Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: gugarn.giatou
Date: 2008-05-04 19:46:37

Kokūi hiaⁿ-ché,

 

Lômájī tah hit kúijī niā.

 

Goá sī Tâigílâng.  Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah o̍h oēhiáu chi̍tjī Lômájī niā.  Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h ta̍kjī lóng o̍h oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ siá, chhun kāi liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì niā.

 

Goá m̄sī Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná.  Nā ánne kannā o̍h choân Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô thàulām--ê kekhah kántan?

Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字".  Chitjī Hànjī koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu mā khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē lán chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê im.  Chi̍tjījī ū chia̍hchoē im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng "意象".  Sînkengkun ài chiok toātiâu.  Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā.

Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang to̍h kàoân, to̍h oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô.  Kóng o̍hliáu Lômájī liáuāu thiaukang kohchài lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá gō͘choā cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah,  ánne chiongkuibé sī siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) khah chânjím?

 

Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji ê chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām … lóng bôkhì loh!  Chesī teh kāng Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī teh chān lánê Tâigí.

Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh siongsìn?  Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh lâi hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h khì piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù.  "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng "pùnsò hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù.  "Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi káiseh chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi m̄sī "ka̍k".  Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū hósim.

Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut Tâigí ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng poē.

Lômájī ēng hō͘i koànsì!  Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

 

Lán Tâigí chitmá iōngsim kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám hó?  Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 …，而終 …。) khaisí a̍hkhì kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng Lômájī leh?  Chi̍tgê ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ ê Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘.  Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng nā sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē mā bôkhólêng.  Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán thoa, m̄chai sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ kî.

 

Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ o̍h bô.  Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh o̍h chiokchoē tang--ê.  Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.  Chiū lán Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat ê mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan!   Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ kakī kihoē toh oē-ēng--ê.

 

Chhoà Kimêng

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Re: Re: [tgb] Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: Lim Chun-iok
Date: 2008-05-05 08:35:32

Kim-êng lāu-su, pêng-an

Chhiáⁿ khì http://www.peopo.org( Kong-kiōng Tiān-sī-tâi siat ê Kong-bîn Sin-bûn Pêⁿ-tâi)hoat-piáu chhut-siaⁿ.

Nā sī sú-iōng chhái-hóng lo̍k-iáⁿ ê iáⁿ-im sin-bûn hāu-kó koh-khah hó.

Chhiáⁿ chham-khó goá ê blog…http://www.peopo.org/chuniok

Chuniok

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Kim-eng5 lau7-su, peng5-an

ChhiaN2 khi3 http://www.peopo.org( Kong-kiong7 Tian7-si7-tai5 siat e5 Kong-bin5 Sin-bun5 PeN5-tai5)hoat-piau2 chhut-siann.

Na7 si7 su2-iong7 chhai2-hong2 lok8-iann2 e5 iann2-im sin-bun5 hau7-ko2 koh-khah ho2. Chhiáⁿ chham-khó goá ê blog…http://www.peopo.org/chuniok

Chuniok

2008/5/4 gugarn.giatou :

Kokūi hiaⁿ-ché,

 

Lômájī tah hit kúijī niā.

 

Goá sī Tâigílâng.  Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah o̍h oēhiáu chi̍tjī Lômájī niā.  Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h ta̍kjī lóng o̍h oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ siá, chhun kāi liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì niā.

 

Goá m̄sī Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná.  Nā ánne kannā o̍h choân Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô thàulām--ê kekhah kántan?

Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字".  Chitjī Hànjī koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu mā khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē lán chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê im.  Chi̍tjījī ū chia̍hchoē im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng "意象".  Sînkengkun ài chiok toātiâu.  Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā.

Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang to̍h kàoân, to̍h oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô.  Kóng o̍hliáu Lômájī liáuāu thiaukang kohchài lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá gō͘choā cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah,  ánne chiongkuibé sī siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) khah chânjím?

 

Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji ê chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām … lóng bôkhì loh!  Chesī teh kāng Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī teh chān lánê Tâigí.

Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh siongsìn?  Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh lâi hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h khì piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù.  "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng "pùnsò hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù.  "Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi káiseh chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi m̄sī "ka̍k".  Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū hósim.

Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut Tâigí ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng poē.

Lômájī ēng hō͘i koànsì!  Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

 

Lán Tâigí chitmá iōngsim kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám hó?  Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 …，而終 …。) khaisí a̍hkhì kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng Lômájī leh?  Chi̍tgê ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ ê Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘.  Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng nā sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē mā bôkhólêng.  Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán thoa, m̄chai sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ kî.

 

Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ o̍h bô.  Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh o̍h chiokchoē tang--ê.  Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.  Chiū lán Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat ê mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan!   Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ kakī kihoē toh oē-ēng--ê.

 

Chhoà Kimêng  

-- 基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！ Lim Chun-iok http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字) http://taigu.fhl.net http://tailo.fhl.net

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: gugarn.giatou
Date: 2008-05-05 18:31:15

Lîm lāusu,

 

Hó.  Goá senglâikhì kaji̍p hoēgoân.

 

Chhoà Kimêng

 

ps:

Nāboh kóng khah bêngpe̍k kàihó àikoh ke nn̄ggê lē, chhun ánne:

m̄koh "kak" choattùi m̄sī "ka̍k".

Chit nn̄ggê lâng "khioh-ka̍k" a.  Sī kóng: Chit nn̄ggê lâng sī bôlō͘ēng ê lâng.

Chit nn̄ggê lâng ū "khioh-kak" tī--ê.  Sī kóng: Chit nn̄ggê lâng boēha̍h, ūbat oanke chengchi̍p hō͘siōng khiohhūn tī--ê.

Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū hósim.

----- Original Message -----

From: Lim Chun-iok

To: gugarn.giatou

Cc: Taigubang-02

Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:35 AM

Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kim-êng lāu-su, pêng-an

Chhiáⁿ khì http://www.peopo.org( Kong-kiōng Tiān-sī-tâi siat ê Kong-bîn Sin-bûn Pêⁿ-tâi)hoat-piáu chhut-siaⁿ.

Nā sī sú-iōng chhái-hóng lo̍k-iáⁿ ê iáⁿ-im sin-bûn hāu-kó koh-khah hó. Chhiáⁿ chham-khó goá ê blog…http://www.peopo.org/chuniok

Chuniok

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Kim-eng5 lau7-su, peng5-an

ChhiaN2 khi3 http://www.peopo.org( Kong-kiong7 Tian7-si7-tai5 siat e5 Kong-bin5 Sin-bun5 PeN5-tai5)hoat-piau2 chhut-siann.

Na7 si7 su2-iong7 chhai2-hong2 lok8-iann2 e5 iann2-im sin-bun5 hau7-ko2 koh-khah ho2. Chhiáⁿ chham-khó goá ê blog…http://www.peopo.org/chuniok

Chuniok

2008/5/4 gugarn.giatou :

Kokūi hiaⁿ-ché,

 

Lômájī tah hit kúijī 
niā.

 

Goá sī Tâigílâng.  Goá nā 
chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah o̍h oēhiáu chi̍tjī Lômájī niā.  
Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h ta̍kjī lóng o̍h oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h 
chhun chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ siá, chhun kāi liū 
hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì niā.

 

Goá m̄sī Tâigílâng, goá sī 
gíná.  Nā ánne kannā o̍h choân Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h 
choân Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô thàulām--ê kekhah kántan?

Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū 
púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字".  Chitjī Hànjī koh tī lán 
Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu mā khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá 
iâu khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē lán chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài 
sin tha̍k ê im.  Chi̍tjījī ū chia̍hchoē im, chia̍hchoē ìsù 
a̍hsī kóng "意象".  Sînkengkun ài chiok toātiâu.  Ha̍khāu 
a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā.

Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ lóngsī 
pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang to̍h kàoân, to̍h oētàng pàng hō͘in 
khì chhitthô.  Kóng o̍hliáu Lômájī liáuāu thiaukang kohchài 
lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá gō͘choā cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin 
soah,  ánne chiongkuibé sī siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) khah 
chânjím?

 

Hànjī bānbāná 
chhoē!

M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá 
Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji ê chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, 
kenggiām ... lóng bôkhì loh!  Chesī teh kāng Tâigí ê kingoân 
chāmchāmtiāu, sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī teh chān 
lánê Tâigí.

Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh 
siongsìn?  Chhun chhoē "撿角" 
boh lâi hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h 
khì piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù.  "Khioh-ka̍k" 
sī kóng "pùnsò hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù.  
"Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi káiseh chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" 
ūlâng oē chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi m̄sī "ka̍k".  Tùi 
chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū 
hósim.

Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut 
Tâigí ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng 
poē.

Lômájī ēng hō͘i koànsì!  
Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

 

Lán Tâigí chitmá iōngsim kannā 
teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám hó?  Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 
...，而終 ...。) khaisí a̍hkhì kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h 
oēhiáu ēng Lômájī leh?  Chi̍tgê ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī 
chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ ê Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘.  
Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng nā sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng 
Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē mā bôkhólêng.  Chitmá lâng 
to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán thoa, m̄chai sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ 
chitpō͘ kî.

 

Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ o̍h bô.  
Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh o̍h chiokchoē tang--ê.  Sin o̍h 
chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.  Chiū 
lán Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng 
hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat ê mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok 
kántan!   Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ kakī 
kihoē toh oē-ēng--ê.

 

Chhoà 
Kimêng  

-- 基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！ Lim Chun-iok http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字) http://taigu.fhl.net http://tailo.fhl.net

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: Lim Chun-iok
Date: 2008-05-05 18:49:44

Mā tio̍h sin-chhéng "Kong-bîn Kì-chiá" chiah ē-tàng tah sin-bûn kap thui-chiàn. Nā "Kong-bîn Kì-chiá"  chhéng hó-sè, chhiáⁿ kā goá thong-pò thang

lâi kā lí ka-ji̍p taigipeopo thó-lūn-kûn (, lūi-sū

). Án-ne li chiū ē-tàng  tàu-tīn lâi  phah-piàⁿ  khai-thok

taigipeopo ê lūn-toâⁿ.

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Ma7 tioh8 sin-chheng2 "Kong-bin5 Ki3-chia2" chiah e7-tang3 tah sin-bun5 kap thui-chian3. Na7 "Kong-bin5 Ki3-chia2"  chheng2 ho2-se3, chhiann2 ka7 goa2 thong-po3 thang

lai5 ka7 li2 ka-jip8 taigipeopo tho2-lun7-kun5 (, lui7-su7 ). An2-ne li chiu7 e7-tang3  tau3-tin7 lai5  phah-piann3  khai-thok

taigipeopo e5 lun7-toann5.

2008/5/7 gugarn.giatou :

Lîm lāusu,

 

Hó.  Goá senglâikhì kaji̍p hoēgoân.

 

Chhoà Kimêng

 

ps:

Nāboh kóng khah bêngpe̍k kàihó àikoh ke nn̄ggê lē, chhun ánne:

m̄koh "kak" choattùi m̄sī "ka̍k".

Chit nn̄ggê lâng "khioh-ka̍k" a.  Sī kóng: Chit nn̄ggê lâng sī bôlō͘ēng ê lâng.

Chit nn̄ggê lâng ū "khioh-kak" tī--ê.  Sī kóng: Chit nn̄ggê lâng boēha̍h, ūbat oanke chengchi̍p hō͘siōng khiohhūn tī--ê.

Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū hósim.

----- Original Message -----

From: Lim Chun-iok

To: gugarn.giatou

Cc: Taigubang-02

Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:35 AM

Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kim-êng lāu-su, pêng-an

Chhiáⁿ khì http://www.peopo.org( Kong-kiōng Tiān-sī-tâi siat ê Kong-bîn Sin-bûn Pêⁿ-tâi)hoat-piáu chhut-siaⁿ.

Nā sī sú-iōng chhái-hóng lo̍k-iáⁿ ê iáⁿ-im sin-bûn hāu-kó koh-khah hó. Chhiáⁿ chham-khó goá ê blog…http://www.peopo.org/chuniok

Chuniok

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Kim-eng5 lau7-su, peng5-an

ChhiaN2 khi3 http://www.peopo.org( Kong-kiong7 Tian7-si7-tai5 siat e5 Kong-bin5 Sin-bun5 PeN5-tai5)hoat-piau2 chhut-siann.

Na7 si7 su2-iong7 chhai2-hong2 lok8-iann2 e5 iann2-im sin-bun5 hau7-ko2 koh-khah ho2. Chhiáⁿ chham-khó goá ê blog…http://www.peopo.org/chuniok

Chuniok

2008/5/4 gugarn.giatou :

Kokūi hiaⁿ-ché,

 

Lômájī tah hit kúijī 
niā.

 

Goá sī Tâigílâng.  Goá nā 
chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah o̍h oēhiáu chi̍tjī Lômájī niā.  
Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h ta̍kjī lóng o̍h oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h 
chhun chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ siá, chhun kāi liū 
hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì niā.

 

Goá m̄sī Tâigílâng, goá sī 
gíná.  Nā ánne kannā o̍h choân Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h 
choân Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô thàulām--ê kekhah kántan?

Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū 
púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字".  Chitjī Hànjī koh tī lán 
Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu mā khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá 
iâu khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē lán chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài 
sin tha̍k ê im.  Chi̍tjījī ū chia̍hchoē im, chia̍hchoē ìsù 
a̍hsī kóng "意象".  Sînkengkun ài chiok toātiâu.  Ha̍khāu 
a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā.

Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ lóngsī 
pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang to̍h kàoân, to̍h oētàng pàng hō͘in 
khì chhitthô.  Kóng o̍hliáu Lômájī liáuāu thiaukang kohchài 
lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá gō͘choā cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin 
soah,  ánne chiongkuibé sī siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) khah 
chânjím?

 

Hànjī bānbāná 
chhoē!

M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá 
Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji ê chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, 
kenggiām ... lóng bôkhì loh!  Chesī teh kāng Tâigí ê kingoân 
chāmchāmtiāu, sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī teh chān 
lánê Tâigí.

Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh 
siongsìn?  Chhun chhoē "撿角" 
boh lâi hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h 
khì piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù.  "Khioh-ka̍k" 
sī kóng "pùnsò hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù.  
"Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi káiseh chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" 
ūlâng oē chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi m̄sī "ka̍k".  Tùi 
chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū 
hósim.

Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut 
Tâigí ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng 
poē.

Lômájī ēng hō͘i koànsì!  
Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

 

Lán Tâigí chitmá iōngsim kannā 
teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám hó?  Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 
...，而終 ...。) khaisí a̍hkhì kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h 
oēhiáu ēng Lômájī leh?  Chi̍tgê ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī 
chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ ê Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘.  
Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng nā sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng 
Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē mā bôkhólêng.  Chitmá lâng 
to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán thoa, m̄chai sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ 
chitpō͘ kî.

 

Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ o̍h bô.  
Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh o̍h chiokchoē tang--ê.  Sin o̍h 
chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.  Chiū 
lán Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng 
hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat ê mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok 
kántan!   Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ kakī 
kihoē toh oē-ēng--ê.

 

Chhoà 
Kimêng  

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: gugarn.giatou
Date: 2008-05-07 12:16:58

Lîm lāusu,

 

Goá íkeng ū khì nn̄g chi̍t--ē.  Khoàⁿ hitgê pāngsè, kàisêng bôthang hō͘ goá ū kihōe tiàm hia o̍h tha̍k, siá Tâigí Lmj.  Jîchhiáⁿ goá chiok hāmbānsiá HànjīTâigí.  Boh siá chi̍t jī HànjīTâigí tī hia chìm kuipo͘kú pūbōechhut chi̍tjī Hànjī thang ēng, siūⁿtio̍h chhiúnńg.  Nā boh biánkióng m̄to̍h choânLmj a̍hsī TâigíLmj thàulām Pakkiaⁿgí lâi siá?  :p  Kóng kohchìnchi̍tpō͘ … , goá sī ū teh tiûtû neh!

 

Chitmá goá boh goāchhut āulépài pàijīsaⁿ tahōe tńg--lâi, lí chhiáⁿ kèsio̍h lâuōe goá tńg--lâi tah kālí hê.  Lí tùi Tâigí ê jia̍tsim hō͘lâng ài hamlí tàutīn.

 

Kámsiālí!

 

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message -----

From: Lim Chun-iok

To: gugarn.giatou

Cc: Taigubang-02

Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 6:49 PM

Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Mā tio̍h sin-chhéng "Kong-bîn Kì-chiá" chiah ē-tàng tah sin-bûn kap thui-chiàn. Nā "Kong-bîn Kì-chiá"  chhéng hó-sè, chhiáⁿ kā goá thong-pò thang lâi kā lí ka-ji̍p taigipeopo thó-lūn-kûn (, lūi-sū ). Án-ne li chiū ē-tàng  tàu-tīn lâi  phah-piàⁿ  khai-thok taigipeopo ê lūn-toâⁿ.

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Ma7 tioh8 sin-chheng2 "Kong-bin5 Ki3-chia2" chiah e7-tang3 tah sin-bun5 kap thui-chian3. Na7 "Kong-bin5 Ki3-chia2"  chheng2 ho2-se3, chhiann2 ka7 goa2 thong-po3 thang lai5 ka7 li2 ka-jip8 taigipeopo tho2-lun7-kun5 (, lui7-su7 ). An2-ne li chiu7 e7-tang3  tau3-tin7 lai5  phah-piann3  khai-thok taigipeopo e5 lun7-toann5.

2008/5/7 gugarn.giatou :

Lîm 
lāusu,

 

Hó.  Goá senglâikhì kaji̍p 
hoēgoân.


 

Chhoà Kimêng

 

ps:

Nāboh kóng khah bêngpe̍k kàihó 
àikoh ke nn̄ggê lē, chhun ánne:


m̄koh "kak" 
choattùi m̄sī "ka̍k".

Chit nn̄ggê lâng "khioh-ka̍k" 
a.  Sī kóng: Chit nn̄ggê lâng sī bôlō͘ēng ê  lâng.

Chit nn̄ggê lâng ū "khioh-kak" 
tī--ê.  Sī kóng: Chit nn̄ggê lâng boēha̍h, ūbat oanke 
chengchi̍p hō͘siōng khiohhūn tī--ê.


Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū 
ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū hósim.


  
  

  
  ----- Original Message ----- 

  **From:** 
  Lim Chun-iok 

  **To:** gugarn.giatou 
  

  **Cc:** Taigubang-02 

  **Sent:** Monday, May 05, 2008 8:35 AM

  **Subject:** [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia 
  Lo-ma-ji.

Kim-êng lāu-su, pêng-an

Chhiáⁿ khì http://www.peopo.org( Kong-kiōng Tiān-sī-tâi siat ê Kong-bîn Sin-bûn Pêⁿ-tâi)hoat-piáu chhut-siaⁿ.

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Chuniok

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Chuniok

  2008/5/4 gugarn.giatou :

  
    
    Kokūi hiaⁿ-ché,

     

    Lômájī tah hit kúijī 
    niā.

     

    Goá sī Tâigílâng.  Goá 
    nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah o̍h oēhiáu chi̍tjī Lômájī 
    niā.  Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h ta̍kjī lóng o̍h oēhiáu 
    loh, lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ 
    siá, chhun kāi liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì 
    niā.

     

    Goá m̄sī Tâigílâng, goá sī 
    gíná.  Nā ánne kannā o̍h choân Lômájī sīm̄sī pí 
    o̍h choân Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô thàulām--ê kekhah 
    kántan?

    Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū 
    púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字".  Chitjī Hànjī koh tī 
    lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu mā khólêng iâuū bûnim, 
    chitmá iâu khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē lán chia "gâulâng" 
    kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê im.  Chi̍tjījī ū chia̍hchoē im, 
    chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng "意象".  Sînkengkun ài chiok 
    toātiâu.  Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng 
    Tâigíkhò niā.

    Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ 
    lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang to̍h kàoân, to̍h oētàng 
    pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô.  Kóng o̍hliáu Lômájī liáuāu 
    thiaukang kohchài lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá gō͘choā 
    cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah,  ánne chiongkuibé sī 
    siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) khah chânjím?

     

    Hànjī bānbāná 
    chhoē!

    M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá 
    Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji ê chengsîn, lênghûn, 
    bûnhoà, kenggiām ... lóng bôkhì loh!  Chesī teh kāng 
    Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī teh 
    chān lánê Tâigí.

    Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh 
    siongsìn?  Chhun chhoē 
    "撿角" boh lâi hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, 
    sī the̍h khì piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù.  
    "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng "pùnsò hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e 
    ìsù.  "Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi káiseh chò "角落" 
    a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi m̄sī 
    "ka̍k".  Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó 
    àiū hósim.

    Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia 
    Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut Tâigí ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, 
    koh gâu kúināchheng poē.

    Lômájī ēng hō͘i 
    koànsì!  Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

     

    Lán Tâigí chitmá iōngsim 
    kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám hó?  Lán nám̄ 
    ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 ...，而終 ...。) khaisí a̍hkhì kokchngthâu, siākhu 
    kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng Lômájī leh?  Chi̍tgê 
    ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ ê Tâigi 
    gísû ê chuliāukhò͘.  Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng nā 
    sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē mā 
    bôkhólêng.  Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán thoa, 
    m̄chai sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ kî.

     

    Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ o̍h 
    bô.  Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh o̍h chiokchoē 
    tang--ê.  Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok 
    hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.  Chiū lán Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng 
    Lômájī chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá 
    to̍h bat ê mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan!   
    Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ kakī kihoē 
    toh oē-ēng--ê.

     

    Chhoà 
    Kimêng  

--

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: gugarn.giatou
Date: 2008-05-07 12:30:14

Lîm lāusu,

 

Goá íkeng ū khì nn̄g chi̍t--ē.  Khoàⁿ hitgê pāngsè, kàisêng bôthang hō͘ goá ū kihōe tiàm hia o̍h tha̍k, siá Tâigí Lmj.  Jîchhiáⁿ goá chiok hāmbānsiá HànjīTâigí.  Boh siá chi̍t jī HànjīTâigí tī hia chìm kuipo͘kú pūbōechhut chi̍tjī Hànjī thang ēng, siūⁿtio̍h chhiúnńg.  Nā boh biánkióng m̄to̍h choânLmj a̍hsī TâigíLmj thàulām Pakkiaⁿgí lâi siá?  :p  Kóng kohchìnchi̍tpō͘ … , goá sī ū teh tiûtû neh!

 

Chitmá goá boh goāchhut āulépài pàijīsaⁿ tahōe tńg--lâi, lí chhiáⁿ kèsio̍h lâuōe goá tńg--lâi tah kālí hê.  Lí tùi Tâigí ê jia̍tsim hō͘lâng ài hamlí tàutīn.

 

Kámsiālí!

 

Chhoà Kimêng

 

ps. Chittiuⁿphoe chin kîkoài hēthóng kóng ū chhògō͘ bô kāi kiàchhutkhì, chitmá koh têng kiàchi̍tpiàn.

 

----- Original Message -----

**From:** 
Lim 
Chun-iok 

**To:** gugarn.giatou 

**Cc:** Taigubang-02 

**Sent:** Monday, May 05, 2008 6:49 PM

**Subject:** [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe 
ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Mā tio̍h sin-chhéng "Kong-bîn Kì-chiá" chiah ē-tàng tah sin-bûn kap thui-chiàn. Nā "Kong-bîn Kì-chiá"  chhéng hó-sè, chhiáⁿ kā goá thong-pò thang lâi kā lí ka-ji̍p taigipeopo thó-lūn-kûn (, lūi-sū ). Án-ne li chiū ē-tàng  tàu-tīn lâi  phah-piàⁿ  khai-thok taigipeopo ê lūn-toâⁿ.

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Ma7 tioh8 sin-chheng2 "Kong-bin5 Ki3-chia2" chiah e7-tang3 tah sin-bun5 kap thui-chian3. Na7 "Kong-bin5 Ki3-chia2"  chheng2 ho2-se3, chhiann2 ka7 goa2 thong-po3 thang lai5 ka7 li2 ka-jip8 taigipeopo tho2-lun7-kun5 (, lui7-su7 ). An2-ne li chiu7 e7-tang3  tau3-tin7 lai5  phah-piann3  khai-thok taigipeopo e5 lun7-toann5.

2008/5/7 gugarn.giatou :


  
  Lîm 
  lāusu,

   

  Hó.  Goá senglâikhì kaji̍p 
  hoēgoân.

  
   

  Chhoà Kimêng

   

ps:

  Nāboh kóng khah bêngpe̍k kàihó 
  àikoh ke nn̄ggê lē, chhun ánne:

  
  m̄koh "kak" 
  choattùi m̄sī "ka̍k".

  Chit nn̄ggê lâng "khioh-ka̍k" 
  a.  Sī kóng: Chit nn̄ggê lâng sī bôlō͘ēng ê 
  lâng.

  Chit nn̄ggê lâng ū "khioh-kak" 
  tī--ê.  Sī kóng: Chit nn̄ggê lâng boēha̍h, ūbat oanke 
  chengchi̍p hō͘siōng khiohhūn tī--ê.

  
  Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū 
  ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū hósim.

  
    
    

    
    ----- Original Message ----- 

    **From:** 
    Lim Chun-iok 

    **To:** gugarn.giatou 

    **Cc:** Taigubang-02 
    

    **Sent:** Monday, May 05, 2008 8:35 AM

    **Subject:** [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia 
    Lo-ma-ji.

Kim-êng lāu-su, pêng-an

Chhiáⁿ khì http://www.peopo.org( Kong-kiōng Tiān-sī-tâi siat ê Kong-bîn Sin-bûn Pêⁿ-tâi)hoat-piáu chhut-siaⁿ.

Nā sī sú-iōng chhái-hóng lo̍k-iáⁿ ê iáⁿ-im sin-bûn hāu-kó koh-khah hó. Chhiáⁿ chham-khó goá ê blog…http://www.peopo.org/chuniok

Chuniok

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Kim-eng5 lau7-su, peng5-an

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Na7 si7 su2-iong7 chhai2-hong2 lok8-iann2 e5 iann2-im sin-bun5 hau7-ko2 koh-khah ho2. Chhiáⁿ chham-khó goá ê blog…http://www.peopo.org/chuniok

Chuniok

    2008/5/4 gugarn.giatou :

    
      
      Kokūi hiaⁿ-ché,

       

      Lômájī tah hit kúijī 
      niā.

       

      Goá sī Tâigílâng.  
      Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah o̍h oēhiáu chi̍tjī Lômájī 
      niā.  Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h ta̍kjī lóng o̍h 
      oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, 
      tiāⁿtiāⁿ siá, chhun kāi liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê 
      tāichì niā.

       

      Goá m̄sī Tâigílâng, goá 
      sī gíná.  Nā ánne kannā o̍h choân Lômájī sīm̄sī 
      pí o̍h choân Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô thàulām--ê kekhah 
      kántan?

      Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn 
      ū púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字".  Chitjī Hànjī koh 
      tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu mā khólêng iâuū 
      bûnim, chitmá iâu khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē lán chia 
      "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê im.  Chi̍tjījī ū 
      chia̍hchoē im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng "意象".  Sînkengkun 
      ài chiok toātiâu.  Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà 
      chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā.

      Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ 
      lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang to̍h kàoân, to̍h oētàng 
      pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô.  Kóng o̍hliáu Lômájī liáuāu 
      thiaukang kohchài lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá gō͘choā 
      cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah,  ánne chiongkuibé sī 
      siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) khah chânjím?

       

      Hànjī bānbāná 
      chhoē!

      M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá 
      Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji ê chengsîn, lênghûn, 
      bûnhoà, kenggiām ... lóng bôkhì loh!  Chesī teh kāng 
      Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī teh 
      chān lánê Tâigí.

      Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh 
      siongsìn?  Chhun chhoē 
      "撿角" boh lâi hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, 
      sī the̍h khì piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù.  
      "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng "pùnsò hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e 
      ìsù.  "Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi káiseh chò "角落" 
      a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi m̄sī 
      "ka̍k".  Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó 
      àiū hósim.

      Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h 
      hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut Tâigí ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng 
      gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng poē.

      Lômájī ēng hō͘i 
      koànsì!  Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

       

      Lán Tâigí chitmá iōngsim 
      kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám hó?  Lán nám̄ 
      ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 ...，而終 ...。) khaisí a̍hkhì kokchngthâu, siākhu 
      kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng Lômájī leh?  Chi̍tgê 
      ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ ê 
      Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘.  Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng 
      nā sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê 
      Tâioânoē mā bôkhólêng.  Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh 
      kāng lán thoa, m̄chai sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ 
      kî.

       

      Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ o̍h 
      bô.  Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh o̍h chiokchoē 
      tang--ê.  Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok 
      hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.  Chiū lán Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng 
      Lômájī chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá 
      to̍h bat ê mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan!   
      Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ kakī kihoē 
      toh oē-ēng--ê.

       

      Chhoà 
      Kimêng  

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Re: Re: [tgb] Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: Kiatgak Lau
Date: 2008-06-03 00:28:34

Kimêng hiaⁿ pêngan,

Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok hoaⁿhí ê tāichì. Chin chán ê koanliām, kóng liáu chiâⁿ hó. Ke o̍h 1 hāng mi̍hkiāⁿ, tō ke 1 hāng soánte̍k, tō ke khah chūiû.Chin chē chútiuⁿ ēng hànjī ê lâng, katī ê koanliām hō͘ hànjī pa̍ksí koh m̄ chai. Beh ēng m̄ ēng LMJ sī koanliām (thàitō͘) ê būntê.Kiatgak 2008-06-03

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, gugarn.giatou wrote:

Kokūi hiaⁿ-ché,

Lômájī tah hit kúijī niā.

Goá sī Tâigílâng. Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah o̍h oēhiáu chi̍tjī Lômájī niā. Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h ta̍kjī lóng o̍h oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ siá, chhun kāi liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì niā.

Goá m̄sī Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná. Nā ánne kannā o̍h choân Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô thàulām--ê kekhah kántan? Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字". Chitjī Hànjī koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu mā khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē lán chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê im. Chi̍tjījī ū chia̍hchoē im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng "意象". Sînkengkun ài chiok toātiâu. Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā. Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang to̍h kàoân, to̍h oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô. Kóng o̍hliáu Lômájī liáuāu thiaukang kohchài lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá gō͘choā cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah, ánne chiongkuibé sī siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) khah chânjím?

Hànjī bānbāná chhoē! M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji ê chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām … lóng bôkhì loh! Chesī teh kāng Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī teh chān lánê Tâigí. Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh siongsìn? Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh lâi hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h khì piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng "pùnsò hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù. "Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi káiseh chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi m̄sī "ka̍k". Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū hósim. Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut Tâigí ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng poē. Lômájī ēng hō͘i koànsì! Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

Lán Tâigí chitmá iōngsim kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám hó? Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 …，而終 …。) khaisí a̍hkhì kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng Lômájī leh? Chi̍tgê ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ ê Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘. Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng nā sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē mā bôkhólêng. Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán thoa, m̄chai sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ kî.

Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ o̍h bô. Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh o̍h chiokchoē tang--ê. Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok hoaⁿhí ê tāichì. Chiū lán Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat ê mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan! Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ kakī kihoē toh oē-ēng--ê.

Chhoà Kimêng

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: gugarn.giatou
Date: 2008-06-03 18:08:33

Lâu siàn, Pêngan!

 

Goá khì chhītiûⁿ

khoàⁿtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ, khai tāmpo̍há chîⁿ kāi bóe lâi ēng, chūánne sengoa̍h ūthangsîá ōe tè tit piànhoà, 多采多姿.

M̄koh khoàⁿtio̍h phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ, goá khólêng chi̍tsián chîⁿ to bōechhutē.  Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"!  Koh khah tiōngiàuê sī, lán chiahnihá iōngsim kèkàu teh thoân ê Tâioânōe kóng sī ánne … , lóng bô lánê "lênghûn", kám iâuū thoân ê pitiàu?  為"誰"辛苦為"誰"忙?  Hianihákú to lóng bô Hájī kám ū chha kah chitkúinî?  Hànjī bānbāná chhē, Lômájī toātoā sak.  Tī lán téng chi̍tûn ê lâng lóng iâu chāisiⁿ ê sî to̍h lóng hō͘ Lômájī phó͘phiànhoà kám m̄ hó?  Mài kóng pa̍thāng kannā kóng tī bûnim ham gúim ígoā koh chhòng chi̍ttui 破音字 kám hó?

Tn̄gtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ chho͘-khí-hông ōe hō͘ lâng kiaⁿhiâⁿ.  Lán lóng bô hō͘i kah lán o̍h Tiongbûn siokâng ê sîkan kah kihōe.  Chitmá lán teh súiōng Lômájī nā bô lísióng ê piáuhiān sī pitjiânē, engkaiē.  Lán ài goânliōng pa̍tlâng, mā ài goânliōng kakī ê chhiⁿso͘ bôse̍k, m̄thang chekpī kakī.  Choattùi ēng pí o̍h Hànjī khahchió ê sînkan kah chengsîn lán to̍h o̍h ōehiáu Tâigú Lômájī loh.  Goá púnlâng tùi Tâigú Lômájī júlâijúse̍k to̍hsi kàihó ê chi̍tgê lē!

 

Chhoà Kimêng

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Kiatgak Lau"

To: "gugarn.giatou"

Cc: "Taigubang-02"

Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:28 AM

Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ pêngan,

Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.

Chin chán ê koanliām, kóng liáu chiâⁿ hó. Ke o̍h 1 hāng mi̍hkiāⁿ, tō ke 1 hāng soánte̍k, tō ke khah chūiû.

Chin chē chútiuⁿ ēng hànjī ê lâng, katī ê koanliām hō͘ hànjī pa̍ksí koh m̄ chai. Beh ēng m̄ ēng LMJ sī koanliām (thàitō͘) ê būntê.

Kiatgak 2008-06-03

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, gugarn.giatou

wrote:

Kokūi hiaⁿ-ché,

Lômájī tah hit kúijī niā.

Goá sī Tâigílâng.  Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah o̍h oēhiáu chi̍tjī Lômájī niā.  Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h ta̍kjī lóng o̍h oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ siá, chhun kāi liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì niā.

Goá m̄sī Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná.  Nā ánne kannā o̍h choân Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô thàulām--ê kekhah kántan?

Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字".

Chitjī Hànjī koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu mā

khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē lán chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê im.  Chi̍tjījī ū chia̍hchoē im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng "意象".  Sînkengkun ài chiok toātiâu. Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā. Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang to̍h kàoân, to̍h oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô.  Kóng o̍hliáu Lômájī liáuāu thiaukang kohchài lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá gō͘choā

cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah,  ánne chiongkuibé sī siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) khah chânjím?

Hànjī bānbāná chhoē! M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji ê chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām … lóng bôkhì loh!  Chesī teh kāng Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī teh chān lánê Tâigí. Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh siongsìn?  Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh lâi hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h khì piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù.  "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng "pùnsò hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù.  "Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi káiseh chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi m̄sī

"ka̍k".  Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū hósim. Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut Tâigí ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng poē. Lômájī ēng hō͘i koànsì!  Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

Lán Tâigí chitmá iōngsim kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám

hó?  Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 …，而終 …。) khaisí a̍hkhì kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng Lômájī leh? Chi̍tgê ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ ê Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘.  Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng nā sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē mā bôkhólêng.  Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán thoa, m̄chai sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ kî.

Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ o̍h bô.  Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh o̍h chiokchoē tang--ê.  Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok

hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.  Chiū lán Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat ê mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan!   Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ kakī kihoē toh oē-ēng--ê.

Chhoà Kimêng

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: Kiatgak Lau
Date: 2008-06-04 00:05:09

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"! Chin chhimji̍p ê sukhó! Chiâⁿ ta̍t tit chò Tâigúbûn ūntōng ê lâng chhamkhó!Kiatgak 2008-06-04

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:08 PM, gugarn.giatou wrote:

Lâu siàn, Pêngan!

Goá khì chhītiûⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ, khai tāmpo̍há chîⁿ kāi bóe lâi ēng, chūánne sengoa̍h ūthangsîá ōe tè tit piànhoà, 多采多姿. M̄koh khoàⁿtio̍h phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ, goá khólêng chi̍tsián chîⁿ to bōechhutē. Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"! Koh khah tiōngiàuê sī, lán chiahnihá iōngsim kèkàu teh thoân ê Tâioânōe kóng sī ánne … , lóng bô lánê "lênghûn", kám iâuū thoân ê pitiàu? 為"誰"辛苦為"誰"忙? Hianihákú to lóng bô Hájī kám ū chha kah chitkúinî? Hànjī bānbāná chhē, Lômájī toātoā sak. Tī lán téng chi̍tûn ê lâng lóng iâu chāisiⁿ ê sî to̍h lóng hō͘ Lômájī phó͘phiànhoà kám m̄ hó? Mài kóng pa̍thāng kannā kóng tī bûnim ham gúim ígoā koh chhòng chi̍ttui 破音字 kám hó? Tn̄gtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ chho͘-khí-hông ōe hō͘ lâng kiaⁿhiâⁿ. Lán lóng bô hō͘i kah lán o̍h Tiongbûn siokâng ê sîkan kah kihōe. Chitmá lán teh súiōng Lômájī nā bô lísióng ê piáuhiān sī pitjiânē, engkaiē. Lán ài goânliōng pa̍tlâng, mā ài goânliōng kakī ê chhiⁿso͘ bôse̍k, m̄thang chekpī kakī. Choattùi ēng pí o̍h Hànjī khahchió ê sînkan kah chengsîn lán to̍h o̍h ōehiáu Tâigú Lômájī loh. Goá púnlâng tùi Tâigú Lômájī júlâijúse̍k to̍hsi kàihó ê chi̍tgê lē!

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kiatgak Lau" To: "gugarn.giatou" Cc: "Taigubang-02" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ pêngan,

Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.

Chin chán ê koanliām, kóng liáu chiâⁿ hó. Ke o̍h 1 hāng mi̍hkiāⁿ, tō ke 1 hāng soánte̍k, tō ke khah chūiû.

Chin chē chútiuⁿ ēng hànjī ê lâng, katī ê koanliām hō͘ hànjī pa̍ksí koh m̄ chai. Beh ēng m̄ ēng LMJ sī koanliām (thàitō͘) ê būntê.

Kiatgak 2008-06-03

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, gugarn.giatou wrote:

Kokūi hiaⁿ-ché,

Lômájī tah hit kúijī niā.

Goá sī Tâigílâng. Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah o̍h oēhiáu chi̍tjī Lômájī niā. Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h ta̍kjī lóng o̍h oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ siá, chhun kāi liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì niā.

Goá m̄sī Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná. Nā ánne kannā o̍h choân Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô thàulām--ê kekhah kántan? Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字". Chitjī Hànjī koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu mā khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē lán chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê im. Chi̍tjījī ū chia̍hchoē im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng "意象". Sînkengkun ài chiok toātiâu. Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā. Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang to̍h kàoân, to̍h oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô. Kóng o̍hliáu Lômájī liáuāu thiaukang kohchài lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá gō͘choā cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah, ánne chiongkuibé sī siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) khah chânjím?

