunn Un-gian
Cc:Tai-gu-bang , Date:Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:12:15 +0900 Subject:[tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Ungian hiaN,
Goa e chu-i Ungian hiaN sou the-khi chit-e bun-te.
TLPA ah-si TL si, i POJ cho ki-chhou e he-thong.
Su-iong TLPA ah-si TL bo eng-kai ap-pek POJ e su-iong.
TL na jim-tong POJ cho i e bo-chhin, chi-chhi POJ e lang chiah e chi-chhi TL.
Lan na e-sai chham-u hun-hoa le?
TADA
2009/3/24 Iunn Un-gian :
Takke ho :
Suijian chia e buntoe chincheng ikeng u tholun ke a, goa ma bo siuNbeh ke kong, mkoh kinajit koh hoatseng 1-koa taichi, jichhiaN kah KhinhoaN hiaN u
koanhe.
Goa chincheng hoanlo e, TL iahbe sengkong, goanlai suiong POJ e lang soah hun choe 2-phai. Chite buntoe, khoaN khilai iahkoh si chin giamtiong.
Goa chitma chin bo-eng, taichi long cho boe oan, soui goa kholeng e 4/15 i-au, chhe sikan tiam Taigubang hoho-a lai kong chit kiaN taichi e kengke, kah goa e siuNhoat.
Goa jim-ui nasi chhuli bo ho, Tailohoe ma e chhuthian chenggi, choseng TLH e hunliat. Si annoa goa e anne kong, inui chincheng KhinhoaN hiaN bat uitioh TLH bo suiong TL, kong beh si lisu, chitma KhinhoaN hiaN si TLH e siong-bu lisu, soui chit-e buntoe itteng e koh toa jipkhi TLH.
Suijian Taibunkoan hitpeng jimtong goa e chohoat, mkoh choeau goa iong POJ sia e bunchiuN, pitsu ai kai cho TL. LMJ susia hethong hiahni choe, 10 kui tang chincheng, goa e LMJ hong kai choe Thong-iong hengsek e LMJ, goa bat kongkhai khonggi, bo siuNtioh chitpai soah si hou kaki e lang kiongpek ai siukai, goa boe kongkhai khonggi, mkoh choattui e kongkhai tholun chit chan
taichi.
Inui goa jim-ui nasi bo tholun, POj e suiong e kesiok hou TL appek. Lan na chaiiaN lan bo hunliat e punchiN, si annoa chitkhoan taichi e itchai hoatseng ?
-- Iunn Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 (O) 03-821-0871 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
Re: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
From: Hak-khiam TiuN
Date: 2009-03-25 10:03:39
Tak-ke ho:
Ungian hiaN theh-chhut chit e bun-te, goa siuN chin tat-tit tho-lun. Tong-jian i kong e POJ & TL e chhiong-tut chi-si POJ & TL koan-he e chit-chiong. E hong u chhiong-tut e kam-kak ma chin ho li-kai, in-ui POJ & TL e chi-chhi-chia u teng-thah, koh ka-siong pun-te su-iong POJ e Tai-bun chap-chi, c.c. Bong-po, TBTS long kai-iong TL. Chit-si-kan POJ soah bo saN hoat-piau e khong-kan.
POJ & TL leng-goa chit e kho-leng e koan-he si kiong-chun, hun-kang. Bo su-iau ti chit 2 e he-thong soan-tek, 2 e long chi-chhi, m-koh ki-jian koaN-hong chi-chhi TL, ti kau-iok the-che, cheng-hu e kang-teng tioh chiau cheng-hu e kui-teng khi kiaN, chhun-e bin-kan e LMJ ke-siok su-iong POJ, che si goa chin-cheng thiaN lang ka goa kong bi-lai POJ & TL e koan-he, chit-ma cho-liau an-choaN goa bo-kai chheng-chho. Thui-sak TL e lang chin sin-khou, goa kan-ta ng-bang m-thang ka POJ e chun-chai, su-iong tong-cho si TL thui-sak sit-pai e piau-si. Goa ko-jin e-tang tong-si chi-chhi POJ & TL, m-koh na iau-kiu goa hong-khi POJ chiah sng si chi-chhi TL, goa jin-ui bo pit-iau. Goa tak-pai khi chheh-kiok na khoaN-tioh koh u POJ e ji-tian ah-si chheh chhut-pan long e chin hoaN-hi. Bun-ji e seN-mia-lek bo hoat-tou thau-koe cheng-hu e hoat-leng lai ui-chhi, bin-kan chu-hoat-seng e, tng-ki-e su-iong chiah-si tiong-iau.
I-siong 2 chiong POJ & TL e koan-he tak-ke bong chham-kho, kho-leng koh u ki-tha e kho-leng-seng.
Hak-khiam
2009/3/25 Tekhoa :
Apang hiaN kap tak-e:
goa chanseng ai tholun
1) kian-na tu tioh chit-khoan bunte, chong--si e u lang khng kong au-jit-a chiah tholun kiatko iaubpe tan kau au-jit-a, bunte mna bo kaikoat, soah ju bun ju giamtiong
2) "hun-liat" chit-hang taichi punlai to bian khoan kah hiah tang ui tioh thoankiat boai ka taichi kong beng, sitche siong tianto e checho hunliat
3) chiaN che lang long ittit kong TL iah si POJ tak-e beh sia toh 1 tho to sia toh 1 tho kong si bo m-tioh, mkoh che oe soah ma siuN koe khang na bo, si anchoaN e ittit u iaukiu patlang sia/kai cho TL e chengheng chhut-hian?
4) tenghoe tholun kau chit-e bunte e si, goa u the-chhut kong: si, bo mtioh, takl-e chuiu soantek beh iong toh 1 tho mkoh tauko--chhut-khi toa pouhun e souchai long iaukiu ai iong TL anne, chit khoan "chu-iu5" u siaNmih i-gi?
Tekhoa
----- Original Message ----- 寄件者: apang.chiu 收件者: 副本: TGB(G) ; Tavokan Kh㮮 Hu䁢ῠ ; Iunn Un-gian 傳送日期: 2009年3月24日 下午 11:45 主旨: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut Kok-ui : Sio-ti kian-gi pat-jit thang-lai tho-lun. Lan bo hun-liat e pun. Kat thau ho* khui, m-thang lu phah lu an, pian si-kat, Kho-lu siong-se. Pai-thok !
A-pang
PS : Teng-koan/ting-kuan e gi-su POJ kap TL long e thong, kam m-si? ChhiaN/tshiann sam-su. -----Original message----- From:Kei TADA To:Iunn Un-gian Cc:Tai-gu-bang , Date:Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:12:15 +0900 Subject:[tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Ungian hiaN,
Goa e chu-i Ungian hiaN sou the-khi chit-e bun-te.
TLPA ah-si TL si, i POJ cho ki-chhou e he-thong.
Su-iong TLPA ah-si TL bo eng-kai ap-pek POJ e su-iong.
TL na jim-tong POJ cho i e bo-chhin, chi-chhi POJ e lang chiah e chi-chhi TL.
Lan na e-sai chham-u hun-hoa le?
TADA
2009/3/24 Iunn Un-gian :
Takke ho :
Suijian chia e buntoe chincheng ikeng u tholun ke a, goa ma bo siuNbeh ke kong, mkoh kinajit koh hoatseng 1-koa taichi, jichhiaN kah KhinhoaN hiaN u koanhe.
Goa chincheng hoanlo e, TL iahbe sengkong, goanlai suiong POJ e lang soah hun choe 2-phai. Chite buntoe, khoaN khilai iahkoh si chin giamtiong.
Goa chitma chin bo-eng, taichi long cho boe oan, soui goa kholeng e 4/15 i-au, chhe sikan tiam Taigubang hoho-a lai kong chit kiaN taichi e kengke, kah goa e siuNhoat.
Goa jim-ui nasi chhuli bo ho, Tailohoe ma e chhuthian chenggi, choseng TLH e hunliat. Si annoa goa e anne kong, inui chincheng KhinhoaN hiaN bat uitioh TLH bo suiong TL, kong beh si lisu, chitma KhinhoaN hiaN si TLH e siong-bu lisu, soui chit-e buntoe itteng e koh toa jipkhi TLH.
Suijian Taibunkoan hitpeng jimtong goa e chohoat, mkoh choeau goa iong POJ sia e bunchiuN, pitsu ai kai cho TL. LMJ susia hethong hiahni choe, 10 kui tang chincheng, goa e LMJ hong kai choe Thong-iong hengsek e LMJ, goa bat kongkhai khonggi, bo siuNtioh chitpai soah si hou kaki e lang kiongpek ai siukai, goa boe kongkhai khonggi, mkoh choattui e kongkhai tholun chit chan taichi.
Inui goa jim-ui nasi bo tholun, POj e suiong e kesiok hou TL appek. Lan na chaiiaN lan bo hunliat e punchiN, si annoa chitkhoan taichi e itchai hoatseng ?
-- Iunn Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 (O) 03-821-0871 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
Re: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
From: gmail
Date: 2009-03-26 04:02:51
Goa siuN. Chit e bun-toe e-sai hun-choe kui-a hong-bin lai su-kho:
- su-iong chia (khan-siap lang-sou, LMJ i-goan, kap thai-tou)
- chhui-sak chia (che si thai-tou bun-toe)
- koaN-hong (chit e tan-ui m-bat chhui-sak koe LMJ) Goa beh kong e chu-iau si KIP kap che-teng TL e pou-hun: TL kap POJ, i bok-chian kho-ki (tian-chu hoa) lai-kong, choan-oaN si chin kan-tan e tai-chi, ia-toh-si tian-chu liu-thoan bo jim-ho e khun-lan (chhiaN chham-kho TG SBA), sou-i khoaN--khi-lai chi-si, su-sia kap in-soat e soan-tek bun-toe ji-i. Khin-hoaN hiaN it-tit kong KIP kong-pou, lan tioh long eng-kai chiau cho. U I khou-sim e sou-chai. M-ku, goa jin-ui KMT e KIP chu thau kau boe long m-bat ka lan tau-saN-kang siaN-mih, lan ho-pit thiaN in e. Lan pun-lai tioh-si bin-kan e chu-hoat heng-tong. KoaN-hong bo the-thiap bin-cheng, che si sit-bin-chia e sim-thai. Lan beh khi hou I au--khi. Ki-sit goa si chin m-goan. Koh chai kong, che-teng TL e ui-goan, tu-liau Khin-hoaN hiaN, chi-goa kam koh u lang teh chhui-sak LMJ???? In kam bat sia koe TGB, iah-si jim-ho bun-chiuN kong beh chhui-sak LMJ ??? In bo-lang teh eng, choaN chai-iaN POJ kap TL e ho-bai, iah-si i-keng lau--loh-lai e chu-goan u siaN-mih. Koe-khi hun-tau e seng-ko(ChhiaN chham-kho Un-gian hiaN e bang-cham), In oe 1 oe tioh long hu-siau. Chin kho-oN! Chiau chit e pan-se, Lan bo-kho-leng u kian-choan e chit-jit. Hit jit na beh lai, in he KIP koaN-oan iu-koh lai 1 e hoe, ka Li hu-tiau. Chin kin, Chin khoai!!!! Sou-i goa jin-ui, Lan 1) seng chhui-kong LMJ su-sia TGB 2) Su-iong siong-choe chu-goan e POJ, ke-siok cheng-ka POJ chu-goan. An-ni, chiu-sng KIP hoaiN-pa-pa, lan ma boe tng-kun khi. NA-si toe KIP, chin-chiaN beh si m-chai tang-si.
Khai
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hak-khiam TiuN" To: "Tekhoa" Cc: "Taigibang" Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Tak-ke ho:
Ungian hiaN theh-chhut chit e bun-te, goa siuN chin tat-tit tho-lun. Tong-jian i kong e POJ & TL e chhiong-tut chi-si POJ & TL koan-he e chit-chiong. E hong u chhiong-tut e kam-kak ma chin ho li-kai, in-ui POJ & TL e chi-chhi-chia u teng-thah, koh ka-siong pun-te su-iong POJ e Tai-bun chap-chi, c.c. Bong-po, TBTS long kai-iong TL. Chit-si-kan POJ soah bo saN hoat-piau e khong-kan.
POJ & TL leng-goa chit e kho-leng e koan-he si kiong-chun, hun-kang. Bo su-iau ti chit 2 e he-thong soan-tek, 2 e long chi-chhi, m-koh ki-jian koaN-hong chi-chhi TL, ti kau-iok the-che, cheng-hu e kang-teng tioh chiau cheng-hu e kui-teng khi kiaN, chhun-e bin-kan e LMJ ke-siok su-iong POJ, che si goa chin-cheng thiaN lang ka goa kong bi-lai POJ & TL e koan-he, chit-ma cho-liau an-choaN goa bo-kai chheng-chho. Thui-sak TL e lang chin sin-khou, goa kan-ta ng-bang m-thang ka POJ e chun-chai, su-iong tong-cho si TL thui-sak sit-pai e piau-si. Goa ko-jin e-tang tong-si chi-chhi POJ & TL, m-koh na iau-kiu goa hong-khi POJ chiah sng si chi-chhi TL, goa jin-ui bo pit-iau. Goa tak-pai khi chheh-kiok na khoaN-tioh koh u POJ e ji-tian ah-si chheh chhut-pan long e chin hoaN-hi. Bun-ji e seN-mia-lek bo hoat-tou thau-koe cheng-hu e hoat-leng lai ui-chhi, bin-kan chu-hoat-seng e, tng-ki-e su-iong chiah-si tiong-iau.
I-siong 2 chiong POJ & TL e koan-he tak-ke bong chham-kho, kho-leng koh u ki-tha e kho-leng-seng.
Hak-khiam
2009/3/25 Tekhoa :
Apang hiaN kap tak-e:
goa chanseng ai tholun
1) kian-na tu tioh chit-khoan bunte, chong--si e u lang khng kong au-jit-a chiah tholun kiatko iaubpe tan kau au-jit-a, bunte mna bo kaikoat, soah ju bun ju giamtiong
2) "hun-liat" chit-hang taichi punlai to bian khoan kah hiah tang ui tioh thoankiat boai ka taichi kong beng, sitche siong tianto e checho hunliat
3) chiaN che lang long ittit kong TL iah si POJ tak-e beh sia toh 1 tho to sia toh 1 tho kong si bo m-tioh, mkoh che oe soah ma siuN koe khang na bo, si anchoaN e ittit u iaukiu patlang sia/kai cho TL e chengheng chhut-hian?
4) tenghoe tholun kau chit-e bunte e si, goa u the-chhut kong: si, bo mtioh, takl-e chuiu soantek beh iong toh 1 tho mkoh tauko--chhut-khi toa pouhun e souchai long iaukiu ai iong TL anne, chit khoan "chu-iu5" u siaNmih i-gi?
Tekhoa
----- Original Message ----- 寄件者: apang.chiu 收件者: 副本: TGB(G) ; Tavokan Kh㮮 Hu䁢ῠ ; Iunn Un-gian 傳送日期: 2009年3月24日 下午 11:45 主旨: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut Kok-ui : Sio-ti kian-gi pat-jit thang-lai tho-lun. Lan bo hun-liat e pun. Kat thau ho* khui, m-thang lu phah lu an, pian si-kat, Kho-lu siong-se. Pai-thok !