Hànjī bānbāná chhoē! M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji ê chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām … lóng bôkhì loh! Chesī teh kāng Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī teh chān lánê Tâigí. Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh siongsìn? Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh lâi hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h khì piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng "pùnsò hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù. "Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi káiseh chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi m̄sī "ka̍k". Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū hósim. Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut Tâigí ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng poē. Lômájī ēng hō͘i koànsì! Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

Lán Tâigí chitmá iōngsim kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám hó? Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 …，而終 …。) khaisí a̍hkhì kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng Lômájī leh? Chi̍tgê ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ ê Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘. Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng nā sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē mā bôkhólêng. Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán thoa, m̄chai sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ kî.

Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ o̍h bô. Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh o̍h chiokchoē tang--ê. Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok hoaⁿhí ê tāichì. Chiū lán Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat ê mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan! Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ kakī kihoē toh oē-ēng--ê.

Chhoà Kimêng

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: Phokgoân Chio̍h
Date: 2008-06-04 14:54:26

Kimêng siansiⁿ pêngan,

   Goá ū kā che só͘ū ê thólūn loēiông lóng khǹg tī Tâigú Bāng Búlo̍k téngbīn.    http://taigubang.blogspot.com/2008/06/go-chiok-i-chh-kiho-thak-si-lmj.html

   Pauhâm āupiah ta̍kke chiap lo̍hkhì ê thólūn, goá lóng khǹg tī chitphiⁿ bûnchiuⁿ ēkha ê "phênglūn" lāité.

   Chū goá lâi chia, kap khì Hōlópedia (Tâibûn Pekkhochoânsu) khoàⁿtio̍h ta̍kke teh iōng Rômájī khaikáng, thólūn, kámkak chin kámtōng. Gíbûn to̍hsī khò ta̍kke ánne súiōng, chhòngchō, chiah thang kèsio̍k thoàⁿ lo̍hkhì.

   M̄koh thiaⁿ chinchoē chiânpoē kóng chi̍tkoá kò͘sū, a̍hsī khoàⁿ chi̍tkoá chuliāu, kámkak sim chiok thiàⁿ -- Tâibûn ê bûnhiàn, siausit ê khólêng pí póliû lo̍hlâi ê kohkhah choē.

   Ji̍tpún sîtāi ê chokphín, kap "Tâibûnlâng" ê ji̍tsiông kìsū, chhiúkó (Pílūn. [ Chhutsísoàⁿ ] Āuphiⁿ).

   2007 Tī Ji̍tgoa̍tthâm, àmsîá thiaⁿ Henry Agiâu siansiⁿ kóngê, 1990 nîtāi bānglō͘ chho͘kî ê lūntoâⁿ kap thongsìn tīn. (Kūê Tâigú Bāng?) Chinchoē chuliāu lóng oânchoân siausit khì ah.

   Iáukoh ū, lomaji.com mā tó ah… (Chuliāu m̄chaiiáⁿ kám ū lâu té? @.@")

   Chóngsī, ū chinchoē íchá ê chuliāu, chitmá lóng íkeng chhoē boētio̍h ah. Siūⁿtio̍h sim lóng ē thiàⁿ.

   Só͘í, chiah chin hoaⁿhí khoàⁿtio̍h lí goānì lâi tha̍k, siá Rômájī kap Tâigíbûn.

   Mā ē hibāng, lán kináji̍t ê thólūn, chiaê bûnjī ētàng lâu lo̍hlâi. Lán chitmá chit tīn, chóngsī 1ê só khílâi ê thólūn tīn, só͘í goá chiah ē hibāng tī bānglō͘ téngbīn ke lâu kúi hūn-á.

   A̍h tio̍hsī inūi ánne, chiah ē hibāng chhoē lâng chòhoé lâi Sukáipù khaikáng. Mā kā khaikáng lo̍k (chat log) lâu 1 hūn tī soàⁿténg. http://taigubang.blogspot.com/search/label/Lo%CC%8Dk

   Goá ē kámkak to̍hsǹg sī ū chi̍ttiámá "bôliâu" ê oētê (thólūn tiāniáⁿ, iákiû… téngténg) mā ta̍ttit lâu lo̍hlâi. Chóngsī chitkoá "chitê sîtāi ê lâng" khaikáng ê kìlo̍k. Tio̍h chhinchhiūⁿ goá chitmá ē chin siūⁿbeh chhoē kó͘chálâng siá ê Rômájī ji̍tkì kângkhoán.

   Suijiân chaiiáⁿ katī Tâibûn lêngle̍k bôhó, chóngsī, hibāng katī ētàng chīnliōng kā ta̍kke kóngê oē póliû lo̍hlâi, lâu hō͘ lánê kiáⁿsun.

Phokgoân, La̍kgoe̍h c4, 2008

(Chù: Kimêng siansiⁿ, kîsi̍t lí phahê jī ū chi̍ttiámá būntê -- Lí phah chhutlâi ê jī lóngsī cho͘ha̍p jī,

   pílūn "ê" lí phah chhutlâi lóngsī "e^", ánne kîsi̍t ē ū chi̍ttiámá loān.    Jîchhiáⁿ kîsi̍t chiaê jī lóng ū ko͘chi̍t jī ê phahhoat.    Só͘í goá tī Tâigú Bāng Búlo̍k téngbīn lóng kā lí kái hó ah. Hō͘ lí chhamkhó :))

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: gugarn.giatou
Date: 2008-06-04 18:09:34

Lâu siàn,Koh kóngchi̍tgê phínchit putliông ê lē: Lán Tâioânōe "chin kín ê sîkan" ūlâng kóng Hànjī sī "連鞭". Ai-ioh! Chinchiàⁿ thak bōelo̍hkhì. Siatsú chèngkhakê Rômájī sī "liap-nih". Chhun ánne āutē kiáⁿsun khoàⁿtio̍h Hànjī "連鞭" boh chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" to̍h chiâⁿpiàⁿē. Thiaⁿtio̍h kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ēng Rômájī siá khílâi sī "liam-piⁿ", "liam-mi̍h", … , boh chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" ê kihōe sī khahtoā. Tio̍h--bô? Tngtangsî i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" ê sî, hoānsè hoaⁿhí kah poa̍hpoa̍h--tó, inūi i 功在台語. Sūsi̍tsiōng "chin kín ê sîkan" lán chitmá ê kónghoat siatsú chinchiàⁿ sī "liap-nih" ê impiàn, ánne i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" m̄to̍hsīteh 遺禍子孫? :pChhōe Hànjī chinchiàⁿ ài sīntiōng, mài biánkióng. Ke khì mn̄g chi̍tkoálâng chiah lo̍hpit. Chhun: Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng. M̄bat Hànjī ê Tâgúlâng. Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān só͘chāi ê Tâigúlâng. Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng. Mài kannā khoàⁿ kúipún kó͘cháchheh to̍hlâi 閉門造車. Nābô ōe kālângê kungoân lóng chhòchhòtiāu. Ánne sī teh tn̄g lângê kun, tn̄g lângê chúilō͘, sī lēnggoā chi̍tchióng bia̍tlâng gúgiân, bûnhoà ê to̍kpō͘ neh. Goá ài phínchit hó ê Tâigí Hànjī ê goânin tio̍hsī ánne niā.

Chhoà Kimêng ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kiatgak Lau" To: "gugarn.giatou" Cc: "Taigubang-02" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:05 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"!

Chin chhimji̍p ê sukhó! Chiâⁿ ta̍t tit chò Tâigúbûn ūntōng ê lâng chhamkhó!

Kiatgak 2008-06-04

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:08 PM, gugarn.giatou wrote:

Lâu siàn, Pêngan!

Goá khì chhītiûⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ, khai tāmpo̍há chîⁿ kāi bóe lâi ēng, chūánne sengoa̍h ūthangsîá ōe tè tit piànhoà, 多采多姿. M̄koh khoàⁿtio̍h phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ, goá khólêng chi̍tsián chîⁿ to bōechhutē. Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"! Koh khah tiōngiàuê sī, lán chiahnihá iōngsim kèkàu teh thoân ê Tâioânōe kóng sī ánne … , lóng bô lánê "lênghûn", kám iâuū thoân ê pitiàu? 為"誰"辛苦為"誰"忙? Hianihákú to lóng bô Hájī kám ū chha kah chitkúinî? Hànjī bānbāná chhē, Lômájī toātoā sak. Tī lán téng chi̍tûn ê lâng lóng iâu chāisiⁿ ê sî to̍h lóng hō͘ Lômájī phó͘phiànhoà kám m̄ hó? Mài kóng pa̍thāng kannā kóng tī bûnim ham gúim ígoā koh chhòng chi̍ttui 破音字 kám hó? Tn̄gtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ chho͘-khí-hông ōe hō͘ lâng kiaⁿhiâⁿ. Lán lóng bô hō͘i kah lán o̍h Tiongbûn siokâng ê sîkan kah kihōe. Chitmá lán teh súiōng Lômájī nā bô lísióng ê piáuhiān sī pitjiânē, engkaiē. Lán ài goânliōng pa̍tlâng, mā ài goânliōng kakī ê chhiⁿso͘ bôse̍k, m̄thang chekpī kakī. Choattùi ēng pí o̍h Hànjī khahchió ê sînkan kah chengsîn lán to̍h o̍h ōehiáu Tâigú Lômájī loh. Goá púnlâng tùi Tâigú Lômájī júlâijúse̍k to̍hsi kàihó ê chi̍tgê lē!

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kiatgak Lau" To: "gugarn.giatou" Cc: "Taigubang-02" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ pêngan,

Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.

Chin chán ê koanliām, kóng liáu chiâⁿ hó. Ke o̍h 1 hāng mi̍hkiāⁿ, tō ke 1 hāng soánte̍k, tō ke khah chūiû.

Chin chē chútiuⁿ ēng hànjī ê lâng, katī ê koanliām hō͘ hànjī pa̍ksí koh m̄ chai. Beh ēng m̄ ēng LMJ sī koanliām (thàitō͘) ê būntê.

Kiatgak 2008-06-03

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, gugarn.giatou wrote:

Kokūi hiaⁿ-ché,

Lômájī tah hit kúijī niā.

Goá sī Tâigílâng. Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah o̍h oēhiáu chi̍tjī Lômájī niā. Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h ta̍kjī lóng o̍h oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ siá, chhun kāi liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì niā.

Goá m̄sī Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná. Nā ánne kannā o̍h choân Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô thàulām--ê kekhah kántan? Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字". Chitjī Hànjī koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu mā khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē lán chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê im. Chi̍tjījī ū chia̍hchoē im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng "意象". Sînkengkun ài chiok toātiâu. Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā. Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang to̍h kàoân, to̍h oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô. Kóng o̍hliáu Lômájī liáuāu thiaukang kohchài lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá gō͘choā cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah, ánne chiongkuibé sī siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) khah chânjím?

Hànjī bānbāná chhoē! M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji ê chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām … lóng bôkhì loh! Chesī teh kāng Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī teh chān lánê Tâigí. Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh siongsìn? Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh lâi hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h khì piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng "pùnsò hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù. "Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi káiseh chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi m̄sī "ka̍k". Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū hósim. Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut Tâigí ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng poē. Lômájī ēng hō͘i koànsì! Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

Lán Tâigí chitmá iōngsim kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám hó? Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 …，而終 …。) khaisí a̍hkhì kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng Lômájī leh? Chi̍tgê ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ ê Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘. Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng nā sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē mā bôkhólêng. Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán thoa, m̄chai sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ kî.

Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ o̍h bô. Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh o̍h chiokchoē tang--ê. Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok hoaⁿhí ê tāichì. Chiū lán Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat ê mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan! Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ kakī kihoē toh oē-ēng--ê.

Chhoà Kimêng

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: gugarn.giatou
Date: 2008-06-04 18:29:06

Chio̍h siàn,Ti kehsek kāi káitńglâi sûnbûnjī khoàⁿ ōe mài koh chhuthiān lí kóngê cho͘ha̍pjī--bōe? Chhiáⁿ kohchài chítiám. Lóla̍t. Kakī 閉門造車 to̍hōe ū chitchióng kiatkó. Kámsiā lí lâi the̍hchhíⁿ hō͘goá ū káisiān ê kihōe. Mài koh chōsêng ta̍kke ê khùnjiáu. Mâhoân koh pang goá khoàⁿ ū káikoat--bô?Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message ----- From: Phokgoân Chio̍h To: Google TGB Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng siansiⁿ pêngan, Goá ū kā che só͘ū ê thólūn loēiông lóng khǹg tī Tâigú Bāng Búlo̍k téngbīn. http://taigubang.blogspot.com/2008/06/go-chiok-i-chh-kiho-thak-si-lmj.html Pauhâm āupiah ta̍kke chiap lo̍hkhì ê thólūn, goá lóng khǹg tī chitphiⁿ bûnchiuⁿ ēkha ê "phênglūn" lāité. Chū goá lâi chia, kap khì Hōlópedia (Tâibûn Pekkhochoânsu) khoàⁿtio̍h ta̍kke teh iōng Rômájī khaikáng, thólūn, kámkak chin kámtōng. Gíbûn to̍hsī khò ta̍kke ánne súiōng, chhòngchō, chiah thang kèsio̍k thoàⁿ lo̍hkhì. M̄koh thiaⁿ chinchoē chiânpoē kóng chi̍tkoá kò͘sū, a̍hsī khoàⁿ chi̍tkoá chuliāu, kámkak sim chiok thiàⁿ -- Tâibûn ê bûnhiàn, siausit ê khólêng pí póliû lo̍hlâi ê kohkhah choē. Ji̍tpún sîtāi ê chokphín, kap "Tâibûnlâng" ê ji̍tsiông kìsū, chhiúkó (Pílūn. [ Chhutsísoàⁿ ] Āuphiⁿ). 2007 Tī Ji̍tgoa̍tthâm, àmsîá thiaⁿ Henry Agiâu siansiⁿ kóngê, 1990 nîtāi bānglō͘ chho͘kî ê lūntoâⁿ kap thongsìn tīn. (Kūê Tâigú Bāng?) Chinchoē chuliāu lóng oânchoân siausit khì ah. Iáukoh ū, lomaji.com mā tó ah… (Chuliāu m̄chaiiáⁿ kám ū lâu té? @.@") Chóngsī, ū chinchoē íchá ê chuliāu, chitmá lóng íkeng chhoē boētio̍h ah. Siūⁿtio̍h sim lóng ē thiàⁿ. Só͘í, chiah chin hoaⁿhí khoàⁿtio̍h lí goānì lâi tha̍k, siá Rômájī kap Tâigíbûn. Mā ē hibāng, lán kináji̍t ê thólūn, chiaê bûnjī ētàng lâu lo̍hlâi. Lán chitmá chit tīn, chóngsī 1ê só khílâi ê thólūn tīn, só͘í goá chiah ē hibāng tī bānglō͘ téngbīn ke lâu kúi hūn-á. A̍h tio̍hsī inūi ánne, chiah ē hibāng chhoē lâng chòhoé lâi Sukáipù khaikáng. Mā kā khaikáng lo̍k (chat log) lâu 1 hūn tī soàⁿténg. http://taigubang.blogspot.com/search/label/Lo%CC%8Dk Goá ē kámkak to̍hsǹg sī ū chi̍ttiámá "bôliâu" ê oētê (thólūn tiāniáⁿ, iákiû… téngténg) mā ta̍ttit lâu lo̍hlâi. Chóngsī chitkoá "chitê sîtāi ê lâng" khaikáng ê kìlo̍k. Tio̍h chhinchhiūⁿ goá chitmá ē chin siūⁿbeh chhoē kó͘chálâng siá ê Rômájī ji̍tkì kângkhoán. Suijiân chaiiáⁿ katī Tâibûn lêngle̍k bôhó, chóngsī, hibāng katī ētàng chīnliōng kā ta̍kke kóngê oē póliû lo̍hlâi, lâu hō͘ lánê kiáⁿsun.Phokgoân, La̍kgoe̍h c4, 2008(Chù: Kimêng siansiⁿ, kîsi̍t lí phahê jī ū chi̍ttiámá būntê -- Lí phah chhutlâi ê jī lóngsī cho͘ha̍p jī, pílūn "ê" lí phah chhutlâi lóngsī "e^", ánne kîsi̍t ē ū chi̍ttiámá loān. Jîchhiáⁿ kîsi̍t chiaê jī lóng ū ko͘chi̍t jī ê phahhoat. Só͘í goá tī Tâigú Bāng Búlo̍k téngbīn lóng kā lí kái hó ah. Hō͘ lí chhamkhó :))

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Re: Hoi-liuk-fa e kau-chai

From: levin
Date: 2008-06-04 19:04:28

Kok-ui hiaN-che, Beh oh8 Kheh-oe ai an-choaN he-chhiu khah-ho--leh?Goa chai-iaN lan TGB u kui-e hiaN-che ma si toa-han i-au chiah oh Kheh-oe--e, siuN beh ti chia chheng-kau tai-ke. Hoi-liuk-fa u 7-e siaN-tiau, Si-yan-fa kan-na 6-e. Goa leh siuN, na seng oh Hoi-liuk, khoh-leng au-jit-a beh tng-seh khi Si-yan e khah-ho-se. Sou-i goa si siuN beh seng tui Hoi-liuk he-chhiu. M-koh goa chit-siaN chiah hoat-kak chhoe bo sim-mih kau-chai, iu-ki si u CD ah Tape e kau-chai. M-chai u-lang e-tang ka goa chi-tiam--chit-e--bo?Leng-goa, 徐兆泉e 台灣客家話辭典, goa kui-kang-cheng khi 南天書局mng, kong choat-pan..a, Chhi sian-si tng leh pian sin-pan2, ai koh tan2. M-chai u-lang chai-iaN toh-ui u-te3 be2 i e chhou-pan--bo?Ka tak-ke chak-cho. Lou-lat.Lip-bun

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Re: Re: [tgb] Hoi-liuk-fa e kau-chai

From: Lim Chun-iok
Date: 2008-06-04 19:21:03

Li̍p-bûn,

Kheh-gí Sìn-bōng-ài http://hakka.fhl.net téng-bīn ū kheh-gí iáⁿ-im kàu-chāi kap soàⁿ-téng jī-tián, Hoâ-gí choán Kheh-gí kang-ku, Kheh-gí Hàn-lô su-ji̍p-hoat téng-téng.

Goá sī án-ne o̍h khí-lâi ê.

Chuniok

2008/6/4 levin :

Kok-ui hiaN-che,

Beh oh8 Kheh-oe ai an-choaN he-chhiu khah-ho--leh?

Goa chai-iaN lan TGB u kui-e hiaN-che ma si toa-han i-au chiah oh

Kheh-oe--e, siuN beh ti chia chheng-kau tai-ke.

Hoi-liuk-fa u 7-e siaN-tiau, Si-yan-fa kan-na 6-e. Goa leh siuN, na seng

oh Hoi-liuk, khoh-leng au-jit-a beh tng-seh khi Si-yan e khah-ho-se.

Sou-i goa si siuN beh seng tui Hoi-liuk he-chhiu.

M-koh goa chit-siaN chiah hoat-kak chhoe bo sim-mih kau-chai, iu-ki si u

CD ah Tape e kau-chai.

M-chai u-lang e-tang ka goa chi-tiam--chit-e--bo?

Leng-goa, 徐兆泉e 台灣客家話辭典, goa kui-kang-cheng khi 南天書局mng,

kong choat-pan..a, Chhi sian-si tng leh pian sin-pan2, ai koh tan2.

M-chai u-lang chai-iaN toh-ui u-te3 be2 i e chhou-pan--bo?

Ka tak-ke chak-cho.

Lou-lat.

Lip-bun

-- 基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！ Lim Chun-iok http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字) http://taigu.fhl.net http://hakka.fhl.net

http://taigi.fhl.net http://tailo.fhl.net

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: Phokgoân Chio̍h
Date: 2008-06-04 19:26:38

Kimêng siansiⁿ,

   Kângkhoán neh… Goá tī hùtóng khǹg 1 tiuⁿ tô͘, hō͘ lí chhamkhó chi̍tē. Téngbīn sī líê phoe ê siáhoat, ēkha sī goá káikoè ê.

   Mā siūⁿbeh chhiáⁿmn̄g lí iōng siáⁿmih suji̍phoat leh :D

Phokgoan, La̍kgoe̍h c4, 2008

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:29 PM, gugarn.giatou wrote:

Chio̍h siàn,

Ti kehsek kāi káitńglâi sûnbûnjī khoàⁿ ōe mài koh chhuthiān lí kóngê cho͘ha̍pjī--bōe?  Chhiáⁿ kohchài chítiám.  Lóla̍t.  Kakī 閉門造車 to̍hōe ū chitchióng kiatkó.  Kámsiā lí lâi the̍hchhíⁿ hō͘goá ū káisiān ê kihōe.  Mài koh chōsêng ta̍kke ê khùnjiáu.  Mâhoân koh pang goá khoàⁿ ū káikoat--bô?

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message ----- From: Phokgoân Chio̍h

To: Google TGB

Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:54 PM

Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng siansiⁿ pêngan,

 Goá ū kā che só͘ū ê thólūn loēiông lóng khǹg tī Tâigú Bāng Búlo̍k téngbīn.

 http://taigubang.blogspot.com/2008/06/go-chiok-i-chh-kiho-thak-si-lmj.html

 Pauhâm āupiah ta̍kke chiap lo̍hkhì ê thólūn, goá lóng khǹg tī chitphiⁿ bûnchiuⁿ ēkha ê "phênglūn" lāité.

 Chū goá lâi chia, kap khì Hōlópedia (Tâibûn Pekkhochoânsu) khoàⁿtio̍h ta̍kke teh iōng Rômájī khaikáng, thólūn, kámkak chin kámtōng. Gíbûn to̍hsī khò ta̍kke ánne súiōng, chhòngchō, chiah thang kèsio̍k thoàⁿ lo̍hkhì.

 M̄koh thiaⁿ chinchoē chiânpoē kóng chi̍tkoá kò͘sū, a̍hsī khoàⁿ chi̍tkoá chuliāu, kámkak sim chiok thiàⁿ -- Tâibûn ê bûnhiàn, siausit ê khólêng pí póliû lo̍hlâi ê kohkhah choē.

 Ji̍tpún sîtāi ê chokphín, kap "Tâibûnlâng" ê ji̍tsiông kìsū, chhiúkó (Pílūn. [ Chhutsísoàⁿ ] Āuphiⁿ).

 2007 Tī Ji̍tgoa̍tthâm, àmsîá thiaⁿ Henry Agiâu siansiⁿ kóngê, 1990 nîtāi bānglō͘ chho͘kî ê lūntoâⁿ kap thongsìn tīn. (Kūê Tâigú Bāng?) Chinchoē chuliāu lóng oânchoân siausit khì ah.

 Iáukoh ū, lomaji.com mā tó ah… (Chuliāu m̄chaiiáⁿ kám ū lâu té? @.@")

 Chóngsī, ū chinchoē íchá ê chuliāu, chitmá lóng íkeng chhoē boētio̍h ah. Siūⁿtio̍h sim lóng ē thiàⁿ.

 Só͘í, chiah chin hoaⁿhí khoàⁿtio̍h lí goānì lâi tha̍k, siá Rômájī kap Tâigíbûn.

 Mā ē hibāng, lán kináji̍t ê thólūn, chiaê bûnjī ētàng lâu lo̍hlâi. Lán chitmá chit tīn, chóngsī 1ê só khílâi ê thólūn tīn, só͘í goá chiah ē hibāng tī bānglō͘ téngbīn ke lâu kúi hūn-á.

 A̍h tio̍hsī inūi ánne, chiah ē hibāng chhoē lâng chòhoé lâi Sukáipù khaikáng. Mā kā khaikáng lo̍k (chat log) lâu 1 hūn tī soàⁿténg. http://taigubang.blogspot.com/search/label/Lo%CC%8Dk

 Goá ē kámkak to̍hsǹg sī ū chi̍ttiámá "bôliâu" ê oētê (thólūn tiāniáⁿ, iákiû… téngténg) mā ta̍ttit lâu lo̍hlâi. Chóngsī chitkoá "chitê sîtāi ê lâng" khaikáng ê kìlo̍k. Tio̍h chhinchhiūⁿ goá chitmá ē chin siūⁿbeh chhoē kó͘chálâng siá ê Rômájī ji̍tkì kângkhoán.

 Suijiân chaiiáⁿ katī Tâibûn lêngle̍k bôhó, chóngsī, hibāng katī ētàng chīnliōng kā ta̍kke kóngê oē póliû lo̍hlâi, lâu hō͘ lánê kiáⁿsun.

Phokgoân,

La̍kgoe̍h c4, 2008

(Chù: Kimêng siansiⁿ, kîsi̍t lí phahê jī ū chi̍ttiámá būntê -- Lí phah chhutlâi ê jī lóngsī cho͘ha̍p jī,

 pílūn "ê" lí phah chhutlâi lóngsī "e^", ánne kîsi̍t ē ū chi̍ttiámá loān.

 Jîchhiáⁿ kîsi̍t chiaê jī lóng ū ko͘chi̍t jī ê phahhoat.

 Só͘í goá tī Tâigú Bāng Búlo̍k téngbīn lóng kā lí kái hó ah. Hō͘ lí chhamkhó :))

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: 巫義淵
Date: 2008-06-05 08:29:54

taike pengansou sia e "連鞭"kinku Kam Uilim jitian si sia "臨邊" liam5pinn , chhiann chhamkhobugiian 2008.06.05

----- Original Message ----- From: "gugarn.giatou" To: "Kiatgak Lau" Cc: "Taigubang-02" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 6:09 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Lâu siàn,

Koh kóngchi̍tgê phínchit putliông ê lē: Lán Tâioânōe "chin kín ê sîkan" ūlâng kóng Hànjī sī "連鞭". Ai-ioh! Chinchiàⁿ thak bōelo̍hkhì. Siatsú chèngkhakê Rômájī sī "liap-nih". Chhun ánne āutē kiáⁿsun khoàⁿtio̍h Hànjī "連鞭" boh chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" to̍h chiâⁿpiàⁿē. Thiaⁿtio̍h kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ēng Rômájī siá khílâi sī "liam-piⁿ", "liam-mi̍h", … , boh chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" ê kihōe sī khahtoā. Tio̍h--bô? Tngtangsî i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" ê sî, hoānsè hoaⁿhí kah poa̍hpoa̍h--tó, inūi i 功在台語. Sūsi̍tsiōng "chin kín ê sîkan" lán chitmá ê kónghoat siatsú chinchiàⁿ sī "liap-nih" ê impiàn, ánne i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" m̄to̍hsīteh 遺禍子孫? :p

Chhōe Hànjī chinchiàⁿ ài sīntiōng, mài biánkióng. Ke khì mn̄g chi̍tkoálâng chiah lo̍hpit. Chhun: Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng. M̄bat Hànjī ê Tâgúlâng. Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān só͘chāi ê Tâigúlâng. Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng. Mài kannā khoàⁿ kúipún kó͘cháchheh to̍hlâi 閉門造車. Nābô ōe kālângê kungoân lóng chhòchhòtiāu. Ánne sī teh tn̄g lângê kun, tn̄g lângê chúilō͘, sī lēnggoā chi̍tchióng bia̍tlâng gúgiân, bûnhoà ê to̍kpō͘ neh. Goá ài phínchit hó ê Tâigí Hànjī ê goânin tio̍hsī ánne niā.

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message -----

From: "Kiatgak Lau" To: "gugarn.giatou" Cc: "Taigubang-02" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:05 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"!

Chin chhimji̍p ê sukhó! Chiâⁿ ta̍t tit chò Tâigúbûn ūntōng ê lâng chhamkhó!

Kiatgak 2008-06-04

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:08 PM, gugarn.giatou wrote:

Lâu siàn, Pêngan!

Goá khì chhītiûⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ, khai tāmpo̍há chîⁿ kāi bóe lâi ēng, chūánne sengoa̍h ūthangsîá ōe tè tit piànhoà, 多采多姿. M̄koh khoàⁿtio̍h phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ, goá khólêng chi̍tsián chîⁿ to bōechhutē. Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"! Koh khah tiōngiàuê sī, lán chiahnihá iōngsim kèkàu teh thoân ê Tâioânōe kóng sī ánne … , lóng bô lánê "lênghûn", kám iâuū thoân ê pitiàu? 為"誰"辛苦為"誰"忙? Hianihákú to lóng bô Hájī kám ū chha kah chitkúinî? Hànjī bānbāná chhē, Lômájī toātoā sak. Tī lán téng chi̍tûn ê lâng lóng iâu chāisiⁿ ê sî to̍h lóng hō͘ Lômájī phó͘phiànhoà kám m̄ hó? Mài kóng pa̍thāng kannā kóng tī bûnim ham gúim ígoā koh chhòng chi̍ttui 破音字 kám hó? Tn̄gtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ chho͘-khí-hông ōe hō͘ lâng kiaⁿhiâⁿ. Lán lóng bô hō͘i kah lán o̍h Tiongbûn siokâng ê sîkan kah kihōe. Chitmá lán teh súiōng Lômájī nā bô lísióng ê piáuhiān sī pitjiânē, engkaiē. Lán ài goânliōng pa̍tlâng, mā ài goânliōng kakī ê chhiⁿso͘ bôse̍k, m̄thang chekpī kakī. Choattùi ēng pí o̍h Hànjī khahchió ê sînkan kah chengsîn lán to̍h o̍h ōehiáu Tâigú Lômájī loh. Goá púnlâng tùi Tâigú Lômájī júlâijúse̍k to̍hsi kàihó ê chi̍tgê lē!

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kiatgak Lau" To: "gugarn.giatou" Cc: "Taigubang-02" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ pêngan,

Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.

Chin chán ê koanliām, kóng liáu chiâⁿ hó. Ke o̍h 1 hāng mi̍hkiāⁿ, tō ke 1 hāng soánte̍k, tō ke khah chūiû.

Chin chē chútiuⁿ ēng hànjī ê lâng, katī ê koanliām hō͘ hànjī pa̍ksí koh m̄ chai. Beh ēng m̄ ēng LMJ sī koanliām (thàitō͘) ê būntê.

Kiatgak 2008-06-03

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, gugarn.giatou wrote:

Kokūi hiaⁿ-ché,

Lômájī tah hit kúijī niā.

Goá sī Tâigílâng. Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah o̍h oēhiáu chi̍tjī Lômájī niā. Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h ta̍kjī lóng o̍h oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ siá, chhun kāi liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì niā.

Goá m̄sī Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná. Nā ánne kannā o̍h choân Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô thàulām--ê kekhah kántan? Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字 ". Chitjī Hànjī koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu mā khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē lán chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê im. Chi̍tjījī ū chia̍hchoē im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng "意象". Sînkengkun ài chiok toātiâu. Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā. Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang to̍h kàoân, to̍h oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô. Kóng o̍hliáu Lômájī liáuāu thiaukang kohchài lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá gō͘choā cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah, ánne chiongkuibé sī siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) khah chânjím?

Hànjī bānbāná chhoē! M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji ê chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām … lóng bôkhì loh! Chesī teh kāng Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī teh chān lánê Tâigí. Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh siongsìn? Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh lâi hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h khì piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng "pùnsò hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù. "Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi káiseh chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi m̄sī "ka̍k". Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū hósim. Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut Tâigí ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng poē. Lômájī ēng hō͘i koànsì! Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

Lán Tâigí chitmá iōngsim kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám hó? Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 …，而終 …。) khaisí a̍hkhì kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng Lômájī leh? Chi̍tgê ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ ê Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘. Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng nā sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē mā bôkhólêng. Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán thoa, m̄chai sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ kî.

Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ o̍h bô. Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh o̍h chiokchoē tang--ê. Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok hoaⁿhí ê tāichì. Chiū lán Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat ê mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan! Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ kakī kihoē toh oē-ēng--ê.

Chhoà Kimêng

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Re: RE: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From:
Date: 2008-06-05 12:45:20

Taigubang 大家好

提供思考資料而已。

見附件：台語_念彌.jpg

說明： 念 -> 短時間 彌 -> 長時間 台語：念彌 -> 華語：可能短時間，也可能長時間。 -> 華語：不能確定，但不會立即，也不會很久。

台語的「念彌」一詞，與「心中覺得要趕快之意」「無關」， 而是單純「對時間長短的判斷之詞」而已， 所以與「連鞭」搭不上邊！

台語實例：阿明念彌來 -> 華語：阿明不會立即也不會很久，會到達這兒。 說此話語者是否「急著希望」阿明要立刻到達呢？不知！

Best Regards

Truth Wang 王聖欣 2008/06/05

-----Original Message----- From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of 巫義淵 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:30 AM To: gugarn.giatou; Kiatgak Lau Cc: Taigubang-02 Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

taike pengan

sou sia e "連鞭"kinku Kam Uilim jitian si sia "臨邊" liam5pinn , chhiann chhamkho

bugiian 2008.06.05 ----- Original Message ----- From: "gugarn.giatou" To: "Kiatgak Lau" Cc: "Taigubang-02" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 6:09 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Lâu siàn,

Koh kóngchi̍tgê phínchit putliông ê lē: Lán Tâioânōe "chin kín ê sîkan" ūlâng kóng Hànjī sī "連鞭". Ai-ioh! Chinchiàⁿ thak bōelo̍hkhì. Siatsú chèngkhakê Rômájī sī "liap-nih". Chhun ánne āutē kiáⁿsun khoàⁿtio̍h Hànjī "連鞭" boh chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" to̍h chiâⁿpiàⁿē. Thiaⁿtio̍h kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ēng Rômájī siá khílâi sī "liam-piⁿ", "liam-mi̍h", … , boh chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" ê kihōe sī khahtoā. Tio̍h--bô? Tngtangsî i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" ê sî, hoānsè hoaⁿhí kah poa̍hpoa̍h--tó, inūi i 功在台語. Sūsi̍tsiōng "chin kín ê sîkan" lán chitmá ê kónghoat siatsú chinchiàⁿ sī "liap-nih" ê impiàn, ánne i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" m̄to̍hsīteh 遺禍子孫? :p

Chhōe Hànjī chinchiàⁿ ài sīntiōng, mài biánkióng. Ke khì mn̄g chi̍tkoálâng chiah lo̍hpit. Chhun: Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng. M̄bat Hànjī ê Tâgúlâng. Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān só͘chāi ê Tâigúlâng. Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng. Mài kannā khoàⁿ kúipún kó͘cháchheh to̍hlâi 閉門造車. Nābô ōe kālângê kungoân lóng chhòchhòtiāu. Ánne sī teh tn̄g lângê kun, tn̄g lângê chúilō͘, sī lēnggoā chi̍tchióng bia̍tlâng gúgiân, bûnhoà ê to̍kpō͘ neh. Goá ài phínchit hó ê Tâigí Hànjī ê goânin tio̍hsī ánne niā.

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message -----

From: "Kiatgak Lau" To: "gugarn.giatou" Cc: "Taigubang-02" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:05 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"!

Chin chhimji̍p ê sukhó! Chiâⁿ ta̍t tit chò Tâigúbûn ūntōng ê lâng chhamkhó!

Kiatgak 2008-06-04

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:08 PM, gugarn.giatou wrote:

Lâu siàn, Pêngan!

Goá khì chhītiûⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ, khai tāmpo̍há chîⁿ kāi bóe lâi ēng, chūánne sengoa̍h ūthangsîá ōe tè tit piànhoà, 多采多姿. M̄koh khoàⁿtio̍h phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ, goá khólêng chi̍tsián chîⁿ to bōechhutē. Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"! Koh khah tiōngiàuê sī, lán chiahnihá iōngsim kèkàu teh thoân ê Tâioânōe kóng sī ánne … , lóng bô lánê "lênghûn", kám iâuū thoân ê pitiàu? 為"誰"辛苦為"誰"忙? Hianihákú to lóng bô Hájī kám ū chha kah chitkúinî? Hànjī bānbāná chhē, Lômájī toātoā sak. Tī lán téng chi̍tûn ê lâng lóng iâu chāisiⁿ ê sî to̍h lóng hō͘ Lômájī phó͘phiànhoà kám m̄ hó? Mài kóng pa̍thāng kannā kóng tī bûnim ham gúim ígoā koh chhòng chi̍ttui 破音字 kám hó? Tn̄gtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ chho͘-khí-hông ōe hō͘ lâng kiaⁿhiâⁿ. Lán lóng bô hō͘i kah lán o̍h Tiongbûn siokâng ê sîkan kah kihōe. Chitmá lán teh súiōng Lômájī nā bô lísióng ê piáuhiān sī pitjiânē, engkaiē. Lán ài goânliōng pa̍tlâng, mā ài goânliōng kakī ê chhiⁿso͘ bôse̍k, m̄thang chekpī kakī. Choattùi ēng pí o̍h Hànjī khahchió ê sînkan kah chengsîn lán to̍h o̍h ōehiáu Tâigú Lômájī loh. Goá púnlâng tùi Tâigú Lômájī júlâijúse̍k to̍hsi kàihó ê chi̍tgê lē!

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kiatgak Lau" To: "gugarn.giatou" Cc: "Taigubang-02" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ pêngan,

Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.

Chin chán ê koanliām, kóng liáu chiâⁿ hó. Ke o̍h 1 hāng mi̍hkiāⁿ, tō ke 1 hāng soánte̍k, tō ke khah chūiû.

Chin chē chútiuⁿ ēng hànjī ê lâng, katī ê koanliām hō͘ hànjī pa̍ksí koh m̄ chai. Beh ēng m̄ ēng LMJ sī koanliām (thàitō͘) ê būntê.

Kiatgak 2008-06-03

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, gugarn.giatou wrote:

Kokūi hiaⁿ-ché,

Lômájī tah hit kúijī niā.

Goá sī Tâigílâng. Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah o̍h oēhiáu chi̍tjī Lômájī niā. Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h ta̍kjī lóng o̍h oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ siá, chhun kāi liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì niā.

Goá m̄sī Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná. Nā ánne kannā o̍h choân Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô thàulām--ê kekhah kántan? Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字 ". Chitjī Hànjī koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu mā khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē lán chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê im. Chi̍tjījī ū chia̍hchoē im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng "意象". Sînkengkun ài chiok toātiâu. Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā. Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang to̍h kàoân, to̍h oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô. Kóng o̍hliáu Lômájī liáuāu thiaukang kohchài lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá gō͘choā cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah, ánne chiongkuibé sī siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) khah chânjím?

Hànjī bānbāná chhoē! M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji ê chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām … lóng bôkhì loh! Chesī teh kāng Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī teh chān lánê Tâigí. Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh siongsìn? Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh lâi hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h khì piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng "pùnsò hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù. "Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi káiseh chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi m̄sī "ka̍k". Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū hósim. Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut Tâigí ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng poē. Lômájī ēng hō͘i koànsì! Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

Lán Tâigí chitmá iōngsim kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám hó? Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 …，而終 …。) khaisí a̍hkhì kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng Lômájī leh? Chi̍tgê ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ ê Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘. Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng nā sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē mā bôkhólêng. Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán thoa, m̄chai sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ kî.

Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ o̍h bô. Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh o̍h chiokchoē tang--ê. Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok hoaⁿhí ê tāichì. Chiū lán Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat ê mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan! Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ kakī kihoē toh oē-ēng--ê.