A-pang
PS : Teng-koan/ting-kuan e gi-su POJ kap TL long e thong, kam m-si? ChhiaN/tshiann sam-su. -----Original message----- From:Kei TADA To:Iunn Un-gian Cc:Tai-gu-bang , Date:Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:12:15 +0900 Subject:[tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Ungian hiaN,
Goa e chu-i Ungian hiaN sou the-khi chit-e bun-te.
TLPA ah-si TL si, i POJ cho ki-chhou e he-thong.
Su-iong TLPA ah-si TL bo eng-kai ap-pek POJ e su-iong.
TL na jim-tong POJ cho i e bo-chhin, chi-chhi POJ e lang chiah e chi-chhi TL.
Lan na e-sai chham-u hun-hoa le?
TADA
2009/3/24 Iunn Un-gian :
Takke ho :
Suijian chia e buntoe chincheng ikeng u tholun ke a, goa ma bo siuNbeh ke kong, mkoh kinajit koh hoatseng 1-koa taichi, jichhiaN kah KhinhoaN hiaN u koanhe.
Goa chincheng hoanlo e, TL iahbe sengkong, goanlai suiong POJ e lang soah hun choe 2-phai. Chite buntoe, khoaN khilai iahkoh si chin giamtiong.
Goa chitma chin bo-eng, taichi long cho boe oan, soui goa kholeng e 4/15 i-au, chhe sikan tiam Taigubang hoho-a lai kong chit kiaN taichi e kengke, kah goa e siuNhoat.
Goa jim-ui nasi chhuli bo ho, Tailohoe ma e chhuthian chenggi, choseng TLH e hunliat. Si annoa goa e anne kong, inui chincheng KhinhoaN hiaN bat uitioh TLH bo suiong TL, kong beh si lisu, chitma KhinhoaN hiaN si TLH e siong-bu lisu, soui chit-e buntoe itteng e koh toa jipkhi TLH.
Suijian Taibunkoan hitpeng jimtong goa e chohoat, mkoh choeau goa iong POJ sia e bunchiuN, pitsu ai kai cho TL. LMJ susia hethong hiahni choe, 10 kui tang chincheng, goa e LMJ hong kai choe Thong-iong hengsek e LMJ, goa bat kongkhai khonggi, bo siuNtioh chitpai soah si hou kaki e lang kiongpek ai siukai, goa boe kongkhai khonggi, mkoh choattui e kongkhai tholun chit chan taichi.
Inui goa jim-ui nasi bo tholun, POj e suiong e kesiok hou TL appek. Lan na chaiiaN lan bo hunliat e punchiN, si annoa chitkhoan taichi e itchai hoatseng ?
-- Iunn Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 (O) 03-821-0871 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
Re: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
From: Lau Seng-hian
Date: 2009-03-25 13:38:46
我 ê 想法:
顧面桶 tik 實 bē 信用--得。就親像 Ha̍k-khiam 兄 kap Jū-khái 兄所講--ê，咱當然無 beh 放棄民間 ê 力量，總--是，咱 án-ne 講 ê 時，kám 就代表咱「完全無 beh 利用政府機構內底 ê 資源」，iah 是咱「完全無想 beh 促成政府政策 ê tshui-sak kap 改變？」
頂 kuân tsit-ê 問題，ìn 講「是」ê 人，有資格 khiā-thîng-thîng huah-hiàm i 無 beh hiù 羅馬字整合，無 beh tshap KIP；若是 ìn「m̄ 是」ê 人，或者是有 bat 使用(／爭取／想 beh 利用) 政府資源 ê 人，kap iáu-koh 想 beh 造成政策改變 ê 人，beh án-tsuáⁿ 有立場 án-ne 講，我想 bē-hiáu。
上基本 ê 1 點是：政府機構／公機關 ê 出版品，tio̍h 一致使用 KIP 台羅，án-ne tsiah bē hőng khiā，洪 á 秀柱 in 刪除台語認證 ê 預算 ê 時，有起 1 ê 攔頭號做「拼音系統 iáu-buē 一致，無應該辦認證考試」，kám 講咱 beh 大大典典用行動證明 in m̄ 是 teh hau-siâu？
除非，咱有影按算 beh 據在 tsit-ê 政府去舞，無 beh the̍h i 1 sián 錢，無 beh ka sak ka tu̍h，無--tsiá，咱 tio̍h 翻頭想看咱 beh khiā siáⁿ-mih 款立場。
2009/3/26 gmail
Goa siuN. Chit e bun-toe e-sai hun-choe kui-a hong-bin lai su-kho:
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su-iong chia (khan-siap lang-sou, LMJ i-goan, kap thai-tou)
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chhui-sak chia (che si thai-tou bun-toe)
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koaN-hong (chit e tan-ui m-bat chhui-sak koe LMJ)
Goa beh kong e chu-iau si KIP kap che-teng TL e pou-hun:
TL kap POJ, i bok-chian kho-ki (tian-chu hoa) lai-kong, choan-oaN si chin
kan-tan e tai-chi, ia-toh-si tian-chu liu-thoan bo jim-ho e khun-lan (chhiaN
chham-kho TG SBA), sou-i khoaN--khi-lai chi-si, su-sia kap in-soat e
soan-tek bun-toe ji-i. Khin-hoaN hiaN it-tit kong KIP kong-pou, lan tioh
long eng-kai chiau cho. U I khou-sim e sou-chai. M-ku, goa jin-ui KMT e KIP
chu thau kau boe long m-bat ka lan tau-saN-kang siaN-mih, lan ho-pit thiaN
in e. Lan pun-lai tioh-si bin-kan e chu-hoat heng-tong. KoaN-hong bo
the-thiap bin-cheng, che si sit-bin-chia e sim-thai. Lan beh khi hou I
au--khi. Ki-sit goa si chin m-goan. Koh chai kong, che-teng TL e ui-goan,
tu-liau Khin-hoaN hiaN, chi-goa kam koh u lang teh chhui-sak LMJ???? In kam
bat sia koe TGB, iah-si jim-ho bun-chiuN kong beh chhui-sak LMJ ??? In
bo-lang teh eng, choaN chai-iaN POJ kap TL e ho-bai, iah-si i-keng
lau--loh-lai e chu-goan u siaN-mih. Koe-khi hun-tau e seng-ko(ChhiaN
chham-kho Un-gian hiaN e bang-cham), In oe 1 oe tioh long hu-siau. Chin
kho-oN!
Chiau chit e pan-se, Lan bo-kho-leng u kian-choan e chit-jit. Hit jit na beh
lai, in he KIP koaN-oan iu-koh lai 1 e hoe, ka Li hu-tiau. Chin kin, Chin
khoai!!!!
Sou-i goa jin-ui, Lan 1) seng chhui-kong LMJ su-sia TGB 2) Su-iong
siong-choe chu-goan e POJ, ke-siok cheng-ka POJ chu-goan. An-ni, chiu-sng
KIP hoaiN-pa-pa, lan ma boe tng-kun khi. NA-si toe KIP, chin-chiaN beh si
m-chai tang-si.
Khai
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hak-khiam TiuN"
To: "Tekhoa"
Cc: "Taigibang"
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Tak-ke ho:
Ungian hiaN theh-chhut chit e bun-te, goa siuN chin tat-tit tho-lun.
Tong-jian i kong e POJ & TL e chhiong-tut chi-si POJ & TL koan-he e
chit-chiong.
E hong u chhiong-tut e kam-kak ma chin ho li-kai, in-ui POJ & TL e
chi-chhi-chia u teng-thah,
koh ka-siong pun-te su-iong POJ e Tai-bun chap-chi, c.c. Bong-po, TBTS
long kai-iong TL.
Chit-si-kan POJ soah bo saN hoat-piau e khong-kan.
POJ & TL leng-goa chit e kho-leng e koan-he si kiong-chun, hun-kang.
Bo su-iau ti chit 2 e he-thong soan-tek,
2 e long chi-chhi, m-koh ki-jian koaN-hong chi-chhi TL, ti kau-iok
the-che, cheng-hu e kang-teng tioh chiau cheng-hu
e kui-teng khi kiaN, chhun-e bin-kan e LMJ ke-siok su-iong POJ, che si
goa chin-cheng thiaN lang ka goa kong bi-lai
POJ & TL e koan-he, chit-ma cho-liau an-choaN goa bo-kai chheng-chho.
Thui-sak TL e lang chin sin-khou, goa kan-ta ng-bang
m-thang ka POJ e chun-chai, su-iong tong-cho si TL thui-sak sit-pai e
piau-si. Goa ko-jin e-tang tong-si chi-chhi POJ & TL,
m-koh na iau-kiu goa hong-khi POJ chiah sng si chi-chhi TL, goa jin-ui
bo pit-iau. Goa tak-pai khi chheh-kiok na khoaN-tioh
koh u POJ e ji-tian ah-si chheh chhut-pan long e chin hoaN-hi. Bun-ji
e seN-mia-lek bo hoat-tou thau-koe cheng-hu e hoat-leng lai ui-chhi,
bin-kan chu-hoat-seng e, tng-ki-e su-iong chiah-si tiong-iau.
I-siong 2 chiong POJ & TL e koan-he tak-ke bong chham-kho, kho-leng
koh u ki-tha e kho-leng-seng.
Hak-khiam
2009/3/25 Tekhoa :
Apang hiaN kap tak-e:
goa chanseng ai tholun
1) kian-na tu tioh chit-khoan bunte, chong--si e u lang khng kong au-jit-a
chiah tholun
kiatko iaubpe tan kau au-jit-a, bunte mna bo kaikoat, soah ju bun ju
giamtiong
2) "hun-liat" chit-hang taichi punlai to bian khoan kah hiah tang
ui tioh thoankiat boai ka taichi kong beng,
sitche siong tianto e checho hunliat
3) chiaN che lang long ittit kong TL iah si POJ tak-e beh sia toh 1 tho to
sia toh 1 tho
kong si bo m-tioh, mkoh che oe soah ma siuN koe khang
na bo, si anchoaN e ittit u iaukiu patlang sia/kai cho TL e chengheng
chhut-hian?
4) tenghoe tholun kau chit-e bunte e si, goa u the-chhut kong:
si, bo mtioh, takl-e chuiu soantek beh iong toh 1 tho
mkoh tauko--chhut-khi toa pouhun e souchai long iaukiu ai iong TL
anne, chit khoan "chu-iu5" u siaNmih i-gi?
Tekhoa
----- Original Message -----
寄件者: apang.chiu
收件者:
副本: TGB(G) ; Tavokan Kh㮮 Hu䁢ῠ ; Iunn Un-gian
傳送日期: 2009年3月24日 下午 11:45
主旨: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Kok-ui :
Sio-ti kian-gi pat-jit thang-lai tho-lun.
Lan bo hun-liat e pun.
Kat thau ho* khui, m-thang lu phah lu an, pian si-kat,
Kho-lu siong-se.
Pai-thok !
A-pang
PS : Teng-koan/ting-kuan e gi-su POJ kap TL long e thong, kam m-si?
ChhiaN/tshiann sam-su.
-----Original message-----
From:Kei TADA
To:Iunn Un-gian
Cc:Tai-gu-bang ,
Date:Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:12:15 +0900
Subject:[tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Ungian hiaN,
Goa e chu-i Ungian hiaN sou the-khi chit-e bun-te.
TLPA ah-si TL si, i POJ cho ki-chhou e he-thong.
Su-iong TLPA ah-si TL bo eng-kai ap-pek POJ e su-iong.
TL na jim-tong POJ cho i e bo-chhin, chi-chhi POJ e lang chiah e chi-chhi
TL.
Lan na e-sai chham-u hun-hoa le?
TADA
2009/3/24 Iunn Un-gian :
Takke ho :
Suijian chia e buntoe chincheng ikeng u tholun ke a, goa ma bo siuNbeh ke
kong, mkoh kinajit koh hoatseng 1-koa taichi, jichhiaN kah KhinhoaN hiaN
u
koanhe.
Goa chincheng hoanlo e, TL iahbe sengkong, goanlai suiong POJ e lang soah
hun choe 2-phai. Chite buntoe, khoaN khilai iahkoh si chin giamtiong.
Goa chitma chin bo-eng, taichi long cho boe oan, soui goa kholeng e 4/15
i-au, chhe sikan tiam Taigubang hoho-a lai kong chit kiaN taichi e
kengke,
kah goa e siuNhoat.
Goa jim-ui nasi chhuli bo ho, Tailohoe ma e chhuthian chenggi, choseng
TLH
e
hunliat. Si annoa goa e anne kong, inui chincheng KhinhoaN hiaN bat
uitioh
TLH bo suiong TL, kong beh si lisu, chitma KhinhoaN hiaN si TLH e
siong-bu
lisu, soui chit-e buntoe itteng e koh toa jipkhi TLH.
Suijian Taibunkoan hitpeng jimtong goa e chohoat, mkoh choeau goa iong
POJ
sia e bunchiuN, pitsu ai kai cho TL. LMJ susia hethong hiahni choe, 10
kui
tang chincheng, goa e LMJ hong kai choe Thong-iong hengsek e LMJ, goa bat
kongkhai khonggi, bo siuNtioh chitpai soah si hou kaki e lang kiongpek ai
siukai, goa boe kongkhai khonggi, mkoh choattui e kongkhai tholun chit
chan
taichi.
Inui goa jim-ui nasi bo tholun, POj e suiong e kesiok hou TL appek. Lan
na
chaiiaN lan bo hunliat e punchiN, si annoa chitkhoan taichi e itchai
hoatseng ?
--
Iunn Un-gian 楊允言
Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授
(O) 03-821-0871
-- Lau, Seng-hian
～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～
Re: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
From: Iunn Un-gian
Date: 2009-03-25 13:56:46
Seng-hian :
Kasu suiong bo it-ti to boesai pan jim-cheng, goa e siuNhoat si
(1) Hoagu boesai pan jim-cheng (Kok-hau ka chu-im, tengbin u e sak Thongiong, u e sak Hangu phengim, binkan ma iahkoh kui lo tho
(2) Khehoe kah Goanchubingu ma boesai pan jim-cheng.
Nasi chite liiu senglip, goa siuN, KhinhoaN hiaN chit-si-lang bo kholeng tan tioh Taigu jim-cheng e keng-hui.
Goa boetang liongkai e si, lin ho-pit ka Kok-bin-tong boai poah Taigu jim-cheng kenghui hou lan, koaichoe ti sia Taigu, mkoh bo suiong TL e lang !
Kasu lin ka bo iong TL sia Taigu e lang e hoatpiau khongkan long hongsat, chhun boai sia Taibun, mkoh kholeng khauthau chichhi TL e lang, Taigu jim-cheng e kenghui simsi to e lohlai ? Taigubun untong nasi chengkeng kiaN kau chit e toe-pou, li kam jim-ui thuisak TL si sengkong e ?