Chhoà Kimêng

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: Lim Jukhai
Date: 2008-06-05 12:53:41

"Liam-mih khau liam-mih chhio" e "liam-mih" "Li na an-ni, Liam-mih tioh hou keng-chhat liah khi" e liam-mih. Eng-kai si kong 'sometimes'. khai 2008/6/4 :

Taigubang 大家好

提供思考資料而已。

見附件：台語_念彌.jpg

說明：

念 -> 短時間

彌 -> 長時間

台語：念彌 -> 華語：可能短時間，也可能長時間。

           -> 華語：不能確定，但不會立即，也不會很久。

台語的「念彌」一詞，與「心中覺得要趕快之意」「無關」，

而是單純「對時間長短的判斷之詞」而已，

所以與「連鞭」搭不上邊！

台語實例：阿明念彌來 -> 華語：阿明不會立即也不會很久，會到達這兒。

說此話語者是否「急著希望」阿明要立刻到達呢？不知！

Best Regards

Truth Wang 王聖欣

2008/06/05

-----Original Message-----

From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of 巫義淵

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:30 AM

To: gugarn.giatou; Kiatgak Lau

Cc: Taigubang-02

Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

taike pengan

sou sia e "連鞭"kinku Kam Uilim jitian si sia  "臨邊" liam5pinn , chhiann

chhamkho

bugiian 2008.06.05

----- Original Message -----

From: "gugarn.giatou"

To: "Kiatgak Lau"

Cc: "Taigubang-02"

Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 6:09 PM

Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Lâu siàn,

Koh kóngchi̍tgê phínchit putliông ê lē:

Lán Tâioânōe "chin kín ê sîkan" ūlâng kóng Hànjī sī "連鞭".

Ai-ioh!  Chinchiàⁿ thak bōelo̍hkhì.

Siatsú chèngkhakê Rômájī sī "liap-nih".

Chhun ánne āutē kiáⁿsun khoàⁿtio̍h Hànjī "連鞭" boh chhōetńglâi

"liap-nih" to̍h chiâⁿpiàⁿē.  Thiaⁿtio̍h kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ēng

Rômájī siá khílâi sī "liam-piⁿ", "liam-mi̍h", … , boh

chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" ê kihōe sī khahtoā.  Tio̍h--bô?

Tngtangsî i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" ê sî, hoānsè hoaⁿhí kah

poa̍hpoa̍h--tó, inūi i 功在台語.  Sūsi̍tsiōng "chin kín ê sîkan"

lán

chitmá ê kónghoat siatsú chinchiàⁿ sī "liap-nih" ê impiàn, ánne i

siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" m̄to̍hsīteh 遺禍子孫? :p

Chhōe Hànjī chinchiàⁿ ài sīntiōng, mài biánkióng.  Ke khì mn̄g

chi̍tkoálâng chiah lo̍hpit.  Chhun: Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng.  M̄bat

Hànjī

ê Tâgúlâng.  Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān só͘chāi ê

Tâigúlâng.

Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng.  Mài kannā khoàⁿ kúipún

kó͘cháchheh to̍hlâi 閉門造車.  Nābô ōe kālângê kungoân lóng

chhòchhòtiāu.  Ánne sī teh tn̄g lângê kun, tn̄g lângê chúilō͘,

sī lēnggoā chi̍tchióng bia̍tlâng gúgiân, bûnhoà ê to̍kpō͘ neh.

Goá ài phínchit hó ê Tâigí Hànjī ê goânin tio̍hsī ánne niā.

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message -----

From: "Kiatgak Lau"

To: "gugarn.giatou"

Cc: "Taigubang-02"

Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:05 AM

Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê

Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê

mi̍hkiāⁿ"!

Chin chhimji̍p ê sukhó!  Chiâⁿ ta̍t tit chò Tâigúbûn ūntōng ê lâng

chhamkhó!

Kiatgak

2008-06-04

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:08 PM, gugarn.giatou

wrote:

Lâu siàn, Pêngan!

Goá khì chhītiûⁿ

khoàⁿtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ, khai tāmpo̍há chîⁿ kāi bóe lâi ēng,

chūánne sengoa̍h ūthangsîá ōe tè tit piànhoà, 多采多姿.

M̄koh khoàⁿtio̍h phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ, goá khólêng

chi̍tsián chîⁿ to bōechhutē.  Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê

Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê

mi̍hkiāⁿ"!

Koh khah tiōngiàuê sī, lán chiahnihá iōngsim kèkàu teh thoân

ê

Tâioânōe kóng sī ánne … , lóng bô lánê "lênghûn", kám

iâuū

thoân ê pitiàu?  為"誰"辛苦為"誰"忙?  Hianihákú to lóng bô

Hájī

kám ū

chha kah chitkúinî?  Hànjī bānbāná chhē, Lômájī toātoā

sak.

Tī lán téng chi̍tûn ê lâng lóng iâu chāisiⁿ ê sî to̍h lóng

hō͘

Lômájī phó͘phiànhoà kám m̄ hó?  Mài kóng pa̍thāng kannā

kóng

tī bûnim ham gúim ígoā koh chhòng chi̍ttui 破音字 kám hó?

Tn̄gtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ chho͘-khí-hông ōe hō͘ lâng kiaⁿhiâⁿ.  Lán

lóng bô hō͘i kah lán o̍h Tiongbûn siokâng ê sîkan kah kihōe.

Chitmá lán teh súiōng Lômájī nā bô lísióng ê piáuhiān sī

pitjiânē, engkaiē.  Lán ài goânliōng pa̍tlâng, mā ài

goânliōng

kakī ê chhiⁿso͘ bôse̍k, m̄thang chekpī kakī.  Choattùi ēng pí

o̍h Hànjī khahchió ê sînkan kah chengsîn lán to̍h o̍h ōehiáu

Tâigú Lômájī loh.  Goá púnlâng tùi Tâigú Lômájī

júlâijúse̍k

to̍hsi kàihó ê chi̍tgê lē!

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message -----

From: "Kiatgak Lau"

To: "gugarn.giatou"

Cc: "Taigubang-02"

Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:28 AM

Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ pêngan,

Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok

hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.

Chin chán ê koanliām, kóng liáu chiâⁿ hó. Ke o̍h 1 hāng mi̍hkiāⁿ, tō

ke 1 hāng soánte̍k, tō ke khah chūiû.

Chin chē chútiuⁿ ēng hànjī ê lâng, katī ê koanliām hō͘ hànjī pa̍ksí

koh m̄ chai. Beh ēng m̄ ēng LMJ sī koanliām (thàitō͘) ê būntê.

Kiatgak

2008-06-03

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, gugarn.giatou

wrote:

Kokūi hiaⁿ-ché,

Lômájī tah hit kúijī niā.

Goá sī Tâigílâng.  Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah o̍h

oēhiáu

chi̍tjī Lômájī niā.  Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h ta̍kjī

lóng

o̍h

oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k,

tiāⁿtiāⁿ

siá, chhun kāi liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì

niā.

Goá m̄sī Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná.  Nā ánne kannā o̍h

choân

Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô

thàulām--ê

kekhah kántan?

Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字

".

Chitjī Hànjī koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu mā

khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu khólêng ài siⁿchhut

chiokchoē

lán

chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê im.  Chi̍tjījī ū

chia̍hchoē

im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng "意象".  Sînkengkun ài chiok

toātiâu.

Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā.

Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang to̍h

kàoân,

to̍h oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô.  Kóng o̍hliáu Lômájī

liáuāu thiaukang kohchài lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá

gō͘choā

cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah,  ánne chiongkuibé sī

siáng(siáⁿ-lâng)

khah chânjím?

Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá

goânji

ê

chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām … lóng bôkhì loh!

Chesī

teh

kāng Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī

teh

chān lánê Tâigí.

Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh siongsìn?  Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh

lâi

hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h

khì

piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù.  "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng

"pùnsò

hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù.  "Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi

káiseh

chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak"

choattùi

m̄sī

"ka̍k".  Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó

àiū

hósim.

Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut

Tâigí

ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng poē.

Lômájī ēng hō͘i koànsì!  Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

Lán Tâigí chitmá iōngsim kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó

kiám

hó?  Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 …，而終 …。) khaisí

a̍hkhì

kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng Lômájī

leh?

Chi̍tgê ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī chi̍tchō phongphài,

chhiaiāⁿ

ê

Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘.  Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng nā

sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē

mā

bôkhólêng.  Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán thoa,

m̄chai

sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ kî.

Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ o̍h bô.  Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh o̍h

chiokchoē tang--ê.  Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng

chiok

hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.  Chiū lán Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng

Lômájī

chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat

ê

mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan!   Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘

kakī

kihoē toh oē-ēng--ê.

Chhoà Kimêng

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: Kiatgak Lau
Date: 2008-06-05 15:19:05

Phokgoan,

Kângkhoán neh… Goá tī hùtóng khǹg 1 tiuⁿ tô͘, hō͘ lí chhamkhó chi̍tē. Téngbīn sī líê phoe ê siáhoat, ēkha sī goá káikoè ê. Goa ti Ubuntu eng Firefox khoann Kimeng hiann e phoe long chengsiong, bo tekpiat siatteng jiheng.Chhiann mng li e khoankeng si…?Kiatgak 2008-06-05

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Phokgoân Chio̍h wrote:

Kimêng siansiⁿ,

Kângkhoán neh… Goá tī hùtóng khǹg 1 tiuⁿ tô͘, hō͘ lí chhamkhó chi̍tē. Téngbīn sī líê phoe ê siáhoat, ēkha sī goá káikoè ê.

Mā siūⁿbeh chhiáⁿmn̄g lí iōng siáⁿmih suji̍phoat leh :D

Phokgoan, La̍kgoe̍h c4, 2008

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:29 PM, gugarn.giatou wrote:

Chio̍h siàn,

Ti kehsek kāi káitńglâi sûnbûnjī khoàⁿ ōe mài koh chhuthiān lí kóngê cho͘ha̍pjī--bōe? Chhiáⁿ kohchài chítiám. Lóla̍t. Kakī 閉門造車 to̍hōe ū chitchióng kiatkó. Kámsiā lí lâi the̍hchhíⁿ hō͘goá ū káisiān ê kihōe. Mài koh chōsêng ta̍kke ê khùnjiáu. Mâhoân koh pang goá khoàⁿ ū káikoat--bô?

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message ----- From: Phokgoân Chio̍h To: Google TGB Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng siansiⁿ pêngan,

Goá ū kā che só͘ū ê thólūn loēiông lóng khǹg tī Tâigú Bāng Búlo̍k téngbīn.

http://taigubang.blogspot.com/2008/06/go-chiok-i-chh-kiho-thak-si-lmj.html

Pauhâm āupiah ta̍kke chiap lo̍hkhì ê thólūn, goá lóng khǹg tī chitphiⁿ bûnchiuⁿ ēkha ê "phênglūn" lāité.

Chū goá lâi chia, kap khì Hōlópedia (Tâibûn Pekkhochoânsu) khoàⁿtio̍h ta̍kke teh iōng Rômájī khaikáng, thólūn, kámkak chin kámtōng. Gíbûn to̍hsī khò ta̍kke ánne súiōng, chhòngchō, chiah thang kèsio̍k thoàⁿ lo̍hkhì.

M̄koh thiaⁿ chinchoē chiânpoē kóng chi̍tkoá kò͘sū, a̍hsī khoàⁿ chi̍tkoá chuliāu, kámkak sim chiok thiàⁿ -- Tâibûn ê bûnhiàn, siausit ê khólêng pí póliû lo̍hlâi ê kohkhah choē.

Ji̍tpún sîtāi ê chokphín, kap "Tâibûnlâng" ê ji̍tsiông kìsū, chhiúkó (Pílūn. [ Chhutsísoàⁿ ] Āuphiⁿ).

2007 Tī Ji̍tgoa̍tthâm, àmsîá thiaⁿ Henry Agiâu siansiⁿ kóngê, 1990 nîtāi bānglō͘ chho͘kî ê lūntoâⁿ kap thongsìn tīn. (Kūê Tâigú Bāng?) Chinchoē chuliāu lóng oânchoân siausit khì ah.

Iáukoh ū, lomaji.com mā tó ah… (Chuliāu m̄chaiiáⁿ kám ū lâu té? @.@")

Chóngsī, ū chinchoē íchá ê chuliāu, chitmá lóng íkeng chhoē boētio̍h ah. Siūⁿtio̍h sim lóng ē thiàⁿ.

Só͘í, chiah chin hoaⁿhí khoàⁿtio̍h lí goānì lâi tha̍k, siá Rômájī kap Tâigíbûn.

Mā ē hibāng, lán kináji̍t ê thólūn, chiaê bûnjī ētàng lâu lo̍hlâi. Lán chitmá chit tīn, chóngsī 1ê só khílâi ê thólūn tīn, só͘í goá chiah ē hibāng tī bānglō͘ téngbīn ke lâu kúi hūn-á.

A̍h tio̍hsī inūi ánne, chiah ē hibāng chhoē lâng chòhoé lâi Sukáipù khaikáng. Mā kā khaikáng lo̍k (chat log) lâu 1 hūn tī soàⁿténg. http://taigubang.blogspot.com/search/label/Lo%CC%8Dk

Goá ē kámkak to̍hsǹg sī ū chi̍ttiámá "bôliâu" ê oētê (thólūn tiāniáⁿ, iákiû… téngténg) mā ta̍ttit lâu lo̍hlâi. Chóngsī chitkoá "chitê sîtāi ê lâng" khaikáng ê kìlo̍k. Tio̍h chhinchhiūⁿ goá chitmá ē chin siūⁿbeh chhoē kó͘chálâng siá ê Rômájī ji̍tkì kângkhoán.

Suijiân chaiiáⁿ katī Tâibûn lêngle̍k bôhó, chóngsī, hibāng katī ētàng chīnliōng kā ta̍kke kóngê oē póliû lo̍hlâi, lâu hō͘ lánê kiáⁿsun.

Phokgoân, La̍kgoe̍h c4, 2008

(Chù: Kimêng siansiⁿ, kîsi̍t lí phahê jī ū chi̍ttiámá būntê -- Lí phah chhutlâi ê jī lóngsī cho͘ha̍p jī, pílūn "ê" lí phah chhutlâi lóngsī "e^", ánne kîsi̍t ē ū chi̍ttiámá loān. Jîchhiáⁿ kîsi̍t chiaê jī lóng ū ko͘chi̍t jī ê phahhoat. Só͘í goá tī Tâigú Bāng Búlo̍k téngbīn lóng kā lí kái hó ah. Hō͘ lí chhamkhó :))

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: Kiatgak Lau
Date: 2008-06-05 15:39:02

Kimêng hiaⁿ,Lí kóng--ê bô m̄-tio̍h.M̄-koh, ū 2 ê kipún koanliām ài têngchheng:(1) Gígiân boh ēng símmih bûnjī siá sī ētàng soánte̍k--ê. Hōlóoē ēng lômájī siá tō ūkàu a, bô tiāⁿtio̍h ài ēng hànjī.(2) Gígiân sī ē iánpiàn--ê, tó͘kiông boh chhoē "chinchiàⁿ", "goânpún" ê jīgoân, ìgī bô toā.Kín khì kā lí kóng--ê chiahê "Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng. M̄bat Hànjī

ê Tâgúlâng. Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān só͘chāi ê

Tâigúlâng. Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng." kóng ē oē ēng lômájī kìlio̍k--khílâi, chiah sī siāng iàukín--ê.Chhiáⁿ chhamkhó.Kiatgak 2008-06-05On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:09 PM, gugarn.giatou

wrote:

Lâu siàn,

Koh kóngchi̍tgê phínchit putliông ê lē: Lán Tâioânōe "chin kín ê sîkan" ūlâng kóng Hànjī sī "連鞭". Ai-ioh! Chinchiàⁿ thak bōelo̍hkhì. Siatsú chèngkhakê Rômájī sī "liap-nih". Chhun ánne āutē kiáⁿsun khoàⁿtio̍h Hànjī "連鞭" boh chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" to̍h chiâⁿpiàⁿē. Thiaⁿtio̍h kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ēng Rômájī siá khílâi sī "liam-piⁿ", "liam-mi̍h", … , boh chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" ê kihōe sī khahtoā. Tio̍h--bô? Tngtangsî i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" ê sî, hoānsè hoaⁿhí kah poa̍hpoa̍h--tó, inūi i 功在台語. Sūsi̍tsiōng "chin kín ê sîkan" lán chitmá ê kónghoat siatsú chinchiàⁿ sī "liap-nih" ê impiàn, ánne i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" m̄to̍hsīteh 遺禍子孫? :p

Chhōe Hànjī chinchiàⁿ ài sīntiōng, mài biánkióng. Ke khì mn̄g chi̍tkoálâng chiah lo̍hpit. Chhun: Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng. M̄bat Hànjī ê Tâgúlâng. Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān só͘chāi ê Tâigúlâng. Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng. Mài kannā khoàⁿ kúipún kó͘cháchheh to̍hlâi 閉門造車. Nābô ōe kālângê kungoân lóng chhòchhòtiāu. Ánne sī teh tn̄g lângê kun, tn̄g lângê chúilō͘, sī lēnggoā chi̍tchióng bia̍tlâng gúgiân, bûnhoà ê to̍kpō͘ neh. Goá ài phínchit hó ê Tâigí Hànjī ê goânin tio̍hsī ánne niā.

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kiatgak Lau" To: "gugarn.giatou" Cc: "Taigubang-02" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:05 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"!

Chin chhimji̍p ê sukhó! Chiâⁿ ta̍t tit chò Tâigúbûn ūntōng ê lâng chhamkhó!

Kiatgak 2008-06-04

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:08 PM, gugarn.giatou wrote:

Lâu siàn, Pêngan!

Goá khì chhītiûⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ, khai tāmpo̍há chîⁿ kāi bóe lâi ēng, chūánne sengoa̍h ūthangsîá ōe tè tit piànhoà, 多采多姿. M̄koh khoàⁿtio̍h phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ, goá khólêng chi̍tsián chîⁿ to bōechhutē. Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"! Koh khah tiōngiàuê sī, lán chiahnihá iōngsim kèkàu teh thoân ê Tâioânōe kóng sī ánne … , lóng bô lánê "lênghûn", kám iâuū thoân ê pitiàu? 為"誰"辛苦為"誰"忙? Hianihákú to lóng bô Hájī kám ū chha kah chitkúinî? Hànjī bānbāná chhē, Lômájī toātoā sak. Tī lán téng chi̍tûn ê lâng lóng iâu chāisiⁿ ê sî to̍h lóng hō͘ Lômájī phó͘phiànhoà kám m̄ hó? Mài kóng pa̍thāng kannā kóng tī bûnim ham gúim ígoā koh chhòng chi̍ttui 破音字 kám hó? Tn̄gtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ chho͘-khí-hông ōe hō͘ lâng kiaⁿhiâⁿ. Lán lóng bô hō͘i kah lán o̍h Tiongbûn siokâng ê sîkan kah kihōe. Chitmá lán teh súiōng Lômájī nā bô lísióng ê piáuhiān sī pitjiânē, engkaiē. Lán ài goânliōng pa̍tlâng, mā ài goânliōng kakī ê chhiⁿso͘ bôse̍k, m̄thang chekpī kakī. Choattùi ēng pí o̍h Hànjī khahchió ê sînkan kah chengsîn lán to̍h o̍h ōehiáu Tâigú Lômájī loh. Goá púnlâng tùi Tâigú Lômájī júlâijúse̍k to̍hsi kàihó ê chi̍tgê lē!

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kiatgak Lau" To: "gugarn.giatou" Cc: "Taigubang-02" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ pêngan,

Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.

Chin chán ê koanliām, kóng liáu chiâⁿ hó. Ke o̍h 1 hāng mi̍hkiāⁿ, tō ke 1 hāng soánte̍k, tō ke khah chūiû.

Chin chē chútiuⁿ ēng hànjī ê lâng, katī ê koanliām hō͘ hànjī pa̍ksí koh m̄ chai. Beh ēng m̄ ēng LMJ sī koanliām (thàitō͘) ê būntê.

Kiatgak 2008-06-03

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, gugarn.giatou wrote:

Kokūi hiaⁿ-ché,

Lômájī tah hit kúijī niā.

Goá sī Tâigílâng. Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah o̍h oēhiáu chi̍tjī Lômájī niā. Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h ta̍kjī lóng o̍h oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ siá, chhun kāi liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì niā.

Goá m̄sī Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná. Nā ánne kannā o̍h choân Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô thàulām--ê kekhah kántan? Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字". Chitjī Hànjī koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu mā khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē lán chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê im. Chi̍tjījī ū chia̍hchoē im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng "意象". Sînkengkun ài chiok toātiâu. Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā. Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang to̍h kàoân, to̍h oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô. Kóng o̍hliáu Lômájī liáuāu thiaukang kohchài lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá gō͘choā cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah, ánne chiongkuibé sī siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) khah chânjím?

Hànjī bānbāná chhoē! M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji ê chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām … lóng bôkhì loh! Chesī teh kāng Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī teh chān lánê Tâigí. Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh siongsìn? Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh lâi hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h khì piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng "pùnsò hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù. "Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi káiseh chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi m̄sī "ka̍k". Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū hósim. Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut Tâigí ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng poē. Lômájī ēng hō͘i koànsì! Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

Lán Tâigí chitmá iōngsim kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám hó? Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 …，而終 …。) khaisí a̍hkhì kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng Lômájī leh? Chi̍tgê ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ ê Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘. Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng nā sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē mā bôkhólêng. Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán thoa, m̄chai sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ kî.

Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ o̍h bô. Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh o̍h chiokchoē tang--ê. Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok hoaⁿhí ê tāichì. Chiū lán Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat ê mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan! Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ kakī kihoē toh oē-ēng--ê.

Chhoà Kimêng

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: gugarn.giatou
Date: 2008-06-05 17:53:40

Bû lāusu, Ông lāusi, Lîm lāusu, Ta̍kkehó.

 

Kámsiā!  Tāikhaigánkài!  Goá kinlíno̍h.

Chia sī chi̍tgê hósó͘chāi, ài ke pò lâng chai!

 

Lóla̍t!

 

Chhoà Kimêng

 

ps. 巫 Kam jītián sī kong tē-5-siaⁿ.  Goá tī Thâmchú tn̄gtio̍h hitūi siansiⁿ sī kóng "Bū".  Goá nā kālí kóng m̄tio̍h ài kānggoá chítō, mài kiànkoài.

----- Original Message -----

From: Lim Jukhai

To:

Cc: 巫義淵 ; gugarn.giatou ; Kiatgak Lau ; Taigubang-02

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:53 PM

Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

"Liam-mih khau liam-mih chhio" e "liam-mih" "Li na an-ni, Liam-mih tioh hou keng-chhat liah khi" e liam-mih. Eng-kai si kong 'sometimes'. khai

2008/6/4 :

Taigubang 大家好

提供思考資料而已。

見附件：台語_念彌.jpg

說明： 念 -> 短時間 彌 -> 長時間 台語：念彌 -> 華語：可能短時間，也可能長時間。            -> 華語：不能確定，但不會立即，也不會很久。

台語的「念彌」一詞，與「心中覺得要趕快之意」「無關」， 而是單純「對時間長短的判斷之詞」而已， 所以與「連鞭」搭不上邊！

台語實例：阿明念彌來 -> 華語：阿明不會立即也不會很久，會到達這兒。 說此話語者是否「急著希望」阿明要立刻到達呢？不知！

Best Regards

Truth Wang 王聖欣

2008/06/05

-----Original Message-----

From:  [mailto:] On Behalf 
Of 巫義淵 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:30 AM To: gugarn.giatou; 
Kiatgak Lau Cc: Taigubang-02 Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe 
ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

taike pengan

sou sia e "連鞭"kinku Kam Uilim jitian si sia  "臨邊" liam5pinn , chhiann chhamkho

bugiian 2008.06.05 ----- Original Message ----- From: "gugarn.giatou" To: "Kiatgak Lau" Cc: "Taigubang-02" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 6:09 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Lâu siàn,

Koh kóngchi̍tgê phínchit putliông ê lē: Lán Tâioânōe "chin kín ê sîkan" ūlâng kóng Hànjī sī "連鞭". Ai-ioh!  Chinchiàⁿ thak bōelo̍hkhì. Siatsú chèngkhakê Rômájī sī "liap-nih". Chhun ánne āutē kiáⁿsun khoàⁿtio̍h Hànjī "連鞭" boh chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" to̍h chiâⁿpiàⁿē.  Thiaⁿtio̍h kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ēng Rômájī siá khílâi sī "liam-piⁿ", "liam-mi̍h", … , boh chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" ê kihōe sī khahtoā.  Tio̍h--bô? Tngtangsî i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" ê sî, hoānsè hoaⁿhí kah poa̍hpoa̍h--tó, inūi i 功在台語.  Sūsi̍tsiōng "chin kín ê sîkan" lán chitmá ê kónghoat siatsú chinchiàⁿ sī "liap-nih" ê impiàn, ánne i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" m̄to̍hsīteh 遺禍子孫? :p

Chhōe Hànjī chinchiàⁿ ài sīntiōng, mài biánkióng.  Ke khì mn̄g

chi̍tkoálâng chiah lo̍hpit.  Chhun: Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng. 
 M̄bat Hànjī ê Tâgúlâng.  Toà tī kauthong bô 
hongpiān só͘chāi ê Tâigúlâng. Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê 
Tâigúlâng.  Mài kannā khoàⁿ kúipún kó͘cháchheh 
to̍hlâi 閉門造車.  Nābô ōe kālângê kungoân lóng

chhòchhòtiāu.  Ánne sī teh tn̄g lângê kun, tn̄g lângê 
chúilō͘, sī lēnggoā chi̍tchióng bia̍tlâng gúgiân, bûnhoà 
ê to̍kpō͘ neh. Goá ài phínchit hó ê Tâigí Hànjī ê 
goânin tio̍hsī ánne niā.

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message -----

From: "Kiatgak Lau"  To: 
"gugarn.giatou" 

Cc: "Taigubang-02" 

Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:05 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa 
chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"!

Chin chhimji̍p ê sukhó!  Chiâⁿ ta̍t tit chò Tâigúbûn ūntōng ê lâng

chhamkhó!

Kiatgak 2008-06-04

> > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:08 PM, 
gugarn.giatou >  
wrote: >> Lâu siàn, Pêngan! >>

>> Goá khì chhītiûⁿ >> khoàⁿtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ, 
khai tāmpo̍há chîⁿ kāi bóe lâi ēng, >> chūánne 
sengoa̍h ūthangsîá ōe tè tit piànhoà, 多采多姿. >> M̄koh 
khoàⁿtio̍h phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ, goá khólêng

>> chi̍tsián chîⁿ to bōechhutē.  Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú 
kungoân ê >> Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī 
"phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"! >> Koh khah 
tiōngiàuê sī, lán chiahnihá iōngsim kèkàu teh thoân ê

>> Tâioânōe kóng sī ánne ... , lóng bô lánê "lênghûn", 
kám >> iâuū >> thoân ê pitiàu? 
 為"誰"辛苦為"誰"忙?  Hianihákú to lóng bô Hájī >> 
kám ū >> chha kah chitkúinî?  Hànjī bānbāná 
chhē, Lômájī toātoā sak. >> Tī lán téng chi̍tûn 
ê lâng lóng iâu chāisiⁿ ê sî to̍h lóng >> hō͘

>> Lômájī phó͘phiànhoà kám m̄ hó?  Mài kóng pa̍thāng 
kannā kóng >> tī bûnim ham gúim ígoā koh chhòng 
chi̍ttui 破音字 kám hó? >> Tn̄gtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ 
chho͘-khí-hông ōe hō͘ lâng kiaⁿhiâⁿ.  Lán >> lóng 
bô hō͘i kah lán o̍h Tiongbûn siokâng ê sîkan kah kihōe.

>> Chitmá lán teh súiōng Lômájī nā bô lísióng ê piáuhiān 
sī >> pitjiânē, engkaiē.  Lán ài goânliōng 
pa̍tlâng, mā ài >> goânliōng >> kakī ê 
chhiⁿso͘ bôse̍k, m̄thang chekpī kakī.  Choattùi ēng pí

>> o̍h Hànjī khahchió ê sînkan kah chengsîn lán to̍h o̍h 
ōehiáu >> Tâigú Lômájī loh.  Goá púnlâng tùi 
Tâigú Lômájī >> júlâijúse̍k >> to̍hsi 
kàihó ê chi̍tgê lē! >> >> Chhoà 
Kimêng >> >> ----- Original Message 
----- >> From: "Kiatgak Lau"  >> 
To: "gugarn.giatou" 

>> Cc: "Taigubang-02" 

>> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:28 AM >> Subject: 
[tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji. >>> 
Kimêng hiaⁿ pêngan, >>> >>>> Sin o̍h 
chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok >>>> hoaⁿhí 
ê tāichì. >>> >>> Chin chán ê koanliām, 
kóng liáu chiâⁿ hó. Ke o̍h 1 hāng mi̍hkiāⁿ, tō >>> ke 1 
hāng soánte̍k, tō ke khah chūiû. >>> >>> 
Chin chē chútiuⁿ ēng hànjī ê lâng, katī ê koanliām hō͘ hànjī pa̍ksí

>>> koh m̄ chai. Beh ēng m̄ ēng LMJ sī koanliām (thàitō͘) ê 
būntê. >>> >>> Kiatgak

>>> 2008-06-03 >>> >>> On Sun, 
May 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, gugarn.giatou >>>  
wrote: >>>> Kokūi hiaⁿ-ché,

>>>> >>>> Lômájī tah hit kúijī 
niā. >>>> >>>> Goá sī 
Tâigílâng.  Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah o̍h

>>>> oēhiáu >>>> chi̍tjī Lômájī niā. 
 Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h ta̍kjī >>>> 
lóng >>>> o̍h >>>> oēhiáu loh, 
lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ

>>>> siá, chhun kāi liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê 
tāichì niā. >>>> >>>> Goá 
m̄sī Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná.  Nā ánne kannā 
o̍h choân >>>> Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân 
Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô >>>> thàulām--ê

>>>> kekhah kántan? >>>> Chi̍tjī Hànjī 
tī Tiongbûn ū púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字 ".

>>>> Chitjī Hànjī koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim 
liáuāu mā >>>> khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu 
khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē >>>> lán

>>>> chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê im. 
 Chi̍tjījī ū >>>> chia̍hchoē

>>>> im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng "意象".  Sînkengkun 
ài chiok >>>> toātiâu. >>>> 
Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā.

>>>> Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī 
kùikang to̍h >>>> kàoân, >>>> 
to̍h oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô.  Kóng o̍hliáu 
Lômájī >>>> liáuāu thiaukang kohchài lia̍hin lâi 
chi̍tjī Hànjī siá >>>> gō͘choā

>>>> cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah,  ánne chiongkuibé 
sī >>>> siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) >>>> 
khah chânjím? >>>> >>>> Hànjī 
bānbāná chhoē! >>>> M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá 
Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji >>>> 
ê >>>> chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām ... 
lóng bôkhì loh! >>>> Chesī >>>> 
teh >>>> kāng Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, sī 
teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī >>>> teh >>>> 
chān lánê Tâigí. >>>> Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh 
siongsìn?  Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh lâi >>>> 
hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī 
the̍h khì >>>> piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê 
ìsù.  "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng >>>> 
"pùnsò >>>> hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù.  "Kak" 
ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi >>>> káiseh

>>>> chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē chiapsiū, m̄koh 
"kak" choattùi >>>> m̄sī >>>> 
"ka̍k".  Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā 
kàihó àiū >>>> hósim. >>>> 
Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut

>>>> Tâigí >>>> ê lâng sī pí hia siá 
ê lâng gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng poē. >>>> 
Lômájī ēng hō͘i koànsì!  Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

>>>> >>>> Lán Tâigí chitmá iōngsim 
kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám >>>> hó? 
 Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 ...，而終 ...。) khaisí a̍hkhì

>>>> kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng 
Lômájī >>>> leh? >>>> Chi̍tgê 
ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ

>>>> ê >>>> Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘. 
 Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng nā >>>> sí-oân, 
lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē mā

>>>> bôkhólêng.  Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh 
kāng lán thoa, >>>> m̄chai >>>> 
sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ kî. >>>>

>>>> Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ o̍h bô.  Toātoāsoèsoè 
ittēng àikoh o̍h >>>> chiokchoē tang--ê.  Sin 
o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng >>>> 
chiok >>>> hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.  Chiū lán 
Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī >>>> chísī 
chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat ê

>>>> mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan!   Chíiāu lí ài 
hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ >>>> kakī >>>> 
kihoē toh oē-ēng--ê. >>>> >>>> 
Chhoà Kimêng >>>> >

>>>> >>> >>> >>

>>> > > >

>

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: gugarn.giatou
Date: 2008-06-05 17:54:02

Chio̍h siàn,Siôngsè khoàⁿkoè líê phoe kah hùtòng ah. Chiàulí ài seng kālí hê chiah tio̍h. Inūi Lâu-siàn ê phoe hùpún ū hō͘ lí, só͘í goá chiap lo̍h siá tiàm chia, khah bôlé m̄koh khah séngsū, chhiáⁿlí mài kèkàu. :)Goá sī bōehiáu thìthâu tn̄gtio̍h hô͘chiuê. Tiānnáu kanghu iâu teh o̍h. Kántan nn̄gpo͘ khólêng phiàn lâng oē koè, koh mn̄glo̍h goá to̍h sígiāngiān loh. Chithāng tāichì, tah goá chitmá m̄to̍h seng kin lín nn̄ggê o̍h, chiah koh kóng? :pGíná ū lâu nn̄gchiah kū tiānnáu lo̍hlâi, kîtiong chi̍tchiah goá mā ū koàn Ubuntu. Tn̄gtio̍h chiokchōe siattēngê būntoê. Lēnggoā chi̍tchiah khǹg teh eng-ia̍h. :p

Chhoà Kimêng----- Original Message ----- From: "Kiatgak Lau" To: "Phokgoân Chio̍h" Cc: "gugarn. giatou" ; "Google TGB"

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 3:19 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Phokgoan,

Kângkhoán neh… Goá tī hùtóng khǹg 1 tiuⁿ tô͘, hō͘ lí chhamkhó chi̍tē. Téngbīn sī líê phoe ê siáhoat, ēkha sī goá káikoè ê.

Goa ti Ubuntu eng Firefox khoann Kimeng hiann e phoe long chengsiong, bo tekpiat siatteng jiheng.

Chhiann mng li e khoankeng si…?

Kiatgak 2008-06-05

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Phokgoân Chio̍h wrote:

Kimêng siansiⁿ,

Kângkhoán neh… Goá tī hùtóng khǹg 1 tiuⁿ tô͘, hō͘ lí chhamkhó chi̍tē. Téngbīn sī líê phoe ê siáhoat, ēkha sī goá káikoè ê.

Mā siūⁿbeh chhiáⁿmn̄g lí iōng siáⁿmih suji̍phoat leh :D

Phokgoan, La̍kgoe̍h c4, 2008

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:29 PM, gugarn.giatou

wrote:

Chio̍h siàn,

Ti kehsek kāi káitńglâi sûnbûnjī khoàⁿ ōe mài koh chhuthiān lí kóngê cho͘ha̍pjī--bōe? Chhiáⁿ kohchài chítiám. Lóla̍t. Kakī 閉門造車 to̍hōe ū chitchióng kiatkó. Kámsiā lí lâi the̍hchhíⁿ hō͘goá ū káisiān ê kihōe. Mài koh chōsêng ta̍kke ê khùnjiáu. Mâhoân koh pang goá khoàⁿ ū káikoat--bô?

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message ----- From: Phokgoân Chio̍h To: Google TGB Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng siansiⁿ pêngan,

Goá ū kā che só͘ū ê thólūn loēiông lóng khǹg tī Tâigú Bāng Búlo̍k téngbīn.

http://taigubang.blogspot.com/2008/06/go-chiok-i-chh-kiho-thak-si-lmj.html

Pauhâm āupiah ta̍kke chiap lo̍hkhì ê thólūn, goá lóng khǹg tī chitphiⁿ bûnchiuⁿ ēkha ê "phênglūn" lāité.

Chū goá lâi chia, kap khì Hōlópedia (Tâibûn Pekkhochoânsu) khoàⁿtio̍h ta̍kke teh iōng Rômájī khaikáng, thólūn, kámkak chin kámtōng. Gíbûn to̍hsī khò ta̍kke ánne súiōng, chhòngchō, chiah thang kèsio̍k thoàⁿ lo̍hkhì.

M̄koh thiaⁿ chinchoē chiânpoē kóng chi̍tkoá kò͘sū, a̍hsī khoàⁿ chi̍tkoá chuliāu, kámkak sim chiok thiàⁿ -- Tâibûn ê bûnhiàn, siausit ê khólêng pí póliû lo̍hlâi ê kohkhah choē.

Ji̍tpún sîtāi ê chokphín, kap "Tâibûnlâng" ê ji̍tsiông kìsū, chhiúkó (Pílūn. [ Chhutsísoàⁿ ] Āuphiⁿ).

2007 Tī Ji̍tgoa̍tthâm, àmsîá thiaⁿ Henry Agiâu siansiⁿ kóngê, 1990 nîtāi bānglō͘ chho͘kî ê lūntoâⁿ kap thongsìn tīn. (Kūê Tâigú Bāng?) Chinchoē chuliāu lóng oânchoân siausit khì ah.

Iáukoh ū, lomaji.com mā tó ah… (Chuliāu m̄chaiiáⁿ kám ū lâu té? @.@")

Chóngsī, ū chinchoē íchá ê chuliāu, chitmá lóng íkeng chhoē boētio̍h ah. Siūⁿtio̍h sim lóng ē thiàⁿ.

Só͘í, chiah chin hoaⁿhí khoàⁿtio̍h lí goānì lâi tha̍k, siá Rômájī kap Tâigíbûn.

Mā ē hibāng, lán kináji̍t ê thólūn, chiaê bûnjī ētàng lâu lo̍hlâi. Lán chitmá chit tīn, chóngsī 1ê só khílâi ê thólūn tīn, só͘í goá chiah ē hibāng tī bānglō͘ téngbīn ke lâu kúi hūn-á.

A̍h tio̍hsī inūi ánne, chiah ē hibāng chhoē lâng chòhoé lâi Sukáipù khaikáng. Mā kā khaikáng lo̍k (chat log) lâu 1 hūn tī soàⁿténg. http://taigubang.blogspot.com/search/label/Lo%CC%8Dk

Goá ē kámkak to̍hsǹg sī ū chi̍ttiámá "bôliâu" ê oētê (thólūn tiāniáⁿ, iákiû… téngténg) mā ta̍ttit lâu lo̍hlâi. Chóngsī chitkoá "chitê sîtāi ê lâng" khaikáng ê kìlo̍k. Tio̍h chhinchhiūⁿ goá chitmá ē chin siūⁿbeh chhoē kó͘chálâng siá ê Rômájī ji̍tkì kângkhoán.

Suijiân chaiiáⁿ katī Tâibûn lêngle̍k bôhó, chóngsī, hibāng katī ētàng chīnliōng kā ta̍kke kóngê oē póliû lo̍hlâi, lâu hō͘ lánê kiáⁿsun.

Phokgoân, La̍kgoe̍h c4, 2008

(Chù: Kimêng siansiⁿ, kîsi̍t lí phahê jī ū chi̍ttiámá būntê -- Lí phah chhutlâi ê jī lóngsī cho͘ha̍p jī, pílūn "ê" lí phah chhutlâi lóngsī "e^", ánne kîsi̍t ē ū chi̍ttiámá loān. Jîchhiáⁿ kîsi̍t chiaê jī lóng ū ko͘chi̍t jī ê phahhoat. Só͘í goá tī Tâigú Bāng Búlo̍k téngbīn lóng kā lí kái hó ah. Hō͘ lí chhamkhó :))

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: gugarn.giatou
Date: 2008-06-05 17:54:08

Chán!Líê oē to̍hsī "siāntìsek". Oē hō͘lâng kekkuikiû ê simkoaⁿthâu chiâu soàⁿkhì.Lóla̍t.

Chhoà Kimêng----- Original Message ----- From: "Kiatgak Lau" To: "gugarn.giatou" Cc: "Taigubang-02" Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 3:39 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Lí kóng--ê bô m̄-tio̍h.

M̄-koh, ū 2 ê kipún koanliām ài têngchheng:

(1) Gígiân boh ēng símmih bûnjī siá sī ētàng soánte̍k--ê. Hōlóoē ēng lômájī siá tō ūkàu a, bô tiāⁿtio̍h ài ēng hànjī.

(2) Gígiân sī ē iánpiàn--ê, tó͘kiông boh chhoē "chinchiàⁿ", "goânpún" ê jīgoân, ìgī bô toā.

Kín khì kā lí kóng--ê chiahê "Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng. M̄bat Hànjī ê Tâgúlâng. Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān só͘chāi ê Tâigúlâng. Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng." kóng ē oē ēng lômájī kìlio̍k--khílâi, chiah sī siāng iàukín--ê.

Chhiáⁿ chhamkhó.

Kiatgak 2008-06-05

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:09 PM, gugarn.giatou wrote:

Lâu siàn,

Koh kóngchi̍tgê phínchit putliông ê lē: Lán Tâioânōe "chin kín ê sîkan" ūlâng kóng Hànjī sī "連鞭". Ai-ioh! Chinchiàⁿ thak bōelo̍hkhì. Siatsú chèngkhakê Rômájī sī "liap-nih". Chhun ánne āutē kiáⁿsun khoàⁿtio̍h Hànjī "連鞭" boh chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" to̍h chiâⁿpiàⁿē. Thiaⁿtio̍h kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ēng Rômájī siá khílâi sī "liam-piⁿ", "liam-mi̍h", … , boh chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" ê kihōe sī khahtoā. Tio̍h--bô? Tngtangsî i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" ê sî, hoānsè hoaⁿhí kah poa̍hpoa̍h--tó, inūi i 功在台語. Sūsi̍tsiōng "chin kín ê sîkan" lán chitmá ê kónghoat siatsú chinchiàⁿ sī "liap-nih" ê impiàn, ánne i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" m̄to̍hsīteh 遺禍子孫? :p

Chhōe Hànjī chinchiàⁿ ài sīntiōng, mài biánkióng. Ke khì mn̄g chi̍tkoálâng chiah lo̍hpit. Chhun: Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng. M̄bat Hànjī ê Tâgúlâng. Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān só͘chāi ê Tâigúlâng. Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng. Mài kannā khoàⁿ kúipún kó͘cháchheh to̍hlâi 閉門造車. Nābô ōe kālângê kungoân lóng chhòchhòtiāu. Ánne sī teh tn̄g lângê kun, tn̄g lângê chúilō͘, sī lēnggoā chi̍tchióng bia̍tlâng gúgiân, bûnhoà ê to̍kpō͘ neh. Goá ài phínchit hó ê Tâigí Hànjī ê goânin tio̍hsī ánne niā.

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kiatgak Lau" To: "gugarn.giatou" Cc: "Taigubang-02" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:05 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"!

Chin chhimji̍p ê sukhó! Chiâⁿ ta̍t tit chò Tâigúbûn ūntōng ê lâng chhamkhó!

Kiatgak 2008-06-04

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:08 PM, gugarn.giatou wrote:

Lâu siàn, Pêngan!

Goá khì chhītiûⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ, khai tāmpo̍há chîⁿ kāi bóe lâi ēng, chūánne sengoa̍h ūthangsîá ōe tè tit piànhoà, 多采多姿. M̄koh khoàⁿtio̍h phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ, goá khólêng chi̍tsián chîⁿ to bōechhutē. Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"! Koh khah tiōngiàuê sī, lán chiahnihá iōngsim kèkàu teh thoân ê Tâioânōe kóng sī ánne … , lóng bô lánê "lênghûn", kám iâuū thoân ê pitiàu? 為"誰"辛苦為"誰"忙? Hianihákú to lóng bô Hájī kám ū chha kah chitkúinî? Hànjī bānbāná chhē, Lômájī toātoā sak. Tī lán téng chi̍tûn ê lâng lóng iâu chāisiⁿ ê sî to̍h lóng hō͘ Lômájī phó͘phiànhoà kám m̄ hó? Mài kóng pa̍thāng kannā kóng tī bûnim ham gúim ígoā koh chhòng chi̍ttui 破音字 kám hó? Tn̄gtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ chho͘-khí-hông ōe hō͘ lâng kiaⁿhiâⁿ. Lán lóng bô hō͘i kah lán o̍h Tiongbûn siokâng ê sîkan kah kihōe. Chitmá lán teh súiōng Lômájī nā bô lísióng ê piáuhiān sī pitjiânē, engkaiē. Lán ài goânliōng pa̍tlâng, mā ài goânliōng kakī ê chhiⁿso͘ bôse̍k, m̄thang chekpī kakī. Choattùi ēng pí o̍h Hànjī khahchió ê sînkan kah chengsîn lán to̍h o̍h ōehiáu Tâigú Lômájī loh. Goá púnlâng tùi Tâigú Lômájī júlâijúse̍k to̍hsi kàihó ê chi̍tgê lē!

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kiatgak Lau" To: "gugarn.giatou" Cc: "Taigubang-02" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ pêngan,

Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.

Chin chán ê koanliām, kóng liáu chiâⁿ hó. Ke o̍h 1 hāng mi̍hkiāⁿ, tō ke 1 hāng soánte̍k, tō ke khah chūiû.

Chin chē chútiuⁿ ēng hànjī ê lâng, katī ê koanliām hō͘ hànjī pa̍ksí koh m̄ chai. Beh ēng m̄ ēng LMJ sī koanliām (thàitō͘) ê būntê.

Kiatgak 2008-06-03

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, gugarn.giatou wrote:

Kokūi hiaⁿ-ché,

Lômájī tah hit kúijī niā.

Goá sī Tâigílâng. Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah o̍h oēhiáu chi̍tjī Lômájī niā. Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h ta̍kjī lóng o̍h oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ siá, chhun kāi liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì niā.

Goá m̄sī Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná. Nā ánne kannā o̍h choân Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô thàulām--ê kekhah kántan? Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字". Chitjī Hànjī koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu mā khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē lán chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê im. Chi̍tjījī ū chia̍hchoē im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng "意象". Sînkengkun ài chiok toātiâu. Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā. Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang to̍h kàoân, to̍h oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô. Kóng o̍hliáu Lômájī liáuāu thiaukang kohchài lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá gō͘choā cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah, ánne chiongkuibé sī siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) khah chânjím?

Hànjī bānbāná chhoē! M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji ê chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām … lóng bôkhì loh! Chesī teh kāng Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī teh chān lánê Tâigí. Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh siongsìn? Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh lâi hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h khì piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng "pùnsò hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù. "Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi káiseh chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi m̄sī "ka̍k". Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū hósim. Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut Tâigí ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng poē. Lômájī ēng hō͘i koànsì! Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

Lán Tâigí chitmá iōngsim kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám hó? Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 …，而終 …。) khaisí a̍hkhì kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng Lômájī leh? Chi̍tgê ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ ê Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘. Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng nā sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē mā bôkhólêng. Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán thoa, m̄chai sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ kî.

Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ o̍h bô. Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh o̍h chiokchoē tang--ê. Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok hoaⁿhí ê tāichì. Chiū lán Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat ê mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan! Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ kakī kihoē toh oē-ēng--ê.

Chhoà Kimêng

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: Lau Seng-hian
Date: 2008-06-05 18:32:05

Tsiàu án-ne lâi siūⁿ, Ji̍t-pún hàn-jī tō sī phín-tsit tsin bái, tsin put-liông??? Ji̍t-bûn hàn-jī tuā-pō͘-hūn lóng sī tshú hùn-iōng-jī, bô kuán sû-guân, mā bô tsiok tsiàu Tiong-kok hàn-jī ê jī-ì.

Koh ū, Ing-kok, Huat-kok, Sūi-tián in teh īng lô-má-jī, mā kāng-khuán tsin put-liông, in-uī he lô-má-jī ê īng-huat, bô tsun-thàn huat-bîng lô-má-jī ê Phoenicia "guân-té" ê sú-iōng, mā bô tsiâu thàn Hi-lia̍p iah-tsiá-sī Ló-má

ê huat-tō͘….Tsin put-liông…..

2008/6/5 Kiatgak Lau :

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Lí kóng--ê bô m̄-tio̍h.

M̄-koh, ū 2 ê kipún koanliām ài têngchheng:

(1) Gígiân boh ēng símmih bûnjī siá sī ētàng soánte̍k--ê.  Hōlóoē ēng

lômájī siá tō ūkàu a, bô tiāⁿtio̍h ài ēng hànjī.

(2) Gígiân sī ē iánpiàn--ê, tó͘kiông boh chhoē "chinchiàⁿ", "goânpún"

ê jīgoân, ìgī bô toā.

Kín khì kā lí kóng--ê chiahê "Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng.  M̄bat Hànjī

ê Tâgúlâng.  Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān só͘chāi ê

Tâigúlâng. Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng." kóng ē oē ēng

lômájī kìlio̍k--khílâi, chiah sī siāng iàukín--ê.

Chhiáⁿ chhamkhó.

Kiatgak

2008-06-05

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:09 PM, gugarn.giatou

wrote:

Lâu siàn,

Koh kóngchi̍tgê phínchit putliông ê lē:

Lán Tâioânōe "chin kín ê sîkan" ūlâng kóng Hànjī sī "連鞭".

Ai-ioh!  Chinchiàⁿ thak bōelo̍hkhì.

Siatsú chèngkhakê Rômájī sī "liap-nih".

Chhun ánne āutē kiáⁿsun khoàⁿtio̍h Hànjī "連鞭" boh chhōetńglâi

"liap-nih" to̍h chiâⁿpiàⁿē.  Thiaⁿtio̍h kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ēng

Rômájī siá khílâi sī "liam-piⁿ", "liam-mi̍h", … , boh

chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" ê kihōe sī khahtoā.  Tio̍h--bô?

Tngtangsî i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" ê sî, hoānsè hoaⁿhí kah

poa̍hpoa̍h--tó, inūi i 功在台語.  Sūsi̍tsiōng "chin kín ê sîkan" lán

chitmá ê kónghoat siatsú chinchiàⁿ sī "liap-nih" ê impiàn, ánne i

siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" m̄to̍hsīteh 遺禍子孫? :p

Chhōe Hànjī chinchiàⁿ ài sīntiōng, mài biánkióng.  Ke khì mn̄g

chi̍tkoálâng chiah lo̍hpit.  Chhun: Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng.  M̄bat Hànjī

ê Tâgúlâng.  Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān só͘chāi ê Tâigúlâng.

Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng.  Mài kannā khoàⁿ kúipún

kó͘cháchheh to̍hlâi 閉門造車.  Nābô ōe kālângê kungoân lóng

chhòchhòtiāu.  Ánne sī teh tn̄g lângê kun, tn̄g lângê chúilō͘,

sī lēnggoā chi̍tchióng bia̍tlâng gúgiân, bûnhoà ê to̍kpō͘ neh.

Goá ài phínchit hó ê Tâigí Hànjī ê goânin tio̍hsī ánne niā.

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message -----

From: "Kiatgak Lau"

To: "gugarn.giatou"

Cc: "Taigubang-02"

Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:05 AM

Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê

Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"!

Chin chhimji̍p ê sukhó!  Chiâⁿ ta̍t tit chò Tâigúbûn ūntōng ê lâng

chhamkhó!

Kiatgak

2008-06-04

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:08 PM, gugarn.giatou

wrote:

Lâu siàn, Pêngan!

Goá khì chhītiûⁿ

khoàⁿtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ, khai tāmpo̍há chîⁿ kāi bóe lâi ēng,

chūánne sengoa̍h ūthangsîá ōe tè tit piànhoà, 多采多姿.

M̄koh khoàⁿtio̍h phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ, goá khólêng

chi̍tsián chîⁿ to bōechhutē.  Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê

Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"!

Koh khah tiōngiàuê sī, lán chiahnihá iōngsim kèkàu teh thoân ê

Tâioânōe kóng sī ánne … , lóng bô lánê "lênghûn", kám

iâuū

thoân ê pitiàu?  為"誰"辛苦為"誰"忙?  Hianihákú to lóng bô Hájī

kám ū

chha kah chitkúinî?  Hànjī bānbāná chhē, Lômájī toātoā sak.

Tī lán téng chi̍tûn ê lâng lóng iâu chāisiⁿ ê sî to̍h lóng

hō͘

Lômájī phó͘phiànhoà kám m̄ hó?  Mài kóng pa̍thāng kannā kóng

tī bûnim ham gúim ígoā koh chhòng chi̍ttui 破音字 kám hó?

Tn̄gtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ chho͘-khí-hông ōe hō͘ lâng kiaⁿhiâⁿ.  Lán

lóng bô hō͘i kah lán o̍h Tiongbûn siokâng ê sîkan kah kihōe.

Chitmá lán teh súiōng Lômájī nā bô lísióng ê piáuhiān sī

pitjiânē, engkaiē.  Lán ài goânliōng pa̍tlâng, mā ài

goânliōng

kakī ê chhiⁿso͘ bôse̍k, m̄thang chekpī kakī.  Choattùi ēng pí

o̍h Hànjī khahchió ê sînkan kah chengsîn lán to̍h o̍h ōehiáu

Tâigú Lômájī loh.  Goá púnlâng tùi Tâigú Lômájī

júlâijúse̍k

to̍hsi kàihó ê chi̍tgê lē!

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message -----

From: "Kiatgak Lau"

To: "gugarn.giatou"

Cc: "Taigubang-02"

Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:28 AM

Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ pêngan,

Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok

hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.

Chin chán ê koanliām, kóng liáu chiâⁿ hó. Ke o̍h 1 hāng mi̍hkiāⁿ, tō

ke 1 hāng soánte̍k, tō ke khah chūiû.

Chin chē chútiuⁿ ēng hànjī ê lâng, katī ê koanliām hō͘ hànjī pa̍ksí

koh m̄ chai. Beh ēng m̄ ēng LMJ sī koanliām (thàitō͘) ê būntê.

Kiatgak

2008-06-03

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, gugarn.giatou

wrote:

Kokūi hiaⁿ-ché,

Lômájī tah hit kúijī niā.

Goá sī Tâigílâng.  Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah o̍h

oēhiáu

chi̍tjī Lômájī niā.  Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h ta̍kjī

lóng

o̍h

oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ

siá, chhun kāi liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì niā.

Goá m̄sī Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná.  Nā ánne kannā o̍h choân

Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô

thàulām--ê

kekhah kántan?

Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字".

Chitjī Hànjī koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu mā

khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē

lán

chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê im.  Chi̍tjījī ū

chia̍hchoē

im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng "意象".  Sînkengkun ài chiok

toātiâu.

Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā.

Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang to̍h

kàoân,

to̍h oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô.  Kóng o̍hliáu Lômájī

liáuāu thiaukang kohchài lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá

gō͘choā

cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah,  ánne chiongkuibé sī

siáng(siáⁿ-lâng)

khah chânjím?

Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji

ê

chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām … lóng bôkhì loh!

Chesī

teh

kāng Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī

teh

chān lánê Tâigí.

Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh siongsìn?  Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh lâi

hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h khì

piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù.  "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng

"pùnsò

hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù.  "Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi

káiseh

chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi

m̄sī

"ka̍k".  Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū

hósim.

Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut

Tâigí

ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng poē.

Lômájī ēng hō͘i koànsì!  Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

Lán Tâigí chitmá iōngsim kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám

hó?  Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 …，而終 …。) khaisí a̍hkhì

kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng Lômájī

leh?

Chi̍tgê ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ

ê

Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘.  Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng nā

sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē mā

bôkhólêng.  Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán thoa,

m̄chai

sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ kî.

Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ o̍h bô.  Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh o̍h

chiokchoē tang--ê.  Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng

chiok

hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.  Chiū lán Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī

chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat ê

mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan!   Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘

kakī

kihoē toh oē-ēng--ê.

Chhoà Kimêng

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

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Re: RE: [tgb] Re: Hoi-liuk-fa e kau-chai

From: levin
Date: 2008-06-06 13:21:37

To-sia Chun-iok hiaN.

 

Lip-bun

 

-----Original Message----- From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of **Lim Chun-iok **Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 7:21 PM To:

Cc: Google TGB Subject: [tgb] Re: Hoi-liuk-fa e kau-chai

Li̍p-bûn,

Kheh-gí Sìn-bōng-ài http://hakka.fhl.net téng-bīn ū kheh-gí iáⁿ-im kàu-chāi kap soàⁿ-téng jī-tián, Hoâ-gí choán Kheh-gí kang-ku, Kheh-gí Hàn-lô su-ji̍p-hoat téng-téng. Goá sī án-ne o̍h khí-lâi ê.

Chuniok

2008/6/4 levin :

Kok-ui hiaN-che, Beh oh8 Kheh-oe ai an-choaN he-chhiu khah-ho--leh?

Goa chai-iaN lan TGB u kui-e hiaN-che ma si toa-han i-au chiah oh Kheh-oe--e, siuN beh ti chia chheng-kau tai-ke. Hoi-liuk-fa u 7-e siaN-tiau, Si-yan-fa kan-na 6-e. Goa leh siuN, na seng oh Hoi-liuk, khoh-leng au-jit-a beh tng-seh khi Si-yan e khah-ho-se. Sou-i goa si siuN beh seng tui Hoi-liuk he-chhiu. M-koh goa chit-siaN chiah hoat-kak chhoe bo sim-mih kau-chai, iu-ki si u CD ah Tape e kau-chai. M-chai u-lang e-tang ka goa chi-tiam--chit-e--bo?

Leng-goa, 徐兆泉e 台灣客家話辭典, goa kui-kang-cheng khi 南天書局mng, kong choat-pan..a, Chhi sian-si tng leh pian sin-pan2, ai koh tan2. M-chai u-lang chai-iaN toh-ui u-te3 be2 i e chhou-pan--bo?

Ka tak-ke chak-cho. Lou-lat.

Lip-bun

-- 基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！ Lim Chun-iok http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字) http://taigu.fhl.net http://hakka.fhl.net http://taigi.fhl.net http://tailo.fhl.net

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: Phokgoân Chio̍h
Date: 2008-06-06 14:21:17

Lausu,

Goa khoanntioh e iugoan siokang. Goa ma kangkhoan si Ubuntu 8.04 + Hoehouli (Firefox) 3.0 Beta.

Goa iong Windows XP + Hoehouli, kap Ubuntu + Hoehouli, khoanntioh longsi anne.

Tongjian, ti bunchiunn laite e sichun khoann khilai bo chiah benghian. Pianchip e sichun khoann khah chhengchho. Kiangi lausu etang chhigiam chit-e -- ti u tiauho e ji thaucheng, jih Backspace. Na chengsiong e ji, li jih 1 pai toh thaitiau 1 ji; nasi Kimeng siansinn e ji, li ai jih 2 pai chiah ethangtit thai 1 ji (Jih teit pai, thai tiauho. Jih teji pai, thai jibo.)

Bo tohsi ka ji hongtoa, toh khoann echhutlai. Suijian kong khoann bunchiunn e sichun ma kangkhoan e-khoanntit, mkoh chongsi anne chuliau toh u chittiama hokchap. Jichhiann iong nngthe ma boetang chengsiong choan. (Goa beh iong ToCyrillic e Transliterate ka tiauho choan souji, boe-choantit, inui i bo jintit chiae ji.)

Taikai si anne :D

Mchaiiann Kimeng siansinn e khi 13TBI bo? :o Goa chin siunnbeh chaiiann li iong siannmih nngthe phahji :D

Phokgoan, Lakgoeh c6, 2008

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Kiatgak Lau wrote:

Phokgoan,

   Kângkhoán neh… Goá tī hùtóng khǹg 1 tiuⁿ tô͘, hō͘ lí chhamkhó chi̍tē.

Téngbīn sī líê phoe ê siáhoat, ēkha sī goá káikoè ê.

Goa ti Ubuntu eng Firefox khoann Kimeng hiann e phoe long chengsiong,

bo tekpiat siatteng jiheng.

Chhiann mng li e khoankeng si…?

Kiatgak

2008-06-05

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Phokgoân Chio̍h wrote:

Kimêng siansiⁿ,

   Kângkhoán neh… Goá tī hùtóng khǹg 1 tiuⁿ tô͘, hō͘ lí chhamkhó chi̍tē.

Téngbīn sī líê phoe ê siáhoat, ēkha sī goá káikoè ê.

   Mā siūⁿbeh chhiáⁿmn̄g lí iōng siáⁿmih suji̍phoat leh :D

Phokgoan,

La̍kgoe̍h c4, 2008

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:29 PM, gugarn.giatou

wrote:

Chio̍h siàn,

Ti kehsek kāi káitńglâi sûnbûnjī khoàⁿ ōe mài koh chhuthiān lí

kóngê cho͘ha̍pjī--bōe?  Chhiáⁿ kohchài chítiám.  Lóla̍t.  Kakī

閉門造車 to̍hōe ū chitchióng kiatkó.  Kámsiā lí lâi the̍hchhíⁿ hō͘goá

ū káisiān ê kihōe.  Mài koh chōsêng ta̍kke ê khùnjiáu.  Mâhoân

koh pang goá khoàⁿ ū káikoat--bô?

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message ----- From: Phokgoân Chio̍h

To: Google TGB

Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:54 PM

Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng siansiⁿ pêngan,

 Goá ū kā che só͘ū ê thólūn loēiông lóng khǹg tī Tâigú Bāng Búlo̍k

téngbīn.

 http://taigubang.blogspot.com/2008/06/go-chiok-i-chh-kiho-thak-si-lmj.html

 Pauhâm āupiah ta̍kke chiap lo̍hkhì ê thólūn, goá lóng khǹg tī chitphiⁿ

bûnchiuⁿ ēkha ê "phênglūn" lāité.

 Chū goá lâi chia, kap khì Hōlópedia (Tâibûn Pekkhochoânsu) khoàⁿtio̍h

ta̍kke teh iōng Rômájī khaikáng, thólūn, kámkak chin kámtōng. Gíbûn to̍hsī

khò ta̍kke ánne súiōng, chhòngchō, chiah thang kèsio̍k thoàⁿ lo̍hkhì.

 M̄koh thiaⁿ chinchoē chiânpoē kóng chi̍tkoá kò͘sū, a̍hsī khoàⁿ chi̍tkoá

chuliāu, kámkak sim chiok thiàⁿ -- Tâibûn ê bûnhiàn, siausit ê khólêng pí

póliû lo̍hlâi ê kohkhah choē.

 Ji̍tpún sîtāi ê chokphín, kap "Tâibûnlâng" ê ji̍tsiông kìsū, chhiúkó

(Pílūn. [ Chhutsísoàⁿ ] Āuphiⁿ).

 2007 Tī Ji̍tgoa̍tthâm, àmsîá thiaⁿ Henry Agiâu siansiⁿ kóngê, 1990 nîtāi

bānglō͘ chho͘kî ê lūntoâⁿ kap thongsìn tīn. (Kūê Tâigú Bāng?) Chinchoē

chuliāu lóng oânchoân siausit khì ah.

 Iáukoh ū, lomaji.com mā tó ah… (Chuliāu m̄chaiiáⁿ kám ū lâu té? @.@")

 Chóngsī, ū chinchoē íchá ê chuliāu, chitmá lóng íkeng chhoē boētio̍h ah.

Siūⁿtio̍h sim lóng ē thiàⁿ.

 Só͘í, chiah chin hoaⁿhí khoàⁿtio̍h lí goānì lâi tha̍k, siá Rômájī kap

Tâigíbûn.

 Mā ē hibāng, lán kináji̍t ê thólūn, chiaê bûnjī ētàng lâu lo̍hlâi. Lán

chitmá chit tīn, chóngsī 1ê só khílâi ê thólūn tīn, só͘í goá chiah ē hibāng

tī bānglō͘ téngbīn ke lâu kúi hūn-á.

 A̍h tio̍hsī inūi ánne, chiah ē hibāng chhoē lâng chòhoé lâi Sukáipù

khaikáng. Mā kā khaikáng lo̍k (chat log) lâu 1 hūn tī soàⁿténg.

http://taigubang.blogspot.com/search/label/Lo%CC%8Dk

 Goá ē kámkak to̍hsǹg sī ū chi̍ttiámá "bôliâu" ê oētê (thólūn tiāniáⁿ,

iákiû… téngténg) mā ta̍ttit lâu lo̍hlâi. Chóngsī chitkoá "chitê sîtāi ê

lâng" khaikáng ê kìlo̍k. Tio̍h chhinchhiūⁿ goá chitmá ē chin siūⁿbeh chhoē

kó͘chálâng siá ê Rômájī ji̍tkì kângkhoán.

 Suijiân chaiiáⁿ katī Tâibûn lêngle̍k bôhó, chóngsī, hibāng katī ētàng

chīnliōng kā ta̍kke kóngê oē póliû lo̍hlâi, lâu hō͘ lánê kiáⁿsun.

Phokgoân,

La̍kgoe̍h c4, 2008

(Chù: Kimêng siansiⁿ, kîsi̍t lí phahê jī ū chi̍ttiámá būntê -- Lí phah

chhutlâi ê jī lóngsī cho͘ha̍p jī,

 pílūn "ê" lí phah chhutlâi lóngsī "e^", ánne kîsi̍t ē ū chi̍ttiámá loān.

 Jîchhiáⁿ kîsi̍t chiaê jī lóng ū ko͘chi̍t jī ê phahhoat.

 Só͘í goá tī Tâigú Bāng Búlo̍k téngbīn lóng kā lí kái hó ah. Hō͘ lí

chhamkhó :))

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: 巫義淵
Date: 2008-06-06 17:01:15

kiakhi loatkian chhiann chhamkho

Bu5 gi7-ian keng-le2 2008.06.06

----- Original Message -----

From: gugarn.giatou

To: Lim Jukhai ;

Cc: 巫義淵 ; Kiatgak Lau ; Taigubang-02

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 5:53 PM

Subject: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Bû lāusu, Ông lāusi, Lîm lāusu, Ta̍kkehó.

 

Kámsiā!  Tāikhaigánkài!  Goá kinlíno̍h.

Chia sī chi̍tgê hósó͘chāi, ài ke pò lâng chai!

 

Lóla̍t!

 

Chhoà Kimêng

 

ps. 巫 Kam jītián sī kong tē-5-siaⁿ.  Goá tī Thâmchú tn̄gtio̍h hitūi siansiⁿ sī kóng "Bū".  Goá nā kālí kóng m̄tio̍h ài kānggoá chítō, mài kiànkoài.

----- Original Message ----- 

**From:** 
Lim 
Jukhai 

**To:**  

**Cc:** 巫義淵 ; gugarn.giatou ; Kiatgak Lau ; Taigubang-02 

**Sent:** Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:53 
PM

**Subject:** [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe 
ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

"Liam-mih khau liam-mih chhio" e "liam-mih" "Li na an-ni, Liam-mih tioh hou keng-chhat liah khi" e liam-mih. Eng-kai si kong 'sometimes'. khai

2008/6/4 :

Taigubang 
  大家好

提供思考資料而已。

見附件：台語_念彌.jpg

說明： 念 -> 短時間 彌 -> 長時間 台語：念彌 -> 華語：可能短時間，也可能長時間。            -> 華語：不能確定，但不會立即，也不會很久。

台語的「念彌」一詞，與「心中覺得要趕快之意」「無關」， 而是單純「對時間長短的判斷之詞」而已， 所以與「連鞭」搭不上邊！

台語實例：阿明念彌來 -> 華語：阿明不會立即也不會很久，會到達這兒。 說此話語者是否「急著希望」阿明要立刻到達呢？不知！

Best Regards

Truth Wang 王聖欣

  2008/06/05

-----Original Message-----

  From:  [mailto:] On Behalf 
  Of 巫義淵 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:30 AM To: gugarn.giatou; 
  Kiatgak Lau Cc: Taigubang-02 Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe 
  ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

taike pengan

sou sia e "連鞭"kinku Kam Uilim jitian si sia  "臨邊" liam5pinn , chhiann chhamkho

bugiian 2008.06.05 ----- Original Message ----- From: "gugarn.giatou" To: "Kiatgak Lau" Cc: "Taigubang-02" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 6:09 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Lâu siàn,

Koh kóngchi̍tgê phínchit putliông ê lē: Lán Tâioânōe "chin kín ê sîkan" ūlâng kóng Hànjī sī "連鞭". Ai-ioh!  Chinchiàⁿ thak bōelo̍hkhì. Siatsú chèngkhakê Rômájī sī "liap-nih". Chhun ánne āutē kiáⁿsun khoàⁿtio̍h Hànjī "連鞭" boh chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" to̍h chiâⁿpiàⁿē.  Thiaⁿtio̍h kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ēng Rômájī siá khílâi sī "liam-piⁿ", "liam-mi̍h", … , boh chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" ê kihōe sī khahtoā.  Tio̍h--bô? Tngtangsî i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" ê sî, hoānsè hoaⁿhí kah

  poa̍hpoa̍h--tó, inūi i 功在台語.  Sūsi̍tsiōng "chin kín ê 
  sîkan" lán chitmá ê kónghoat siatsú chinchiàⁿ sī 
  "liap-nih" ê impiàn, ánne i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" m̄to̍hsīteh 
  遺禍子孫? :p

Chhōe Hànjī chinchiàⁿ ài sīntiōng, mài biánkióng.  Ke khì mn̄g chi̍tkoálâng chiah lo̍hpit.  Chhun: Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng.  M̄bat Hànjī ê Tâgúlâng.  Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān só͘chāi ê Tâigúlâng. Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng.  Mài kannā khoàⁿ kúipún kó͘cháchheh to̍hlâi 閉門造車.  Nābô ōe kālângê kungoân lóng chhòchhòtiāu.  Ánne sī teh tn̄g lângê kun, tn̄g lângê chúilō͘, sī lēnggoā chi̍tchióng bia̍tlâng gúgiân, bûnhoà ê to̍kpō͘ neh. Goá ài phínchit hó ê Tâigí Hànjī ê goânin tio̍hsī ánne niā.

Chhoà Kimêng

  ----- Original Message -----

From: "Kiatgak Lau" To: "gugarn.giatou"

  Cc: "Taigubang-02" 

  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:05 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa 
  chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

  Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"!

Chin chhimji̍p ê sukhó!  Chiâⁿ ta̍t tit chò Tâigúbûn ūntōng ê lâng

  > chhamkhó! > > Kiatgak > 
  2008-06-04 > > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 
  6:08 PM, gugarn.giatou >  
  wrote: >> Lâu siàn, Pêngan! >>

  >> Goá khì chhītiûⁿ >> khoàⁿtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ, 
  khai tāmpo̍há chîⁿ kāi bóe lâi ēng, >> chūánne 
  sengoa̍h ūthangsîá ōe tè tit piànhoà, 多采多姿. >> M̄koh 
  khoàⁿtio̍h phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ, goá khólêng

  >> chi̍tsián chîⁿ to bōechhutē.  Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú 
  kungoân ê >> Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī 
  "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"! >> Koh khah 
  tiōngiàuê sī, lán chiahnihá iōngsim kèkàu teh 
  thoân ê >> Tâioânōe kóng sī ánne ... , lóng bô 
  lánê "lênghûn", kám >> iâuū >> thoân 
  ê pitiàu?  為"誰"辛苦為"誰"忙?  Hianihákú to lóng 
  bô Hájī >> kám ū >> chha kah 
  chitkúinî?  Hànjī bānbāná chhē, Lômájī 
  toātoā sak. >> Tī lán téng chi̍tûn ê lâng lóng 
  iâu chāisiⁿ ê sî to̍h lóng >> hō͘ >> 
  Lômájī phó͘phiànhoà kám m̄ hó?  Mài kóng pa̍thāng 
  kannā kóng >> tī bûnim ham gúim ígoā koh chhòng 
  chi̍ttui 破音字 kám hó? >> Tn̄gtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ 
  chho͘-khí-hông ōe hō͘ lâng kiaⁿhiâⁿ.  Lán >> 
  lóng bô hō͘i kah lán o̍h Tiongbûn siokâng ê sîkan kah 
  kihōe. >> Chitmá lán teh súiōng Lômájī nā bô 
  lísióng ê piáuhiān sī >> pitjiânē, engkaiē. 
   Lán ài goânliōng pa̍tlâng, mā ài >> 
  goânliōng >> kakī ê chhiⁿso͘ bôse̍k, m̄thang chekpī 
  kakī.  Choattùi ēng pí >> o̍h Hànjī khahchió ê 
  sînkan kah chengsîn lán to̍h o̍h ōehiáu >> Tâigú 
  Lômájī loh.  Goá púnlâng tùi Tâigú Lômájī

  >> júlâijúse̍k >> to̍hsi kàihó ê chi̍tgê 
  lē! >> >> Chhoà Kimêng

  >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> 
  From: "Kiatgak Lau"  >> 
  To: "gugarn.giatou" 

  >> Cc: "Taigubang-02" 

  >> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:28 AM >> Subject: 
  [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

  >>> Kimêng hiaⁿ pêngan, >>>

  >>>> Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng 
  chiok >>>> hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.

  >>> >>> Chin chán ê koanliām, kóng liáu chiâⁿ 
  hó. Ke o̍h 1 hāng mi̍hkiāⁿ, tō >>> ke 1 hāng soánte̍k, tō 
  ke khah chūiû. >>> >>> Chin chē chútiuⁿ 
  ēng hànjī ê lâng, katī ê koanliām hō͘ hànjī pa̍ksí >>> 
  koh m̄ chai. Beh ēng m̄ ēng LMJ sī koanliām (thàitō͘) ê būntê.

  >>> >>> Kiatgak >>> 
  2008-06-03 >>> >>> On Sun, May 4, 2008 
  at 7:46 PM, gugarn.giatou >>>  
  wrote: >>>> Kokūi hiaⁿ-ché,

  >>>> >>>> Lômájī tah hit kúijī 
  niā. >>>> >>>> Goá sī 
  Tâigílâng.  Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah o̍h

  >>>> oēhiáu >>>> chi̍tjī Lômájī 
  niā.  Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h ta̍kjī

  >>>> lóng >>>> o̍h

  >>>> oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ 
  tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ >>>> siá, chhun kāi liū hō͘i 
  se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì niā.

  >>>> >>>> Goá m̄sī Tâigílâng, goá 
  sī gíná.  Nā ánne kannā o̍h choân >>>> 
  Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô

  >>>> thàulām--ê >>>> kekhah 
  kántan? >>>> Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū púnim 
  mā khólêng iâuū "破音字 ". >>>> Chitjī Hànjī 
  koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu mā

  >>>> khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu khólêng ài 
  siⁿchhut chiokchoē >>>> lán

  >>>> chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê im. 
   Chi̍tjījī ū >>>> chia̍hchoē

  >>>> im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng "意象". 
   Sînkengkun ài chiok >>>> toātiâu.

  >>>> Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò 
  niā. >>>> Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà 
  Lômájī kùikang to̍h >>>> kàoân,

  >>>> to̍h oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô.  Kóng 
  o̍hliáu Lômájī >>>> liáuāu thiaukang kohchài 
  lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá >>>> 
  gō͘choā >>>> cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah, 
   ánne chiongkuibé sī >>>> 
  siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) >>>> khah chânjím?

  >>>> >>>> Hànjī bānbāná 
  chhoē! >>>> M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá 
  Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji >>>> 
  ê >>>> chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām ... 
  lóng bôkhì loh! >>>> Chesī

  >>>> teh >>>> kāng Tâigí ê kingoân 
  chāmchāmtiāu, sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī >>>> 
  teh >>>> chān lánê Tâigí.

  >>>> Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh siongsìn?  Chhun 
  chhoē "撿角" boh lâi >>>> hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. 
  "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h khì

  >>>> piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù. 
   "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng >>>> "pùnsò

  >>>> hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù.  "Kak" ngēngē iōng 
  六書 lâi kāi >>>> káiseh >>>> 
  chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē chiapsiū, m̄koh 
  "kak" choattùi >>>> m̄sī >>>> 
  "ka̍k".  Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā 
  kàihó àiū >>>> hósim. >>>> 
  Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia Hànjī tha̍k oē 
  chhut >>>> Tâigí >>>> ê lâng 
  sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng poē.

  >>>> Lômájī ēng hō͘i koànsì!  Hànjī bānbāná 
  chhoē! >>>> >>>> Lán Tâigí 
  chitmá iōngsim kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám

  >>>> hó?  Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 ...，而終 ...。) 
  khaisí a̍hkhì >>>> kokchngthâu, siākhu kà 
  ūhoè ê lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng Lômájī >>>> 
  leh? >>>> Chi̍tgê ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī 
  chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ >>>> ê

  >>>> Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘.  Jîchhiáⁿ in 
  chit-ûn ê lâng nā >>>> sí-oân, lán kàusî 
  nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē mā

  >>>> bôkhólêng.  Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh 
  kāng lán thoa, >>>> m̄chai >>>> 
  sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ kî. >>>>

  >>>> Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ o̍h bô.  Toātoāsoèsoè 
  ittēng àikoh o̍h >>>> chiokchoē tang--ê.  Sin 
  o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng >>>> 
  chiok >>>> hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.  Chiū lán 
  Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī >>>> chísī 
  chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat ê

  >>>> mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan!   Chíiāu lí ài 
  hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ >>>> kakī >>>> 
  kihoē toh oē-ēng--ê. >>>> >>>> 
  Chhoà Kimêng >>>> >

  >>>> >>> >>> 
  >> >>> > > >

  >



  >

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: 巫義淵
Date: 2008-06-06 17:03:00

khiakhi loatkian chhiann chhamkho

bugiian kengle 2008.06.06

----- Original Message -----

From: Lim Jukhai

To:

Cc: 巫義淵 ; gugarn.giatou ; Kiatgak Lau ; Taigubang-02

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

"Liam-mih khau liam-mih chhio" e "liam-mih" "Li na an-ni, Liam-mih tioh hou keng-chhat liah khi" e liam-mih. Eng-kai si kong 'sometimes'. khai

2008/6/4 :

Taigubang 大家好

提供思考資料而已。

見附件：台語_念彌.jpg

說明： 念 -> 短時間 彌 -> 長時間 台語：念彌 -> 華語：可能短時間，也可能長時間。            -> 華語：不能確定，但不會立即，也不會很久。

台語的「念彌」一詞，與「心中覺得要趕快之意」「無關」， 而是單純「對時間長短的判斷之詞」而已， 所以與「連鞭」搭不上邊！

台語實例：阿明念彌來 -> 華語：阿明不會立即也不會很久，會到達這兒。 說此話語者是否「急著希望」阿明要立刻到達呢？不知！

Best Regards

Truth Wang 王聖欣

2008/06/05

-----Original Message-----

From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of 巫義淵 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:30 AM To: gugarn.giatou; Kiatgak Lau Cc: Taigubang-02 Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

taike pengan

sou sia e "連鞭"kinku Kam Uilim jitian si sia  "臨邊" liam5pinn , chhiann chhamkho

bugiian 2008.06.05 ----- Original Message ----- From: "gugarn.giatou" To: "Kiatgak Lau" Cc: "Taigubang-02" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 6:09 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Lâu siàn,

Koh kóngchi̍tgê phínchit putliông ê lē: Lán Tâioânōe "chin kín ê sîkan" ūlâng kóng Hànjī sī "連鞭". Ai-ioh!  Chinchiàⁿ thak bōelo̍hkhì. Siatsú chèngkhakê Rômájī sī "liap-nih". Chhun ánne āutē kiáⁿsun khoàⁿtio̍h Hànjī "連鞭" boh chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" to̍h chiâⁿpiàⁿē.  Thiaⁿtio̍h kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ēng Rômájī siá khílâi sī "liam-piⁿ", "liam-mi̍h", … , boh chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" ê kihōe sī khahtoā.  Tio̍h--bô? Tngtangsî i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" ê sî, hoānsè hoaⁿhí kah poa̍hpoa̍h--tó, inūi i 功在台語.  Sūsi̍tsiōng "chin kín ê sîkan" lán chitmá ê kónghoat siatsú chinchiàⁿ sī "liap-nih" ê impiàn, ánne i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" m̄to̍hsīteh 遺禍子孫? :p

Chhōe Hànjī chinchiàⁿ ài sīntiōng, mài biánkióng.  Ke khì mn̄g

chi̍tkoálâng chiah lo̍hpit.  Chhun: Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng. 
 M̄bat Hànjī ê Tâgúlâng.  Toà tī kauthong bô 
hongpiān só͘chāi ê Tâigúlâng. Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê 
Tâigúlâng.  Mài kannā khoàⁿ kúipún kó͘cháchheh 
to̍hlâi 閉門造車.  Nābô ōe kālângê kungoân lóng

chhòchhòtiāu.  Ánne sī teh tn̄g lângê kun, tn̄g lângê 
chúilō͘, sī lēnggoā chi̍tchióng bia̍tlâng gúgiân, bûnhoà 
ê to̍kpō͘ neh. Goá ài phínchit hó ê Tâigí Hànjī ê 
goânin tio̍hsī ánne niā.