Ungian 3.25
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:38:46 +0800, Lau Seng-hian wrote
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beh [UTF-8?]khi� [UTF-8?]si獺��-mih 款立場。
2009/3/26 gmail
Goa siuN. Chit e bun-toe e-sai hun-choe kui-a hong-bin lai su-kho:
- su-iong chia (khan-siap lang-sou, LMJ i-goan, kap thai-tou)
- chhui-sak chia (che si thai-tou bun-toe)
- koaN-hong (chit e tan-ui m-bat chhui-sak koe LMJ)
Goa beh kong e chu-iau si KIP [UTF-8?]法ap che-teng TL e pou-hun:
TL kap POJ, i bok-chian kho-ki (tian-chu hoa) lai-kong, choan-oaN si
chin
kan-tan e tai-chi, ia-toh-si tian-chu liu-thoan bo jim-ho e khun-lan
(chhiaN
chham-kho TG SBA), sou-i khoaN--khi-lai chi-si, su-sia kap in-soat e
soan-tek bun-toe ji-i. Khin-hoaN hiaN it-tit kong KIP kong-pou, lan tioh
long eng-kai chiau cho. U I khou-sim e sou-chai. M-ku, goa jin-ui KMT e
KIP
chu thau kau boe long m-bat ka lan tau-saN-kang siaN-mih, lan ho-pit
thiaN
in e. Lan pun-lai tioh-si bin-kan e chu-hoat heng-tong. KoaN-hong bo
the-thiap bin-cheng, che si sit-bin-chia e sim-thai. Lan beh khi hou I
au--khi. Ki-sit goa si chin m-goan. Koh chai kong, che-teng TL e
ui-goan,
tu-liau Khin-hoaN hiaN, chi-goa kam koh u lang teh chhui-sak LMJ???? [UTF-8?]點n
kam
bat sia koe TGB, iah-si jim-ho bun-chiuN kong beh chhui-sak LMJ ??? [UTF-8?]點n
bo-lang teh eng, choaN chai-iaN POJ kap TL e ho-bai, iah-si i-keng
lau--loh-lai e chu-goan u siaN-mih. Koe-khi hun-tau e seng-ko(ChhiaN
chham-kho Un-gian hiaN e bang-cham), In oe 1 oe tioh long hu-siau. Chin
kho-oN!
Chiau chit e pan-se, Lan bo-kho-leng u kian-choan e chit-jit. Hit jit na
beh
lai, in he KIP koaN-oan iu-koh lai 1 e hoe, ka Li hu-tiau. Chin kin,
Chin
khoai!!!!
Sou-i goa jin-ui, Lan 1) seng chhui-kong LMJ su-sia TGB 2) Su-iong
siong-choe chu-goan e POJ, ke-siok cheng-ka POJ chu-goan. [UTF-8?]你n-ni,
chiu-sng
KIP hoaiN-pa-pa, lan ma boe tng-kun khi. NA-si toe KIP, chin-chiaN beh
si
m-chai tang-si.
Khai
----- Original Message
From: "Hak-khiam TiuN"
To: "Tekhoa"
Cc: "Taigibang"
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Tak-ke ho:
Ungian hiaN theh-chhut chit e bun-te, goa siuN chin tat-tit tho-lun.
Tong-jian i kong e POJ & TL e chhiong-tut chi-si POJ & TL koan-he
e
chit-chiong.
E hong u chhiong-tut e kam-kak ma chin ho li-kai, in-ui POJ & TL e
chi-chhi-chia u teng-thah,
koh ka-siong pun-te su-iong POJ e Tai-bun chap-chi, c.c. Bong-po, TBTS
long kai-iong TL.
Chit-si-kan POJ soah bo saN hoat-piau e khong-kan.
POJ & TL leng-goa chit e kho-leng e koan-he si kiong-chun, hun-kang.
Bo su-iau ti chit 2 e he-thong soan-tek,
2 e long chi-chhi, m-koh ki-jian koaN-hong chi-chhi TL, ti kau-iok
the-che, cheng-hu e kang-teng tioh chiau cheng-hu
e kui-teng khi kiaN, chhun-e bin-kan e LMJ ke-siok su-iong POJ, che si
goa chin-cheng thiaN lang ka goa kong bi-lai
POJ & TL e koan-he, chit-ma cho-liau an-choaN goa bo-kai
chheng-chho.
Thui-sak TL e lang chin sin-khou, goa kan-ta ng-bang
m-thang ka POJ e chun-chai, su-iong tong-cho si TL thui-sak sit-pai e
piau-si. Goa ko-jin e-tang tong-si chi-chhi POJ & TL,
m-koh na iau-kiu goa hong-khi POJ chiah sng si chi-chhi TL, goa jin-ui
bo pit-iau. Goa tak-pai khi chheh-kiok na khoaN-tioh
koh u POJ e ji-tian ah-si chheh chhut-pan long e chin hoaN-hi. Bun-ji
e seN-mia-lek bo hoat-tou thau-koe cheng-hu e hoat-leng lai ui-chhi,
bin-kan chu-hoat-seng e, tng-ki-e su-iong chiah-si tiong-iau.
I-siong 2 chiong POJ & TL e koan-he tak-ke bong chham-kho, kho-leng
koh u ki-tha e kho-leng-seng.
Hak-khiam
2009/3/25 Tekhoa :
Apang hiaN kap tak-e:
goa chanseng ai tholun
1) kian-na tu tioh chit-khoan bunte, chong--si e u lang khng kong
au-jit-a
chiah tholun
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� kiatko iaubpe tan kau au-jit-a, bunte mna bo kaikoat, soah ju bun
ju
giamtiong
2) "hun-liat" chit-hang taichi punlai to bian khoan kah hiah
tang
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]真i tioh thoankiat boai ka taichi kong beng,
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]群itche siong tianto e checho hunliat
3) chiaN che lang long ittit kong TL iah si POJ tak-e beh sia toh 1 tho
to
sia toh 1 tho
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� kong si bo m-tioh, mkoh che oe soah ma siuN koe khang
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� na bo, si anchoaN e ittit u iaukiu patlang sia/kai cho TL e
chengheng
chhut-hian?
4) tenghoe tholun kau chit-e bunte e si, goa u the-chhut kong:
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� si, bo mtioh, takl-e chuiu soantek beh iong toh 1 tho
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� mkoh tauko--chhut-khi toa pouhun e souchai long iaukiu ai iong
TL
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� anne, chit khoan "chu-iu5" u siaNmih i-gi?
Tekhoa
----- Original Message
寄件者: apang.chiu
收件者:
副本: TGB(G) ; Tavokan Kh㮮 Hu䁢ῠ ; Iunn
Un-gian
傳送日期: 2009年3月24日 下午 11:45
主旨: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Kok-ui :
Sio-ti kian-gi pat-jit thang-lai tho-lun.
Lan bo hun-liat e pun.
Kat thau ho* khui, m-thang lu phah lu an, pian si-kat,
Kho-lu siong-se.
Pai-thok !
A-pang
PS : Teng-koan/ting-kuan e gi-su POJ kap TL long e thong, kam m-si?
ChhiaN/tshiann sam-su.
-----Original message-----
From:Kei TADA
To:Iunn Un-gian
Cc:Tai-gu-bang ,
Date:Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:12:15 +0900
Subject:[tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Ungian hiaN,
Goa e chu-i Ungian hiaN sou the-khi chit-e bun-te.
TLPA ah-si TL si, i POJ cho ki-chhou e he-thong.
Su-iong TLPA ah-si TL bo eng-kai ap-pek POJ e su-iong.
TL na jim-tong POJ cho i e bo-chhin, chi-chhi POJ e lang chiah e
chi-chhi
TL.
Lan na e-sai chham-u hun-hoa le?
TADA
2009/3/24 Iunn Un-gian :
Takke ho :
Suijian chia e buntoe chincheng ikeng u tholun ke a, goa ma bo siuNbeh
ke
kong, mkoh kinajit koh hoatseng 1-koa taichi, jichhiaN kah KhinhoaN
hiaN
u
koanhe.
Goa chincheng hoanlo e, TL iahbe sengkong, goanlai suiong POJ e lang
soah
hun choe 2-phai. Chite buntoe, khoaN khilai iahkoh si chin
giamtiong.
Goa chitma chin bo-eng, taichi long cho boe oan, soui goa kholeng e
4/15
i-au, chhe sikan tiam Taigubang hoho-a lai kong chit kiaN taichi
e
kengke,
kah goa e siuNhoat.
Goa jim-ui nasi chhuli bo ho, Tailohoe ma e chhuthian chenggi,
choseng
TLH
e
hunliat. Si annoa goa e anne kong, inui chincheng KhinhoaN hiaN
bat
uitioh
TLH bo suiong TL, kong beh si lisu, chitma KhinhoaN hiaN si TLH
e
siong-bu
lisu, soui chit-e buntoe itteng e koh toa jipkhi TLH.
Suijian Taibunkoan hitpeng jimtong goa e chohoat, mkoh choeau goa
iong
POJ
sia e bunchiuN, pitsu ai kai cho TL. LMJ susia hethong hiahni choe,
10
kui
tang chincheng, goa e LMJ hong kai choe Thong-iong hengsek e LMJ, goa
bat
kongkhai khonggi, bo siuNtioh chitpai soah si hou kaki e lang kiongpek
ai
siukai, goa boe kongkhai khonggi, mkoh choattui e kongkhai tholun
chit
chan
taichi.
Inui goa jim-ui nasi bo tholun, POj e suiong e kesiok hou TL appek.
Lan
na
chaiiaN lan bo hunliat e punchiN, si annoa chitkhoan taichi e
itchai
hoatseng ?
--
Iunn Un-gian 楊允言
Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授
(O) 03-821-0871
--
Lau,
Seng-hian
[UTF-8?]嚚靁访 koh 在定，ma [UTF-8?]�⊥粐憭綨�嚚�
--
Iunn Un-gian 楊允言
Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授
(O) 03-821-0871
Re: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
From: Lau Seng-hian
Date: 2009-03-25 14:13:02
Ún-giân 兄：
「系統無一致」，是洪 á 秀柱 in ê 藉口內底 ê 1 ê，當然 m̄ 是 in 心內正港 ê 理由，我 ê 意思是：咱 kám 有必要替 in 製造機會 hō͘ in 起 khang 起 sún？
第二，我所講 ê「一致」，是指「政府／公部門」出版品頂 kuân 書寫系統 ê 一致，m̄ 是指通台灣一致，你舉 Hak-fa kap 原住民語 ê 例，請想看 māi：Hak-fa kap 原住民語辦認證 tsìn 前，是 m̄ 是 mā 有透過程序做書寫系統 ê 規範？另外，「政府／公部門」ê 出版品內底，kám 有可能無照政府本身所公佈 ê 書寫系統？ 因為 m̄ 管按怎講，「政府」有 teh 出面辦 tsiah-ê 認證考試，kám m̄ 是？
請 m̄-thang 誤解，我當然無 kā 顧面桶取消 hō͘ 母語 tshui-sak ê 政府資源，來怪罪無使用 TL ê 人，tse 無合 tī 我頭前 hit 篇文章 ê 意思，另外，關係李勤岸老師 ê 部份，我無法度替伊發言，我 kan-taⁿ ē-tàng 講我 ka-tī ê 想法。
《台文 BONG 報》kap《台文通訊》lóng 是民間機構，政府對
2009/3/25 Iunn Un-gian
Seng-hian :
Kasu suiong bo it-ti to boesai pan jim-cheng, goa e siuNhoat si
(1) Hoagu boesai pan jim-cheng (Kok-hau ka chu-im, tengbin u e sak Thongiong, u e sak Hangu phengim, binkan ma iahkoh kui lo tho
(2) Khehoe kah Goanchubingu ma boesai pan jim-cheng.
Nasi chite liiu senglip, goa siuN, KhinhoaN hiaN chit-si-lang bo kholeng tan tioh Taigu jim-cheng e keng-hui.
Goa boetang liongkai e si, lin ho-pit ka Kok-bin-tong boai poah Taigu jim-cheng kenghui hou lan, koaichoe ti sia Taigu, mkoh bo suiong TL e lang !
Kasu lin ka bo iong TL sia Taigu e lang e hoatpiau khongkan long hongsat, chhun boai sia Taibun, mkoh kholeng khauthau chichhi TL e lang, Taigu jim-cheng e kenghui simsi to e lohlai ? Taigubun untong nasi chengkeng kiaN kau chit e toe-pou, li kam jim-ui thuisak TL si sengkong e ?
Ungian 3.25
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:38:46 +0800, Lau Seng-hian wrote
我 [UTF-8?]礙
想法:
顧面桶 tik 實 [UTF-8?]b� 信用--得。就親像
[UTF-8?]Ha法-khiam 兄 kap [UTF-8?]J贖-kh獺i [UTF-8?]�栋�雓�--礙嚗鉴県�嗥钏�� beh 放棄民間 [UTF-8?]礙
力量，總--是，咱 [UTF-8?]獺n-ne 講 [UTF-8?]礙 [UTF-8?]�恠�k獺m 就代表法「完全無 beh
利用政府機構內底 [UTF-8?]礙 資源」，iah 是咱「完全無想 beh
促成政府政策 [UTF-8?]礙 tshui-sak kap 改變？」
頂 [UTF-8?]ku璽n
[UTF-8?]tsit-礙 [UTF-8?]�镣�嚗鹤�n [UTF-8?�n雓�霁伨�弪� 人，有資格 [UT�H-8?]khi�-th簾ng-th簾ng
[UTF-8?]huah-hi鄉 i 無 beh [UTF-8?]hi羅 羅馬字整合，無 beh tshap KIP；若是 [UTF-8?]穫n�嗫�
[UTF-8?]�胯�弪� 人，或者是有 bat �H用(∕爭取∕想 beh 利用) 政府資源
[UTF-8?]礙 人，kap [UTF-8?]i獺u-koh 想 beh 造成政策改變 [UTF-8?]礙 人，beh [UTF-8?]獺n-tsu獺��
有立場 [UTF-8?]獺n-ne 講，我想 [UTF-8?]b�-hi獺u��
上基本 [UTF-8?]礙 1
點是：政府機構∕公機關 [UTF-8?]礙 [UTF-8?]�箇��睻�tio去 一致使用 KI�t
[UTF-8?]�啁�嚗鹤》-ne tsiah [UTF-8?]b� [UTF-8?]h要g [UTF-8?]khi�嚗霁揪 [UTF-8?]獺 秀柱 in 刪除台語認證 [UTF-8?]礙
預算 [UTF-8?]礙 時，有起 1 [UTF-8?]礙 攔頭號做「拼音系統 [UTF-8?]i獺u-bu�
[UTF-8?]銝��湛��⊥�閰脰齒隤诎��饥岫��O�k獺m 講咱 beh �O�j�k典典用行動證明 in [UTF-8?]m� �O teh [UTF-8?]�Oau-si璽u嚗�
除非，咱有影按算 beh 據在 [UTF-8?]tsit-礙 政府去舞，無 beh [UTF-8?]the多 i 1
[UTF-8?]si獺n 錢，無 beh ka sak ka [UTF-8?]tu多嚗鞑访--tsi獺嚗鉴県 [UTF-8?]tio去 翻頭想看咱
beh [UTF-8?]khi� [UTF-8?]si獺��-mih 款立場。
2009/3/26 gmail
Goa siuN. Chit e bun-toe e-sai hun-choe kui-a hong-bin lai su-kho:
- su-iong chia (khan-siap lang-sou, LMJ i-goan, kap thai-tou)
- chhui-sak chia (che si thai-tou bun-toe)
- koaN-hong (chit e tan-ui m-bat chhui-sak koe LMJ)
Goa beh kong e chu-iau si KIP [UTF-8?]法ap che-teng TL e pou-hun:
TL kap POJ, i bok-chian kho-ki (tian-chu hoa) lai-kong, choan-oaN si
chin
kan-tan e tai-chi, ia-toh-si tian-chu liu-thoan bo jim-ho e khun-lan
(chhiaN
chham-kho TG SBA), sou-i khoaN--khi-lai chi-si, su-sia kap in-soat e
soan-tek bun-toe ji-i. Khin-hoaN hiaN it-tit kong KIP kong-pou, lan tioh
long eng-kai chiau cho. U I khou-sim e sou-chai. M-ku, goa jin-ui KMT e
KIP
chu thau kau boe long m-bat ka lan tau-saN-kang siaN-mih, lan ho-pit
thiaN
in e. Lan pun-lai tioh-si bin-kan e chu-hoat heng-tong. KoaN-hong bo
the-thiap bin-cheng, che si sit-bin-chia e sim-thai. Lan beh khi hou I
au--khi. Ki-sit goa si chin m-goan. Koh chai kong, che-teng TL e
ui-goan,
tu-liau Khin-hoaN hiaN, chi-goa kam koh u lang teh chhui-sak LMJ???? [UTF-8?]點n
kam
bat sia koe TGB, iah-si jim-ho bun-chiuN kong beh chhui-sak LMJ ??? [UTF-8?]點n
bo-lang teh eng, choaN chai-iaN POJ kap TL e ho-bai, iah-si i-keng
lau--loh-lai e chu-goan u siaN-mih. Koe-khi hun-tau e seng-ko(ChhiaN
chham-kho Un-gian hiaN e bang-cham), In oe 1 oe tioh long hu-siau. Chin
kho-oN!