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message -----

From: "Kiatgak Lau"  To: 
"gugarn.giatou" 

Cc: "Taigubang-02" 

Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:05 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa 
chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"!

Chin chhimji̍p ê sukhó!  Chiâⁿ ta̍t tit chò Tâigúbûn ūntōng ê lâng

chhamkhó!

Kiatgak 2008-06-04

> > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:08 PM, 
gugarn.giatou >  
wrote: >> Lâu siàn, Pêngan! >>

>> Goá khì chhītiûⁿ >> khoàⁿtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ, 
khai tāmpo̍há chîⁿ kāi bóe lâi ēng, >> chūánne 
sengoa̍h ūthangsîá ōe tè tit piànhoà, 多采多姿. >> M̄koh 
khoàⁿtio̍h phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ, goá khólêng

>> chi̍tsián chîⁿ to bōechhutē.  Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú 
kungoân ê >> Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī 
"phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"! >> Koh khah 
tiōngiàuê sī, lán chiahnihá iōngsim kèkàu teh thoân ê

>> Tâioânōe kóng sī ánne ... , lóng bô lánê "lênghûn", 
kám >> iâuū >> thoân ê pitiàu? 
 為"誰"辛苦為"誰"忙?  Hianihákú to lóng bô Hájī >> 
kám ū >> chha kah chitkúinî?  Hànjī bānbāná 
chhē, Lômájī toātoā sak. >> Tī lán téng chi̍tûn 
ê lâng lóng iâu chāisiⁿ ê sî to̍h lóng >> hō͘

>> Lômájī phó͘phiànhoà kám m̄ hó?  Mài kóng pa̍thāng 
kannā kóng >> tī bûnim ham gúim ígoā koh chhòng 
chi̍ttui 破音字 kám hó? >> Tn̄gtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ 
chho͘-khí-hông ōe hō͘ lâng kiaⁿhiâⁿ.  Lán >> lóng 
bô hō͘i kah lán o̍h Tiongbûn siokâng ê sîkan kah kihōe.

>> Chitmá lán teh súiōng Lômájī nā bô lísióng ê piáuhiān 
sī >> pitjiânē, engkaiē.  Lán ài goânliōng 
pa̍tlâng, mā ài >> goânliōng >> kakī ê 
chhiⁿso͘ bôse̍k, m̄thang chekpī kakī.  Choattùi ēng pí

>> o̍h Hànjī khahchió ê sînkan kah chengsîn lán to̍h o̍h 
ōehiáu >> Tâigú Lômájī loh.  Goá púnlâng tùi 
Tâigú Lômájī >> júlâijúse̍k >> to̍hsi 
kàihó ê chi̍tgê lē! >> >> Chhoà 
Kimêng >> >> ----- Original Message 
----- >> From: "Kiatgak Lau"  >> 
To: "gugarn.giatou" 

>> Cc: "Taigubang-02" 

>> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:28 AM >> Subject: 
[tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji. >>> 
Kimêng hiaⁿ pêngan, >>> >>>> Sin o̍h 
chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok >>>> hoaⁿhí 
ê tāichì. >>> >>> Chin chán ê koanliām, 
kóng liáu chiâⁿ hó. Ke o̍h 1 hāng mi̍hkiāⁿ, tō >>> ke 1 
hāng soánte̍k, tō ke khah chūiû. >>> >>> 
Chin chē chútiuⁿ ēng hànjī ê lâng, katī ê koanliām hō͘ hànjī pa̍ksí

>>> koh m̄ chai. Beh ēng m̄ ēng LMJ sī koanliām (thàitō͘) ê 
būntê. >>> >>> Kiatgak

>>> 2008-06-03 >>> >>> On Sun, 
May 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, gugarn.giatou >>>  
wrote: >>>> Kokūi hiaⁿ-ché,

>>>> >>>> Lômájī tah hit kúijī 
niā. >>>> >>>> Goá sī 
Tâigílâng.  Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah o̍h

>>>> oēhiáu >>>> chi̍tjī Lômájī niā. 
 Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h ta̍kjī >>>> 
lóng >>>> o̍h >>>> oēhiáu loh, 
lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ

>>>> siá, chhun kāi liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê 
tāichì niā. >>>> >>>> Goá 
m̄sī Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná.  Nā ánne kannā 
o̍h choân >>>> Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân 
Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô >>>> thàulām--ê

>>>> kekhah kántan? >>>> Chi̍tjī Hànjī 
tī Tiongbûn ū púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字 ".

>>>> Chitjī Hànjī koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim 
liáuāu mā >>>> khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu 
khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē >>>> lán

>>>> chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê im. 
 Chi̍tjījī ū >>>> chia̍hchoē

>>>> im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng "意象".  Sînkengkun 
ài chiok >>>> toātiâu. >>>> 
Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā.

>>>> Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī 
kùikang to̍h >>>> kàoân, >>>> 
to̍h oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô.  Kóng o̍hliáu 
Lômájī >>>> liáuāu thiaukang kohchài lia̍hin lâi 
chi̍tjī Hànjī siá >>>> gō͘choā

>>>> cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah,  ánne chiongkuibé 
sī >>>> siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) >>>> 
khah chânjím? >>>> >>>> Hànjī 
bānbāná chhoē! >>>> M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá 
Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji >>>> 
ê >>>> chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām ... 
lóng bôkhì loh! >>>> Chesī >>>> 
teh >>>> kāng Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, sī 
teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī >>>> teh >>>> 
chān lánê Tâigí. >>>> Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh 
siongsìn?  Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh lâi >>>> 
hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī 
the̍h khì >>>> piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê 
ìsù.  "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng >>>> 
"pùnsò >>>> hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù.  "Kak" 
ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi >>>> káiseh

>>>> chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē chiapsiū, m̄koh 
"kak" choattùi >>>> m̄sī >>>> 
"ka̍k".  Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā 
kàihó àiū >>>> hósim. >>>> 
Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut

>>>> Tâigí >>>> ê lâng sī pí hia siá 
ê lâng gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng poē. >>>> 
Lômájī ēng hō͘i koànsì!  Hànjī bānbāná chhoē!

>>>> >>>> Lán Tâigí chitmá iōngsim 
kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám >>>> hó? 
 Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 ...，而終 ...。) khaisí a̍hkhì

>>>> kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng 
Lômájī >>>> leh? >>>> Chi̍tgê 
ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ

>>>> ê >>>> Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘. 
 Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng nā >>>> sí-oân, 
lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē mā

>>>> bôkhólêng.  Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh 
kāng lán thoa, >>>> m̄chai >>>> 
sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ kî. >>>>

>>>> Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ o̍h bô.  Toātoāsoèsoè 
ittēng àikoh o̍h >>>> chiokchoē tang--ê.  Sin 
o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng >>>> 
chiok >>>> hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.  Chiū lán 
Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī >>>> chísī 
chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat ê

>>>> mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan!   Chíiāu lí ài 
hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ >>>> kakī >>>> 
kihoē toh oē-ēng--ê. >>>> >>>> 
Chhoà Kimêng >>>> >

>>>> >>> >>> >>

>>> > > >

>



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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: gugarn.giatou
Date: 2008-06-06 19:07:48

Lán kám ū ham Ji̍tpún siosiâng ánne, kokka kannā chi̍tchióng gígiân niā?

 

Chitmáê Tâibûn ū chinchoē Hànjī chinchiàⁿ sī putliông sánphín, mài chhoē chí-lah-hú-lah ê líiû lâi tôphiah káipiàn, chiah oē kèsio̍k chìnpō͘ oânbí, hō͘lâng kamgoān chia̍psiū.

 

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message -----

From: Lau Seng-hian

To: 台語網

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 6:32 PM

Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Tsiàu án-ne lâi siūⁿ, Ji̍t-pún hàn-jī tō sī phín-tsit tsin bái, tsin put-liông??? Ji̍t-bûn hàn-jī tuā-pō͘-hūn lóng sī tshú hùn-iōng-jī, bô kuán sû-guân, mā bô tsiok tsiàu Tiong-kok hàn-jī ê jī-ì.

Koh ū, Ing-kok, Huat-kok, Sūi-tián in teh īng lô-má-jī, mā kāng-khuán tsin put-liông, in-uī he lô-má-jī ê īng-huat, bô tsun-thàn huat-bîng lô-má-jī ê Phoenicia "guân-té" ê sú-iōng, mā bô tsiâu thàn Hi-lia̍p iah-tsiá-sī Ló-má ê huat-tō͘….Tsin put-liông…..

2008/6/5 Kiatgak Lau :

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Lí kóng--ê bô m̄-tio̍h.

M̄-koh, ū 2 ê kipún koanliām ài têngchheng:

(1) Gígiân boh ēng símmih bûnjī siá sī ētàng soánte̍k--ê.  Hōlóoē ēng lômájī siá tō ūkàu a, bô tiāⁿtio̍h ài ēng hànjī.

(2) Gígiân sī ē iánpiàn--ê, tó͘kiông boh chhoē "chinchiàⁿ", "goânpún" ê jīgoân, ìgī bô toā.

Kín khì kā lí kóng--ê chiahê "Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng.  M̄bat Hànjī

ê Tâgúlâng.  Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān 
só͘chāi ê

Tâigúlâng. Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng." kóng ē oē ēng lômájī kìlio̍k--khílâi, chiah sī siāng iàukín--ê.

Chhiáⁿ chhamkhó.

Kiatgak 2008-06-05

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:09 PM, gugarn.giatou

wrote:

> Lâu siàn, > > Koh kóngchi̍tgê 
phínchit putliông ê lē: > Lán Tâioânōe "chin kín ê sîkan" 
ūlâng kóng Hànjī sī "連鞭". > Ai-ioh!  Chinchiàⁿ thak 
bōelo̍hkhì. > Siatsú chèngkhakê Rômájī sī "liap-nih". > 
Chhun ánne āutē kiáⁿsun khoàⁿtio̍h Hànjī "連鞭" boh 
chhōetńglâi > "liap-nih" to̍h chiâⁿpiàⁿē.  Thiaⁿtio̍h 
kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ēng > Rômájī siá khílâi sī "liam-piⁿ", 
"liam-mi̍h", ... , boh > chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" ê kihōe sī 
khahtoā.  Tio̍h--bô? > Tngtangsî i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" ê 
sî, hoānsè hoaⁿhí kah > poa̍hpoa̍h--tó, inūi i 功在台語. 
 Sūsi̍tsiōng "chin kín ê sîkan" lán > chitmá ê kónghoat 
siatsú chinchiàⁿ sī "liap-nih" ê impiàn, ánne i > siá Hànjī 
sī "連鞭" m̄to̍hsīteh 遺禍子孫? :p > > Chhōe Hànjī chinchiàⁿ ài 
sīntiōng, mài biánkióng.  Ke khì mn̄g > chi̍tkoálâng 
chiah lo̍hpit.  Chhun: Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng.  M̄bat 
Hànjī > ê Tâgúlâng.  Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān 
só͘chāi ê Tâigúlâng. > Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng. 
 Mài kannā khoàⁿ kúipún > kó͘cháchheh to̍hlâi 閉門造車. 
 Nābô ōe kālângê kungoân lóng > chhòchhòtiāu. 
 Ánne sī teh tn̄g lângê kun, tn̄g lângê chúilō͘, > sī 
lēnggoā chi̍tchióng bia̍tlâng gúgiân, bûnhoà ê to̍kpō͘ 
neh. > Goá ài phínchit hó ê Tâigí Hànjī ê goânin tio̍hsī 
ánne niā. > >

> Chhoà Kimêng > > > ----- Original 
Message -----

> From: "Kiatgak Lau" 

> To: "gugarn.giatou"  > 
Cc: "Taigubang-02" 

> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:05 AM > 
Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia 
Lo-ma-ji. > >

>> Kimêng hiaⁿ, >> >>> 
Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê >>> Tâigú Hànjī ê 
bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê 
mi̍hkiāⁿ"! >> >> Chin chhimji̍p ê sukhó!  Chiâⁿ ta̍t 
tit chò Tâigúbûn ūntōng ê lâng >> chhamkhó! >> >> 
Kiatgak >> 2008-06-04 >> >>

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:08 PM, gugarn.giatou

>>  
wrote: >>>




>>> Lâu siàn, 
Pêngan! >>> >>> Goá khì 
chhītiûⁿ >>> khoàⁿtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ, khai tāmpo̍há chîⁿ 
kāi bóe lâi ēng, >>> chūánne sengoa̍h ūthangsîá ōe tè 
tit piànhoà, 多采多姿. >>> M̄koh khoàⁿtio̍h phínchit putliông 
ê mi̍hkiāⁿ, goá khólêng >>> chi̍tsián chîⁿ to 
bōechhutē.  Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê >>> 
Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê 
mi̍hkiāⁿ"! >>> Koh khah tiōngiàuê sī, lán chiahnihá 
iōngsim kèkàu teh thoân ê >>> Tâioânōe kóng sī ánne 
... , lóng bô lánê "lênghûn", kám >>> 
iâuū >>> thoân ê pitiàu?  為"誰"辛苦為"誰"忙? 
 Hianihákú to lóng bô Hájī >>> kám 
ū >>> chha kah chitkúinî?  Hànjī bānbāná chhē, 
Lômájī toātoā sak. >>> Tī lán téng chi̍tûn ê lâng 
lóng iâu chāisiⁿ ê sî to̍h lóng >>> hō͘ >>> 
Lômájī phó͘phiànhoà kám m̄ hó?  Mài kóng pa̍thāng kannā 
kóng >>> tī bûnim ham gúim ígoā koh chhòng chi̍ttui 破音字 
kám hó? >>> Tn̄gtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ chho͘-khí-hông ōe hō͘ 
lâng kiaⁿhiâⁿ.  Lán >>> lóng bô hō͘i kah lán o̍h 
Tiongbûn siokâng ê sîkan kah kihōe. >>> Chitmá lán teh 
súiōng Lômájī nā bô lísióng ê piáuhiān sī >>> 
pitjiânē, engkaiē.  Lán ài goânliōng pa̍tlâng, mā 
ài >>> goânliōng >>> kakī ê chhiⁿso͘ bôse̍k, 
m̄thang chekpī kakī.  Choattùi ēng pí >>> o̍h Hànjī 
khahchió ê sînkan kah chengsîn lán to̍h o̍h ōehiáu >>> 
Tâigú Lômájī loh.  Goá púnlâng tùi Tâigú 
Lômájī >>> júlâijúse̍k >>> to̍hsi kàihó ê 
chi̍tgê lē! >>>

>>> Chhoà 
Kimêng >>> >>> ----- Original Message 
-----

>>> From: "Kiatgak Lau" 

>>> To: "gugarn.giatou"  >>> 
Cc: "Taigubang-02"  >>> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:28 AM

>>> Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe 
thak, sia Lo-ma-ji. >>>>

>>>> Kimêng hiaⁿ 
pêngan, >>>> >>>>> Sin o̍h chi̍thāng 
mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok >>>>> hoaⁿhí ê 
tāichì. >>>> >>>> Chin chán ê koanliām, kóng 
liáu chiâⁿ hó. Ke o̍h 1 hāng mi̍hkiāⁿ, tō >>>> ke 1 hāng 
soánte̍k, tō ke khah chūiû. >>>> >>>> Chin chē 
chútiuⁿ ēng hànjī ê lâng, katī ê koanliām hō͘ hànjī 
pa̍ksí >>>> koh m̄ chai. Beh ēng m̄ ēng LMJ sī koanliām 
(thàitō͘) ê būntê. >>>> >>>> 
Kiatgak >>>> 
2008-06-03 >>>>

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, gugarn.giatou

>>>>  
wrote: >>>>>




>>>>> Kokūi 
hiaⁿ-ché, >>>>> >>>>> Lômájī tah hit 
kúijī niā. >>>>> >>>>> Goá sī 
Tâigílâng.  Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah 
o̍h >>>>> oēhiáu >>>>> chi̍tjī 
Lômájī niā.  Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h 
ta̍kjī >>>>> lóng >>>>> 
o̍h >>>>> oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē 
tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ >>>>> siá, chhun kāi liū 
hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì 
niā. >>>>> >>>>> Goá m̄sī 
Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná.  Nā ánne kannā o̍h 
choân >>>>> Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân Hànjī--ê 
a̍hsī Hànlô >>>>> thàulām--ê >>>>> 
kekhah kántan? >>>>> Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū 
púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字". >>>>> Chitjī Hànjī 
koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu mā >>>>> 
khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu khólêng ài siⁿchhut 
chiokchoē >>>>> lán >>>>> chia 
"gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê im.  Chi̍tjījī 
ū >>>>> chia̍hchoē >>>>> im, 
chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng "意象".  Sînkengkun ài 
chiok >>>>> toātiâu. >>>>> Ha̍khāu 
a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò 
niā. >>>>> Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà 
Lômájī kùikang to̍h >>>>> 
kàoân, >>>>> to̍h oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô. 
 Kóng o̍hliáu Lômájī >>>>> liáuāu thiaukang 
kohchài lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá >>>>> 
gō͘choā >>>>> cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah, 
 ánne chiongkuibé sī >>>>> 
siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) >>>>> khah 
chânjím? >>>>> >>>>> Hànjī 
bānbāná chhoē! >>>>> M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá 
Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji >>>>> 
ê >>>>> chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām ... 
lóng bôkhì loh! >>>>> Chesī >>>>> 
teh >>>>> kāng Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, sī 
teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī >>>>> teh >>>>> 
chān lánê Tâigí. >>>>> Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh 
siongsìn?  Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh lâi >>>>> 
hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h 
khì >>>>> piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù. 
 "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng >>>>> 
"pùnsò >>>>> hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù.  "Kak" 
ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi >>>>> 
káiseh >>>>> chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē 
chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi >>>>> 
m̄sī >>>>> "ka̍k".  Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài 
ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū >>>>> 
hósim. >>>>> Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia 
Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut >>>>> 
Tâigí >>>>> ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, koh 
gâu kúināchheng poē. >>>>> Lômájī ēng hō͘i 
koànsì!  Hànjī bānbāná 
chhoē! >>>>> >>>>> Lán Tâigí chitmá 
iōngsim kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám >>>>> 
hó?  Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 ...，而終 ...。) khaisí 
a̍hkhì >>>>> kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng 
o̍h oēhiáu ēng Lômájī >>>>> 
leh? >>>>> Chi̍tgê ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī 
chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ >>>>> 
ê >>>>> Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘.  Jîchhiáⁿ 
in chit-ûn ê lâng nā >>>>> sí-oân, lán kàusî 
nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē 
mā

bôkhólêng.  Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán thoa, m̄chai

>>>>> sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ 
kî. >>>>> >>>>> Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ 
o̍h bô.  Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh o̍h >>>>> 
chiokchoē tang--ê.  Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī 
chi̍tchióng >>>>> chiok >>>>> hoaⁿhí 
ê tāichì.  Chiū lán Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng 
Lômájī >>>>> chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi 
piáusī lán chá to̍h bat ê >>>>> mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok 
kántan!   Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ >>>>> 
kakī >>>>> kihoē toh 
oē-ēng--ê. >>>>> >>>>> Chhoà 
Kimêng >>>>> 
> >>>>> >>>> >>>> 
>> >>>> >> >> 
>> >> > >

--

Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

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Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: Lau Seng-hian
Date: 2008-06-08 00:34:45

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Guá bô liáu-kái tse kap Ji̍t-pún sī m̄-sī kan-taⁿ 1 tsióng gí-giân ū siáⁿ-mih kuan-hē. M̄-koh, lán nā sī kā bûn-giân Hàn-gí tòng-tsò 1 tsióng gí-giân, lán sīm-tsì ē-tàng kóng

Ji̍t-pún ê kàu-io̍k--ni̍h, mā ū Ji̍t-gí í-guā ê gí-giân, in-ūi

Ji̍t-pún ê ko-tiong-sing mā tio̍h tha̍k bûn-giân Hàn-gí ê king-tián, sui-jiân sò͘-liōng pí Tâi-uân kiám tsiok tsē, tsóng-- sī, tse sī sū-si̍t, kó͘-tián Hàn-bûn sī Ji̍t-pún bûn-huà kap gí- giân ê tsi̍t-pō͘-hūn.

Guá án-ne kóng mā sī lī-tê--a, taⁿ kóng tò tńg--lâi, kò-jîn jīn-uî, m̄-kuán sī "lô-má-jī" ia̍h "Hàn-jī", kiù-khàm "pún-jī", kap "tong-guân-tshe" ê ho͘-im (huat-im), he lóng sī gí-giân

ha̍k-ka kap li̍k-sú ha̍k-ka ê khang-khuè, tsiâⁿ-tsò 1 ê it-puaⁿ ê sú-iōng-tsiá, bô ìng-kai the̍h tse tsò lí-iû lâi phue-phîng  "iōng-jī" ê "tsìng-tong-sìng", bô--tsiá, he kiat-kó tō-sī lán beh

hió-jīn gí-giân pún-sin in-ūi sî-kan só tsō-sîng ê "gí-im" kap " sû-ì" ê tsū-jiân piàn-huà, hi̍k-tsiá-sī beh tùi-ke̍h "hùn-iōng" ê tsò-huat, kò-jîn kám-kak tse tsin bô ì-gī.

Tuì gí-giân ê ián-piàn lâi kóng, lán lóng sī Tâi-gí ê sú-iōng-tsiá,

lán tong-jiân ē-tàng thàu-kuè lán ê sú-iōng, lâi íng-hióng Tâi-gí ho͘-im kap sû-ì tíng-tíng ê huat-tián, m̄-koh he tsua̍t-tuì bē-tàng īng-tsò phue-phîng "tsìng-tong-sìng" ê lō͘-iōng, in-uī tsin kî-kuài,

mā bô ha̍p tī sū-si̍t.

Lán tńg lâi "hùn-iōng" (訓用) tsit-ê tsân-bīn lâi kóng, nā tsún kóng  "hùn-iòng"(訓用) tō ē tsò-sîng ho͘-im kap sû-guân khe-khó ê būn- tê, án-ne Ji̍p-pún tsua̍t-tuì ài sing tshut būn-tê.

Í-siōng.

2008/6/6 gugarn.giatou :

Lán kám ū ham Ji̍tpún siosiâng ánne, kokka kannā chi̍tchióng gígiân niā?

 

Chitmáê Tâibûn ū chinchoē Hànjī chinchiàⁿ sī putliông sánphín, mài chhoē chí-lah-hú-lah ê líiû lâi tôphiah káipiàn, chiah oē kèsio̍k chìnpō͘ oânbí, hō͘lâng kamgoān chia̍psiū.

 

Chhoà Kimêng

----- Original Message -----

From: Lau Seng-hian

To: 台語網

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 6:32 PM

Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Tsiàu án-ne lâi siūⁿ, Ji̍t-pún hàn-jī tō sī phín-tsit tsin bái, tsin put-liông??? Ji̍t-bûn hàn-jī tuā-pō͘-hūn lóng sī tshú hùn-iōng-jī, bô kuán sû-guân, mā bô tsiok tsiàu Tiong-kok hàn-jī ê jī-ì.

Koh ū, Ing-kok, Huat-kok, Sūi-tián in teh īng lô-má-jī, mā kāng-khuán tsin put-liông, in-uī he lô-má-jī ê īng-huat, bô tsun-thàn huat-bîng lô-má-jī ê Phoenicia "guân-té" ê sú-iōng, mā bô tsiâu thàn Hi-lia̍p iah-tsiá-sī Ló-má ê huat-tō͘….Tsin put-liông…..

2008/6/5 Kiatgak Lau :

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Lí kóng--ê bô m̄-tio̍h.

M̄-koh, ū 2 ê kipún koanliām ài têngchheng:

(1) Gígiân boh ēng símmih bûnjī siá sī ētàng soánte̍k--ê.  Hōlóoē ēng lômájī siá tō ūkàu a, bô tiāⁿtio̍h ài ēng hànjī.

(2) Gígiân sī ē iánpiàn--ê, tó͘kiông boh chhoē "chinchiàⁿ", "goânpún" ê jīgoân, ìgī bô toā.

Kín khì kā lí kóng--ê chiahê "Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng.  M̄bat Hànjī

ê Tâgúlâng.  Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān 
só͘chāi ê

Tâigúlâng. Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng." kóng ē oē ēng lômájī kìlio̍k--khílâi, chiah sī siāng iàukín--ê.

Chhiáⁿ chhamkhó.

Kiatgak 2008-06-05

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:09 PM, gugarn.giatou

wrote:

> Lâu siàn, > > Koh kóngchi̍tgê 
phínchit putliông ê lē: > Lán Tâioânōe "chin kín ê sîkan" 
ūlâng kóng Hànjī sī "連鞭". > Ai-ioh!  Chinchiàⁿ thak 
bōelo̍hkhì. > Siatsú chèngkhakê Rômájī sī "liap-nih". > 
Chhun ánne āutē kiáⁿsun khoàⁿtio̍h Hànjī "連鞭" boh 
chhōetńglâi > "liap-nih" to̍h chiâⁿpiàⁿē.  Thiaⁿtio̍h 
kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ēng > Rômájī siá khílâi sī "liam-piⁿ", 
"liam-mi̍h", ... , boh > chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" ê kihōe sī 
khahtoā.  Tio̍h--bô? > Tngtangsî i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" ê 
sî, hoānsè hoaⁿhí kah > poa̍hpoa̍h--tó, inūi i 功在台語. 
 Sūsi̍tsiōng "chin kín ê sîkan" lán > chitmá ê kónghoat 
siatsú chinchiàⁿ sī "liap-nih" ê impiàn, ánne i > siá Hànjī 
sī "連鞭" m̄to̍hsīteh 遺禍子孫? :p > > Chhōe Hànjī chinchiàⁿ ài 
sīntiōng, mài biánkióng.  Ke khì mn̄g > chi̍tkoálâng 
chiah lo̍hpit.  Chhun: Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng.  M̄bat 
Hànjī > ê Tâgúlâng.  Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān 
só͘chāi ê Tâigúlâng. > Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng. 
 Mài kannā khoàⁿ kúipún > kó͘cháchheh to̍hlâi 閉門造車. 
 Nābô ōe kālângê kungoân lóng > chhòchhòtiāu. 
 Ánne sī teh tn̄g lângê kun, tn̄g lângê chúilō͘, > sī 
lēnggoā chi̍tchióng bia̍tlâng gúgiân, bûnhoà ê to̍kpō͘ 
neh. > Goá ài phínchit hó ê Tâigí Hànjī ê goânin tio̍hsī 
ánne niā. > >

> Chhoà Kimêng > > > ----- Original 
Message -----

> From: "Kiatgak Lau" 

> To: "gugarn.giatou"  > 
Cc: "Taigubang-02" 

> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:05 AM > 
Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia 
Lo-ma-ji. > >

>> Kimêng hiaⁿ, >> >>> 
Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê >>> Tâigú Hànjī ê 
bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê 
mi̍hkiāⁿ"! >> >> Chin chhimji̍p ê sukhó!  Chiâⁿ ta̍t 
tit chò Tâigúbûn ūntōng ê lâng >> chhamkhó! >> >> 
Kiatgak >> 2008-06-04 >> >>

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:08 PM, gugarn.giatou

>>  
wrote: >>>




>>> Lâu siàn, 
Pêngan! >>> >>> Goá khì 
chhītiûⁿ >>> khoàⁿtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ, khai tāmpo̍há chîⁿ 
kāi bóe lâi ēng, >>> chūánne sengoa̍h ūthangsîá ōe tè 
tit piànhoà, 多采多姿. >>> M̄koh khoàⁿtio̍h phínchit putliông 
ê mi̍hkiāⁿ, goá khólêng >>> chi̍tsián chîⁿ to 
bōechhutē.  Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê >>> 
Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê 
mi̍hkiāⁿ"! >>> Koh khah tiōngiàuê sī, lán chiahnihá 
iōngsim kèkàu teh thoân ê >>> Tâioânōe kóng sī ánne 
... , lóng bô lánê "lênghûn", kám >>> 
iâuū >>> thoân ê pitiàu?  為"誰"辛苦為"誰"忙? 
 Hianihákú to lóng bô Hájī >>> kám 
ū >>> chha kah chitkúinî?  Hànjī bānbāná chhē, 
Lômájī toātoā sak. >>> Tī lán téng chi̍tûn ê lâng 
lóng iâu chāisiⁿ ê sî to̍h lóng >>> hō͘ >>> 
Lômájī phó͘phiànhoà kám m̄ hó?  Mài kóng pa̍thāng kannā 
kóng >>> tī bûnim ham gúim ígoā koh chhòng chi̍ttui 破音字 
kám hó? >>> Tn̄gtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ chho͘-khí-hông ōe hō͘ 
lâng kiaⁿhiâⁿ.  Lán >>> lóng bô hō͘i kah lán o̍h 
Tiongbûn siokâng ê sîkan kah kihōe. >>> Chitmá lán teh 
súiōng Lômájī nā bô lísióng ê piáuhiān sī >>> 
pitjiânē, engkaiē.  Lán ài goânliōng pa̍tlâng, mā 
ài >>> goânliōng >>> kakī ê chhiⁿso͘ bôse̍k, 
m̄thang chekpī kakī.  Choattùi ēng pí >>> o̍h Hànjī 
khahchió ê sînkan kah chengsîn lán to̍h o̍h ōehiáu >>> 
Tâigú Lômájī loh.  Goá púnlâng tùi Tâigú 
Lômájī >>> júlâijúse̍k >>> to̍hsi kàihó ê 
chi̍tgê lē! >>>

>>> Chhoà 
Kimêng >>> >>> ----- Original Message 
-----

>>> From: "Kiatgak Lau" 

>>> To: "gugarn.giatou"  >>> 
Cc: "Taigubang-02"  >>> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:28 AM

>>> Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe 
thak, sia Lo-ma-ji. >>>>

>>>> Kimêng hiaⁿ 
pêngan, >>>> >>>>> Sin o̍h chi̍thāng 
mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok >>>>> hoaⁿhí ê 
tāichì. >>>> >>>> Chin chán ê koanliām, kóng 
liáu chiâⁿ hó. Ke o̍h 1 hāng mi̍hkiāⁿ, tō >>>> ke 1 hāng 
soánte̍k, tō ke khah chūiû. >>>> >>>> Chin chē 
chútiuⁿ ēng hànjī ê lâng, katī ê koanliām hō͘ hànjī 
pa̍ksí >>>> koh m̄ chai. Beh ēng m̄ ēng LMJ sī koanliām 
(thàitō͘) ê būntê. >>>> >>>> 
Kiatgak >>>> 
2008-06-03 >>>>

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, gugarn.giatou

>>>>  
wrote: >>>>>




>>>>> Kokūi 
hiaⁿ-ché, >>>>> >>>>> Lômájī tah hit 
kúijī niā. >>>>> >>>>> Goá sī 
Tâigílâng.  Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah 
o̍h >>>>> oēhiáu >>>>> chi̍tjī 
Lômájī niā.  Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h 
ta̍kjī >>>>> lóng >>>>> 
o̍h >>>>> oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē 
tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ >>>>> siá, chhun kāi liū 
hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì 
niā. >>>>> >>>>> Goá m̄sī 
Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná.  Nā ánne kannā o̍h 
choân >>>>> Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân Hànjī--ê 
a̍hsī Hànlô >>>>> thàulām--ê >>>>> 
kekhah kántan? >>>>> Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū 
púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字". >>>>> Chitjī Hànjī 
koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu mā >>>>> 
khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu khólêng ài siⁿchhut 
chiokchoē >>>>> lán >>>>> chia 
"gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê im.  Chi̍tjījī 
ū >>>>> chia̍hchoē >>>>> im, 
chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng "意象".  Sînkengkun ài 
chiok >>>>> toātiâu. >>>>> Ha̍khāu 
a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò 
niā. >>>>> Ta̍kgêlâng ê kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà 
Lômájī kùikang to̍h >>>>> 
kàoân, >>>>> to̍h oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô. 
 Kóng o̍hliáu Lômájī >>>>> liáuāu thiaukang 
kohchài lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá >>>>> 
gō͘choā >>>>> cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah, 
 ánne chiongkuibé sī >>>>> 
siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) >>>>> khah 
chânjím? >>>>> >>>>> Hànjī 
bānbāná chhoē! >>>>> M̄thang kannā chhoē chi̍tkoá 
Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá goânji >>>>> 
ê >>>>> chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām ... 
lóng bôkhì loh! >>>>> Chesī >>>>> 
teh >>>>> kāng Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, sī 
teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī >>>>> teh >>>>> 
chān lánê Tâigí. >>>>> Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh 
siongsìn?  Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh lâi >>>>> 
hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h 
khì >>>>> piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù. 
 "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng >>>>> 
"pùnsò >>>>> hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù.  "Kak" 
ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi >>>>> 
káiseh >>>>> chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē 
chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi >>>>> 
m̄sī >>>>> "ka̍k".  Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā ài 
ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū >>>>> 
hósim. >>>>> Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h hia 
Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut >>>>> 
Tâigí >>>>> ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, koh 
gâu kúināchheng poē. >>>>> Lômájī ēng hō͘i 
koànsì!  Hànjī bānbāná 
chhoē! >>>>> >>>>> Lán Tâigí chitmá 
iōngsim kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó kiám >>>>> 
hó?  Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 ...，而終 ...。) khaisí 
a̍hkhì >>>>> kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng 
o̍h oēhiáu ēng Lômájī >>>>> 
leh? >>>>> Chi̍tgê ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī 
chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ >>>>> 
ê >>>>> Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘.  Jîchhiáⁿ 
in chit-ûn ê lâng nā >>>>> sí-oân, lán kàusî 
nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē 
mā

bôkhólêng.  Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán thoa, m̄chai

>>>>> sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ 
kî. >>>>> >>>>> Hànjī m̄bián kiaⁿ 
o̍h bô.  Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh o̍h >>>>> 
chiokchoē tang--ê.  Sin o̍h chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī 
chi̍tchióng >>>>> chiok >>>>> hoaⁿhí 
ê tāichì.  Chiū lán Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng 
Lômájī >>>>> chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi 
piáusī lán chá to̍h bat ê >>>>> mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok 
kántan!   Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ >>>>> 
kakī >>>>> kihoē toh 
oē-ēng--ê. >>>>> >>>>> Chhoà 
Kimêng >>>>> 
> >>>>> >>>> >>>> 
>> >>>> >> >> 
>> >> > >

--

Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

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Re: Re: [tgb] Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: gugarn.giatou
Date: 2008-06-08 23:08:25

Lau5-sian3,

 

Li e Jitpun le7 kah kuihang konghoat goa long khoannkoe liaukai loh, goa koatteng m hamli kohchai chhiau-poann5(Goa oanchoan chiapsiu li e iongsim, mkoh bo itteng tong-i li e konghoat.). Uitioh m jukongjihng ma boe bu2 bu7-khi3 goa teh kong e tiongtiam, phaise goa ka i thiaukoe.

 

Tiohlah, Jitpun bo chhun lan koh ke chitge "kokgi".

  

Lan sou phainn7 e Hanji e souliong ikeng ukauchoe ah.  Chitma uitioh Taioanji koh lai kechhutlaie Hanji e souliong choattui oe pi Lomaji jibo e souliong koh ke chiokchoepoe.  Homihkhou chu-chhoe-ma-hoan!  Lan na Hanji lau hou Tiongbun,  Taibun kanna eng Lomaji tohho, lan oe seng2 goachoe lan takke e sikan, khuilat, chugoan, …, tengteng?  Eng hia sou-seng2--e lai hoattian pathang, mchai tui lan e chinpou oe u goatoa?  Engkai ma boe koh u gaigioh, tintann, koh u chhun 鬥陣,夯,槓龜, …, chitkhoan bochuichun e Taioanoe e Hanji lai chhuthian.  Enghiong chougai choechoe ma bat Hanji e Taigulang e haksip, chiapsiu.  Phinchit putliong e mihkiann chinchiann toe boetioh sinmihkiann.

 

Chhoa Kimeng

----- Original Message -----

From: Lau Seng-hian

To: 台語網

Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:34 AM

Subject: [tgb] Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Guá bô liáu-kái tse kap Ji̍t-pún sī m̄-sī kan-taⁿ 1 tsióng gí-giân ū siáⁿ-mih kuan-hē. M̄-koh, lán nā sī kā bûn-giân Hàn-gí tòng-tsò 1 tsióng gí-giân, lán sīm-tsì ē-tàng kóng Ji̍t-pún ê kàu-io̍k--ni̍h, mā ū Ji̍t-gí í-guā ê gí-giân, in-ūi Ji̍t-pún ê ko-tiong-sing mā tio̍h tha̍k bûn-giân Hàn-gí ê king-tián, sui-jiân sò͘-liōng pí Tâi-uân kiám tsiok tsē, tsóng-- sī, tse sī sū-si̍t, kó͘-tián Hàn-bûn sī Ji̍t-pún bûn-huà kap gí- giân ê tsi̍t-pō͘-hūn.