Chiau chit e pan-se, Lan bo-kho-leng u kian-choan e chit-jit. Hit jit na
beh
lai, in he KIP koaN-oan iu-koh lai 1 e hoe, ka Li hu-tiau. Chin kin,
Chin
khoai!!!!
Sou-i goa jin-ui, Lan 1) seng chhui-kong LMJ su-sia TGB 2) Su-iong
siong-choe chu-goan e POJ, ke-siok cheng-ka POJ chu-goan. [UTF-8?]你n-ni,
chiu-sng
KIP hoaiN-pa-pa, lan ma boe tng-kun khi. NA-si toe KIP, chin-chiaN beh
si
m-chai tang-si.
Khai
----- Original Message
From: "Hak-khiam TiuN"
To: "Tekhoa"
Cc: "Taigibang"
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Tak-ke ho:
Ungian hiaN theh-chhut chit e bun-te, goa siuN chin tat-tit tho-lun.
Tong-jian i kong e POJ & TL e chhiong-tut chi-si POJ & TL koan-he
e
chit-chiong.
E hong u chhiong-tut e kam-kak ma chin ho li-kai, in-ui POJ & TL e
chi-chhi-chia u teng-thah,
koh ka-siong pun-te su-iong POJ e Tai-bun chap-chi, c.c. Bong-po, TBTS
long kai-iong TL.
Chit-si-kan POJ soah bo saN hoat-piau e khong-kan.
POJ & TL leng-goa chit e kho-leng e koan-he si kiong-chun, hun-kang.
Bo su-iau ti chit 2 e he-thong soan-tek,
2 e long chi-chhi, m-koh ki-jian koaN-hong chi-chhi TL, ti kau-iok
the-che, cheng-hu e kang-teng tioh chiau cheng-hu
e kui-teng khi kiaN, chhun-e bin-kan e LMJ ke-siok su-iong POJ, che si
goa chin-cheng thiaN lang ka goa kong bi-lai
POJ & TL e koan-he, chit-ma cho-liau an-choaN goa bo-kai
chheng-chho.
Thui-sak TL e lang chin sin-khou, goa kan-ta ng-bang
m-thang ka POJ e chun-chai, su-iong tong-cho si TL thui-sak sit-pai e
piau-si. Goa ko-jin e-tang tong-si chi-chhi POJ & TL,
m-koh na iau-kiu goa hong-khi POJ chiah sng si chi-chhi TL, goa jin-ui
bo pit-iau. Goa tak-pai khi chheh-kiok na khoaN-tioh
koh u POJ e ji-tian ah-si chheh chhut-pan long e chin hoaN-hi. Bun-ji
e seN-mia-lek bo hoat-tou thau-koe cheng-hu e hoat-leng lai ui-chhi,
bin-kan chu-hoat-seng e, tng-ki-e su-iong chiah-si tiong-iau.
I-siong 2 chiong POJ & TL e koan-he tak-ke bong chham-kho, kho-leng
koh u ki-tha e kho-leng-seng.
Hak-khiam
2009/3/25 Tekhoa :
Apang hiaN kap tak-e:
goa chanseng ai tholun
1) kian-na tu tioh chit-khoan bunte, chong--si e u lang khng kong
au-jit-a
chiah tholun
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� kiatko iaubpe tan kau au-jit-a, bunte mna bo kaikoat, soah ju bun
ju
giamtiong
2) "hun-liat" chit-hang taichi punlai to bian khoan kah hiah
tang
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]真i tioh thoankiat boai ka taichi kong beng,
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]群itche siong tianto e checho hunliat
3) chiaN che lang long ittit kong TL iah si POJ tak-e beh sia toh 1 tho
to
sia toh 1 tho
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� kong si bo m-tioh, mkoh che oe soah ma siuN koe khang
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� na bo, si anchoaN e ittit u iaukiu patlang sia/kai cho TL e
chengheng
chhut-hian?
4) tenghoe tholun kau chit-e bunte e si, goa u the-chhut kong:
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� si, bo mtioh, takl-e chuiu soantek beh iong toh 1 tho
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� mkoh tauko--chhut-khi toa pouhun e souchai long iaukiu ai iong
TL
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� anne, chit khoan "chu-iu5" u siaNmih i-gi?
Tekhoa
----- Original Message
寄件者: apang.chiu
收件者:
副本: TGB(G) ; Tavokan Kh㮮 Hu䁢ῠ ; Iunn
Un-gian
傳送日期: 2009年3月24日 下午 11:45
主旨: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Kok-ui :
Sio-ti kian-gi pat-jit thang-lai tho-lun.
Lan bo hun-liat e pun.
Kat thau ho* khui, m-thang lu phah lu an, pian si-kat,
Kho-lu siong-se.
Pai-thok !
A-pang
PS : Teng-koan/ting-kuan e gi-su POJ kap TL long e thong, kam m-si?
ChhiaN/tshiann sam-su.
-----Original message-----
From:Kei TADA
To:Iunn Un-gian
Cc:Tai-gu-bang ,
Date:Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:12:15 +0900
Subject:[tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Ungian hiaN,
Goa e chu-i Ungian hiaN sou the-khi chit-e bun-te.
TLPA ah-si TL si, i POJ cho ki-chhou e he-thong.
Su-iong TLPA ah-si TL bo eng-kai ap-pek POJ e su-iong.
TL na jim-tong POJ cho i e bo-chhin, chi-chhi POJ e lang chiah e
chi-chhi
TL.
Lan na e-sai chham-u hun-hoa le?
TADA
2009/3/24 Iunn Un-gian :
Takke ho :
Suijian chia e buntoe chincheng ikeng u tholun ke a, goa ma bo siuNbeh
ke
kong, mkoh kinajit koh hoatseng 1-koa taichi, jichhiaN kah KhinhoaN
hiaN
u
koanhe.
Goa chincheng hoanlo e, TL iahbe sengkong, goanlai suiong POJ e lang
soah
hun choe 2-phai. Chite buntoe, khoaN khilai iahkoh si chin
giamtiong.
Goa chitma chin bo-eng, taichi long cho boe oan, soui goa kholeng e
4/15
i-au, chhe sikan tiam Taigubang hoho-a lai kong chit kiaN taichi
e
kengke,
kah goa e siuNhoat.
Goa jim-ui nasi chhuli bo ho, Tailohoe ma e chhuthian chenggi,
choseng
TLH
e
hunliat. Si annoa goa e anne kong, inui chincheng KhinhoaN hiaN
bat
uitioh
TLH bo suiong TL, kong beh si lisu, chitma KhinhoaN hiaN si TLH
e
siong-bu
lisu, soui chit-e buntoe itteng e koh toa jipkhi TLH.
Suijian Taibunkoan hitpeng jimtong goa e chohoat, mkoh choeau goa
iong
POJ
sia e bunchiuN, pitsu ai kai cho TL. LMJ susia hethong hiahni choe,
10
kui
tang chincheng, goa e LMJ hong kai choe Thong-iong hengsek e LMJ, goa
bat
kongkhai khonggi, bo siuNtioh chitpai soah si hou kaki e lang kiongpek
ai
siukai, goa boe kongkhai khonggi, mkoh choattui e kongkhai tholun
chit
chan
taichi.
Inui goa jim-ui nasi bo tholun, POj e suiong e kesiok hou TL appek.
Lan
na
chaiiaN lan bo hunliat e punchiN, si annoa chitkhoan taichi e
itchai
hoatseng ?
--
Iunn Un-gian 楊允言
Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授
(O) 03-821-0871
--
Lau,
Seng-hian
[UTF-8?]嚚靁访 koh 在定，ma [UTF-8?]�⊥粐憭綨�嚚�
--
Iunn Un-gian 楊允言
Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授
(O) 03-821-0871
-- Lau, Seng-hian
～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～
Re: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
From: Lau Seng-hian
Date: 2009-03-25 14:15:38
Ún-giân 兄：
「系統無一致」，是洪 á 秀柱 in ê 藉口內底 ê 1 ê，當然 m̄ 是 in 心內正港 ê 理由，我 ê 意思是：咱 kám 有必要替 in 製造機會 hō͘ in 起 khang 起 sún？
第 二，我所講 ê「一致」，是指「政府／公部門」出版品頂 kuân 書寫系統 ê 一致，m̄ 是指通台灣一致，你舉 Hak-fa kap 原住民語 ê 例，請想看 māi：Hak-fa kap 原住民語辦認證 tsìn 前，是 m̄ 是 mā 有透過程序做書寫系統 ê 規範？另外，「政府／公部門」ê 出版品內底，kám 有可能無照政府本身所公佈 ê 書寫系統？ 因為 m̄ 管按怎講，「政府」有 teh 出面辦 tsiah-ê 認證考試，kám m̄ 是？
請 m̄-thang 誤解，我當然無 kā 顧面桶取消 hō͘ 母語 tshui-sak ê 政府資源，來怪罪無使用 TL ê 人，tse 無合 tī 我頭前 hit 篇文章 ê 意思，另外，關係李勤岸老師 ê 部份，我無法度替伊發言，我 kan-taⁿ ē-tàng 講我 ka-tī ê 想法。
《台文 BONG 報》kap《台文通訊》lóng 是民間機構，政府對 in ê 刊物發行無用資源支持，in ê 編輯、政策，是董事會等來做決定，封殺傳統 POJ ê 發表空間，相信 m̄ 是 in 採用 TL ê 目標。
2009/3/25 Lau Seng-hian
Ún-giân 兄：
「系統無一致」，是洪 á 秀柱 in ê 藉口內底 ê 1 ê，當然 m̄ 是 in 心內正港 ê 理由，我 ê 意思是：咱 kám 有必要替 in 製造機會 hō͘ in 起 khang 起 sún？
第二，我所講 ê「一致」，是指「政府／公部門」出版品頂 kuân 書寫系統 ê 一致，m̄ 是指通台灣一致，你舉 Hak-fa kap 原住民語 ê 例，請想看 māi：Hak-fa kap 原住民語辦認證 tsìn 前，是 m̄ 是 mā 有透過程序做書寫系統 ê 規範？另外，「政府／公部門」ê 出版品內底，kám 有可能無照政府本身所公佈 ê 書寫系統？ 因為 m̄ 管按怎講，「政府」有 teh 出面辦 tsiah-ê 認證考試，kám m̄ 是？
請 m̄-thang 誤解，我當然無 kā 顧面桶取消 hō͘ 母語 tshui-sak ê 政府資源，來怪罪無使用 TL ê 人，tse 無合 tī 我頭前 hit 篇文章 ê 意思，另外，關係李勤岸老師 ê 部份，我無法度替伊發言，我 kan-taⁿ ē-tàng 講我 ka-tī ê 想法。
《台文 BONG 報》kap《台文通訊》lóng 是民間機構，政府對
2009/3/25 Iunn Un-gian
Seng-hian :
Kasu suiong bo it-ti to boesai pan jim-cheng, goa e siuNhoat si
(1) Hoagu boesai pan jim-cheng (Kok-hau ka chu-im, tengbin u e sak Thongiong, u e sak Hangu phengim, binkan ma iahkoh kui lo tho
(2) Khehoe kah Goanchubingu ma boesai pan jim-cheng.
Nasi chite liiu senglip, goa siuN, KhinhoaN hiaN chit-si-lang bo kholeng tan tioh Taigu jim-cheng e keng-hui.
Goa boetang liongkai e si, lin ho-pit ka Kok-bin-tong boai poah Taigu jim-cheng kenghui hou lan, koaichoe ti sia Taigu, mkoh bo suiong TL e lang !
Kasu lin ka bo iong TL sia Taigu e lang e hoatpiau khongkan long hongsat, chhun boai sia Taibun, mkoh kholeng khauthau chichhi TL e lang, Taigu jim-cheng e kenghui simsi to e lohlai ? Taigubun untong nasi chengkeng kiaN kau chit e toe-pou, li kam jim-ui thuisak TL si sengkong e ?
Ungian 3.25
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:38:46 +0800, Lau Seng-hian wrote
我 [UTF-8?]礙
想法:
顧面桶 tik 實 [UTF-8?]b� 信用--得。就親像
[UTF-8?]Ha法-khiam 兄 kap [UTF-8?]J贖-kh獺i [UTF-8?]�栋�雓�--礙嚗鉴県�嗥钏�� beh 放棄民間 [UTF-8?]礙
力量，總--是，咱 [UTF-8?]獺n-ne 講 [UTF-8?]礙 [UTF-8?]�恠�k獺m 就代表咱「完全無 be�k
利用政府機構內底 [UTF-8?]礙 資源」，iah 是咱「完全無想 beh
促成政府政策 [UTF-8?]礙 tshui-sak kap 改變？」
頂 [UTF-8?]ku璽n
[UTF-8?]tsit-礙 [UTF-8?]�镣�嚗鹤�n [UTF-8?]雓�霁伨�弪�n 人，有資格 [UTF-8?]khi�H-th簾ng-th簾ng
[UTF-8?]huah-hi鄉 i 無 beh [UTF-8?]hi羅 羅馬字整合，無 beh tshap KIP；若是 [UTF-8?]穫n�嗫�
[UTF-8?]�胯�弪� 人，或者是有 bat 使用(∕爭取∕�Q�Hbeh 利用) 政府資源
[UTF-8?]礙 人，kap [UTF-8?]i獺u-koh 想 beh 造成政策改變 [UTF-8?]礙 人，beh [UTF-8?]獺n-tsu獺��
有立場 [UTF-8?]獺n-ne 講，我想 [UTF-8?]b�-hi獺u��
上基本 [UTF-8?]礙 1
點是：政府機構∕公機關 [UTF-8?]礙 [UTF-8?]�箇��睻�tio去 一致使用 KIP
[UTF�t8?]�啁�嚗鹤》-ne tsiah [UTF-8?]b� [UTF-8?]h要g [UTF-8?]khi�嚗霁揪 [UTF-8?]獺 秀柱 in 刪除台語認證 [UTF-8?]礙
預算 [UTF-8?]礙 時，有起 1 [UTF-8?]礙 攔頭號做「拼音系統 [UTF-8?]i獺u-bu�
[UTF-8?]銝��湛��⊥�閰脰齒隤诎��饥岫��O�k獺m 講咱 beh
大大典典用行動�O明�kin [UTF-8?]m� �O teh [UTF-8?]hau-si璽u�O�
除非，咱有影按算 beh 據在 [UTF-8?]tsit-礙 政府去舞，無 beh [UTF-8?]the多 i 1
[UTF-8?]si獺n 錢，無 beh ka sak ka [UTF-8?]tu多嚗鞑访--tsi獺嚗鉴県 [UTF-8?]tio去 翻頭想看咱
beh [UTF-8?]khi� [UTF-8?]si獺��-mih 款立場。
2009/3/26 gmail
Goa siuN. Chit e bun-toe e-sai hun-choe kui-a hong-bin lai su-kho:
- su-iong chia (khan-siap lang-sou, LMJ i-goan, kap thai-tou)
- chhui-sak chia (che si thai-tou bun-toe)
- koaN-hong (chit e tan-ui m-bat chhui-sak koe LMJ)
Goa beh kong e chu-iau si KIP [UTF-8?]法ap che-teng TL e pou-hun:
TL kap POJ, i bok-chian kho-ki (tian-chu hoa) lai-kong, choan-oaN si
chin
kan-tan e tai-chi, ia-toh-si tian-chu liu-thoan bo jim-ho e khun-lan
(chhiaN
chham-kho TG SBA), sou-i khoaN--khi-lai chi-si, su-sia kap in-soat e
soan-tek bun-toe ji-i. Khin-hoaN hiaN it-tit kong KIP kong-pou, lan tioh
long eng-kai chiau cho. U I khou-sim e sou-chai. M-ku, goa jin-ui KMT e
KIP
chu thau kau boe long m-bat ka lan tau-saN-kang siaN-mih, lan ho-pit
thiaN
in e. Lan pun-lai tioh-si bin-kan e chu-hoat heng-tong. KoaN-hong bo
the-thiap bin-cheng, che si sit-bin-chia e sim-thai. Lan beh khi hou I
au--khi. Ki-sit goa si chin m-goan. Koh chai kong, che-teng TL e
ui-goan,
tu-liau Khin-hoaN hiaN, chi-goa kam koh u lang teh chhui-sak LMJ???? [UTF-8?]點n
kam
bat sia koe TGB, iah-si jim-ho bun-chiuN kong beh chhui-sak LMJ ??? [UTF-8?]點n
bo-lang teh eng, choaN chai-iaN POJ kap TL e ho-bai, iah-si i-keng
lau--loh-lai e chu-goan u siaN-mih. Koe-khi hun-tau e seng-ko(ChhiaN
chham-kho Un-gian hiaN e bang-cham), In oe 1 oe tioh long hu-siau. Chin
kho-oN!
Chiau chit e pan-se, Lan bo-kho-leng u kian-choan e chit-jit. Hit jit na
beh
lai, in he KIP koaN-oan iu-koh lai 1 e hoe, ka Li hu-tiau. Chin kin,
Chin
khoai!!!!
Sou-i goa jin-ui, Lan 1) seng chhui-kong LMJ su-sia TGB 2) Su-iong
siong-choe chu-goan e POJ, ke-siok cheng-ka POJ chu-goan. [UTF-8?]你n-ni,
chiu-sng
KIP hoaiN-pa-pa, lan ma boe tng-kun khi. NA-si toe KIP, chin-chiaN beh
si
m-chai tang-si.
Khai
----- Original Message
From: "Hak-khiam TiuN"
To: "Tekhoa"
Cc: "Taigibang"
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Tak-ke ho:
Ungian hiaN theh-chhut chit e bun-te, goa siuN chin tat-tit tho-lun.
Tong-jian i kong e POJ & TL e chhiong-tut chi-si POJ & TL koan-he
e
chit-chiong.
E hong u chhiong-tut e kam-kak ma chin ho li-kai, in-ui POJ & TL e
chi-chhi-chia u teng-thah,
koh ka-siong pun-te su-iong POJ e Tai-bun chap-chi, c.c. Bong-po, TBTS
long kai-iong TL.
Chit-si-kan POJ soah bo saN hoat-piau e khong-kan.
POJ & TL leng-goa chit e kho-leng e koan-he si kiong-chun, hun-kang.
Bo su-iau ti chit 2 e he-thong soan-tek,
2 e long chi-chhi, m-koh ki-jian koaN-hong chi-chhi TL, ti kau-iok
the-che, cheng-hu e kang-teng tioh chiau cheng-hu
e kui-teng khi kiaN, chhun-e bin-kan e LMJ ke-siok su-iong POJ, che si
goa chin-cheng thiaN lang ka goa kong bi-lai
POJ & TL e koan-he, chit-ma cho-liau an-choaN goa bo-kai
chheng-chho.
Thui-sak TL e lang chin sin-khou, goa kan-ta ng-bang
m-thang ka POJ e chun-chai, su-iong tong-cho si TL thui-sak sit-pai e
piau-si. Goa ko-jin e-tang tong-si chi-chhi POJ & TL,
m-koh na iau-kiu goa hong-khi POJ chiah sng si chi-chhi TL, goa jin-ui
bo pit-iau. Goa tak-pai khi chheh-kiok na khoaN-tioh
koh u POJ e ji-tian ah-si chheh chhut-pan long e chin hoaN-hi. Bun-ji
e seN-mia-lek bo hoat-tou thau-koe cheng-hu e hoat-leng lai ui-chhi,
bin-kan chu-hoat-seng e, tng-ki-e su-iong chiah-si tiong-iau.
I-siong 2 chiong POJ & TL e koan-he tak-ke bong chham-kho, kho-leng
koh u ki-tha e kho-leng-seng.
Hak-khiam
2009/3/25 Tekhoa :
Apang hiaN kap tak-e:
goa chanseng ai tholun
1) kian-na tu tioh chit-khoan bunte, chong--si e u lang khng kong
au-jit-a
chiah tholun
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� kiatko iaubpe tan kau au-jit-a, bunte mna bo kaikoat, soah ju bun
ju
giamtiong
2) "hun-liat" chit-hang taichi punlai to bian khoan kah hiah
tang
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]真i tioh thoankiat boai ka taichi kong beng,
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]群itche siong tianto e checho hunliat
3) chiaN che lang long ittit kong TL iah si POJ tak-e beh sia toh 1 tho
to
sia toh 1 tho
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� kong si bo m-tioh, mkoh che oe soah ma siuN koe khang
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� na bo, si anchoaN e ittit u iaukiu patlang sia/kai cho TL e
chengheng
chhut-hian?
4) tenghoe tholun kau chit-e bunte e si, goa u the-chhut kong:
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� si, bo mtioh, takl-e chuiu soantek beh iong toh 1 tho
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� mkoh tauko--chhut-khi toa pouhun e souchai long iaukiu ai iong
TL
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� anne, chit khoan "chu-iu5" u siaNmih i-gi?
Tekhoa
----- Original Message
寄件者: apang.chiu
收件者:
副本: TGB(G) ; Tavokan Kh㮮 Hu䁢ῠ ; Iunn
Un-gian
傳送日期: 2009年3月24日 下午 11:45
主旨: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Kok-ui :
Sio-ti kian-gi pat-jit thang-lai tho-lun.
Lan bo hun-liat e pun.
Kat thau ho* khui, m-thang lu phah lu an, pian si-kat,
Kho-lu siong-se.
Pai-thok !
A-pang
PS : Teng-koan/ting-kuan e gi-su POJ kap TL long e thong, kam m-si?
ChhiaN/tshiann sam-su.
-----Original message-----
From:Kei TADA
To:Iunn Un-gian
Cc:Tai-gu-bang ,
Date:Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:12:15 +0900
Subject:[tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Ungian hiaN,
Goa e chu-i Ungian hiaN sou the-khi chit-e bun-te.
TLPA ah-si TL si, i POJ cho ki-chhou e he-thong.
Su-iong TLPA ah-si TL bo eng-kai ap-pek POJ e su-iong.
TL na jim-tong POJ cho i e bo-chhin, chi-chhi POJ e lang chiah e
chi-chhi
TL.
Lan na e-sai chham-u hun-hoa le?
TADA
2009/3/24 Iunn Un-gian :
Takke ho :
Suijian chia e buntoe chincheng ikeng u tholun ke a, goa ma bo siuNbeh
ke
kong, mkoh kinajit koh hoatseng 1-koa taichi, jichhiaN kah KhinhoaN
hiaN
u
koanhe.
Goa chincheng hoanlo e, TL iahbe sengkong, goanlai suiong POJ e lang
soah
hun choe 2-phai. Chite buntoe, khoaN khilai iahkoh si chin
giamtiong.
Goa chitma chin bo-eng, taichi long cho boe oan, soui goa kholeng e
4/15
i-au, chhe sikan tiam Taigubang hoho-a lai kong chit kiaN taichi
e
kengke,
kah goa e siuNhoat.
Goa jim-ui nasi chhuli bo ho, Tailohoe ma e chhuthian chenggi,
choseng
TLH
e
hunliat. Si annoa goa e anne kong, inui chincheng KhinhoaN hiaN
bat
uitioh
TLH bo suiong TL, kong beh si lisu, chitma KhinhoaN hiaN si TLH
e
siong-bu
lisu, soui chit-e buntoe itteng e koh toa jipkhi TLH.
Suijian Taibunkoan hitpeng jimtong goa e chohoat, mkoh choeau goa
iong
POJ
sia e bunchiuN, pitsu ai kai cho TL. LMJ susia hethong hiahni choe,
10
kui
tang chincheng, goa e LMJ hong kai choe Thong-iong hengsek e LMJ, goa
bat
kongkhai khonggi, bo siuNtioh chitpai soah si hou kaki e lang kiongpek
ai
siukai, goa boe kongkhai khonggi, mkoh choattui e kongkhai tholun
chit
chan
taichi.
Inui goa jim-ui nasi bo tholun, POj e suiong e kesiok hou TL appek.
Lan
na
chaiiaN lan bo hunliat e punchiN, si annoa chitkhoan taichi e
itchai
hoatseng ?
--
Iunn Un-gian 楊允言
Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授
(O) 03-821-0871
--
Lau,
Seng-hian
[UTF-8?]嚚靁访 koh 在定，ma [UTF-8?]�⊥粐憭綨�嚚�
--
Iunn Un-gian 楊允言
Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授
(O) 03-821-0871
-- Lau, Seng-hian
～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～
-- Lau, Seng-hian
～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～
Re: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
From: Kei TADA
Date: 2009-03-25 14:21:42
Ungian hiaN:
Lan si-m-si chiam-tui ku-the e bun-te chit-e chit-e lai hun-sek, kai-koat.
Ungian hiaN sui-jian li chit-chun bo si-kan, si-m-si e-tang hou gun chai-iaN si siaN-lang kiong-pek li iong TL?
TADA
2009/3/25 Lau Seng-hian :
Ún-giân 兄：
「系統無一致」，是洪 á 秀柱 in ê 藉口內底 ê 1 ê，當然 m̄ 是 in 心內正港 ê 理由，我 ê 意思是：咱 kám 有必要替 in 製造機會 hō͘ in 起 khang 起 sún？
第二，我所講 ê「一致」，是指「政府／公部門」出版品頂 kuân 書寫系統 ê 一致，m̄ 是指通台灣一致，你舉 Hak-fa kap 原住民語 ê 例，請想看 māi：Hak-fa kap 原住民語辦認證 tsìn 前，是 m̄ 是 mā 有透過程序做書寫系統 ê 規範？另外，「政府／公部門」ê 出版品內底，kám 有可能無照政府本身所公佈 ê 書寫系統？ 因為 m̄ 管按怎講，「政府」有 teh 出面辦 tsiah-ê 認證考試，kám m̄ 是？
請 m̄-thang 誤解，我當然無 kā 顧面桶取消 hō͘ 母語 tshui-sak ê 政府資源，來怪罪無使用 TL ê 人，tse 無合 tī 我頭前 hit 篇文章 ê 意思，另外，關係李勤岸老師 ê 部份，我無法度替伊發言，我 kan-taⁿ ē-tàng 講我 ka-tī ê 想法。
《台文 BONG 報》kap《台文通訊》lóng 是民間機構，政府對
2009/3/25 Iunn Un-gian
Seng-hian :
Kasu suiong bo it-ti to boesai pan jim-cheng, goa e siuNhoat si (1) Hoagu boesai pan jim-cheng (Kok-hau ka chu-im, tengbin u e sak Thongiong, u e sak Hangu phengim, binkan ma iahkoh kui lo tho (2) Khehoe kah Goanchubingu ma boesai pan jim-cheng.
Nasi chite liiu senglip, goa siuN, KhinhoaN hiaN chit-si-lang bo kholeng tan tioh Taigu jim-cheng e keng-hui.
Goa boetang liongkai e si, lin ho-pit ka Kok-bin-tong boai poah Taigu jim-cheng kenghui hou lan, koaichoe ti sia Taigu, mkoh bo suiong TL e lang !
Kasu lin ka bo iong TL sia Taigu e lang e hoatpiau khongkan long hongsat, chhun boai sia Taibun, mkoh kholeng khauthau chichhi TL e lang, Taigu jim-cheng e kenghui simsi to e lohlai ? Taigubun untong nasi chengkeng kiaN kau chit e toe-pou, li kam jim-ui thuisak TL si sengkong e ?