Guá án-ne kóng mā sī lī-tê--a, taⁿ kóng tò tńg--lâi, kò-jîn jīn-uî, m̄-kuán sī "lô-má-jī" ia̍h "Hàn-jī", kiù-khàm "pún-jī",

kap "tong-guân-tshe" ê ho͘-im (huat-im), he lóng sī gí-giân ha̍k-ka kap li̍k-sú ha̍k-ka ê khang-khuè, tsiâⁿ-tsò 1 ê it-puaⁿ ê sú-iōng-tsiá, bô ìng-kai the̍h tse tsò lí-iû lâi phue-phîng  "iōng-jī" ê "tsìng-tong-sìng", bô--tsiá, he kiat-kó tō-sī lán beh hió-jīn gí-giân pún-sin in-ūi sî-kan só tsō-sîng ê "gí-im" kap " sû-ì" ê tsū-jiân piàn-huà, hi̍k-tsiá-sī beh tùi-ke̍h "hùn-iōng" ê tsò-huat, kò-jîn kám-kak tse tsin bô ì-gī.

Tuì gí-giân ê ián-piàn lâi kóng, lán lóng sī Tâi-gí ê sú-iōng-tsiá, lán tong-jiân ē-tàng thàu-kuè lán ê sú-iōng, lâi íng-hióng Tâi-gí ho͘-im kap sû-ì tíng-tíng ê huat-tián, m̄-koh he tsua̍t-tuì bē-tàng īng-tsò phue-phîng "tsìng-tong-sìng" ê lō͘-iōng, in-uī tsin kî-kuài, mā bô ha̍p tī sū-si̍t.

Lán tńg lâi "hùn-iōng" (訓用) tsit-ê tsân-bīn lâi kóng, nā tsún kóng  "hùn-iòng"(訓用) tō ē tsò-sîng ho͘-im kap sû-guân khe-khó ê būn- tê, án-ne Ji̍p-pún tsua̍t-tuì ài sing tshut būn-tê.

Í-siōng.

2008/6/6 gugarn.giatou :

Lán kám ū ham Ji̍tpún siosiâng ánne, 
kokka kannā chi̍tchióng gígiân niā?

 

Chitmáê Tâibûn ū chinchoē 
Hànjī chinchiàⁿ sī putliông sánphín, mài chhoē 
chí-lah-hú-lah ê líiû lâi tôphiah káipiàn, chiah oē 
kèsio̍k chìnpō͘ oânbí, hō͘lâng kamgoān 
chia̍psiū.

 

Chhoà Kimêng


  
  

  
  ----- Original Message ----- 

  **From:** 
  Lau Seng-hian 

  **To:** 台語網 

  **Sent:** Thursday, June 05, 2008 6:32 PM

  **Subject:** [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia 
  Lo-ma-ji.

Tsiàu án-ne lâi siūⁿ, Ji̍t-pún hàn-jī tō sī phín-tsit tsin bái, tsin put-liông??? Ji̍t-bûn hàn-jī tuā-pō͘-hūn lóng sī tshú hùn-iōng-jī, bô kuán sû-guân, mā bô tsiok tsiàu Tiong-kok hàn-jī ê jī-ì.

Koh ū, Ing-kok, Huat-kok, Sūi-tián in teh īng lô-má-jī, mā kāng-khuán tsin put-liông, in-uī he lô-má-jī ê īng-huat, bô tsun-thàn huat-bîng lô-má-jī ê Phoenicia "guân-té" ê sú-iōng, mā bô tsiâu thàn Hi-lia̍p iah-tsiá-sī Ló-má ê huat-tō͘….Tsin put-liông…..

  2008/6/5 Kiatgak Lau :

  Kimêng 
    hiaⁿ,

Lí kóng--ê bô m̄-tio̍h.

M̄-koh, ū 2 ê kipún koanliām ài têngchheng:

(1) Gígiân boh ēng símmih bûnjī siá sī ētàng soánte̍k--ê.  Hōlóoē ēng lômájī siá tō ūkàu a, bô tiāⁿtio̍h ài ēng hànjī.

(2) Gígiân sī ē iánpiàn--ê, tó͘kiông boh chhoē "chinchiàⁿ", "goânpún" ê jīgoân, ìgī bô toā.

Kín khì kā lí kóng--ê chiahê "Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng.  M̄bat Hànjī

    ê Tâgúlâng.  Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān só͘chāi 
    ê

Tâigúlâng. Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng." kóng ē oē ēng lômájī kìlio̍k--khílâi, chiah sī siāng iàukín--ê.

Chhiáⁿ chhamkhó.

Kiatgak 2008-06-05

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:09 PM, gugarn.giatou

     wrote:

    > Lâu siàn, > > Koh kóngchi̍tgê phínchit 
    putliông ê lē: > Lán Tâioânōe "chin kín ê sîkan" ūlâng 
    kóng Hànjī sī "連鞭". > Ai-ioh!  Chinchiàⁿ thak 
    bōelo̍hkhì. > Siatsú chèngkhakê Rômájī sī 
    "liap-nih". > Chhun ánne āutē kiáⁿsun khoàⁿtio̍h Hànjī "連鞭" 
    boh chhōetńglâi > "liap-nih" to̍h chiâⁿpiàⁿē. 
     Thiaⁿtio̍h kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ēng > Rômájī siá 
    khílâi sī "liam-piⁿ", "liam-mi̍h", ... , boh > chhōetńglâi 
    "liap-nih" ê kihōe sī khahtoā.  Tio̍h--bô? > Tngtangsî 
    i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" ê sî, hoānsè hoaⁿhí kah > 
    poa̍hpoa̍h--tó, inūi i 功在台語.  Sūsi̍tsiōng "chin kín ê sîkan" 
    lán > chitmá ê kónghoat siatsú chinchiàⁿ sī "liap-nih" ê 
    impiàn, ánne i > siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" m̄to̍hsīteh 遺禍子孫? 
    :p > > Chhōe Hànjī chinchiàⁿ ài sīntiōng, mài 
    biánkióng.  Ke khì mn̄g > chi̍tkoálâng chiah lo̍hpit. 
     Chhun: Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng.  M̄bat Hànjī > ê 
    Tâgúlâng.  Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān só͘chāi ê 
    Tâigúlâng. > Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng.  Mài 
    kannā khoàⁿ kúipún > kó͘cháchheh to̍hlâi 閉門造車.  Nābô 
    ōe kālângê kungoân lóng > chhòchhòtiāu.  Ánne sī 
    teh tn̄g lângê kun, tn̄g lângê chúilō͘, > sī lēnggoā 
    chi̍tchióng bia̍tlâng gúgiân, bûnhoà ê to̍kpō͘ neh. > Goá 
    ài phínchit hó ê Tâigí Hànjī ê goânin tio̍hsī ánne 
    niā. > >

    > Chhoà Kimêng > > > ----- Original Message 
    -----

    > From: "Kiatgak Lau" 

    > To: "gugarn.giatou"  > Cc: 
    "Taigubang-02" 

    > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:05 AM > Subject: [tgb] 
    Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia 
    Lo-ma-ji. > >

    >> Kimêng hiaⁿ, >> >>> Chāmtiāu lán 
    Tâigú kungoân ê >>> Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong 
    to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"! >> >> Chin 
    chhimji̍p ê sukhó!  Chiâⁿ ta̍t tit chò Tâigúbûn ūntōng ê 
    lâng >> chhamkhó! >> >> Kiatgak >> 
    2008-06-04 >> >>

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:08 PM, gugarn.giatou

    >>  
    wrote: >>>

    
    

    >>> Lâu siàn, Pêngan! >>> >>> 
    Goá khì chhītiûⁿ >>> khoàⁿtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ, khai 
    tāmpo̍há chîⁿ kāi bóe lâi ēng, >>> chūánne sengoa̍h 
    ūthangsîá ōe tè tit piànhoà, 多采多姿. >>> M̄koh 
    khoàⁿtio̍h phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ, goá 
    khólêng >>> chi̍tsián chîⁿ to bōechhutē. 
     Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê >>> Tâigú 
    Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê 
    mi̍hkiāⁿ"! >>> Koh khah tiōngiàuê sī, lán chiahnihá 
    iōngsim kèkàu teh thoân ê >>> Tâioânōe kóng sī 
    ánne ... , lóng bô lánê "lênghûn", kám >>> 
    iâuū >>> thoân ê pitiàu?  為"誰"辛苦為"誰"忙? 
     Hianihákú to lóng bô Hájī >>> kám 
    ū >>> chha kah chitkúinî?  Hànjī bānbāná chhē, 
    Lômájī toātoā sak. >>> Tī lán téng chi̍tûn ê lâng 
    lóng iâu chāisiⁿ ê sî to̍h lóng >>> 
    hō͘ >>> Lômájī phó͘phiànhoà kám m̄ hó?  Mài 
    kóng pa̍thāng kannā kóng >>> tī bûnim ham gúim ígoā 
    koh chhòng chi̍ttui 破音字 kám hó? >>> Tn̄gtio̍h 
    sinmi̍hkiāⁿ chho͘-khí-hông ōe hō͘ lâng kiaⁿhiâⁿ. 
     Lán >>> lóng bô hō͘i kah lán o̍h Tiongbûn 
    siokâng ê sîkan kah kihōe. >>> Chitmá lán teh súiōng 
    Lômájī nā bô lísióng ê piáuhiān sī >>> 
    pitjiânē, engkaiē.  Lán ài goânliōng pa̍tlâng, mā 
    ài >>> goânliōng >>> kakī ê chhiⁿso͘ 
    bôse̍k, m̄thang chekpī kakī.  Choattùi ēng pí >>> 
    o̍h Hànjī khahchió ê sînkan kah chengsîn lán to̍h o̍h 
    ōehiáu >>> Tâigú Lômájī loh.  Goá púnlâng 
    tùi Tâigú Lômájī >>> júlâijúse̍k >>> 
    to̍hsi kàihó ê chi̍tgê lē! >>>

    >>> Chhoà Kimêng >>> >>> ----- 
    Original Message -----

    >>> From: "Kiatgak Lau" 

    >>> To: "gugarn.giatou"  >>> Cc: 
    "Taigubang-02"  >>> Sent: 
    Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:28 AM

    >>> Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia 
    Lo-ma-ji. >>>>

    >>>> Kimêng hiaⁿ 
    pêngan, >>>> >>>>> Sin o̍h chi̍thāng 
    mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok >>>>> hoaⁿhí ê 
    tāichì. >>>> >>>> Chin chán ê koanliām, 
    kóng liáu chiâⁿ hó. Ke o̍h 1 hāng mi̍hkiāⁿ, tō >>>> ke 1 
    hāng soánte̍k, tō ke khah chūiû. >>>> >>>> 
    Chin chē chútiuⁿ ēng hànjī ê lâng, katī ê koanliām hō͘ hànjī 
    pa̍ksí >>>> koh m̄ chai. Beh ēng m̄ ēng LMJ sī koanliām 
    (thàitō͘) ê būntê. >>>> >>>> 
    Kiatgak >>>> 
    2008-06-03 >>>>

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, gugarn.giatou

    >>>>  
    wrote: >>>>>

    
    

    >>>>> Kokūi 
    hiaⁿ-ché, >>>>> >>>>> Lômájī tah 
    hit kúijī niā. >>>>> >>>>> Goá 
    sī Tâigílâng.  Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah 
    o̍h >>>>> oēhiáu >>>>> chi̍tjī 
    Lômájī niā.  Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h 
    ta̍kjī >>>>> lóng >>>>> 
    o̍h >>>>> oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē 
    tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ >>>>> siá, chhun kāi 
    liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì 
    niā. >>>>> >>>>> Goá m̄sī 
    Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná.  Nā ánne kannā o̍h 
    choân >>>>> Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân 
    Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô >>>>> 
    thàulām--ê >>>>> kekhah 
    kántan? >>>>> Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū 
    púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字". >>>>> Chitjī 
    Hànjī koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu 
    mā >>>>> khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu 
    khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē >>>>> 
    lán >>>>> chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê 
    im.  Chi̍tjījī ū >>>>> 
    chia̍hchoē >>>>> im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng 
    "意象".  Sînkengkun ài chiok >>>>> 
    toātiâu. >>>>> Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà 
    chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā. >>>>> Ta̍kgêlâng ê 
    kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang 
    to̍h >>>>> kàoân, >>>>> to̍h 
    oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô.  Kóng o̍hliáu 
    Lômájī >>>>> liáuāu thiaukang kohchài lia̍hin 
    lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá >>>>> 
    gō͘choā >>>>> cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah, 
     ánne chiongkuibé sī >>>>> 
    siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) >>>>> khah 
    chânjím? >>>>> >>>>> Hànjī 
    bānbāná chhoē! >>>>> M̄thang kannā chhoē 
    chi̍tkoá Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá 
    goânji >>>>> ê >>>>> chengsîn, 
    lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām ... lóng bôkhì 
    loh! >>>>> Chesī >>>>> 
    teh >>>>> kāng Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, 
    sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī >>>>> 
    teh >>>>> chān lánê 
    Tâigí. >>>>> Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh 
    siongsìn?  Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh lâi >>>>> 
    hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h 
    khì >>>>> piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù. 
     "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng >>>>> 
    "pùnsò >>>>> hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù. 
     "Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi >>>>> 
    káiseh >>>>> chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē 
    chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi >>>>> 
    m̄sī >>>>> "ka̍k".  Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā 
    ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū >>>>> 
    hósim. >>>>> Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h 
    hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut >>>>> 
    Tâigí >>>>> ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, 
    koh gâu kúināchheng poē. >>>>> Lômájī ēng 
    hō͘i koànsì!  Hànjī bānbāná 
    chhoē! >>>>> >>>>> Lán Tâigí 
    chitmá iōngsim kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó 
    kiám >>>>> hó?  Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 
    ...，而終 ...。) khaisí a̍hkhì >>>>> kokchngthâu, 
    siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng 
    Lômájī >>>>> leh? >>>>> Chi̍tgê 
    ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī chi̍tchō phongphài, 
    chhiaiāⁿ >>>>> ê >>>>> Tâigi 
    gísû ê chuliāukhò͘.  Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng 
    nā >>>>> sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng 
    Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē mā

    bôkhólêng.  Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán 
    thoa, m̄chai

    >>>>> sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ 
    kî. >>>>> >>>>> Hànjī m̄bián 
    kiaⁿ o̍h bô.  Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh 
    o̍h >>>>> chiokchoē tang--ê.  Sin o̍h 
    chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng >>>>> 
    chiok >>>>> hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.  Chiū lán 
    Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī >>>>> chísī 
    chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat 
    ê >>>>> mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan!   
    Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ >>>>> 
    kakī >>>>> kihoē toh 
    oē-ēng--ê. >>>>> >>>>> Chhoà 
    Kimêng >>>>> 
    > >>>>> >>>> >>>> 
    >> >>>> >> >> 
    >> >> > >

--

Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

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Re: Re: [tgb] Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: Lau Seng-hian
Date: 2008-06-08 23:24:47

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Nā sī Tâi-uân ū tsâi-tiāu tshin-tshiūⁿ Ua̍t-lâm án-ne kā Tâi-bûn tsuân lô-má-jī huà, guá tsin tsàn-sîng, guá ū ì-kiàn--ê, sī tshù-sū (priority) kap lūn-lí ê pōo-hūn.

Kóng Hàn-jī lo̍k-ngóo, bô hāu-lu̍t, guá mā tông-ì, m̄-koh

beh kóng "Tâi-gí Hàn-jī" hōo lâng bô tsúi-tsún ê kám-kak , sóo-í tio̍h hùi Hàn-jī, tse bô tsin ū lí-khì, in-ūi, Tâi-gí pún- sin, m̄-kuán sī īng siáⁿ-mih khuán su-siá-huat, ē hōo lâng khuàⁿ bô tī ba̍k-tē, he pīng m̄-sī tan-sûn-tik "sú-iōng toh-tsi̍t-

tsiòng kang-khū lâi su-siá" ê būn-tê, sī ì-sik-hîng-thài ê būn- tê.

Kāng-khuán, guá mā bô tsàn-sîng "īng Lô-má-jī" ē-tàng uân- tsuân pó-liû tsiâu-tsn̂g ê Tâi-gí ê kóng-huat, tī tsia tō bô koh

ke-uē--a.

To-siā.

2008/6/8 gugarn.giatou :

Lau5-sian3,

 

Li e Jitpun le7 kah kuihang konghoat goa long khoannkoe liaukai loh, goa koatteng m hamli kohchai chhiau-poann5(Goa oanchoan chiapsiu li e iongsim, mkoh bo itteng tong-i li e konghoat.). Uitioh m jukongjihng ma boe bu2 bu7-khi3 goa teh kong e tiongtiam, phaise goa ka i thiaukoe.

 

Tiohlah, Jitpun bo chhun lan koh ke chitge "kokgi".

  

Lan sou phainn7 e Hanji e souliong ikeng ukauchoe ah.  Chitma uitioh Taioanji koh lai kechhutlaie Hanji e souliong choattui oe pi Lomaji jibo e souliong koh ke chiokchoepoe.  Homihkhou chu-chhoe-ma-hoan!  Lan na Hanji lau hou Tiongbun,  Taibun kanna eng Lomaji tohho, lan oe seng2 goachoe lan takke e sikan, khuilat, chugoan, …, tengteng?  Eng hia sou-seng2--e lai hoattian pathang, mchai tui lan e chinpou oe u goatoa?  Engkai ma boe koh u gaigioh, tintann, koh u chhun 鬥陣,夯,槓龜, …, chitkhoan bochuichun e Taioanoe e Hanji lai chhuthian.  Enghiong chougai choechoe ma bat Hanji e Taigulang e haksip, chiapsiu.  Phinchit putliong e mihkiann chinchiann toe boetioh sinmihkiann.

 

Chhoa Kimeng

----- Original Message -----

From: Lau Seng-hian

To: 台語網

Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:34 AM

Subject: [tgb] Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Guá bô liáu-kái tse kap Ji̍t-pún sī m̄-sī kan-taⁿ 1 tsióng gí-giân ū siáⁿ-mih kuan-hē. M̄-koh, lán nā sī kā bûn-giân Hàn-gí tòng-tsò 1 tsióng gí-giân, lán sīm-tsì ē-tàng kóng Ji̍t-pún ê kàu-io̍k--ni̍h, mā ū Ji̍t-gí í-guā ê gí-giân, in-ūi Ji̍t-pún ê ko-tiong-sing mā tio̍h tha̍k bûn-giân Hàn-gí ê king-tián, sui-jiân sò͘-liōng pí Tâi-uân kiám tsiok tsē, tsóng-- sī, tse sī sū-si̍t, kó͘-tián Hàn-bûn sī Ji̍t-pún bûn-huà kap gí- giân ê tsi̍t-pō͘-hūn.

Guá án-ne kóng mā sī lī-tê--a, taⁿ kóng tò tńg--lâi, kò-jîn jīn-uî, m̄-kuán sī "lô-má-jī" ia̍h "Hàn-jī", kiù-khàm "pún-jī",

kap "tong-guân-tshe" ê ho͘-im (huat-im), he lóng sī gí-giân ha̍k-ka kap li̍k-sú ha̍k-ka ê khang-khuè, tsiâⁿ-tsò 1 ê it-puaⁿ ê sú-iōng-tsiá, bô ìng-kai the̍h tse tsò lí-iû lâi phue-phîng  "iōng-jī" ê "tsìng-tong-sìng", bô--tsiá, he kiat-kó tō-sī lán beh hió-jīn gí-giân pún-sin in-ūi sî-kan só tsō-sîng ê "gí-im" kap " sû-ì" ê tsū-jiân piàn-huà, hi̍k-tsiá-sī beh tùi-ke̍h "hùn-iōng" ê tsò-huat, kò-jîn kám-kak tse tsin bô ì-gī.

Tuì gí-giân ê ián-piàn lâi kóng, lán lóng sī Tâi-gí ê sú-iōng-tsiá, lán tong-jiân ē-tàng thàu-kuè lán ê sú-iōng, lâi íng-hióng Tâi-gí ho͘-im kap sû-ì tíng-tíng ê huat-tián, m̄-koh he tsua̍t-tuì bē-tàng īng-tsò phue-phîng "tsìng-tong-sìng" ê lō͘-iōng, in-uī tsin kî-kuài, mā bô ha̍p tī sū-si̍t.

Lán tńg lâi "hùn-iōng" (訓用) tsit-ê tsân-bīn lâi kóng, nā tsún kóng  "hùn-iòng"(訓用) tō ē tsò-sîng ho͘-im kap sû-guân khe-khó ê būn- tê, án-ne Ji̍p-pún tsua̍t-tuì ài sing tshut būn-tê.

Í-siōng.

2008/6/6 gugarn.giatou :

Lán kám ū ham Ji̍tpún siosiâng ánne, 
kokka kannā chi̍tchióng gígiân niā?

 

Chitmáê Tâibûn ū chinchoē 
Hànjī chinchiàⁿ sī putliông sánphín, mài chhoē 
chí-lah-hú-lah ê líiû lâi tôphiah káipiàn, chiah oē 
kèsio̍k chìnpō͘ oânbí, hō͘lâng kamgoān 
chia̍psiū.

 

Chhoà Kimêng


  
  

  
  ----- Original Message ----- 

  **From:** 
  Lau Seng-hian 

  **To:** 台語網 

  **Sent:** Thursday, June 05, 2008 6:32 PM

  **Subject:** [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia 
  Lo-ma-ji.

Tsiàu án-ne lâi siūⁿ, Ji̍t-pún hàn-jī tō sī phín-tsit tsin bái, tsin put-liông??? Ji̍t-bûn hàn-jī tuā-pō͘-hūn lóng sī tshú hùn-iōng-jī, bô kuán sû-guân, mā bô tsiok tsiàu Tiong-kok hàn-jī ê jī-ì.

Koh ū, Ing-kok, Huat-kok, Sūi-tián in teh īng lô-má-jī, mā kāng-khuán tsin put-liông, in-uī he lô-má-jī ê īng-huat, bô tsun-thàn huat-bîng lô-má-jī ê Phoenicia "guân-té" ê sú-iōng, mā bô tsiâu thàn Hi-lia̍p iah-tsiá-sī Ló-má ê huat-tō͘….Tsin put-liông…..

  2008/6/5 Kiatgak Lau :

  Kimêng 
    hiaⁿ,

Lí kóng--ê bô m̄-tio̍h.

M̄-koh, ū 2 ê kipún koanliām ài têngchheng:

(1) Gígiân boh ēng símmih bûnjī siá sī ētàng soánte̍k--ê.  Hōlóoē ēng lômájī siá tō ūkàu a, bô tiāⁿtio̍h ài ēng hànjī.

(2) Gígiân sī ē iánpiàn--ê, tó͘kiông boh chhoē "chinchiàⁿ", "goânpún" ê jīgoân, ìgī bô toā.

Kín khì kā lí kóng--ê chiahê "Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng.  M̄bat Hànjī

    ê Tâgúlâng.  Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān só͘chāi 
    ê

Tâigúlâng. Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng." kóng ē oē ēng lômájī kìlio̍k--khílâi, chiah sī siāng iàukín--ê.

Chhiáⁿ chhamkhó.

Kiatgak 2008-06-05

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:09 PM, gugarn.giatou

     wrote:

    > Lâu siàn, > > Koh kóngchi̍tgê phínchit 
    putliông ê lē: > Lán Tâioânōe "chin kín ê sîkan" ūlâng 
    kóng Hànjī sī "連鞭". > Ai-ioh!  Chinchiàⁿ thak 
    bōelo̍hkhì. > Siatsú chèngkhakê Rômájī sī 
    "liap-nih". > Chhun ánne āutē kiáⁿsun khoàⁿtio̍h Hànjī "連鞭" 
    boh chhōetńglâi > "liap-nih" to̍h chiâⁿpiàⁿē. 
     Thiaⁿtio̍h kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ēng > Rômájī siá 
    khílâi sī "liam-piⁿ", "liam-mi̍h", ... , boh > chhōetńglâi 
    "liap-nih" ê kihōe sī khahtoā.  Tio̍h--bô? > Tngtangsî 
    i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" ê sî, hoānsè hoaⁿhí kah > 
    poa̍hpoa̍h--tó, inūi i 功在台語.  Sūsi̍tsiōng "chin kín ê sîkan" 
    lán > chitmá ê kónghoat siatsú chinchiàⁿ sī "liap-nih" ê 
    impiàn, ánne i > siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" m̄to̍hsīteh 遺禍子孫? 
    :p > > Chhōe Hànjī chinchiàⁿ ài sīntiōng, mài 
    biánkióng.  Ke khì mn̄g > chi̍tkoálâng chiah lo̍hpit. 
     Chhun: Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng.  M̄bat Hànjī > ê 
    Tâgúlâng.  Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān só͘chāi ê 
    Tâigúlâng. > Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng.  Mài 
    kannā khoàⁿ kúipún > kó͘cháchheh to̍hlâi 閉門造車.  Nābô 
    ōe kālângê kungoân lóng > chhòchhòtiāu.  Ánne sī 
    teh tn̄g lângê kun, tn̄g lângê chúilō͘, > sī lēnggoā 
    chi̍tchióng bia̍tlâng gúgiân, bûnhoà ê to̍kpō͘ neh. > Goá 
    ài phínchit hó ê Tâigí Hànjī ê goânin tio̍hsī ánne 
    niā. > >

    > Chhoà Kimêng > > > ----- Original Message 
    -----

    > From: "Kiatgak Lau" 

    > To: "gugarn.giatou"  > Cc: 
    "Taigubang-02" 

    > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:05 AM > Subject: [tgb] 
    Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia 
    Lo-ma-ji. > >

    >> Kimêng hiaⁿ, >> >>> Chāmtiāu lán 
    Tâigú kungoân ê >>> Tâigú Hànjī ê bûnchiong 
    to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ"! >> >> Chin 
    chhimji̍p ê sukhó!  Chiâⁿ ta̍t tit chò Tâigúbûn ūntōng ê 
    lâng >> chhamkhó! >> >> Kiatgak >> 
    2008-06-04 >> >>

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:08 PM, gugarn.giatou

    >>  
    wrote: >>>

    
    

    >>> Lâu siàn, Pêngan! >>> >>> 
    Goá khì chhītiûⁿ >>> khoàⁿtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ, khai 
    tāmpo̍há chîⁿ kāi bóe lâi ēng, >>> chūánne sengoa̍h 
    ūthangsîá ōe tè tit piànhoà, 多采多姿. >>> M̄koh 
    khoàⁿtio̍h phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ, goá 
    khólêng >>> chi̍tsián chîⁿ to bōechhutē. 
     Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê >>> Tâigú 
    Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê 
    mi̍hkiāⁿ"! >>> Koh khah tiōngiàuê sī, lán chiahnihá 
    iōngsim kèkàu teh thoân ê >>> Tâioânōe kóng sī 
    ánne ... , lóng bô lánê "lênghûn", kám >>> 
    iâuū >>> thoân ê pitiàu?  為"誰"辛苦為"誰"忙? 
     Hianihákú to lóng bô Hájī >>> kám 
    ū >>> chha kah chitkúinî?  Hànjī bānbāná chhē, 
    Lômájī toātoā sak. >>> Tī lán téng chi̍tûn ê lâng 
    lóng iâu chāisiⁿ ê sî to̍h lóng >>> 
    hō͘ >>> Lômájī phó͘phiànhoà kám m̄ hó?  Mài 
    kóng pa̍thāng kannā kóng >>> tī bûnim ham gúim ígoā 
    koh chhòng chi̍ttui 破音字 kám hó? >>> Tn̄gtio̍h 
    sinmi̍hkiāⁿ chho͘-khí-hông ōe hō͘ lâng kiaⁿhiâⁿ. 
     Lán >>> lóng bô hō͘i kah lán o̍h Tiongbûn 
    siokâng ê sîkan kah kihōe. >>> Chitmá lán teh súiōng 
    Lômájī nā bô lísióng ê piáuhiān sī >>> 
    pitjiânē, engkaiē.  Lán ài goânliōng pa̍tlâng, mā 
    ài >>> goânliōng >>> kakī ê chhiⁿso͘ 
    bôse̍k, m̄thang chekpī kakī.  Choattùi ēng pí >>> 
    o̍h Hànjī khahchió ê sînkan kah chengsîn lán to̍h o̍h 
    ōehiáu >>> Tâigú Lômájī loh.  Goá púnlâng 
    tùi Tâigú Lômájī >>> júlâijúse̍k >>> 
    to̍hsi kàihó ê chi̍tgê lē! >>>

    >>> Chhoà Kimêng >>> >>> ----- 
    Original Message -----

    >>> From: "Kiatgak Lau" 

    >>> To: "gugarn.giatou"  >>> Cc: 
    "Taigubang-02"  >>> Sent: 
    Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:28 AM

    >>> Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia 
    Lo-ma-ji. >>>>

    >>>> Kimêng hiaⁿ 
    pêngan, >>>> >>>>> Sin o̍h chi̍thāng 
    mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok >>>>> hoaⁿhí ê 
    tāichì. >>>> >>>> Chin chán ê koanliām, 
    kóng liáu chiâⁿ hó. Ke o̍h 1 hāng mi̍hkiāⁿ, tō >>>> ke 1 
    hāng soánte̍k, tō ke khah chūiû. >>>> >>>> 
    Chin chē chútiuⁿ ēng hànjī ê lâng, katī ê koanliām hō͘ hànjī 
    pa̍ksí >>>> koh m̄ chai. Beh ēng m̄ ēng LMJ sī koanliām 
    (thàitō͘) ê būntê. >>>> >>>> 
    Kiatgak >>>> 
    2008-06-03 >>>>

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, gugarn.giatou

    >>>>  
    wrote: >>>>>

    
    

    >>>>> Kokūi 
    hiaⁿ-ché, >>>>> >>>>> Lômájī tah 
    hit kúijī niā. >>>>> >>>>> Goá 
    sī Tâigílâng.  Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah 
    o̍h >>>>> oēhiáu >>>>> chi̍tjī 
    Lômájī niā.  Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h 
    ta̍kjī >>>>> lóng >>>>> 
    o̍h >>>>> oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun chhoēkihoē 
    tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ >>>>> siá, chhun kāi 
    liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì 
    niā. >>>>> >>>>> Goá m̄sī 
    Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná.  Nā ánne kannā o̍h 
    choân >>>>> Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân 
    Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô >>>>> 
    thàulām--ê >>>>> kekhah 
    kántan? >>>>> Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū 
    púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字". >>>>> Chitjī 
    Hànjī koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu 
    mā >>>>> khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu 
    khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē >>>>> 
    lán >>>>> chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin tha̍k ê 
    im.  Chi̍tjījī ū >>>>> 
    chia̍hchoē >>>>> im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī kóng 
    "意象".  Sînkengkun ài chiok >>>>> 
    toātiâu. >>>>> Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà 
    chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā. >>>>> Ta̍kgêlâng ê 
    kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang 
    to̍h >>>>> kàoân, >>>>> to̍h 
    oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô.  Kóng o̍hliáu 
    Lômájī >>>>> liáuāu thiaukang kohchài lia̍hin 
    lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá >>>>> 
    gō͘choā >>>>> cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah, 
     ánne chiongkuibé sī >>>>> 
    siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) >>>>> khah 
    chânjím? >>>>> >>>>> Hànjī 
    bānbāná chhoē! >>>>> M̄thang kannā chhoē 
    chi̍tkoá Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá 
    goânji >>>>> ê >>>>> chengsîn, 
    lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām ... lóng bôkhì 
    loh! >>>>> Chesī >>>>> 
    teh >>>>> kāng Tâigí ê kingoân chāmchāmtiāu, 
    sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī >>>>> 
    teh >>>>> chān lánê 
    Tâigí. >>>>> Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh 
    siongsìn?  Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh lâi >>>>> 
    hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h 
    khì >>>>> piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê ìsù. 
     "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng >>>>> 
    "pùnsò >>>>> hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù. 
     "Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi >>>>> 
    káiseh >>>>> chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē 
    chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi >>>>> 
    m̄sī >>>>> "ka̍k".  Tùi chitgê gígiân m̄niā 
    ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū >>>>> 
    hósim. >>>>> Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), khoàⁿtio̍h 
    hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut >>>>> 
    Tâigí >>>>> ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng gâu, 
    koh gâu kúināchheng poē. >>>>> Lômájī ēng 
    hō͘i koànsì!  Hànjī bānbāná 
    chhoē! >>>>> >>>>> Lán Tâigí 
    chitmá iōngsim kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó 
    kiám >>>>> hó?  Lán nám̄ ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 
    ...，而終 ...。) khaisí a̍hkhì >>>>> kokchngthâu, 
    siākhu kà ūhoè ê lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng 
    Lômájī >>>>> leh? >>>>> Chi̍tgê 
    ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī chi̍tchō phongphài, 
    chhiaiāⁿ >>>>> ê >>>>> Tâigi 
    gísû ê chuliāukhò͘.  Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng 
    nā >>>>> sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng 
    Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē mā

    bôkhólêng.  Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán 
    thoa, m̄chai

    >>>>> sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ 
    kî. >>>>> >>>>> Hànjī m̄bián 
    kiaⁿ o̍h bô.  Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh 
    o̍h >>>>> chiokchoē tang--ê.  Sin o̍h 
    chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng >>>>> 
    chiok >>>>> hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.  Chiū lán 
    Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī >>>>> chísī 
    chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat 
    ê >>>>> mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan!   
    Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ >>>>> 
    kakī >>>>> kihoē toh 
    oē-ēng--ê. >>>>> >>>>> Chhoà 
    Kimêng >>>>> 
    > >>>>> >>>> >>>> 
    >> >>>> >> >> 
    >> >> > >

--

Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: gugarn.giatou
Date: 2008-06-10 18:47:50

Lau5-sian3,

 

Lan e Taioanoe oe chhun Oatlam anne choan Romajihoa boe?  Phaise, goa mchai.  Mkoh na oetang ti binachai khaisi ahsi jukinjuho toh choan Romajihoa, li mthang siukhi, goa si jinui chinho!  Lan chitmae Taioanlang, lane kiannsun oe inui anne lai seng2 chiokchoe taichi.

 

Goa ti chia kongbeng chengtai lai kong:  Thoe3 Taigi chhoe ko-chuichun e Hanji oe chengka Taioanoe e chhimtou kah khoahtou, patlang goa mchai, goa na khoanntioh uchuichun e Taigi-Hanji goa oe hoannhi kah poahpoahto.  Goa ma jinui ke7-chuichun, chhinchhai chhoe, suipian chhoe, oupeh chhoe, oe houlang khoanntioh hitgelang si goa7 khinsi lane Taigi, hitchiong ji si 老鼠屎, hitgelang si teh 幫倒忙.  Soui goa kong Hanji banban chhoe, Romaji toatoa sak.  Simsi goa long anne kong?

 

Lie kitha konghoat, khoann u patlang boh chiap--bo?  Goa chinchiann koatteng m chhapchhiu, phaise.

 

Jitpunlang in kanne chitchiong gigian nia, in tui ine Hanji e im kah i3 si langlang kang sim--e.  Che ham lan inui leksu kah teli e koanhe tui lan teh eng e Hanji long teng7-heng5 e chengheng si siokang--e.  Lan chitma uitioh Taioanoe cho7 sin-Hanji lan mai kong oe anchoann, lan kanna kong eng hian-iu-e Hanji lai kai sin-e im, sin-e i3, lang Jitpunlang mbian anne cho, lan itteng ai eng Hanji lai cho, simsi oe choseng haksip kah chiapsiu e khunjiau?  Goa kong Hanji chinchiann lauhou Tiongbun tohho, Taioanoe eng Romaji toh chiok 完美 loh.  Che si siannmih isekhengthai?

 

Chhoa Kimeng   

----- Original Message -----

From: Lau Seng-hian

To: 台語網

Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 11:24 PM

Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Nā sī Tâi-uân ū tsâi-tiāu tshin-tshiūⁿ Ua̍t-lâm án-ne kā Tâi-bûn tsuân lô-má-jī huà, guá tsin tsàn-sîng, guá ū ì-kiàn--ê, sī tshù-sū (priority) kap lūn-lí ê pōo-hūn.

Kóng Hàn-jī lo̍k-ngóo, bô hāu-lu̍t, guá mā tông-ì, m̄-koh beh kóng "Tâi-gí Hàn-jī" hōo lâng bô tsúi-tsún ê kám-kak , sóo-í tio̍h hùi Hàn-jī, tse bô tsin ū lí-khì, in-ūi, Tâi-gí pún- sin, m̄-kuán sī īng siáⁿ-mih khuán su-siá-huat, ē hōo lâng khuàⁿ bô tī ba̍k-tē, he pīng m̄-sī tan-sûn-tik "sú-iōng toh-tsi̍t- tsiòng kang-khū lâi su-siá" ê būn-tê, sī ì-sik-hîng-thài ê būn- tê.

Kāng-khuán, guá mā bô tsàn-sîng "īng Lô-má-jī" ē-tàng uân- tsuân pó-liû tsiâu-tsn̂g ê Tâi-gí ê kóng-huat, tī tsia tō bô koh ke-uē--a.

To-siā.

2008/6/8 gugarn.giatou :

Lau5-sian3,

 

Li e Jitpun le7 kah kuihang konghoat goa 
long khoannkoe liaukai loh, goa koatteng m hamli kohchai 
chhiau-poann5(Goa oanchoan chiapsiu li e iongsim, mkoh bo itteng tong-i li e 
konghoat.). Uitioh m jukongjihng ma boe bu2 bu7-khi3 goa teh kong e 
tiongtiam, phaise goa ka i thiaukoe.

 

Tiohlah, Jitpun bo chhun lan koh ke chitge 
"kokgi".

  

Lan sou phainn7 e Hanji e 
souliong ikeng ukauchoe ah.  Chitma uitioh Taioanji koh lai 
kechhutlaie Hanji e souliong choattui oe pi Lomaji jibo e souliong 
koh ke chiokchoepoe.  Homihkhou chu-chhoe-ma-hoan!  Lan na Hanji 
lau hou Tiongbun,  Taibun kanna eng Lomaji tohho, lan oe seng2 goachoe 
lan takke e sikan, khuilat, chugoan, ..., tengteng?  Eng hia 
sou-seng2--e lai hoattian pathang, mchai tui lan e chinpou oe u 
goatoa?  Engkai ma boe koh u gaigioh, tintann, koh u chhun 
鬥陣,夯,槓龜, ..., chitkhoan bochuichun e Taioanoe e Hanji lai chhuthian.  
Enghiong chougai choechoe ma bat Hanji e Taigulang e haksip, chiapsiu.  
Phinchit putliong e mihkiann chinchiann toe 
boetioh sinmihkiann.

 

Chhoa Kimeng


  
  ----- Original Message ----- 

  **From:** 
  Lau Seng-hian 

  **To:** 台語網 

  
  

  
  **Sent:** Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:34 AM

  **Subject:** [tgb] Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia 
  Lo-ma-ji.

  

  Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Guá bô liáu-kái tse kap Ji̍t-pún sī m̄-sī kan-taⁿ 1 tsióng gí-giân ū siáⁿ-mih kuan-hē. M̄-koh, lán nā sī kā bûn-giân Hàn-gí tòng-tsò 1 tsióng gí-giân, lán sīm-tsì ē-tàng kóng Ji̍t-pún ê kàu-io̍k--ni̍h, mā ū Ji̍t-gí í-guā ê gí-giân, in-ūi Ji̍t-pún ê ko-tiong-sing mā tio̍h tha̍k bûn-giân Hàn-gí ê king-tián, sui-jiân sò͘-liōng pí Tâi-uân kiám tsiok tsē, tsóng-- sī, tse sī sū-si̍t, kó͘-tián Hàn-bûn sī Ji̍t-pún bûn-huà kap gí- giân ê tsi̍t-pō͘-hūn.