Ungian 3.25 On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:38:46 +0800, Lau Seng-hian wrote
我 [UTF-8?]礙 想法:
顧面桶 tik 實 [UTF-8?]b� 信用--得。就親像 [UTF-8?]Ha法-khiam 兄 kap [UTF-8?]J贖-kh獺i [UTF-8?]�栋�雓�--礙嚗鉴県�嗥钏�� beh 放棄民間 [UTF-8?]礙 力量，總--是，咱 [UTF-8?]獺n-ne 講 [UTF-8?]礙 [UTF-8?]�恠�k獺m 就代表咱「完全無 beh 利用政府機構內法 [UTF-8?]礙 資源」，iah 是咱「完全無想 beh 促成政府政策 [UTF-8?]礙 tshui-sak kap 改變？」
頂 [UTF-8?]ku璽n [UTF-8?]tsit-礙 [UTF-8?]�镣�嚗鹤�n [UTF-8?]雓�霁伨�弪� 人，有資格 �n> > [UTF-8?]khi�-th�Hng-th簾ng [UTF-8?]huah-hi鄉 i 無 beh [UTF-8?]hi羅 羅馬字整合，無 beh tshap KIP；若是 [UTF-8?]穫n�嗫� [UTF-8?]�胯�弪� 人，或者是有 bat 使用(∕爭取∕想 beh 利用)�H政府資源 [UTF-8?]礙 人，kap [UTF-8?]i獺u-koh 想 beh 造成政策改變 [UTF-8?]礙 人，beh [UTF-8?]獺n-tsu獺�� 有立場 [UTF-8?]獺n-ne 講，我想 [UTF-8?]b�-hi獺u��
上基本 [UTF-8?]礙 1 點是：政府機構∕公機關 [UTF-8?]礙 [UTF-8?]�箇��睻�tio去 一致使用 KIP [UTF-8?]��t�嚗鹤》-ne tsiah [UTF-8?]b� [UTF-8?]h要g [UTF-8?]khi�嚗霁揪 [UTF-8?]獺 秀柱 in 刪除台語認證 [UTF-8?]礙 預算 [UTF-8?]礙 時，有起 1 [UTF-8?]礙 攔頭號做「拼音系統 [UTF-8?]i獺u-bu� [UTF-8?]銝��湛��⊥�閰脰齒隤诎��饥岫��O�k獺m 講咱 beh 大大典典用行動證明 in [UTF�O8�k]m� �O teh [UTF-8?]hau-si璽u嚗� �O > 除非，咱有影按算 beh 據在 [UTF-8?]tsit-礙 政府去舞，無 beh [UTF-8?]the多 i 1 [UTF-8?]si獺n 錢，無 beh ka sak ka [UTF-8?]tu多嚗鞑访--tsi獺嚗鉴県 [UTF-8?]tio去 翻頭想看咱 beh [UTF-8?]khi� [UTF-8?]si獺��-mih 款立場。
2009/3/26 gmail
Goa siuN. Chit e bun-toe e-sai hun-choe kui-a hong-bin lai su-kho:
- su-iong chia (khan-siap lang-sou, LMJ i-goan, kap thai-tou)
- chhui-sak chia (che si thai-tou bun-toe)
- koaN-hong (chit e tan-ui m-bat chhui-sak koe LMJ) Goa beh kong e chu-iau si KIP [UTF-8?]法ap che-teng TL e pou-hun: TL kap POJ, i bok-chian kho-ki (tian-chu hoa) lai-kong, choan-oaN si chin kan-tan e tai-chi, ia-toh-si tian-chu liu-thoan bo jim-ho e khun-lan (chhiaN chham-kho TG SBA), sou-i khoaN--khi-lai chi-si, su-sia kap in-soat e soan-tek bun-toe ji-i. Khin-hoaN hiaN it-tit kong KIP kong-pou, lan tioh long eng-kai chiau cho. U I khou-sim e sou-chai. M-ku, goa jin-ui KMT e KIP chu thau kau boe long m-bat ka lan tau-saN-kang siaN-mih, lan ho-pit thiaN in e. Lan pun-lai tioh-si bin-kan e chu-hoat heng-tong. KoaN-hong bo the-thiap bin-cheng, che si sit-bin-chia e sim-thai. Lan beh khi hou I au--khi. Ki-sit goa si chin m-goan. Koh chai kong, che-teng TL e ui-goan, tu-liau Khin-hoaN hiaN, chi-goa kam koh u lang teh chhui-sak LMJ???? [UTF-8?]點n kam bat sia koe TGB, iah-si jim-ho bun-chiuN kong beh chhui-sak LMJ ??? [UTF-8?]點n bo-lang teh eng, choaN chai-iaN POJ kap TL e ho-bai, iah-si i-keng lau--loh-lai e chu-goan u siaN-mih. Koe-khi hun-tau e seng-ko(ChhiaN chham-kho Un-gian hiaN e bang-cham), In oe 1 oe tioh long hu-siau. Chin kho-oN! Chiau chit e pan-se, Lan bo-kho-leng u kian-choan e chit-jit. Hit jit na beh lai, in he KIP koaN-oan iu-koh lai 1 e hoe, ka Li hu-tiau. Chin kin, Chin khoai!!!! Sou-i goa jin-ui, Lan 1) seng chhui-kong LMJ su-sia TGB 2) Su-iong siong-choe chu-goan e POJ, ke-siok cheng-ka POJ chu-goan. [UTF-8?]你n-ni, chiu-sng KIP hoaiN-pa-pa, lan ma boe tng-kun khi. NA-si toe KIP, chin-chiaN beh si m-chai tang-si.
Khai
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hak-khiam TiuN" To: "Tekhoa" Cc: "Taigibang" Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Tak-ke ho:
Ungian hiaN theh-chhut chit e bun-te, goa siuN chin tat-tit tho-lun. Tong-jian i kong e POJ & TL e chhiong-tut chi-si POJ & TL koan-he e chit-chiong. E hong u chhiong-tut e kam-kak ma chin ho li-kai, in-ui POJ & TL e chi-chhi-chia u teng-thah, koh ka-siong pun-te su-iong POJ e Tai-bun chap-chi, c.c. Bong-po, TBTS long kai-iong TL. Chit-si-kan POJ soah bo saN hoat-piau e khong-kan.
POJ & TL leng-goa chit e kho-leng e koan-he si kiong-chun, hun-kang. Bo su-iau ti chit 2 e he-thong soan-tek, 2 e long chi-chhi, m-koh ki-jian koaN-hong chi-chhi TL, ti kau-iok the-che, cheng-hu e kang-teng tioh chiau cheng-hu e kui-teng khi kiaN, chhun-e bin-kan e LMJ ke-siok su-iong POJ, che si goa chin-cheng thiaN lang ka goa kong bi-lai POJ & TL e koan-he, chit-ma cho-liau an-choaN goa bo-kai chheng-chho. Thui-sak TL e lang chin sin-khou, goa kan-ta ng-bang m-thang ka POJ e chun-chai, su-iong tong-cho si TL thui-sak sit-pai e piau-si. Goa ko-jin e-tang tong-si chi-chhi POJ & TL, m-koh na iau-kiu goa hong-khi POJ chiah sng si chi-chhi TL, goa jin-ui bo pit-iau. Goa tak-pai khi chheh-kiok na khoaN-tioh koh u POJ e ji-tian ah-si chheh chhut-pan long e chin hoaN-hi. Bun-ji e seN-mia-lek bo hoat-tou thau-koe cheng-hu e hoat-leng lai ui-chhi, bin-kan chu-hoat-seng e, tng-ki-e su-iong chiah-si tiong-iau.
I-siong 2 chiong POJ & TL e koan-he tak-ke bong chham-kho, kho-leng koh u ki-tha e kho-leng-seng.
Hak-khiam
2009/3/25 Tekhoa :
Apang hiaN kap tak-e:
goa chanseng ai tholun
1) kian-na tu tioh chit-khoan bunte, chong--si e u lang khng kong au-jit-a chiah tholun [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� kiatko iaubpe tan kau au-jit-a, bunte mna bo kaikoat, soah ju bun ju giamtiong
2) "hun-liat" chit-hang taichi punlai to bian khoan kah hiah tang [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]真i tioh thoankiat boai ka taichi kong beng, [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]群itche siong tianto e checho hunliat
3) chiaN che lang long ittit kong TL iah si POJ tak-e beh sia toh 1 tho to sia toh 1 tho [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� kong si bo m-tioh, mkoh che oe soah ma siuN koe khang [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� na bo, si anchoaN e ittit u iaukiu patlang sia/kai cho TL e chengheng chhut-hian?
4) tenghoe tholun kau chit-e bunte e si, goa u the-chhut kong: [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� si, bo mtioh, takl-e chuiu soantek beh iong toh 1 tho [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� mkoh tauko--chhut-khi toa pouhun e souchai long iaukiu ai iong TL [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� anne, chit khoan "chu-iu5" u siaNmih i-gi?
Tekhoa
----- Original Message ----- 寄件者: apang.chiu 收件者: 副本: TGB(G) ; Tavokan Kh㮮 Hu䁢ῠ ; Iunn Un-gian 傳送日期: 2009年3月24日 下午 11:45 主旨: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut Kok-ui : Sio-ti kian-gi pat-jit thang-lai tho-lun. Lan bo hun-liat e pun. Kat thau ho* khui, m-thang lu phah lu an, pian si-kat, Kho-lu siong-se. Pai-thok !
A-pang
PS : Teng-koan/ting-kuan e gi-su POJ kap TL long e thong, kam m-si? ChhiaN/tshiann sam-su. -----Original message----- From:Kei TADA To:Iunn Un-gian Cc:Tai-gu-bang , Date:Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:12:15 +0900 Subject:[tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Ungian hiaN,
Goa e chu-i Ungian hiaN sou the-khi chit-e bun-te.
TLPA ah-si TL si, i POJ cho ki-chhou e he-thong.
Su-iong TLPA ah-si TL bo eng-kai ap-pek POJ e su-iong.
TL na jim-tong POJ cho i e bo-chhin, chi-chhi POJ e lang chiah e chi-chhi TL.
Lan na e-sai chham-u hun-hoa le?
TADA
2009/3/24 Iunn Un-gian :
Takke ho :
Suijian chia e buntoe chincheng ikeng u tholun ke a, goa ma bo siuNbeh ke kong, mkoh kinajit koh hoatseng 1-koa taichi, jichhiaN kah KhinhoaN hiaN u koanhe.
Goa chincheng hoanlo e, TL iahbe sengkong, goanlai suiong POJ e lang soah hun choe 2-phai. Chite buntoe, khoaN khilai iahkoh si chin giamtiong.
Goa chitma chin bo-eng, taichi long cho boe oan, soui goa kholeng e 4/15 i-au, chhe sikan tiam Taigubang hoho-a lai kong chit kiaN taichi e kengke, kah goa e siuNhoat.
Goa jim-ui nasi chhuli bo ho, Tailohoe ma e chhuthian chenggi, choseng TLH e hunliat. Si annoa goa e anne kong, inui chincheng KhinhoaN hiaN bat uitioh TLH bo suiong TL, kong beh si lisu, chitma KhinhoaN hiaN si TLH e siong-bu lisu, soui chit-e buntoe itteng e koh toa jipkhi TLH.
Suijian Taibunkoan hitpeng jimtong goa e chohoat, mkoh choeau goa iong POJ sia e bunchiuN, pitsu ai kai cho TL. LMJ susia hethong hiahni choe, 10 kui tang chincheng, goa e LMJ hong kai choe Thong-iong hengsek e LMJ, goa bat kongkhai khonggi, bo siuNtioh chitpai soah si hou kaki e lang kiongpek ai siukai, goa boe kongkhai khonggi, mkoh choattui e kongkhai tholun chit chan taichi.
Inui goa jim-ui nasi bo tholun, POj e suiong e kesiok hou TL appek. Lan na chaiiaN lan bo hunliat e punchiN, si annoa chitkhoan taichi e itchai hoatseng ?
-- Iunn Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 (O) 03-821-0871 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
-- Lau, Seng-hian
[UTF-8?]嚚靁访 koh 在定，ma [UTF-8?]�⊥粐憭綨�嚚�
-- Iunn Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 (O) 03-821-0871 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
-- Lau, Seng-hian
～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～
Re: Re: {Spam?} Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
From: Iunn Un-gian
Date: 2009-03-25 14:45:29
Seng-hian :
Goa beh kong e si, chiiau lan beh suiong Taibun, in to e iong chiokhau ka lan chhe mahoan, sou-i goa jim-ui, kasu lan boai hou in kihoe ka lan chhe mahoan, uiit e honghoat tosi hongkhi Taibun, che tongjian paukoah hongkhi TL, anne li kam beh ? Nasi li kianchhi beh suiong Taibun, goa kiangi li mai iong Ang a siuthiau kong e liiu lai tholun chit-e buntoe.
seksu lunbun, phoksu lunbun, iahkoh kongpoumng e chhutpanphin, li kam kahkteng Khehoe kah Goanchubingu e susia hethong long it-ti ? Goa siuN si bo-iaN lah. Kijian bo-iaN, Taigu e bo itti na e piNchoe hiahni siongtiong e taichi ?
Taigu e pouhun, tuliau TL, KIP ma u pan Taigu phengim pisai, iahkoh u kongpou 400 jisu a, suijian kau chitma goa mbat khoaN tioh Taigubang to 1 e lang u chunchiau KIP e Hanji kuihoan tih suiong, paukoah KhinhoaN hiaN. 1-hong-bin, KIP e hanji kuihoan lan iah bo beh chun-siu, 1-hong-bin, koh u lang kiongliat iaukiu lan ai chunsiu KIP TL e kuihoan, che kam bo chhiongtut ?
Suijian luisu e buntoe lan chincheng ikeng kong ke a, chong--si, KhinhoaN hiaN mna 1-pai thekhi, TL thuisak hiahni khunlan, tosi lin chia e long bo beh chichhi. Goa jim-ui thuisak untong sinkhou, lang ma long u cheng-su, kamkah koh tholun ma bo tekpiat e igi, chong--si, chang hoatseng e taichi, ikeng chhiauke goa etang jim-siu e thengtou a. Goa chinchiaN jim-ui, anne bu lohkhi, TL iahbe thuisak sengkong, goanlai POJ e lang ikeng hunchoe 2-phai.
Kisit, chhiaN takke lai siatsiong taichi e ianpian, goa kong goa kojin to ho.
1-khoan si, goa suiong POJ, chhekliok siong goa ma chichhi TL (che si goa goanlai e phahsng)
lenggoa 1-khoan chengheng si, goa hong ap-pek boetang suiong POJ, ai kai cho TL, liauau goa khaisi sia bunchiuN phoepheng chichhi TL e lang e luntiam, koh ka goa koanli e bangcham iukoan TL e pouhun longchong theh tiau.
Takke khah hibong khoaNtioh siaNme khoan e kiatko ? Goa kamkah KhinhoaN hiaN ittit beh pek goa kiaN te 2 tiau lou, suijian goa iah bo siuNbeh anne cho.
KhinhoaN hiaN bat ka goa kong, lan e Taigubun untong e sitpai, longsi inui lan kaki e lang. Che ma chiaNchiaN si goa e simsiaN, chisi i jim-ui e hia e lang, kah goa jim-ui e hia e lang, si bokang 1-tin lang.
Ungian 3.25
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:15:38 +0800, Lau Seng-hian wrote
Ún-giân 兄：
「系統無一致」，是洪 á 秀柱 in ê 藉口內底 ê 1 ê，當然 m̄ 是 in 心內正港 ê 理由，我 ê 意思是：咱 kám 有必要替 in 製造機會 hō͘ in 起 khang 起 sún？
第 二，我所講 ê「一致」，是指「政府／公部門」出版品頂 kuân 書寫系統 ê 一致，m̄ 是指通台灣一致，你舉 Hak-fa kap 原住民語 ê 例，請想看 māi：Hak-fa kap 原住民語辦認證 tsìn 前，是 m̄ 是 mā 有透過程序做書寫系統 ê 規範？另外，「政府／公部門」ê 出版品內底，kám 有可能無照政府本身所公佈 ê 書寫系統？ 因為 m̄ 管按怎講，「政府」有 teh 出面辦 tsiah-ê 認證考試，kám m̄ 是？
請 m̄-thang 誤解，我當然無 kā 顧面桶取消 hō͘ 母語 tshui-sak ê 政府資源，來怪罪無使用 TL ê 人，tse 無合 tī 我頭前 hit 篇文章 ê 意思，另外，關係李勤岸老師 ê 部份，我無法度替伊發言，我 kan-taⁿ ē-tàng 講我 ka-tī ê 想法。
《台文 BONG 報》kap《台文通訊》lóng 是民間機構，政府對 in ê 刊物發行無用資源支持，in ê 編輯、政策，是董事會等來做決定，封殺傳統 POJ ê 發表空間，相信 m̄ 是 in 採用 TL ê 目標。
2009/3/25 Lau Seng-hian
Ún-giân 兄：
「系統無一致」，是洪 á 秀柱 in ê 藉口內底 ê 1 ê，當然 m̄ 是 in 心內正港 ê 理由，我 ê 意思是：咱 kám 有必要替 in 製造機會 hō͘ in 起 khang 起 sún？
第二，我所講 ê「一致」，是指「政府／公部門」出版品頂 kuân 書寫系統 ê 一致，m̄ 是指通台灣一致，你舉 Hak-fa kap 原住民語 ê 例，請想看 māi：Hak-fa kap 原住民語辦認證 tsìn 前，是 m̄ 是 mā 有透過程序做書寫系統 ê 規範？另外，「政府／公部門」ê 出版品內底，kám 有可能無照政府本身所公佈 ê 書寫系統？ 因為 m̄ 管按怎講，「政府」有 teh 出面辦 tsiah-ê 認證考試，kám m̄ 是？
請 m̄-thang 誤解，我當然無 kā 顧面桶取消 hō͘ 母語 tshui-sak ê 政府資源，來怪罪無使用 TL ê 人，tse 無合 tī 我頭前 hit 篇文章 ê 意思，另外，關係李勤岸老師 ê 部份，我無法度替伊發言，我 kan-taⁿ ē-tàng 講我 ka-tī ê 想法。
《台文 BONG 報》kap《台文通訊》lóng 是民間機構，政府對
2009/3/25 Iunn Un-gian
Seng-hian
:
Kasu suiong bo it-ti to boesai pan jim-cheng, goa e siuNhoat
si
(1) Hoagu boesai pan jim-cheng (Kok-hau ka chu-im, tengbin u e sak
Thongiong, u e sak Hangu phengim, binkan ma iahkoh kui lo
tho
(2) Khehoe kah Goanchubingu ma boesai pan
jim-cheng.
Nasi chite liiu senglip, goa siuN, KhinhoaN hiaN chit-si-lang bo kholeng
tan tioh Taigu jim-cheng e
keng-hui.
Goa boetang liongkai e si, lin ho-pit ka Kok-bin-tong boai poah Taigu
jim-cheng kenghui hou lan, koaichoe ti sia Taigu, mkoh bo suiong TL e lang
!
Kasu lin ka bo iong TL sia Taigu e lang e hoatpiau khongkan long hongsat,
chhun boai sia Taibun, mkoh kholeng khauthau chichhi TL e lang, Taigu jim-cheng
e kenghui simsi to e lohlai ? Taigubun untong nasi chengkeng kiaN kau chit e
toe-pou, li kam jim-ui thuisak TL si sengkong e
?
Ungian
3.25
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:38:46 +0800, Lau Seng-hian
wrote
我 [UTF-8?]礙
想法:
顧面桶 tik 實 [UTF-8?]b� 信用--得。就親像
[UTF-8?]Ha法-khiam 兄 kap [UTF-8?]J贖-kh獺i
[UTF-8?]�栋�雓�--礙嚗鉴県�嗥钏�� beh 放棄民間 [UTF-8?]礙
力量，總--是，咱 [UTF-8?]獺n-ne 講 [UTF-8?]礙 [UTF-8?]�恠�k獺m
就代表咱「完全無 beh
利用政府機構內底 [U�kF-8?]礙 資源」，iah 是咱「完全無想 beh
促成政府政策 [UTF-8?]礙 tshui-sak kap
改變？」
頂 [UTF-8?]ku璽n
[UTF-8?]tsit-礙 [UTF-8?]�镣�嚗鹤�n [UTF-8?]雓�霁伨�弪� 人，有資格
[UTF-�n?]khi�-th簾ng-th簾ng �H[UTF-8?]huah-hi鄉 i 無 beh [UTF-8?]hi羅 羅馬字整合，無 beh tshap KIP；若是
[UTF-8?]穫n�嗫�
[UTF-8?]�胯�弪� 人，或者是有 bat 使用(∕爭取∕想 beh 利用) 政府資源 �H[UTF-8?]礙 人，kap [UTF-8?]i獺u-koh 想 beh 造成政策改變 [UTF-8?]礙 人，beh
[UTF-8?]獺n-tsu獺��
有立場 [UTF-8?]獺n-ne 講，我想
[UTF-8?]b�-hi獺u��
上基本 [UTF-8?]礙 1
點是：政府機構∕公機關 [UTF-8?]礙 [UTF-8?]�箇��睻�tio去 一致使用 KIP
[UTF-8?]�啁�嚗鹤》-ne t�tiah [UTF-8?]b� [UTF-8?]h要g [UTF-8?]khi�嚗霁揪
[UTF-8?]獺 秀柱 in 刪除台語認證 [UTF-8?]礙
預算 [UTF-8?]礙 時，有起 1 [UTF-8?]礙 攔頭號做「拼音系統 [UTF-8?]i獺u-bu�
[UTF-8?]銝��湛��⊥�閰脰齒隤诎��饥岫��O�k獺m 講咱 beh
大大典典用行動證明 in [UTF-8?]m�O �k teh
[UTF-8?]hau-si璽u嚗�
�O
除非，咱有影按算 beh 據在 [UTF-8?]tsit-礙 政府去舞，無 beh [UTF-8?]the多 i 1
[UTF-8?]si獺n 錢，無 beh ka sak ka [UTF-8?]tu多嚗鞑访--tsi獺嚗鉴県
[UTF-8?]tio去 翻頭想看咱
beh [UTF-8?]khi� [UTF-8?]si獺��-mih
款立場。
2009/3/26 gmail
Goa siuN. Chit e bun-toe e-sai hun-choe kui-a hong-bin lai
su-kho:
- su-iong chia (khan-siap lang-sou, LMJ i-goan, kap
thai-tou)
- chhui-sak chia (che si thai-tou
bun-toe)
- koaN-hong (chit e tan-ui m-bat chhui-sak koe
LMJ)
Goa beh kong e chu-iau si KIP [UTF-8?]法ap che-teng TL e
pou-hun:
TL kap POJ, i bok-chian kho-ki (tian-chu hoa) lai-kong, choan-oaN si
chin
kan-tan e tai-chi, ia-toh-si tian-chu liu-thoan bo jim-ho e khun-lan
(chhiaN
chham-kho TG SBA), sou-i khoaN--khi-lai chi-si, su-sia kap in-soat
e
soan-tek bun-toe ji-i. Khin-hoaN hiaN it-tit kong KIP kong-pou, lan
tioh
long eng-kai chiau cho. U I khou-sim e sou-chai. M-ku, goa jin-ui KMT e
KIP
chu thau kau boe long m-bat ka lan tau-saN-kang siaN-mih, lan ho-pit
thiaN
in e. Lan pun-lai tioh-si bin-kan e chu-hoat heng-tong. KoaN-hong
bo
the-thiap bin-cheng, che si sit-bin-chia e sim-thai. Lan beh khi hou
I
au--khi. Ki-sit goa si chin m-goan. Koh chai kong, che-teng TL e
ui-goan,
tu-liau Khin-hoaN hiaN, chi-goa kam koh u lang teh chhui-sak LMJ????
[UTF-8?]點n
kam
bat sia koe TGB, iah-si jim-ho bun-chiuN kong beh chhui-sak LMJ ???
[UTF-8?]點n
bo-lang teh eng, choaN chai-iaN POJ kap TL e ho-bai, iah-si
i-keng
lau--loh-lai e chu-goan u siaN-mih. Koe-khi hun-tau e
seng-ko(ChhiaN
chham-kho Un-gian hiaN e bang-cham), In oe 1 oe tioh long hu-siau.
Chin
kho-oN!
Chiau chit e pan-se, Lan bo-kho-leng u kian-choan e chit-jit. Hit jit na
beh
lai, in he KIP koaN-oan iu-koh lai 1 e hoe, ka Li hu-tiau. Chin kin,
Chin
khoai!!!!
Sou-i goa jin-ui, Lan 1) seng chhui-kong LMJ su-sia TGB 2)
Su-iong
siong-choe chu-goan e POJ, ke-siok cheng-ka POJ chu-goan. [UTF-8?]你n-ni,
chiu-sng
KIP hoaiN-pa-pa, lan ma boe tng-kun khi. NA-si toe KIP, chin-chiaN beh
si
m-chai
tang-si.
Khai
----- Original Message
From: "Hak-khiam TiuN"
To: "Tekhoa"
Cc: "Taigibang"
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:03
PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e
chhiongtut
Tak-ke
ho:
Ungian hiaN theh-chhut chit e bun-te, goa siuN chin tat-tit
tho-lun.
Tong-jian i kong e POJ & TL e chhiong-tut chi-si POJ & TL koan-he
e
chit-chiong.
E hong u chhiong-tut e kam-kak ma chin ho li-kai, in-ui POJ & TL
e
chi-chhi-chia u
teng-thah,
koh ka-siong pun-te su-iong POJ e Tai-bun chap-chi, c.c. Bong-po,
TBTS
long kai-iong
TL.
Chit-si-kan POJ soah bo saN hoat-piau e
khong-kan.
POJ & TL leng-goa chit e kho-leng e koan-he si kiong-chun,
hun-kang.
Bo su-iau ti chit 2 e he-thong
soan-tek,
2 e long chi-chhi, m-koh ki-jian koaN-hong chi-chhi TL, ti
kau-iok
the-che, cheng-hu e kang-teng tioh chiau
cheng-hu
e kui-teng khi kiaN, chhun-e bin-kan e LMJ ke-siok su-iong POJ, che
si
goa chin-cheng thiaN lang ka goa kong
bi-lai
POJ & TL e koan-he, chit-ma cho-liau an-choaN goa bo-kai
chheng-chho.
Thui-sak TL e lang chin sin-khou, goa kan-ta
ng-bang
m-thang ka POJ e chun-chai, su-iong tong-cho si TL thui-sak sit-pai
e
piau-si. Goa ko-jin e-tang tong-si chi-chhi POJ &
TL,
m-koh na iau-kiu goa hong-khi POJ chiah sng si chi-chhi TL, goa
jin-ui
bo pit-iau. Goa tak-pai khi chheh-kiok na
khoaN-tioh
koh u POJ e ji-tian ah-si chheh chhut-pan long e chin hoaN-hi.
Bun-ji
e seN-mia-lek bo hoat-tou thau-koe cheng-hu e hoat-leng lai
ui-chhi,
bin-kan chu-hoat-seng e, tng-ki-e su-iong chiah-si
tiong-iau.
I-siong 2 chiong POJ & TL e koan-he tak-ke bong chham-kho,
kho-leng
koh u ki-tha e
kho-leng-seng.
Hak-khiam
2009/3/25 Tekhoa :
Apang hiaN kap
tak-e:
goa chanseng ai
tholun
1) kian-na tu tioh chit-khoan bunte, chong--si e u lang khng kong
au-jit-a
chiah
tholun
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� kiatko iaubpe tan kau au-jit-a, bunte mna bo kaikoat,
soah ju bun
ju
giamtiong
2) "hun-liat" chit-hang taichi punlai to bian khoan kah hiah
tang
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]真i tioh thoankiat boai ka taichi kong
beng,
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]群itche siong tianto e checho
hunliat
3) chiaN che lang long ittit kong TL iah si POJ tak-e beh sia toh 1 tho
to
sia toh 1
tho
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� kong si bo m-tioh, mkoh che oe soah ma siuN koe
khang
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� na bo, si anchoaN e ittit u iaukiu patlang sia/kai
cho TL e
chengheng
chhut-hian?
4) tenghoe tholun kau chit-e bunte e si, goa u the-chhut
kong:
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� si, bo mtioh, takl-e chuiu soantek beh iong toh 1
tho
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� mkoh tauko--chhut-khi toa pouhun e souchai long
iaukiu ai iong
TL
[UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� anne, chit khoan "chu-iu5" u siaNmih
i-gi?
Tekhoa
----- Original Message
寄件者:
apang.chiu
收件者:
副本: TGB(G) ; Tavokan Kh㮮 Hu䁢ῠ ; Iunn
Un-gian
傳送日期: 2009年3月24日 下午
11:45
主旨: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e
chhiongtut
Kok-ui
:
Sio-ti kian-gi pat-jit thang-lai
tho-lun.
Lan bo hun-liat e
pun.
Kat thau ho* khui, m-thang lu phah lu an, pian
si-kat,
Kho-lu
siong-se.
Pai-thok
!
A-pang
PS : Teng-koan/ting-kuan e gi-su POJ kap TL long e thong, kam
m-si?
ChhiaN/tshiann
sam-su.
-----Original
message-----
From:Kei TADA
To:Iunn Un-gian
Cc:Tai-gu-bang ,
Date:Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:12:15
+0900
Subject:[tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e
chhiongtut
Ungian
hiaN,
Goa e chu-i Ungian hiaN sou the-khi chit-e
bun-te.
TLPA ah-si TL si, i POJ cho ki-chhou e
he-thong.
Su-iong TLPA ah-si TL bo eng-kai ap-pek POJ e
su-iong.
TL na jim-tong POJ cho i e bo-chhin, chi-chhi POJ e lang chiah e
chi-chhi
TL.
Lan na e-sai chham-u hun-hoa
le?
TADA
2009/3/24 Iunn Un-gian :
Takke ho
:
Suijian chia e buntoe chincheng ikeng u tholun ke a, goa ma bo siuNbeh
ke
kong, mkoh kinajit koh hoatseng 1-koa taichi, jichhiaN kah KhinhoaN
hiaN
u
koanhe.
Goa chincheng hoanlo e, TL iahbe sengkong, goanlai suiong POJ e lang
soah
hun choe 2-phai. Chite buntoe, khoaN khilai iahkoh si chin
giamtiong.
Goa chitma chin bo-eng, taichi long cho boe oan, soui goa kholeng e
4/15
i-au, chhe sikan tiam Taigubang hoho-a lai kong chit kiaN taichi
e
kengke,
kah goa e
siuNhoat.
Goa jim-ui nasi chhuli bo ho, Tailohoe ma e chhuthian chenggi,
choseng
TLH
e
hunliat. Si annoa goa e anne kong, inui chincheng KhinhoaN hiaN
bat
uitioh
TLH bo suiong TL, kong beh si lisu, chitma KhinhoaN hiaN si TLH
e
siong-bu
lisu, soui chit-e buntoe itteng e koh toa jipkhi
TLH.
Suijian Taibunkoan hitpeng jimtong goa e chohoat, mkoh choeau goa
iong
POJ
sia e bunchiuN, pitsu ai kai cho TL. LMJ susia hethong hiahni choe,
10
kui
tang chincheng, goa e LMJ hong kai choe Thong-iong hengsek e LMJ, goa
bat
kongkhai khonggi, bo siuNtioh chitpai soah si hou kaki e lang kiongpek
ai
siukai, goa boe kongkhai khonggi, mkoh choattui e kongkhai tholun
chit
chan
taichi.
Inui goa jim-ui nasi bo tholun, POj e suiong e kesiok hou TL appek.
Lan
na
chaiiaN lan bo hunliat e punchiN, si annoa chitkhoan taichi e
itchai
hoatseng
?