Guá án-ne kóng mā sī lī-tê--a, taⁿ kóng tò tńg--lâi, kò-jîn jīn-uî, m̄-kuán sī "lô-má-jī" ia̍h "Hàn-jī", kiù-khàm "pún-jī", kap "tong-guân-tshe" ê ho͘-im (huat-im), he lóng sī gí-giân ha̍k-ka kap li̍k-sú ha̍k-ka ê khang-khuè, tsiâⁿ-tsò 1 ê it-puaⁿ ê sú-iōng-tsiá, bô ìng-kai the̍h tse tsò lí-iû lâi phue-phîng  "iōng-jī" ê "tsìng-tong-sìng", bô--tsiá, he kiat-kó tō-sī lán beh hió-jīn gí-giân pún-sin in-ūi sî-kan só tsō-sîng ê "gí-im" kap " sû-ì" ê tsū-jiân piàn-huà, hi̍k-tsiá-sī beh tùi-ke̍h "hùn-iōng" ê tsò-huat, kò-jîn kám-kak tse tsin bô ì-gī.

Tuì gí-giân ê ián-piàn lâi kóng, lán lóng sī Tâi-gí ê sú-iōng-tsiá, lán tong-jiân ē-tàng thàu-kuè lán ê sú-iōng, lâi íng-hióng Tâi-gí ho͘-im kap sû-ì tíng-tíng ê huat-tián, m̄-koh he tsua̍t-tuì bē-tàng īng-tsò phue-phîng "tsìng-tong-sìng" ê lō͘-iōng, in-uī tsin kî-kuài, mā bô ha̍p tī sū-si̍t.

Lán tńg lâi "hùn-iōng" (訓用) tsit-ê tsân-bīn lâi kóng, nā tsún kóng  "hùn-iòng"(訓用) tō ē tsò-sîng ho͘-im kap sû-guân khe-khó ê būn- tê, án-ne Ji̍p-pún tsua̍t-tuì ài sing tshut būn-tê.

Í-siōng.

  2008/6/6 gugarn.giatou : 
  
  

  

  
    
    Lán kám ū ham Ji̍tpún siosiâng 
    ánne, kokka kannā chi̍tchióng gígiân niā?

     

    Chitmáê Tâibûn ū 
    chinchoē Hànjī chinchiàⁿ sī putliông sánphín, mài chhoē 
    chí-lah-hú-lah ê líiû lâi tôphiah káipiàn, chiah oē 
    kèsio̍k chìnpō͘ oânbí, hō͘lâng kamgoān 
    chia̍psiū.

     

    Chhoà Kimêng

    
      
      

      
      ----- Original Message ----- 

      **From:** 
      Lau Seng-hian 

      **To:** 台語網 

      **Sent:** Thursday, June 05, 2008 6:32 PM

      **Subject:** [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia 
      Lo-ma-ji.

Tsiàu án-ne lâi siūⁿ, Ji̍t-pún hàn-jī tō sī phín-tsit tsin bái, tsin put-liông??? Ji̍t-bûn hàn-jī tuā-pō͘-hūn lóng sī tshú hùn-iōng-jī, bô kuán sû-guân, mā bô tsiok tsiàu Tiong-kok hàn-jī ê jī-ì.

Koh ū, Ing-kok, Huat-kok, Sūi-tián in teh īng lô-má-jī, mā kāng-khuán tsin put-liông, in-uī he lô-má-jī ê īng-huat, bô tsun-thàn huat-bîng lô-má-jī ê Phoenicia "guân-té" ê sú-iōng, mā bô tsiâu thàn Hi-lia̍p iah-tsiá-sī Ló-má ê huat-tō͘….Tsin put-liông…..

      2008/6/5 Kiatgak Lau :

      Kimêng 
        hiaⁿ,

Lí kóng--ê bô m̄-tio̍h.

M̄-koh, ū 2 ê kipún koanliām ài têngchheng:

(1) Gígiân boh ēng símmih bûnjī siá sī ētàng soánte̍k--ê.  Hōlóoē ēng lômájī siá tō ūkàu a, bô tiāⁿtio̍h ài ēng hànjī.

(2) Gígiân sī ē iánpiàn--ê, tó͘kiông boh chhoē "chinchiàⁿ", "goânpún" ê jīgoân, ìgī bô toā.

Kín khì kā lí kóng--ê chiahê "Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng.  M̄bat Hànjī

        ê Tâgúlâng.  Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān só͘chāi 
        ê

Tâigúlâng. Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng." kóng ē oē ēng lômájī kìlio̍k--khílâi, chiah sī siāng iàukín--ê.

Chhiáⁿ chhamkhó.

Kiatgak 2008-06-05

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:09 PM, gugarn.giatou

         wrote:

        > Lâu siàn, > > Koh kóngchi̍tgê phínchit 
        putliông ê lē: > Lán Tâioânōe "chin kín ê sîkan" 
        ūlâng kóng Hànjī sī "連鞭". > Ai-ioh!  Chinchiàⁿ 
        thak bōelo̍hkhì. > Siatsú chèngkhakê Rômájī sī 
        "liap-nih". > Chhun ánne āutē kiáⁿsun khoàⁿtio̍h Hànjī 
        "連鞭" boh chhōetńglâi > "liap-nih" to̍h chiâⁿpiàⁿē. 
         Thiaⁿtio̍h kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ēng > Rômájī siá 
        khílâi sī "liam-piⁿ", "liam-mi̍h", ... , boh > 
        chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" ê kihōe sī khahtoā. 
         Tio̍h--bô? > Tngtangsî i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" ê sî, 
        hoānsè hoaⁿhí kah > poa̍hpoa̍h--tó, inūi i 功在台語. 
         Sūsi̍tsiōng "chin kín ê sîkan" lán > chitmá ê 
        kónghoat siatsú chinchiàⁿ sī "liap-nih" ê impiàn, ánne 
        i > siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" m̄to̍hsīteh 遺禍子孫? 
        :p > > Chhōe Hànjī chinchiàⁿ ài sīntiōng, mài 
        biánkióng.  Ke khì mn̄g > chi̍tkoálâng chiah 
        lo̍hpit.  Chhun: Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng.  M̄bat 
        Hànjī > ê Tâgúlâng.  Toà tī kauthong bô 
        hongpiān só͘chāi ê Tâigúlâng. > Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu 
        ê Tâigúlâng.  Mài kannā khoàⁿ kúipún > 
        kó͘cháchheh to̍hlâi 閉門造車.  Nābô ōe kālângê kungoân 
        lóng > chhòchhòtiāu.  Ánne sī teh tn̄g lângê kun, 
        tn̄g lângê chúilō͘, > sī lēnggoā chi̍tchióng 
        bia̍tlâng gúgiân, bûnhoà ê to̍kpō͘ neh. > Goá ài 
        phínchit hó ê Tâigí Hànjī ê goânin tio̍hsī ánne 
        niā. > >

        > Chhoà Kimêng > > > ----- Original 
        Message -----

        > From: "Kiatgak Lau" 

        > To: "gugarn.giatou"  > Cc: 
        "Taigubang-02" 

        > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:05 AM > Subject: 
        [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia 
        Lo-ma-ji. > >

        >> Kimêng hiaⁿ, >> >>> Chāmtiāu 
        lán Tâigú kungoân ê >>> Tâigú Hànjī ê 
        bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê 
        mi̍hkiāⁿ"! >> >> Chin chhimji̍p ê sukhó! 
         Chiâⁿ ta̍t tit chò Tâigúbûn ūntōng ê lâng >> 
        chhamkhó! >> >> Kiatgak >> 
        2008-06-04 >> >>

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:08 PM, gugarn.giatou

        >>  
        wrote: >>>

        
        

        >>> Lâu siàn, 
        Pêngan! >>> >>> Goá khì 
        chhītiûⁿ >>> khoàⁿtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ, khai tāmpo̍há 
        chîⁿ kāi bóe lâi ēng, >>> chūánne sengoa̍h 
        ūthangsîá ōe tè tit piànhoà, 多采多姿. >>> M̄koh 
        khoàⁿtio̍h phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ, goá 
        khólêng >>> chi̍tsián chîⁿ to bōechhutē. 
         Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê >>> Tâigú 
        Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê 
        mi̍hkiāⁿ"! >>> Koh khah tiōngiàuê sī, lán 
        chiahnihá iōngsim kèkàu teh thoân ê >>> 
        Tâioânōe kóng sī ánne ... , lóng bô lánê "lênghûn", 
        kám >>> iâuū >>> thoân ê pitiàu? 
         為"誰"辛苦為"誰"忙?  Hianihákú to lóng bô 
        Hájī >>> kám ū >>> chha kah chitkúinî? 
         Hànjī bānbāná chhē, Lômájī toātoā 
        sak. >>> Tī lán téng chi̍tûn ê lâng lóng iâu 
        chāisiⁿ ê sî to̍h lóng >>> hō͘ >>> 
        Lômájī phó͘phiànhoà kám m̄ hó?  Mài kóng pa̍thāng 
        kannā kóng >>> tī bûnim ham gúim ígoā koh chhòng 
        chi̍ttui 破音字 kám hó? >>> Tn̄gtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ 
        chho͘-khí-hông ōe hō͘ lâng kiaⁿhiâⁿ. 
         Lán >>> lóng bô hō͘i kah lán o̍h Tiongbûn 
        siokâng ê sîkan kah kihōe. >>> Chitmá lán teh 
        súiōng Lômájī nā bô lísióng ê piáuhiān 
        sī >>> pitjiânē, engkaiē.  Lán ài goânliōng 
        pa̍tlâng, mā ài >>> goânliōng >>> kakī 
        ê chhiⁿso͘ bôse̍k, m̄thang chekpī kakī.  Choattùi ēng 
        pí >>> o̍h Hànjī khahchió ê sînkan kah chengsîn 
        lán to̍h o̍h ōehiáu >>> Tâigú Lômájī loh. 
         Goá púnlâng tùi Tâigú Lômájī >>> 
        júlâijúse̍k >>> to̍hsi kàihó ê chi̍tgê 
        lē! >>>

        >>> Chhoà Kimêng >>> >>> 
        ----- Original Message -----

        >>> From: "Kiatgak Lau" 

        >>> To: "gugarn.giatou"  >>> 
        Cc: "Taigubang-02"  >>> Sent: 
        Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:28 AM

        >>> Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, 
        sia Lo-ma-ji. >>>>

        >>>> Kimêng hiaⁿ 
        pêngan, >>>> >>>>> Sin o̍h 
        chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok >>>>> 
        hoaⁿhí ê tāichì. >>>> >>>> Chin 
        chán ê koanliām, kóng liáu chiâⁿ hó. Ke o̍h 1 hāng mi̍hkiāⁿ, 
        tō >>>> ke 1 hāng soánte̍k, tō ke khah 
        chūiû. >>>> >>>> Chin chē chútiuⁿ ēng 
        hànjī ê lâng, katī ê koanliām hō͘ hànjī pa̍ksí >>>> 
        koh m̄ chai. Beh ēng m̄ ēng LMJ sī koanliām (thàitō͘) ê 
        būntê. >>>> >>>> 
        Kiatgak >>>> 
        2008-06-03 >>>>

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, gugarn.giatou

        >>>>  
        wrote: >>>>>

        
        

        >>>>> Kokūi 
        hiaⁿ-ché, >>>>> >>>>> Lômájī 
        tah hit kúijī 
        niā. >>>>> >>>>> Goá sī 
        Tâigílâng.  Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah 
        o̍h >>>>> oēhiáu >>>>> 
        chi̍tjī Lômájī niā.  Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h 
        ta̍kjī >>>>> lóng >>>>> 
        o̍h >>>>> oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun 
        chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ >>>>> 
        siá, chhun kāi liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì 
        niā. >>>>> >>>>> Goá m̄sī 
        Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná.  Nā ánne kannā o̍h 
        choân >>>>> Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân 
        Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô >>>>> 
        thàulām--ê >>>>> kekhah 
        kántan? >>>>> Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū 
        púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字". >>>>> Chitjī 
        Hànjī koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu 
        mā >>>>> khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu 
        khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē >>>>> 
        lán >>>>> chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin 
        tha̍k ê im.  Chi̍tjījī ū >>>>> 
        chia̍hchoē >>>>> im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī 
        kóng "意象".  Sînkengkun ài chiok >>>>> 
        toātiâu. >>>>> Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà 
        chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā. >>>>> Ta̍kgêlâng 
        ê kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang 
        to̍h >>>>> kàoân, >>>>> to̍h 
        oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô.  Kóng o̍hliáu 
        Lômájī >>>>> liáuāu thiaukang kohchài 
        lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá >>>>> 
        gō͘choā >>>>> cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah, 
         ánne chiongkuibé sī >>>>> 
        siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) >>>>> khah 
        chânjím? >>>>> >>>>> Hànjī 
        bānbāná chhoē! >>>>> M̄thang kannā chhoē 
        chi̍tkoá Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá 
        goânji >>>>> ê >>>>> 
        chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām ... lóng bôkhì 
        loh! >>>>> Chesī >>>>> 
        teh >>>>> kāng Tâigí ê kingoân 
        chāmchāmtiāu, sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī >>>>> 
        teh >>>>> chān lánê 
        Tâigí. >>>>> Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh 
        siongsìn?  Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh lâi >>>>> 
        hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h 
        khì >>>>> piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê 
        ìsù.  "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng >>>>> 
        "pùnsò >>>>> hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù. 
         "Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi >>>>> 
        káiseh >>>>> chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē 
        chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi >>>>> 
        m̄sī >>>>> "ka̍k".  Tùi chitgê gígiân 
        m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū >>>>> 
        hósim. >>>>> Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), 
        khoàⁿtio̍h hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut >>>>> 
        Tâigí >>>>> ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng 
        gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng poē. >>>>> Lômájī 
        ēng hō͘i koànsì!  Hànjī bānbāná 
        chhoē! >>>>> >>>>> Lán Tâigí 
        chitmá iōngsim kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó 
        kiám >>>>> hó?  Lán nám̄ 
        ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 ...，而終 ...。) khaisí 
        a̍hkhì >>>>> kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê 
        lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng Lômájī >>>>> 
        leh? >>>>> Chi̍tgê ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī 
        chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ >>>>> 
        ê >>>>> Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘. 
         Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng nā >>>>> 
        sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē 
        mā

bôkhólêng.  Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán thoa,

        m̄chai

        >>>>> sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ 
        kî. >>>>> >>>>> Hànjī m̄bián 
        kiaⁿ o̍h bô.  Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh 
        o̍h >>>>> chiokchoē tang--ê.  Sin o̍h 
        chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng >>>>> 
        chiok >>>>> hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.  Chiū lán 
        Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī >>>>> 
        chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat 
        ê >>>>> mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan!   
        Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ >>>>> 
        kakī >>>>> kihoē toh 
        oē-ēng--ê. >>>>> >>>>> Chhoà 
        Kimêng >>>>> 
        > >>>>> >>>> >>>> 
        >> >>>> >> >> 
        >> >> > >

--

Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

--

  Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: Lau Seng-hian
Date: 2008-06-10 19:08:40

Kimêng 兄：

拜讀你 ê 回應了後，我真確定我用全羅寫 ê 回應 你讀了無了解（比論：我講--ê 意識型態並 m̄ 是 指你 t.t.），無 ta-uâ，我 kan-taⁿ ē-tàng lām 漢 字來回覆，khah 免咱再三誤解。

末者猶原無法度理解 siáⁿ-mih 號做「有水準 ê 漢字」，beh 按怎 kā 漢字分做「有水準」kap「 無水準」，koh，hit-ê 判斷 ê 標準是 siáⁿ-huè，

恐驚 á ài koh 進一步分拆 tsiah ē 明白。

Tī tsia beh 特別提出，Kimêng 兄你所講：「in  (日本人) 對 in ê 漢字 ê 音 kap 意是人人仝心--ê」 ，tsit 句話 tsāi-tsuí（絕對）無合 tī 事實，末者 好膽建議 Kimêng 兄 tshuē tsi̍t-kuá 日本冊來掀 ，自然知影我 ê 意思。

以上 kā Kimêng 兄報告

2008/6/10 gugarn.giatou :

Lau5-sian3,

 

Lan e Taioanoe oe chhun Oatlam anne choan Romajihoa boe?  Phaise, goa mchai.  Mkoh na oetang ti binachai khaisi ahsi jukinjuho toh choan Romajihoa, li mthang siukhi, goa si jinui chinho!  Lan chitmae Taioanlang, lane kiannsun oe inui anne lai seng2 chiokchoe taichi.

 

Goa ti chia kongbeng chengtai lai kong:  Thoe3 Taigi chhoe ko-chuichun e Hanji oe chengka Taioanoe e chhimtou kah khoahtou, patlang goa mchai, goa na khoanntioh uchuichun e Taigi-Hanji goa oe hoannhi kah poahpoahto.  Goa ma jinui ke7-chuichun, chhinchhai chhoe, suipian chhoe, oupeh chhoe, oe houlang khoanntioh hitgelang si goa7 khinsi lane Taigi, hitchiong ji si 老鼠屎, hitgelang si teh 幫倒忙.  Soui goa kong Hanji banban chhoe, Romaji toatoa sak.  Simsi goa long anne kong?

 

Lie kitha konghoat, khoann u patlang boh chiap--bo?  Goa chinchiann koatteng m chhapchhiu, phaise.

 

Jitpunlang in kanne chitchiong gigian nia, in tui ine Hanji e im kah i3 si langlang kang sim--e.  Che ham lan inui leksu kah teli e koanhe tui lan teh eng e Hanji long teng7-heng5 e chengheng si siokang--e.  Lan chitma uitioh Taioanoe cho7 sin-Hanji lan mai kong oe anchoann, lan kanna kong eng hian-iu-e Hanji lai kai sin-e im, sin-e i3, lang Jitpunlang mbian anne cho, lan itteng ai eng Hanji lai cho, simsi oe choseng haksip kah chiapsiu e khunjiau?  Goa kong Hanji chinchiann lauhou Tiongbun tohho, Taioanoe eng Romaji toh chiok 完美 loh.  Che si siannmih isekhengthai?

 

Chhoa Kimeng   

----- Original Message -----

From: Lau Seng-hian

To: 台語網

Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 11:24 PM

Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Nā sī Tâi-uân ū tsâi-tiāu tshin-tshiūⁿ Ua̍t-lâm án-ne kā Tâi-bûn tsuân lô-má-jī huà, guá tsin tsàn-sîng, guá ū ì-kiàn--ê, sī tshù-sū (priority) kap lūn-lí ê pōo-hūn.

Kóng Hàn-jī lo̍k-ngóo, bô hāu-lu̍t, guá mā tông-ì, m̄-koh beh kóng "Tâi-gí Hàn-jī" hōo lâng bô tsúi-tsún ê kám-kak , sóo-í tio̍h hùi Hàn-jī, tse bô tsin ū lí-khì, in-ūi, Tâi-gí pún- sin, m̄-kuán sī īng siáⁿ-mih khuán su-siá-huat, ē hōo lâng khuàⁿ bô tī ba̍k-tē, he pīng m̄-sī tan-sûn-tik "sú-iōng toh-tsi̍t- tsiòng kang-khū lâi su-siá" ê būn-tê, sī ì-sik-hîng-thài ê būn- tê.

Kāng-khuán, guá mā bô tsàn-sîng "īng Lô-má-jī" ē-tàng uân- tsuân pó-liû tsiâu-tsn̂g ê Tâi-gí ê kóng-huat, tī tsia tō bô koh ke-uē--a.

To-siā.

2008/6/8 gugarn.giatou :

Lau5-sian3,

 

Li e Jitpun le7 kah kuihang konghoat goa 
long khoannkoe liaukai loh, goa koatteng m hamli kohchai 
chhiau-poann5(Goa oanchoan chiapsiu li e iongsim, mkoh bo itteng tong-i li e 
konghoat.). Uitioh m jukongjihng ma boe bu2 bu7-khi3 goa teh kong e 
tiongtiam, phaise goa ka i thiaukoe.

 

Tiohlah, Jitpun bo chhun lan koh ke chitge 
"kokgi".

  

Lan sou phainn7 e Hanji e 
souliong ikeng ukauchoe ah.  Chitma uitioh Taioanji koh lai 
kechhutlaie Hanji e souliong choattui oe pi Lomaji jibo e souliong 
koh ke chiokchoepoe.  Homihkhou chu-chhoe-ma-hoan!  Lan na Hanji 
lau hou Tiongbun,  Taibun kanna eng Lomaji tohho, lan oe seng2 goachoe 
lan takke e sikan, khuilat, chugoan, ..., tengteng?  Eng hia 
sou-seng2--e lai hoattian pathang, mchai tui lan e chinpou oe u 
goatoa?  Engkai ma boe koh u gaigioh, tintann, koh u chhun 
鬥陣,夯,槓龜, ..., chitkhoan bochuichun e Taioanoe e Hanji lai chhuthian.  
Enghiong chougai choechoe ma bat Hanji e Taigulang e haksip, chiapsiu.  
Phinchit putliong e mihkiann chinchiann toe 
boetioh sinmihkiann.

 

Chhoa Kimeng


  
  ----- Original Message ----- 

  **From:** 
  Lau Seng-hian 

  **To:** 台語網 

  
  

  
  **Sent:** Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:34 AM

  **Subject:** [tgb] Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia 
  Lo-ma-ji.

  

  Kimêng hiaⁿ,

Guá bô liáu-kái tse kap Ji̍t-pún sī m̄-sī kan-taⁿ 1 tsióng gí-giân ū siáⁿ-mih kuan-hē. M̄-koh, lán nā sī kā bûn-giân Hàn-gí tòng-tsò 1 tsióng gí-giân, lán sīm-tsì ē-tàng kóng Ji̍t-pún ê kàu-io̍k--ni̍h, mā ū Ji̍t-gí í-guā ê gí-giân, in-ūi Ji̍t-pún ê ko-tiong-sing mā tio̍h tha̍k bûn-giân Hàn-gí ê king-tián, sui-jiân sò͘-liōng pí Tâi-uân kiám tsiok tsē, tsóng-- sī, tse sī sū-si̍t, kó͘-tián Hàn-bûn sī Ji̍t-pún bûn-huà kap gí- giân ê tsi̍t-pō͘-hūn.

Guá án-ne kóng mā sī lī-tê--a, taⁿ kóng tò tńg--lâi, kò-jîn jīn-uî, m̄-kuán sī "lô-má-jī" ia̍h "Hàn-jī", kiù-khàm "pún-jī", kap "tong-guân-tshe" ê ho͘-im (huat-im), he lóng sī gí-giân ha̍k-ka kap li̍k-sú ha̍k-ka ê khang-khuè, tsiâⁿ-tsò 1 ê it-puaⁿ ê sú-iōng-tsiá, bô ìng-kai the̍h tse tsò lí-iû lâi phue-phîng  "iōng-jī" ê "tsìng-tong-sìng", bô--tsiá, he kiat-kó tō-sī lán beh hió-jīn gí-giân pún-sin in-ūi sî-kan só tsō-sîng ê "gí-im" kap " sû-ì" ê tsū-jiân piàn-huà, hi̍k-tsiá-sī beh tùi-ke̍h "hùn-iōng" ê tsò-huat, kò-jîn kám-kak tse tsin bô ì-gī.

Tuì gí-giân ê ián-piàn lâi kóng, lán lóng sī Tâi-gí ê sú-iōng-tsiá, lán tong-jiân ē-tàng thàu-kuè lán ê sú-iōng, lâi íng-hióng Tâi-gí ho͘-im kap sû-ì tíng-tíng ê huat-tián, m̄-koh he tsua̍t-tuì bē-tàng īng-tsò phue-phîng "tsìng-tong-sìng" ê lō͘-iōng, in-uī tsin kî-kuài, mā bô ha̍p tī sū-si̍t.

Lán tńg lâi "hùn-iōng" (訓用) tsit-ê tsân-bīn lâi kóng, nā tsún kóng  "hùn-iòng"(訓用) tō ē tsò-sîng ho͘-im kap sû-guân khe-khó ê būn- tê, án-ne Ji̍p-pún tsua̍t-tuì ài sing tshut būn-tê.

Í-siōng.

  2008/6/6 gugarn.giatou : 
  
  

  

  
    
    Lán kám ū ham Ji̍tpún siosiâng 
    ánne, kokka kannā chi̍tchióng gígiân niā?

     

    Chitmáê Tâibûn ū 
    chinchoē Hànjī chinchiàⁿ sī putliông sánphín, mài chhoē 
    chí-lah-hú-lah ê líiû lâi tôphiah káipiàn, chiah oē 
    kèsio̍k chìnpō͘ oânbí, hō͘lâng kamgoān 
    chia̍psiū.

     

    Chhoà Kimêng

    
      
      

      
      ----- Original Message ----- 

      **From:** 
      Lau Seng-hian 

      **To:** 台語網 

      **Sent:** Thursday, June 05, 2008 6:32 PM

      **Subject:** [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia 
      Lo-ma-ji.

Tsiàu án-ne lâi siūⁿ, Ji̍t-pún hàn-jī tō sī phín-tsit tsin bái, tsin put-liông??? Ji̍t-bûn hàn-jī tuā-pō͘-hūn lóng sī tshú hùn-iōng-jī, bô kuán sû-guân, mā bô tsiok tsiàu Tiong-kok hàn-jī ê jī-ì.

Koh ū, Ing-kok, Huat-kok, Sūi-tián in teh īng lô-má-jī, mā kāng-khuán tsin put-liông, in-uī he lô-má-jī ê īng-huat, bô tsun-thàn huat-bîng lô-má-jī ê Phoenicia "guân-té" ê sú-iōng, mā bô tsiâu thàn Hi-lia̍p iah-tsiá-sī Ló-má ê huat-tō͘….Tsin put-liông…..

      2008/6/5 Kiatgak Lau :

      Kimêng 
        hiaⁿ,

Lí kóng--ê bô m̄-tio̍h.

M̄-koh, ū 2 ê kipún koanliām ài têngchheng:

(1) Gígiân boh ēng símmih bûnjī siá sī ētàng soánte̍k--ê.  Hōlóoē ēng lômájī siá tō ūkàu a, bô tiāⁿtio̍h ài ēng hànjī.

(2) Gígiân sī ē iánpiàn--ê, tó͘kiông boh chhoē "chinchiàⁿ", "goânpún" ê jīgoân, ìgī bô toā.

Kín khì kā lí kóng--ê chiahê "Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng.  M̄bat Hànjī

        ê Tâgúlâng.  Toà tī kauthong bô hongpiān só͘chāi 
        ê

Tâigúlâng. Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ê Tâigúlâng." kóng ē oē ēng lômájī kìlio̍k--khílâi, chiah sī siāng iàukín--ê.

Chhiáⁿ chhamkhó.

Kiatgak 2008-06-05

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:09 PM, gugarn.giatou

         wrote:

        > Lâu siàn, > > Koh kóngchi̍tgê phínchit 
        putliông ê lē: > Lán Tâioânōe "chin kín ê sîkan" 
        ūlâng kóng Hànjī sī "連鞭". > Ai-ioh!  Chinchiàⁿ 
        thak bōelo̍hkhì. > Siatsú chèngkhakê Rômájī sī 
        "liap-nih". > Chhun ánne āutē kiáⁿsun khoàⁿtio̍h Hànjī 
        "連鞭" boh chhōetńglâi > "liap-nih" to̍h chiâⁿpiàⁿē. 
         Thiaⁿtio̍h kokchióng khiuⁿkháu ēng > Rômájī siá 
        khílâi sī "liam-piⁿ", "liam-mi̍h", ... , boh > 
        chhōetńglâi "liap-nih" ê kihōe sī khahtoā. 
         Tio̍h--bô? > Tngtangsî i siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" ê sî, 
        hoānsè hoaⁿhí kah > poa̍hpoa̍h--tó, inūi i 功在台語. 
         Sūsi̍tsiōng "chin kín ê sîkan" lán > chitmá ê 
        kónghoat siatsú chinchiàⁿ sī "liap-nih" ê impiàn, ánne 
        i > siá Hànjī sī "連鞭" m̄to̍hsīteh 遺禍子孫? 
        :p > > Chhōe Hànjī chinchiàⁿ ài sīntiōng, mài 
        biánkióng.  Ke khì mn̄g > chi̍tkoálâng chiah 
        lo̍hpit.  Chhun: Ūhòe ê Tâigúlâng.  M̄bat 
        Hànjī > ê Tâgúlâng.  Toà tī kauthong bô 
        hongpiān só͘chāi ê Tâigúlâng. > Kokchióng khiuⁿkháu 
        ê Tâigúlâng.  Mài kannā khoàⁿ kúipún > 
        kó͘cháchheh to̍hlâi 閉門造車.  Nābô ōe kālângê kungoân 
        lóng > chhòchhòtiāu.  Ánne sī teh tn̄g lângê kun, 
        tn̄g lângê chúilō͘, > sī lēnggoā chi̍tchióng 
        bia̍tlâng gúgiân, bûnhoà ê to̍kpō͘ neh. > Goá ài 
        phínchit hó ê Tâigí Hànjī ê goânin tio̍hsī ánne 
        niā. > >

        > Chhoà Kimêng > > > ----- Original 
        Message -----

        > From: "Kiatgak Lau" 

        > To: "gugarn.giatou"  > Cc: 
        "Taigubang-02" 

        > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:05 AM > Subject: 
        [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia 
        Lo-ma-ji. > >

        >> Kimêng hiaⁿ, >> >>> Chāmtiāu 
        lán Tâigú kungoân ê >>> Tâigú Hànjī ê 
        bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê 
        mi̍hkiāⁿ"! >> >> Chin chhimji̍p ê sukhó! 
         Chiâⁿ ta̍t tit chò Tâigúbûn ūntōng ê lâng >> 
        chhamkhó! >> >> Kiatgak >> 
        2008-06-04 >> >>

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:08 PM, gugarn.giatou

        >>  
        wrote: >>>

        
        

        >>> Lâu siàn, 
        Pêngan! >>> >>> Goá khì 
        chhītiûⁿ >>> khoàⁿtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ, khai tāmpo̍há 
        chîⁿ kāi bóe lâi ēng, >>> chūánne sengoa̍h 
        ūthangsîá ōe tè tit piànhoà, 多采多姿. >>> M̄koh 
        khoàⁿtio̍h phínchit putliông ê mi̍hkiāⁿ, goá 
        khólêng >>> chi̍tsián chîⁿ to bōechhutē. 
         Chāmtiāu lán Tâigú kungoân ê >>> Tâigú 
        Hànjī ê bûnchiong to̍hsī "phínchit putliông ê 
        mi̍hkiāⁿ"! >>> Koh khah tiōngiàuê sī, lán 
        chiahnihá iōngsim kèkàu teh thoân ê >>> 
        Tâioânōe kóng sī ánne ... , lóng bô lánê "lênghûn", 
        kám >>> iâuū >>> thoân ê pitiàu? 
         為"誰"辛苦為"誰"忙?  Hianihákú to lóng bô 
        Hájī >>> kám ū >>> chha kah chitkúinî? 
         Hànjī bānbāná chhē, Lômájī toātoā 
        sak. >>> Tī lán téng chi̍tûn ê lâng lóng iâu 
        chāisiⁿ ê sî to̍h lóng >>> hō͘ >>> 
        Lômájī phó͘phiànhoà kám m̄ hó?  Mài kóng pa̍thāng 
        kannā kóng >>> tī bûnim ham gúim ígoā koh chhòng 
        chi̍ttui 破音字 kám hó? >>> Tn̄gtio̍h sinmi̍hkiāⁿ 
        chho͘-khí-hông ōe hō͘ lâng kiaⁿhiâⁿ. 
         Lán >>> lóng bô hō͘i kah lán o̍h Tiongbûn 
        siokâng ê sîkan kah kihōe. >>> Chitmá lán teh 
        súiōng Lômájī nā bô lísióng ê piáuhiān 
        sī >>> pitjiânē, engkaiē.  Lán ài goânliōng 
        pa̍tlâng, mā ài >>> goânliōng >>> kakī 
        ê chhiⁿso͘ bôse̍k, m̄thang chekpī kakī.  Choattùi ēng 
        pí >>> o̍h Hànjī khahchió ê sînkan kah chengsîn 
        lán to̍h o̍h ōehiáu >>> Tâigú Lômájī loh. 
         Goá púnlâng tùi Tâigú Lômájī >>> 
        júlâijúse̍k >>> to̍hsi kàihó ê chi̍tgê 
        lē! >>>

        >>> Chhoà Kimêng >>> >>> 
        ----- Original Message -----

        >>> From: "Kiatgak Lau" 

        >>> To: "gugarn.giatou"  >>> 
        Cc: "Taigubang-02"  >>> Sent: 
        Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:28 AM

        >>> Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, 
        sia Lo-ma-ji. >>>>

        >>>> Kimêng hiaⁿ 
        pêngan, >>>> >>>>> Sin o̍h 
        chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng chiok >>>>> 
        hoaⁿhí ê tāichì. >>>> >>>> Chin 
        chán ê koanliām, kóng liáu chiâⁿ hó. Ke o̍h 1 hāng mi̍hkiāⁿ, 
        tō >>>> ke 1 hāng soánte̍k, tō ke khah 
        chūiû. >>>> >>>> Chin chē chútiuⁿ ēng 
        hànjī ê lâng, katī ê koanliām hō͘ hànjī pa̍ksí >>>> 
        koh m̄ chai. Beh ēng m̄ ēng LMJ sī koanliām (thàitō͘) ê 
        būntê. >>>> >>>> 
        Kiatgak >>>> 
        2008-06-03 >>>>

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, gugarn.giatou

        >>>>  
        wrote: >>>>>

        
        

        >>>>> Kokūi 
        hiaⁿ-ché, >>>>> >>>>> Lômájī 
        tah hit kúijī 
        niā. >>>>> >>>>> Goá sī 
        Tâigílâng.  Goá nā chin pn̄gtháng chi̍tji̍t tah 
        o̍h >>>>> oēhiáu >>>>> 
        chi̍tjī Lômájī niā.  Jīsaⁿcha̍p ji̍t koè, goá to̍h 
        ta̍kjī >>>>> lóng >>>>> 
        o̍h >>>>> oēhiáu loh, lâi to̍h chhun 
        chhoēkihoē tiāⁿtiāⁿ tha̍k, tiāⁿtiāⁿ >>>>> 
        siá, chhun kāi liū hō͘i se̍k, liū hō͘i koànsì ê tāichì 
        niā. >>>>> >>>>> Goá m̄sī 
        Tâigílâng, goá sī gíná.  Nā ánne kannā o̍h 
        choân >>>>> Lômájī sīm̄sī pí o̍h choân 
        Hànjī--ê a̍hsī Hànlô >>>>> 
        thàulām--ê >>>>> kekhah 
        kántan? >>>>> Chi̍tjī Hànjī tī Tiongbûn ū 
        púnim mā khólêng iâuū "破音字". >>>>> Chitjī 
        Hànjī koh tī lán Tâioânoē tûliáu gúim liáuāu 
        mā >>>>> khólêng iâuū bûnim, chitmá iâu 
        khólêng ài siⁿchhut chiokchoē >>>>> 
        lán >>>>> chia "gâulâng" kiò lán ài sin 
        tha̍k ê im.  Chi̍tjījī ū >>>>> 
        chia̍hchoē >>>>> im, chia̍hchoē ìsù a̍hsī 
        kóng "意象".  Sînkengkun ài chiok >>>>> 
        toātiâu. >>>>> Ha̍khāu a̍hm̄sī kannā teh kà 
        chi̍tchióng Tâigíkhò niā. >>>>> Ta̍kgêlâng 
        ê kiáⁿ lóngsī pópoè, kà Lômájī kùikang 
        to̍h >>>>> kàoân, >>>>> to̍h 
        oētàng pàng hō͘in khì chhitthô.  Kóng o̍hliáu 
        Lômájī >>>>> liáuāu thiaukang kohchài 
        lia̍hin lâi chi̍tjī Hànjī siá >>>>> 
        gō͘choā >>>>> cha̍pchoā tah boh pàngin soah, 
         ánne chiongkuibé sī >>>>> 
        siáng(siáⁿ-lâng) >>>>> khah 
        chânjím? >>>>> >>>>> Hànjī 
        bānbāná chhoē! >>>>> M̄thang kannā chhoē 
        chi̍tkoá Hànjī-khak, kiatkó chi̍tkoá 
        goânji >>>>> ê >>>>> 
        chengsîn, lênghûn, bûnhoà, kenggiām ... lóng bôkhì 
        loh! >>>>> Chesī >>>>> 
        teh >>>>> kāng Tâigí ê kingoân 
        chāmchāmtiāu, sī teh hāi Tâigí m̄sī >>>>> 
        teh >>>>> chān lánê 
        Tâigí. >>>>> Goá ánne kóng lí kiámboh 
        siongsìn?  Chhun chhoē "撿角" boh lâi >>>>> 
        hōng(hō͘-lâng)-ēng. "Khioh-ka̍k" sī khioh-hia-ka̍k, sī the̍h 
        khì >>>>> piⁿá chúnpī boh tàn hia ka̍k ê 
        ìsù.  "Khioh-ka̍k" sī kóng >>>>> 
        "pùnsò >>>>> hitlūi ê mi̍hkiāⁿ" e ìsù. 
         "Kak" ngēngē iōng 六書 lâi kāi >>>>> 
        káiseh >>>>> chò "角落" a̍hsī "piⁿá" ūlâng oē 
        chiapsiū, m̄koh "kak" choattùi >>>>> 
        m̄sī >>>>> "ka̍k".  Tùi chitgê gígiân 
        m̄niā ài ū ha̍kbūn mā kàihó àiū >>>>> 
        hósim. >>>>> Khêngkàuchin(khêng-si̍t), 
        khoàⁿtio̍h hia Hànjī tha̍k oē chhut >>>>> 
        Tâigí >>>>> ê lâng sī pí hia siá ê lâng 
        gâu, koh gâu kúināchheng poē. >>>>> Lômájī 
        ēng hō͘i koànsì!  Hànjī bānbāná 
        chhoē! >>>>> >>>>> Lán Tâigí 
        chitmá iōngsim kannā teh kà gíná niā, hāukó 
        kiám >>>>> hó?  Lán nám̄ 
        ko͘putjîchiong(姑不 ...，而終 ...。) khaisí 
        a̍hkhì >>>>> kokchngthâu, siākhu kà ūhoè ê 
        lâng o̍h oēhiáu ēng Lômájī >>>>> 
        leh? >>>>> Chi̍tgê ūhoē ê Tâigílâng to̍hsī 
        chi̍tchō phongphài, chhiaiāⁿ >>>>> 
        ê >>>>> Tâigi gísû ê chuliāukhò͘. 
         Jîchhiáⁿ in chit-ûn ê lâng nā >>>>> 
        sí-oân, lán kàusî nākóng m̄ēng Tiongbûnhoà ê Tâioânoē 
        mā

bôkhólêng.  Chitmá lâng to̍ksimto̍khēng teh kāng lán thoa,

        m̄chai

        >>>>> sīm̄sī to̍hsī teh kiâⁿ chitpō͘ 
        kî. >>>>> >>>>> Hànjī m̄bián 
        kiaⁿ o̍h bô.  Toātoāsoèsoè ittēng àikoh 
        o̍h >>>>> chiokchoē tang--ê.  Sin o̍h 
        chi̍thāng mi̍hkiāⁿ sī chi̍tchióng >>>>> 
        chiok >>>>> hoaⁿhí ê tāichì.  Chiū lán 
        Tâigílâng lâi kóng ēng Lômájī >>>>> 
        chísī chhoē chi̍tchióng hûhō lâi piáusī lán chá to̍h bat 
        ê >>>>> mi̍hkiāⁿ niā, chiok kántan!   
        Chíiāu lí ài hō͘i kihoē, hō͘ >>>>> 
        kakī >>>>> kihoē toh 
        oē-ēng--ê. >>>>> >>>>> Chhoà 
        Kimêng >>>>> 
        > >>>>> >>>> >>>> 
        >> >>>> >> >> 
        >> >> > >

--

Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

--

  Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: Kiatgak Lau
Date: 2008-06-12 01:37:03

Phokgoan,

Goa iong Windows XP + Hoehouli, kap Ubuntu + Hoehouli, khoanntioh longsi anne. Chiann simsek, goa 2 chiong chengheng khoann long chengsiong (chhiann khoann hutong). XP, m kann kong; Ubuntu, tu chng bo joa ku, hethong kai chhengkhi. M chai kap li e hethong chengchha ti toh?> … Jichhiann iong nngthe ma boetang chengsiong choan. (Goa beh iong

ToCyrillic e Transliterate ka tiauho choan souji, boe-choantit, inui i bo jintit chiae ji.)