--
Iunn Un-gian
楊允言
Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li
kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授
(O)
03-821-0871
--
Lau,
Seng-hian
[UTF-8?]嚚靁访 koh 在定，ma
[UTF-8?]�⊥粐憭綨�嚚�
--
Iunn Un-gian 楊允言
Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授
(O) 03-821-0871
--
Lau, Seng-hian
～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～
--
Lau, Seng-hian
～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～
--
Iunn Un-gian 楊允言
Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授
(O) 03-821-0871
Re: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
From: Kei TADA
Date: 2009-03-25 15:38:04
Ungian hiaN:
http://ungian.pixnet.net/blog/post/26917999
Liau-kai a. Si u chit-e lang eng ka-ki e khoan-ui lai pek Tai-bun-koan, liau-au, han-che tioh Un-gian hiaN iong POJ e chu-iu.
Chit-khoan e chhiuN-toaN, goa ti Jit-pun e chap-chi ma u khoaN-koe. Si "Taioan-lun" e KOBAYASHI Yoshinori kap Theng-chit e goa-kau-koaN SATOU Masaru, ti chap-chi teng teh hou-siong kong-kek. Che siok ti tui lang e kong-kek.
Chit-pai Ungian hiaN the-khi e bun-te m-si tui lang e kong-kek. Si tui POJ e kong-kek.
Bo ng-bang khoaN tioh TL kap POJ e lang hou-siong pai-thiat.
TL e khoan-lek ki-chhou ti sim-mih?
Si cheng-ti-lek? Ah-si ka-ki e chou-chit-lek? Kam bo su-iau lan e chi-chhi / bin-kan e lek-liong?
Goa ti mui-the khoaN-tioh iau u TLPA e kau-kho-su.
Chit-chun kam iau u POJ e kau-kho-su?
TADA
2009/3/25 Kei TADA :
Ungian hiaN:
Lan si-m-si chiam-tui ku-the e bun-te chit-e chit-e lai hun-sek, kai-koat.
Ungian hiaN sui-jian li chit-chun bo si-kan, si-m-si e-tang hou gun chai-iaN si siaN-lang kiong-pek li iong TL?
TADA
2009/3/25 Lau Seng-hian :
Ún-giân 兄：
「系統無一致」，是洪 á 秀柱 in ê 藉口內底 ê 1 ê，當然 m̄ 是 in 心內正港 ê 理由，我 ê 意思是：咱 kám 有必要替 in 製造機會 hō͘ in 起 khang 起 sún？
第二，我所講 ê「一致」，是指「政府／公部門」出版品頂 kuân 書寫系統 ê 一致，m̄ 是指通台灣一致，你舉 Hak-fa kap 原住民語 ê 例，請想看 māi：Hak-fa kap 原住民語辦認證 tsìn 前，是 m̄ 是 mā 有透過程序做書寫系統 ê 規範？另外，「政府／公部門」ê 出版品內底，kám 有可能無照政府本身所公佈 ê 書寫系統？ 因為 m̄ 管按怎講，「政府」有 teh 出面辦 tsiah-ê 認證考試，kám m̄ 是？
請 m̄-thang 誤解，我當然無 kā 顧面桶取消 hō͘ 母語 tshui-sak ê 政府資源，來怪罪無使用 TL ê 人，tse 無合 tī 我頭前 hit 篇文章 ê 意思，另外，關係李勤岸老師 ê 部份，我無法度替伊發言，我 kan-taⁿ ē-tàng 講我 ka-tī ê 想法。
《台文 BONG 報》kap《台文通訊》lóng 是民間機構，政府對
2009/3/25 Iunn Un-gian
Seng-hian :
Kasu suiong bo it-ti to boesai pan jim-cheng, goa e siuNhoat si (1) Hoagu boesai pan jim-cheng (Kok-hau ka chu-im, tengbin u e sak Thongiong, u e sak Hangu phengim, binkan ma iahkoh kui lo tho (2) Khehoe kah Goanchubingu ma boesai pan jim-cheng.
Nasi chite liiu senglip, goa siuN, KhinhoaN hiaN chit-si-lang bo kholeng tan tioh Taigu jim-cheng e keng-hui.
Goa boetang liongkai e si, lin ho-pit ka Kok-bin-tong boai poah Taigu jim-cheng kenghui hou lan, koaichoe ti sia Taigu, mkoh bo suiong TL e lang !
Kasu lin ka bo iong TL sia Taigu e lang e hoatpiau khongkan long hongsat, chhun boai sia Taibun, mkoh kholeng khauthau chichhi TL e lang, Taigu jim-cheng e kenghui simsi to e lohlai ? Taigubun untong nasi chengkeng kiaN kau chit e toe-pou, li kam jim-ui thuisak TL si sengkong e ?
Ungian 3.25 On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:38:46 +0800, Lau Seng-hian wrote
我 [UTF-8?]礙 想法:
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上基本 [UTF-8?]礙 1 點是：政府機構∕公機關 [UTF-8?]礙 [UTF-8?]�箇��睻�tio去 一致使用 KIP [UTF-8?]�啁�嚗鹤》-ne tsiah �tUTF-8?]b� [UTF-8?]h要g [UTF-8?]khi�嚗霁揪 [UTF-8?]獺 秀柱 in 刪除台語認證 [UTF-8?]礙 預算 [UTF-8?]礙 時，有起 1 [UTF-8?]礙 攔頭號做「拼音系統 [UTF-8?]i獺u-bu� [UTF-8?]銝��湛��⊥�閰脰齒隤诎��饥岫��O�k獺m 講咱 beh 大大典典用行動證明 in [UTF-8?]m� �O teh �O>�k[UTF-8?]hau-si璽u嚗�
除非，咱是影按算 beh 據在 [UTF-8?]tsit-礙 政府去舞，無 beh [UTF-8?]the多 i 1 [UTF-8?]si獺n 錢，無 beh ka sak ka [UTF-8?]tu多嚗鞑访--tsi獺嚗鉴県 [UTF-8?]tio去 翻頭想看咱 beh [UTF-8?]khi� [UTF-8?]si獺��-mih 款立場。
2009/3/26 gmail
Goa siuN. Chit e bun-toe e-sai hun-choe kui-a hong-bin lai su-kho:
- su-iong chia (khan-siap lang-sou, LMJ i-goan, kap thai-tou)
- chhui-sak chia (che si thai-tou bun-toe)
- koaN-hong (chit e tan-ui m-bat chhui-sak koe LMJ) Goa beh kong e chu-iau si KIP [UTF-8?]法ap che-teng TL e pou-hun: TL kap POJ, i bok-chian kho-ki (tian-chu hoa) lai-kong, choan-oaN si chin kan-tan e tai-chi, ia-toh-si tian-chu liu-thoan bo jim-ho e khun-lan (chhiaN chham-kho TG SBA), sou-i khoaN--khi-lai chi-si, su-sia kap in-soat e soan-tek bun-toe ji-i. Khin-hoaN hiaN it-tit kong KIP kong-pou, lan tioh long eng-kai chiau cho. U I khou-sim e sou-chai. M-ku, goa jin-ui KMT e KIP chu thau kau boe long m-bat ka lan tau-saN-kang siaN-mih, lan ho-pit thiaN in e. Lan pun-lai tioh-si bin-kan e chu-hoat heng-tong. KoaN-hong bo the-thiap bin-cheng, che si sit-bin-chia e sim-thai. Lan beh khi hou I au--khi. Ki-sit goa si chin m-goan. Koh chai kong, che-teng TL e ui-goan, tu-liau Khin-hoaN hiaN, chi-goa kam koh u lang teh chhui-sak LMJ???? [UTF-8?]點n kam bat sia koe TGB, iah-si jim-ho bun-chiuN kong beh chhui-sak LMJ ??? [UTF-8?]點n bo-lang teh eng, choaN chai-iaN POJ kap TL e ho-bai, iah-si i-keng lau--loh-lai e chu-goan u siaN-mih. Koe-khi hun-tau e seng-ko(ChhiaN chham-kho Un-gian hiaN e bang-cham), In oe 1 oe tioh long hu-siau. Chin kho-oN! Chiau chit e pan-se, Lan bo-kho-leng u kian-choan e chit-jit. Hit jit na beh lai, in he KIP koaN-oan iu-koh lai 1 e hoe, ka Li hu-tiau. Chin kin, Chin khoai!!!! Sou-i goa jin-ui, Lan 1) seng chhui-kong LMJ su-sia TGB 2) Su-iong siong-choe chu-goan e POJ, ke-siok cheng-ka POJ chu-goan. [UTF-8?]你n-ni, chiu-sng KIP hoaiN-pa-pa, lan ma boe tng-kun khi. NA-si toe KIP, chin-chiaN beh si m-chai tang-si.
Khai
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hak-khiam TiuN" To: "Tekhoa" Cc: "Taigibang" Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Tak-ke ho:
Ungian hiaN theh-chhut chit e bun-te, goa siuN chin tat-tit tho-lun. Tong-jian i kong e POJ & TL e chhiong-tut chi-si POJ & TL koan-he e chit-chiong. E hong u chhiong-tut e kam-kak ma chin ho li-kai, in-ui POJ & TL e chi-chhi-chia u teng-thah, koh ka-siong pun-te su-iong POJ e Tai-bun chap-chi, c.c. Bong-po, TBTS long kai-iong TL. Chit-si-kan POJ soah bo saN hoat-piau e khong-kan.
POJ & TL leng-goa chit e kho-leng e koan-he si kiong-chun, hun-kang. Bo su-iau ti chit 2 e he-thong soan-tek, 2 e long chi-chhi, m-koh ki-jian koaN-hong chi-chhi TL, ti kau-iok the-che, cheng-hu e kang-teng tioh chiau cheng-hu e kui-teng khi kiaN, chhun-e bin-kan e LMJ ke-siok su-iong POJ, che si goa chin-cheng thiaN lang ka goa kong bi-lai POJ & TL e koan-he, chit-ma cho-liau an-choaN goa bo-kai chheng-chho. Thui-sak TL e lang chin sin-khou, goa kan-ta ng-bang m-thang ka POJ e chun-chai, su-iong tong-cho si TL thui-sak sit-pai e piau-si. Goa ko-jin e-tang tong-si chi-chhi POJ & TL, m-koh na iau-kiu goa hong-khi POJ chiah sng si chi-chhi TL, goa jin-ui bo pit-iau. Goa tak-pai khi chheh-kiok na khoaN-tioh koh u POJ e ji-tian ah-si chheh chhut-pan long e chin hoaN-hi. Bun-ji e seN-mia-lek bo hoat-tou thau-koe cheng-hu e hoat-leng lai ui-chhi, bin-kan chu-hoat-seng e, tng-ki-e su-iong chiah-si tiong-iau.
I-siong 2 chiong POJ & TL e koan-he tak-ke bong chham-kho, kho-leng koh u ki-tha e kho-leng-seng.
Hak-khiam
2009/3/25 Tekhoa :
Apang hiaN kap tak-e:
goa chanseng ai tholun
1) kian-na tu tioh chit-khoan bunte, chong--si e u lang khng kong au-jit-a chiah tholun [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� kiatko iaubpe tan kau au-jit-a, bunte mna bo kaikoat, soah ju bun ju giamtiong
2) "hun-liat" chit-hang taichi punlai to bian khoan kah hiah tang [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]真i tioh thoankiat boai ka taichi kong beng, [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]群itche siong tianto e checho hunliat
3) chiaN che lang long ittit kong TL iah si POJ tak-e beh sia toh 1 tho to sia toh 1 tho [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� kong si bo m-tioh, mkoh che oe soah ma siuN koe khang [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� na bo, si anchoaN e ittit u iaukiu patlang sia/kai cho TL e chengheng chhut-hian?
4) tenghoe tholun kau chit-e bunte e si, goa u the-chhut kong: [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� si, bo mtioh, takl-e chuiu soantek beh iong toh 1 tho [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� mkoh tauko--chhut-khi toa pouhun e souchai long iaukiu ai iong TL [UTF-8?]� [UTF-8?]� anne, chit khoan "chu-iu5" u siaNmih i-gi?
Tekhoa
----- Original Message ----- 寄件者: apang.chiu 收件者: 副本: TGB(G) ; Tavokan Kh㮮 Hu䁢ῠ ; Iunn Un-gian 傳送日期: 2009年3月24日 下午 11:45 主旨: [tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut Kok-ui : Sio-ti kian-gi pat-jit thang-lai tho-lun. Lan bo hun-liat e pun. Kat thau ho* khui, m-thang lu phah lu an, pian si-kat, Kho-lu siong-se. Pai-thok !
A-pang
PS : Teng-koan/ting-kuan e gi-su POJ kap TL long e thong, kam m-si? ChhiaN/tshiann sam-su. -----Original message----- From:Kei TADA To:Iunn Un-gian Cc:Tai-gu-bang , Date:Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:12:15 +0900 Subject:[tgb] Re: TL kah POJ e chhiongtut
Ungian hiaN,
Goa e chu-i Ungian hiaN sou the-khi chit-e bun-te.
TLPA ah-si TL si, i POJ cho ki-chhou e he-thong.
Su-iong TLPA ah-si TL bo eng-kai ap-pek POJ e su-iong.
TL na jim-tong POJ cho i e bo-chhin, chi-chhi POJ e lang chiah e chi-chhi TL.
Lan na e-sai chham-u hun-hoa le?
TADA
2009/3/24 Iunn Un-gian :
Takke ho :
Suijian chia e buntoe chincheng ikeng u tholun ke a, goa ma bo siuNbeh ke kong, mkoh kinajit koh hoatseng 1-koa taichi, jichhiaN kah KhinhoaN hiaN u koanhe.
Goa chincheng hoanlo e, TL iahbe sengkong, goanlai suiong POJ e lang soah hun choe 2-phai. Chite buntoe, khoaN khilai iahkoh si chin giamtiong.
Goa chitma chin bo-eng, taichi long cho boe oan, soui goa kholeng e 4/15 i-au, chhe sikan tiam Taigubang hoho-a lai kong chit kiaN taichi e kengke, kah goa e siuNhoat.
Goa jim-ui nasi chhuli bo ho, Tailohoe ma e chhuthian chenggi, choseng TLH e hunliat. Si annoa goa e anne kong, inui chincheng KhinhoaN hiaN bat uitioh TLH bo suiong TL, kong beh si lisu, chitma KhinhoaN hiaN si TLH e siong-bu lisu, soui chit-e buntoe itteng e koh toa jipkhi TLH.
Suijian Taibunkoan hitpeng jimtong goa e chohoat, mkoh choeau goa iong POJ sia e bunchiuN, pitsu ai kai cho TL. LMJ susia hethong hiahni choe, 10 kui tang chincheng, goa e LMJ hong kai choe Thong-iong hengsek e LMJ, goa bat kongkhai khonggi, bo siuNtioh chitpai soah si hou kaki e lang kiongpek ai siukai, goa boe kongkhai khonggi, mkoh choattui e kongkhai tholun chit chan taichi.
Inui goa jim-ui nasi bo tholun, POj e suiong e kesiok hou TL appek. Lan na chaiiaN lan bo hunliat e punchiN, si annoa chitkhoan taichi e itchai hoatseng ?
-- Iunn Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 (O) 03-821-0871 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
-- Lau, Seng-hian
[UTF-8?]嚚靁访 koh 在定，ma [UTF-8?]�⊥粐憭綨�嚚�
-- Iunn Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 (O) 03-821-0871 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
-- Lau, Seng-hian
～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～