Che khaksit si 1 e (hiansit e tu--tioh) e bunte.Eng "precomposed"--e (NFC) si khah ho--koa; chong--si, eng chouhap--e (NFD) ma si huhap Unicode phiauchun e chohoat. Chhiann chhamkho "Unicode Normalization Forms" (http://unicode.org/reports/tr15/).Bong chhamkho.Kiatgak 2008-06-12

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Phokgoân Chio̍h wrote:

Lausu,

Goa khoanntioh e iugoan siokang. Goa ma kangkhoan si Ubuntu 8.04 + Hoehouli (Firefox) 3.0 Beta.

Goa iong Windows XP + Hoehouli, kap Ubuntu + Hoehouli, khoanntioh longsi anne.

Tongjian, ti bunchiunn laite e sichun khoann khilai bo chiah benghian. Pianchip e sichun khoann khah chhengchho. Kiangi lausu etang chhigiam chit-e -- ti u tiauho e ji thaucheng, jih Backspace. Na chengsiong e ji, li jih 1 pai toh thaitiau 1 ji; nasi Kimeng siansinn e ji, li ai jih 2 pai chiah ethangtit thai 1 ji (Jih teit pai, thai tiauho. Jih teji pai, thai jibo.)

Bo tohsi ka ji hongtoa, toh khoann echhutlai. Suijian kong khoann bunchiunn e sichun ma kangkhoan e-khoanntit, mkoh chongsi anne chuliau toh u chittiama hokchap. Jichhiann iong nngthe ma boetang chengsiong choan. (Goa beh iong ToCyrillic e Transliterate ka tiauho choan souji, boe-choantit, inui i bo jintit chiae ji.)

Taikai si anne :D

Mchaiiann Kimeng siansinn e khi 13TBI bo? :o Goa chin siunnbeh chaiiann li iong siannmih nngthe phahji :D

Phokgoan, Lakgoeh c6, 2008

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Kiatgak Lau wrote:

Phokgoan,

Kângkhoán neh… Goá tī hùtóng khǹg 1 tiuⁿ tô͘, hō͘ lí chhamkhó chi̍tē. Téngbīn sī líê phoe ê siáhoat, ēkha sī goá káikoè ê.

Goa ti Ubuntu eng Firefox khoann Kimeng hiann e phoe long chengsiong, bo tekpiat siatteng jiheng.

Chhiann mng li e khoankeng si…?

Kiatgak 2008-06-05

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Phokgoân Chio̍h wrote:

Kimêng siansiⁿ,

Kângkhoán neh… Goá tī hùtóng khǹg 1 tiuⁿ tô͘, hō͘ lí chhamkhó chi̍tē. Téngbīn sī líê phoe ê siáhoat, ēkha sī goá káikoè ê.

Mā siūⁿbeh chhiáⁿmn̄g lí iōng siáⁿmih suji̍phoat leh :D

Phokgoan, La̍kgoe̍h c4, 2008

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:29 PM, gugarn.giatou

wrote:

Chio̍h siàn,

Ti kehsek kāi káitńglâi sûnbûnjī khoàⁿ ōe mài koh chhuthiān lí kóngê cho͘ha̍pjī--bōe? Chhiáⁿ kohchài chítiám. Lóla̍t. Kakī 閉門造車 to̍hōe ū chitchióng kiatkó. Kámsiā lí lâi the̍hchhíⁿ hō͘goá ū káisiān ê kihōe. Mài koh chōsêng ta̍kke ê khùnjiáu. Mâhoân koh pang goá khoàⁿ ū káikoat--bô?

Chhoà Kimêng

….

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: Phokgoân Chio̍h
Date: 2008-06-12 02:45:34

Eh… Lausu, goa tann chin khakteng lie chengheng kap goa siokang louh. Chhiann li khoann hutong. Laite goa u ka li liah e tou kohchai liah hou li khoann.

Ubuntu punte si khah sui, soui i e7 piauhian kah hou li khoann boechhutlai.

XP iong khoann e toh etang khoann chhutlai ah. Iuki si "i7", li e7 hoathian "i" tengbine 1 hoainn e7 chau khi. Che msi lie jiheng e bunte, si inui i punsin si chouhap ji chiah e anne. Kisit li ma etang khoann echhutlai, te-5 tiau ma u chaukhi, pilun "e5". Hit teng "bo7-a" long msi koa3 ti jibo e chiann tengbin, e7 oaikhi.

Soui goa tengpai chiah e7 kong, iong khoann e khah boechun. Etang ka hiae ji copy lohlai, ti u tiau7 e souchai jih BACKSPACE, chengsiong ji si 1pai toh etang thaitiau, chouhapji ai 2pai -- Teit pai thai tiauho, te-2 pai thai jibo. Etang iong chite honghoat lai chhi khoannmai leh.

Chongsi, nachun tansun takke khoann tongjian bo bunte. Ma mbian hoanlo chiah choe. Mkoh nachun chuliau beh lau lohlai, chuliau chhuli kholeng toh e7 chin u bunte. Soui goa chiah e7 mng Kimeng hiann si iong tohchit tho sujiphoat ^^"

Phokgoan, Lakgoeh 12, 2008

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:37 AM, Kiatgak Lau wrote:

Phokgoan,

Goa iong Windows XP + Hoehouli, kap Ubuntu + Hoehouli, khoanntioh longsi

anne.

Chiann simsek, goa 2 chiong chengheng khoann long chengsiong (chhiann

khoann hutong).  XP, m kann kong; Ubuntu, tu chng bo joa ku, hethong

kai chhengkhi.  M chai kap li e hethong chengchha ti toh?

… Jichhiann iong nngthe ma boetang chengsiong choan. (Goa beh iong

ToCyrillic e Transliterate ka tiauho choan souji, boe-choantit, inui i bo

jintit chiae ji.)

Che khaksit si 1 e (hiansit e tu--tioh) e bunte.

Eng "precomposed"--e (NFC) si khah ho--koa; chong--si, eng chouhap--e

(NFD) ma si huhap Unicode phiauchun e chohoat. Chhiann chhamkho

"Unicode Normalization Forms" (http://unicode.org/reports/tr15/).

Bong chhamkho.

Kiatgak

2008-06-12

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Phokgoân Chio̍h wrote:

Lausu,

Goa khoanntioh e iugoan siokang. Goa ma kangkhoan si Ubuntu 8.04 + Hoehouli

(Firefox) 3.0 Beta.

Goa iong Windows XP + Hoehouli, kap Ubuntu + Hoehouli, khoanntioh longsi

anne.

Tongjian, ti bunchiunn laite e sichun khoann khilai bo chiah benghian.

Pianchip e sichun khoann khah chhengchho. Kiangi lausu etang chhigiam chit-e

-- ti u tiauho e ji thaucheng, jih Backspace. Na chengsiong e ji, li jih 1

pai toh thaitiau 1 ji; nasi Kimeng siansinn e ji, li ai jih 2 pai chiah

ethangtit thai 1 ji (Jih teit pai, thai tiauho. Jih teji pai, thai jibo.)

Bo tohsi ka ji hongtoa, toh khoann echhutlai. Suijian kong khoann bunchiunn

e sichun ma kangkhoan e-khoanntit, mkoh chongsi anne chuliau toh u chittiama

hokchap. Jichhiann iong nngthe ma boetang chengsiong choan. (Goa beh iong

ToCyrillic e Transliterate ka tiauho choan souji, boe-choantit, inui i bo

jintit chiae ji.)

Taikai si anne :D

Mchaiiann Kimeng siansinn e khi 13TBI bo? :o Goa chin siunnbeh chaiiann li

iong siannmih nngthe phahji :D

Phokgoan,

Lakgoeh c6, 2008

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Kiatgak Lau wrote:

Phokgoan,

   Kângkhoán neh… Goá tī hùtóng khǹg 1 tiuⁿ tô͘, hō͘ lí chhamkhó

chi̍tē.

Téngbīn sī líê phoe ê siáhoat, ēkha sī goá káikoè ê.

Goa ti Ubuntu eng Firefox khoann Kimeng hiann e phoe long chengsiong,

bo tekpiat siatteng jiheng.

Chhiann mng li e khoankeng si…?

Kiatgak

2008-06-05

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Phokgoân Chio̍h

wrote:

Kimêng siansiⁿ,

   Kângkhoán neh… Goá tī hùtóng khǹg 1 tiuⁿ tô͘, hō͘ lí chhamkhó

chi̍tē.

Téngbīn sī líê phoe ê siáhoat, ēkha sī goá káikoè ê.

   Mā siūⁿbeh chhiáⁿmn̄g lí iōng siáⁿmih suji̍phoat leh :D

Phokgoan,

La̍kgoe̍h c4, 2008

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:29 PM, gugarn.giatou

wrote:

Chio̍h siàn,

Ti kehsek kāi káitńglâi sûnbûnjī khoàⁿ ōe mài koh chhuthiān

lí

kóngê cho͘ha̍pjī--bōe?  Chhiáⁿ kohchài chítiám.  Lóla̍t.

 Kakī

閉門造車 to̍hōe ū chitchióng kiatkó.  Kámsiā lí lâi the̍hchhíⁿ

hō͘goá

ū káisiān ê kihōe.  Mài koh chōsêng ta̍kke ê khùnjiáu.

 Mâhoân

koh pang goá khoàⁿ ū káikoat--bô?

Chhoà Kimêng

….

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: Kiatgak Lau
Date: 2008-06-12 06:42:50

Phokgoan,Gaucha!

Eh… Lausu, goa tann chin khakteng lie chengheng kap goa siokang louh.

Bo siann siosiang. Li souu e chouhapji (pauham "kai2" e "a2", …) hiansi e si long thiah hunkhui.

Chhiann li khoann hutong. Laite goa u ka li liah e tou kohchai liah hou li khoann.

He si tiauho khng bo hose, khoann--khaii bo hiah suikhui, chong--si jibo kap tiauho bo thiah cho 2 ui.> … "i" tengbine 1 hoainn e7 chau khi. Che msi lie jiheng e bunte, si inui i

punsin si chouhap ji chiah e anne.

Chuliau punsin si chouhapji bo m tioh.Mkoh che ma si jiheng (kap nngthe) e bunte. (soui chin che bangiah chhiann lang eng "Hoehouli")Te 8 siann lai kong, "chioh8", "lat8", … tianntioh si eng chouhap--e. Beh chengkhak hiansi, tiohai nngthe kap jiheng sio phoehap.

Soui goa tengpai chiah e7 kong, iong khoann e khah boechun. Etang ka hiae ji copy lohlai, ti u tiau7 e souchai jih BACKSPACE, chengsiong ji si 1pai toh etang thaitiau, chouhapji ai 2pai -- Teit pai thai tiauho, te-2 pai thai jibo. Etang iong chite honghoat lai chhi khoannmai leh.

Khoann nngthe. Khah kiong5 e nngthe, li jih BACKSPACE, 1 pai to thaitiau. Khopi kong, Ubuntu siong kipun e editor (gedit) to si anni chhuli.

Chongsi, nachun tansun takke khoann tongjian bo bunte. Ma mbian hoanlo chiah choe. Mkoh nachun chuliau beh lau lohlai, chuliau chhuli kholeng toh e7 chin u bunte.

Betang anne kong. Chouhapji ma si huhap phiauchun e chuliau (NFD), soui goa chiah chhiann li chhamkho "Unicode Normalization Forms" (http://unicode.org/reports/tr15/).Bunte si nngthe (kap jiheng) e chioan thengtou kau tah.

… Jichhiann iong nngthe ma boetang chengsiong choan. (Goa beh iong ToCyrillic e Transliterate ka tiauho choan souji, boe-choantit, inui i bo jintit chiae ji.)

Che khaksit si 1 e (hiansit e tu--tioh) e bunte.

Goa chahng na tuhku na sia email, laukau 1 hang. Li etang eng Holopedia e "Seng Khoannmai", i e ka etang tauchohoe--e long seng tau--khilai. (Isu tosi kong Kimeng hiann khi phah Holopedia e bunchiunn, be u bunte.) Asi ka chuliau chhau koe gedit ma etang.Pouchhiong, icha Henry u sia koe bunchiunn chin oancheng lai tholun chit e "bunte".Bong chhamkho.Kiatgak 2008-06-12

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:45 AM, Phokgoân Chio̍h wrote:

Eh… Lausu, goa tann chin khakteng lie chengheng kap goa siokang louh. Chhiann li khoann hutong. Laite goa u ka li liah e tou kohchai liah hou li khoann.

Ubuntu punte si khah sui, soui i e7 piauhian kah hou li khoann boechhutlai.

XP iong khoann e toh etang khoann chhutlai ah. Iuki si "i7", li e7 hoathian "i" tengbine 1 hoainn e7 chau khi. Che msi lie jiheng e bunte, si inui i punsin si chouhap ji chiah e anne. Kisit li ma etang khoann echhutlai, te-5 tiau ma u chaukhi, pilun "e5". Hit teng "bo7-a" long msi koa3 ti jibo e chiann tengbin, e7 oaikhi.

Soui goa tengpai chiah e7 kong, iong khoann e khah boechun. Etang ka hiae ji copy lohlai, ti u tiau7 e souchai jih BACKSPACE, chengsiong ji si 1pai toh etang thaitiau, chouhapji ai 2pai -- Teit pai thai tiauho, te-2 pai thai jibo. Etang iong chite honghoat lai chhi khoannmai leh.

Chongsi, nachun tansun takke khoann tongjian bo bunte. Ma mbian hoanlo chiah choe. Mkoh nachun chuliau beh lau lohlai, chuliau chhuli kholeng toh e7 chin u bunte. Soui goa chiah e7 mng Kimeng hiann si iong tohchit tho sujiphoat ^^"

Phokgoan, Lakgoeh 12, 2008

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:37 AM, Kiatgak Lau wrote:

Phokgoan,

Goa iong Windows XP + Hoehouli, kap Ubuntu + Hoehouli, khoanntioh longsi anne.

Chiann simsek, goa 2 chiong chengheng khoann long chengsiong (chhiann khoann hutong). XP, m kann kong; Ubuntu, tu chng bo joa ku, hethong kai chhengkhi. M chai kap li e hethong chengchha ti toh?

… Jichhiann iong nngthe ma boetang chengsiong choan. (Goa beh iong ToCyrillic e Transliterate ka tiauho choan souji, boe-choantit, inui i bo jintit chiae ji.)

Che khaksit si 1 e (hiansit e tu--tioh) e bunte.

Eng "precomposed"--e (NFC) si khah ho--koa; chong--si, eng chouhap--e (NFD) ma si huhap Unicode phiauchun e chohoat. Chhiann chhamkho "Unicode Normalization Forms" (http://unicode.org/reports/tr15/).

Bong chhamkho.

Kiatgak 2008-06-12

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Phokgoân Chio̍h wrote:

Lausu,

Goa khoanntioh e iugoan siokang. Goa ma kangkhoan si Ubuntu 8.04 + Hoehouli (Firefox) 3.0 Beta.

Goa iong Windows XP + Hoehouli, kap Ubuntu + Hoehouli, khoanntioh longsi anne.

Tongjian, ti bunchiunn laite e sichun khoann khilai bo chiah benghian. Pianchip e sichun khoann khah chhengchho. Kiangi lausu etang chhigiam chit-e -- ti u tiauho e ji thaucheng, jih Backspace. Na chengsiong e ji, li jih 1 pai toh thaitiau 1 ji; nasi Kimeng siansinn e ji, li ai jih 2 pai chiah ethangtit thai 1 ji (Jih teit pai, thai tiauho. Jih teji pai, thai jibo.)

Bo tohsi ka ji hongtoa, toh khoann echhutlai. Suijian kong khoann bunchiunn e sichun ma kangkhoan e-khoanntit, mkoh chongsi anne chuliau toh u chittiama hokchap. Jichhiann iong nngthe ma boetang chengsiong choan. (Goa beh iong ToCyrillic e Transliterate ka tiauho choan souji, boe-choantit, inui i bo jintit chiae ji.)

Taikai si anne :D

Mchaiiann Kimeng siansinn e khi 13TBI bo? :o Goa chin siunnbeh chaiiann li iong siannmih nngthe phahji :D

Phokgoan, Lakgoeh c6, 2008

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Kiatgak Lau wrote:

Phokgoan,

Kângkhoán neh… Goá tī hùtóng khǹg 1 tiuⁿ tô͘, hō͘ lí chhamkhó chi̍tē. Téngbīn sī líê phoe ê siáhoat, ēkha sī goá káikoè ê.

Goa ti Ubuntu eng Firefox khoann Kimeng hiann e phoe long chengsiong, bo tekpiat siatteng jiheng.

Chhiann mng li e khoankeng si…?

Kiatgak 2008-06-05

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Phokgoân Chio̍h wrote:

Kimêng siansiⁿ,

Kângkhoán neh… Goá tī hùtóng khǹg 1 tiuⁿ tô͘, hō͘ lí chhamkhó chi̍tē. Téngbīn sī líê phoe ê siáhoat, ēkha sī goá káikoè ê.

Mā siūⁿbeh chhiáⁿmn̄g lí iōng siáⁿmih suji̍phoat leh :D

Phokgoan, La̍kgoe̍h c4, 2008

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:29 PM, gugarn.giatou

wrote:

Chio̍h siàn,

Ti kehsek kāi káitńglâi sûnbûnjī khoàⁿ ōe mài koh chhuthiān lí kóngê cho͘ha̍pjī--bōe? Chhiáⁿ kohchài chítiám. Lóla̍t. Kakī 閉門造車 to̍hōe ū chitchióng kiatkó. Kámsiā lí lâi the̍hchhíⁿ hō͘goá ū káisiān ê kihōe. Mài koh chōsêng ta̍kke ê khùnjiáu. Mâhoân koh pang goá khoàⁿ ū káikoat--bô?

Chhoà Kimêng ….

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: Phokgoân Chio̍h
Date: 2008-06-12 13:54:40

Kiatgak lausu,

   Anne ho, goa liaukai! Chin tosia. Goa i-au tutioh anne e iong MediaWiki seng choan 1 pian. Chincheng goa longsi kati chhiutong choan. Inui beh tah khilih Taigu Bang Bulok tengbin. Chhiutong choan sitchai e choan kui pou…

   http://taigubang.blogspot.com/2008/06/go-chiok-i-chh-kiho-thak-si-lmj.html

   Blogspot (Blogger) peng boe tau choanoann.

Phokgoan, Lakgoeh 12, 2008

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 6:42 AM, Kiatgak Lau wrote:

Phokgoan,

Gaucha!

Eh… Lausu, goa tann chin khakteng lie chengheng kap goa siokang louh.

Bo siann siosiang. Li souu e chouhapji (pauham "kai2" e "a2", …)

hiansi e si long thiah hunkhui.

Chhiann li khoann hutong. Laite goa u ka li liah e tou kohchai liah hou li

khoann.

He si tiauho khng bo hose, khoann--khaii bo hiah suikhui, chong--si

jibo kap tiauho bo thiah cho 2 ui.

… "i" tengbine 1 hoainn e7 chau khi. Che msi lie jiheng e bunte, si inui i

punsin si chouhap ji chiah e anne.

Chuliau punsin si chouhapji bo m tioh.

Mkoh che ma si jiheng (kap nngthe) e bunte. (soui chin che bangiah

chhiann lang eng "Hoehouli")

Te 8 siann lai kong, "chioh8", "lat8", … tianntioh si eng

chouhap--e. Beh chengkhak hiansi, tiohai nngthe kap jiheng sio

phoehap.

Soui goa tengpai chiah e7 kong, iong khoann e khah boechun. Etang ka hiae ji

copy lohlai, ti u tiau7 e souchai jih BACKSPACE, chengsiong ji si 1pai toh

etang thaitiau, chouhapji ai 2pai -- Teit pai thai tiauho, te-2 pai thai

jibo. Etang iong chite honghoat lai chhi khoannmai leh.

Khoann nngthe. Khah kiong5 e nngthe, li jih BACKSPACE, 1 pai to

thaitiau. Khopi kong, Ubuntu siong kipun e editor (gedit) to si anni

chhuli.

Chongsi, nachun tansun takke khoann tongjian bo bunte. Ma mbian hoanlo chiah

choe. Mkoh nachun chuliau beh lau lohlai, chuliau chhuli kholeng toh e7 chin

u bunte.

Betang anne kong. Chouhapji ma si huhap phiauchun e chuliau (NFD),

soui goa chiah chhiann li chhamkho "Unicode Normalization Forms"

(http://unicode.org/reports/tr15/).

Bunte si nngthe (kap jiheng) e chioan thengtou kau tah.

… Jichhiann iong nngthe ma boetang chengsiong choan. (Goa beh iong

ToCyrillic e Transliterate ka tiauho choan souji, boe-choantit, inui i

bo

jintit chiae ji.)

Che khaksit si 1 e (hiansit e tu--tioh) e bunte.

Goa chahng na tuhku na sia email, laukau 1 hang. Li etang eng

Holopedia e "Seng Khoannmai", i e ka etang tauchohoe--e long seng

tau--khilai. (Isu tosi kong Kimeng hiann khi phah Holopedia e

bunchiunn, be u bunte.) Asi ka chuliau chhau koe gedit ma etang.

Pouchhiong, icha Henry u sia koe bunchiunn chin oancheng lai tholun

chit e "bunte".

Bong chhamkho.

Kiatgak

2008-06-12

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:45 AM, Phokgoân Chio̍h wrote:

Eh… Lausu, goa tann chin khakteng lie chengheng kap goa siokang louh.

Chhiann li khoann hutong. Laite goa u ka li liah e tou kohchai liah hou li

khoann.

Ubuntu punte si khah sui, soui i e7 piauhian kah hou li khoann boechhutlai.

XP iong khoann e toh etang khoann chhutlai ah. Iuki si "i7", li e7 hoathian

"i" tengbine 1 hoainn e7 chau khi. Che msi lie jiheng e bunte, si inui i

punsin si chouhap ji chiah e anne. Kisit li ma etang khoann echhutlai, te-5

tiau ma u chaukhi, pilun "e5". Hit teng "bo7-a" long msi koa3 ti jibo e

chiann tengbin, e7 oaikhi.

Soui goa tengpai chiah e7 kong, iong khoann e khah boechun. Etang ka hiae ji

copy lohlai, ti u tiau7 e souchai jih BACKSPACE, chengsiong ji si 1pai toh

etang thaitiau, chouhapji ai 2pai -- Teit pai thai tiauho, te-2 pai thai

jibo. Etang iong chite honghoat lai chhi khoannmai leh.

Chongsi, nachun tansun takke khoann tongjian bo bunte. Ma mbian hoanlo chiah

choe. Mkoh nachun chuliau beh lau lohlai, chuliau chhuli kholeng toh e7 chin

u bunte. Soui goa chiah e7 mng Kimeng hiann si iong tohchit tho sujiphoat

^^"

Phokgoan,

Lakgoeh 12, 2008

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:37 AM, Kiatgak Lau wrote:

Phokgoan,

Goa iong Windows XP + Hoehouli, kap Ubuntu + Hoehouli, khoanntioh longsi

anne.

Chiann simsek, goa 2 chiong chengheng khoann long chengsiong (chhiann

khoann hutong).  XP, m kann kong; Ubuntu, tu chng bo joa ku, hethong

kai chhengkhi.  M chai kap li e hethong chengchha ti toh?

… Jichhiann iong nngthe ma boetang chengsiong choan. (Goa beh iong

ToCyrillic e Transliterate ka tiauho choan souji, boe-choantit, inui i

bo

jintit chiae ji.)

Che khaksit si 1 e (hiansit e tu--tioh) e bunte.

Eng "precomposed"--e (NFC) si khah ho--koa; chong--si, eng chouhap--e

(NFD) ma si huhap Unicode phiauchun e chohoat. Chhiann chhamkho

"Unicode Normalization Forms" (http://unicode.org/reports/tr15/).

Bong chhamkho.

Kiatgak

2008-06-12

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Phokgoân Chio̍h

wrote:

Lausu,

Goa khoanntioh e iugoan siokang. Goa ma kangkhoan si Ubuntu 8.04 +

Hoehouli

(Firefox) 3.0 Beta.

Goa iong Windows XP + Hoehouli, kap Ubuntu + Hoehouli, khoanntioh longsi

anne.

Tongjian, ti bunchiunn laite e sichun khoann khilai bo chiah benghian.

Pianchip e sichun khoann khah chhengchho. Kiangi lausu etang chhigiam

chit-e

-- ti u tiauho e ji thaucheng, jih Backspace. Na chengsiong e ji, li jih

1

pai toh thaitiau 1 ji; nasi Kimeng siansinn e ji, li ai jih 2 pai chiah

ethangtit thai 1 ji (Jih teit pai, thai tiauho. Jih teji pai, thai

jibo.)

Bo tohsi ka ji hongtoa, toh khoann echhutlai. Suijian kong khoann

bunchiunn

e sichun ma kangkhoan e-khoanntit, mkoh chongsi anne chuliau toh u

chittiama

hokchap. Jichhiann iong nngthe ma boetang chengsiong choan. (Goa beh

iong

ToCyrillic e Transliterate ka tiauho choan souji, boe-choantit, inui i

bo

jintit chiae ji.)

Taikai si anne :D

Mchaiiann Kimeng siansinn e khi 13TBI bo? :o Goa chin siunnbeh chaiiann

li

iong siannmih nngthe phahji :D

Phokgoan,

Lakgoeh c6, 2008

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Kiatgak Lau wrote:

Phokgoan,

   Kângkhoán neh… Goá tī hùtóng khǹg 1 tiuⁿ tô͘, hō͘ lí chhamkhó

chi̍tē.

Téngbīn sī líê phoe ê siáhoat, ēkha sī goá káikoè ê.

Goa ti Ubuntu eng Firefox khoann Kimeng hiann e phoe long chengsiong,

bo tekpiat siatteng jiheng.

Chhiann mng li e khoankeng si…?

Kiatgak

2008-06-05

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Phokgoân Chio̍h

wrote:

Kimêng siansiⁿ,

   Kângkhoán neh… Goá tī hùtóng khǹg 1 tiuⁿ tô͘, hō͘ lí chhamkhó

chi̍tē.

Téngbīn sī líê phoe ê siáhoat, ēkha sī goá káikoè ê.

   Mā siūⁿbeh chhiáⁿmn̄g lí iōng siáⁿmih suji̍phoat leh :D

Phokgoan,

La̍kgoe̍h c4, 2008

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:29 PM, gugarn.giatou

wrote:

Chio̍h siàn,

Ti kehsek kāi káitńglâi sûnbûnjī khoàⁿ ōe mài koh

chhuthiān

lí

kóngê cho͘ha̍pjī--bōe?  Chhiáⁿ kohchài chítiám.  Lóla̍t.

 Kakī

閉門造車 to̍hōe ū chitchióng kiatkó.  Kámsiā lí lâi the̍hchhíⁿ

hō͘goá

ū káisiān ê kihōe.  Mài koh chōsêng ta̍kke ê khùnjiáu.

 Mâhoân

koh pang goá khoàⁿ ū káikoat--bô?

Chhoà Kimêng

….

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

From: gugarn.giatou
Date: 2008-06-12 16:56:29

Kamsia line iongsim.

 

Ma toh ai u lin, goan tah piN u lian.

Chioh8-sian3, sng khi lai u tapan loh.  Goa kaki tnglai ti goae khoankeng, nngthe piN khoaN mai e khah tiongiau.

 

Lolat!

 

Chhoa Kimeng

----- Original Message -----

From: Phokgoân Chio̍h

To: Kiatgak Lau ; Google TGB

Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:54 PM

Subject: [tgb] Re: Goa chiok-ai chhe ki-hoe thak, sia Lo-ma-ji.

Kiatgak lausu,

   Anne ho, goa liaukai! Chin tosia. Goa i-au tutioh anne e iong MediaWiki seng choan 1 pian. Chincheng goa longsi kati chhiutong choan. Inui beh tah khilih Taigu Bang Bulok tengbin. Chhiutong choan sitchai e choan kui pou…

   http://taigubang.blogspot.com/2008/06/go-chiok-i-chh-kiho-thak-si-lmj.html

   Blogspot (Blogger) peng boe tau choanoann.

Phokgoan, Lakgoeh 12, 2008

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 6:42 AM, Kiatgak Lau wrote:

Phokgoan,

Gaucha!

Eh... Lausu, goa tann chin khakteng lie chengheng kap goa siokang 
louh.

Bo siann siosiang. Li souu e chouhapji (pauham "kai2" e "a2", …) hiansi e si long thiah hunkhui.

Chhiann li khoann hutong. Laite goa u ka li liah e tou kohchai liah hou li

khoann.

He si tiauho khng bo hose, khoann--khaii bo hiah suikhui, chong--si jibo kap tiauho bo thiah cho 2 ui.

… "i" tengbine 1 hoainn e7 chau khi. Che msi lie jiheng e bunte, si inui i punsin si chouhap ji chiah e anne.

Chuliau punsin si chouhapji bo m tioh.

Mkoh che ma si jiheng (kap nngthe) e bunte. (soui chin che bangiah chhiann lang eng "Hoehouli")

Te 8 siann lai kong, "chioh8", "lat8", … tianntioh si eng chouhap--e. Beh chengkhak hiansi, tiohai nngthe kap jiheng sio phoehap.

Soui goa tengpai chiah e7 kong, iong khoann e khah boechun. Etang ka hiae ji copy lohlai, ti u tiau7 e souchai jih BACKSPACE, chengsiong ji si 1pai toh etang thaitiau, chouhapji ai 2pai -- Teit pai thai tiauho, te-2 pai thai

jibo. Etang iong chite honghoat lai chhi khoannmai leh.

Khoann nngthe. Khah kiong5 e nngthe, li jih BACKSPACE, 1 pai to thaitiau. Khopi kong, Ubuntu siong kipun e editor (gedit) to si anni chhuli.

Chongsi, nachun tansun takke khoann tongjian bo bunte. Ma mbian hoanlo 
chiah choe. Mkoh nachun chuliau beh lau lohlai, chuliau chhuli 
kholeng toh e7 chin u bunte.

Betang anne kong. Chouhapji ma si huhap phiauchun e chuliau (NFD), soui goa chiah chhiann li chhamkho "Unicode Normalization Forms" (http://unicode.org/reports/tr15/).

Bunte si nngthe (kap jiheng) e chioan thengtou kau tah.

… Jichhiann iong nngthe ma boetang chengsiong choan. (Goa beh iong

ToCyrillic e Transliterate ka tiauho choan souji, boe-choantit, inui 
i bo jintit chiae 
ji.)

Che khaksit si 1 e (hiansit e tu--tioh) e bunte.

Goa chahng na tuhku na sia email, laukau 1 hang. Li etang eng Holopedia e "Seng Khoannmai", i e ka etang tauchohoe--e long seng tau--khilai. (Isu tosi kong Kimeng hiann khi phah Holopedia e bunchiunn, be u bunte.) Asi ka chuliau chhau koe gedit ma etang.

Pouchhiong, icha Henry u sia koe bunchiunn chin oancheng lai tholun chit e "bunte".

Bong chhamkho.

Kiatgak 2008-06-12

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:45 AM, Phokgoân Chio̍h
wrote:

Eh… Lausu, goa tann chin khakteng lie chengheng kap goa siokang louh. Chhiann li khoann hutong. Laite goa u ka li liah e tou kohchai liah hou li khoann.

Ubuntu punte si khah sui, soui i e7 piauhian kah hou li khoann boechhutlai.

XP iong khoann e toh etang khoann chhutlai ah. Iuki si "i7", li e7 hoathian "i" tengbine 1 hoainn e7 chau khi. Che msi lie jiheng e bunte, si inui i punsin si chouhap ji chiah e anne. Kisit li ma etang khoann echhutlai, te-5 tiau ma u chaukhi, pilun "e5". Hit teng "bo7-a" long msi koa3 ti jibo e chiann tengbin, e7 oaikhi.

Soui goa tengpai chiah e7 kong, iong khoann e khah boechun. Etang ka hiae ji copy lohlai, ti u tiau7 e souchai jih BACKSPACE, chengsiong ji si 1pai toh etang thaitiau, chouhapji ai 2pai -- Teit pai thai tiauho, te-2 pai thai jibo. Etang iong chite honghoat lai chhi khoannmai leh.

Chongsi, nachun tansun takke khoann tongjian bo bunte. Ma mbian hoanlo chiah choe. Mkoh nachun chuliau beh lau lohlai, chuliau chhuli kholeng toh e7 chin u bunte. Soui goa chiah e7 mng Kimeng hiann si iong tohchit tho sujiphoat ^^"

Phokgoan, Lakgoeh 12, 2008

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:37 AM, Kiatgak Lau
wrote:

Phokgoan,

Goa iong Windows XP + Hoehouli, kap Ubuntu + Hoehouli, khoanntioh longsi anne.

Chiann simsek, goa 2 chiong chengheng khoann long chengsiong (chhiann khoann hutong).  XP, m kann kong; Ubuntu, tu chng bo joa ku, hethong kai chhengkhi.  M chai kap li e hethong chengchha ti toh?

… Jichhiann iong nngthe ma boetang chengsiong choan. (Goa beh iong ToCyrillic e Transliterate ka tiauho choan souji, boe-choantit, inui i bo

> jintit chiae ji.)

Che khaksit si 1 e (hiansit e tu--tioh) e bunte.

Eng "precomposed"--e (NFC) si khah ho--koa; chong--si, eng chouhap--e (NFD) ma si huhap Unicode phiauchun e chohoat. Chhiann chhamkho "Unicode Normalization Forms" (http://unicode.org/reports/tr15/).

Bong chhamkho.

Kiatgak

2008-06-12

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Phokgoân Chio̍h

wrote: > Lausu, > > Goa 
khoanntioh e iugoan siokang. Goa ma kangkhoan si Ubuntu 8.04 +

> Hoehouli > (Firefox) 3.0 Beta.

> > Goa iong Windows XP + Hoehouli, kap Ubuntu + Hoehouli, 
khoanntioh longsi > anne. > > 
Tongjian, ti bunchiunn laite e sichun khoann khilai bo chiah 
benghian. > Pianchip e sichun khoann khah chhengchho. Kiangi 
lausu etang chhigiam > chit-e > -- ti u tiauho 
e ji thaucheng, jih Backspace. Na chengsiong e ji, li jih > 
1 > pai toh thaitiau 1 ji; nasi Kimeng siansinn e ji, li ai 
jih 2 pai chiah > ethangtit thai 1 ji (Jih teit pai, thai 
tiauho. Jih teji pai, thai > jibo.)

> > Bo tohsi ka ji hongtoa, toh khoann echhutlai. Suijian 
kong khoann > bunchiunn > e sichun ma 
kangkhoan e-khoanntit, mkoh chongsi anne chuliau toh u > 
chittiama > hokchap. Jichhiann iong nngthe ma boetang 
chengsiong choan. (Goa beh > iong > ToCyrillic 
e Transliterate ka tiauho choan souji, boe-choantit, inui i > 
bo > jintit chiae ji.) > > 
Taikai si anne :D > > Mchaiiann Kimeng 
siansinn e khi 13TBI bo? :o Goa chin siunnbeh chaiiann > 
li > iong siannmih nngthe phahji :D

> > Phokgoan, > Lakgoeh c6, 
2008 > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:19 PM, 
Kiatgak Lau  
wrote: >> >> Phokgoan,

>> >> >    Kângkhoán neh... Goá tī 
hùtóng khǹg 1 tiuⁿ tô͘, hō͘ lí chhamkhó >> > 
chi̍tē. >> > Téngbīn sī líê phoe ê siáhoat, ēkha sī goá 
káikoè ê. >> >> Goa ti Ubuntu eng 
Firefox khoann Kimeng hiann e phoe long chengsiong, >> bo 
tekpiat siatteng jiheng. >> >> Chhiann 
mng li e khoankeng si...? >> >> 
Kiatgak >> 2008-06-05 >>

>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Phokgoân Chio̍h 

>> wrote: >> > Kimêng siansiⁿ,

>> > >> >    Kângkhoán neh... Goá tī 
hùtóng khǹg 1 tiuⁿ tô͘, hō͘ lí chhamkhó >> > 
chi̍tē. >> > Téngbīn sī líê phoe ê siáhoat, ēkha sī goá 
káikoè ê. >> > >> >   
 Mā siūⁿbeh chhiáⁿmn̄g lí iōng siáⁿmih suji̍phoat leh :D

>> > >> > Phokgoan, >> > 
La̍kgoe̍h c4, 2008 >> > >> > On 
Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:29 PM, gugarn.giatou >> > 

>> > wrote: >> >> >> 
>> Chio̍h siàn, >> >> >> 
>> Ti kehsek kāi káitńglâi sûnbûnjī khoàⁿ ōe mài 
koh >> >> chhuthiān >> >> 
lí >> >> kóngê cho͘ha̍pjī--bōe?  Chhiáⁿ 
kohchài chítiám.  Lóla̍t. >> >> 
 Kakī >> >> 閉門造車 to̍hōe ū chitchióng 
kiatkó.  Kámsiā lí lâi the̍hchhíⁿ >> >> 
hō͘goá >> >> ū káisiān ê kihōe.  Mài 
koh chōsêng ta̍kke ê khùnjiáu. >> >> 
 Mâhoân >> >> koh pang goá khoàⁿ ū 
káikoat--bô? >> >> >> >> 
Chhoà Kimêng

….

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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Hoi-liuk-fa e kau-chai

From: 天
Date: 2008-06-30 13:47:53

Li̍pbûn hiaⁿ lí hó, ta̍kgê hó: Túchiah tī bānglō͘ téng chhoē-tio̍h chi̍t pún káisoeh Lio̍k'hong hakka gí ê chheh: http://books.google.com/books?id=VC4OAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA220&dq=hakka+sentences&lr=&hl=es#PPP2,M1

Chit pún chheh ēng hôlân oē siá ê.  I teh káisoeh Lio̍k'hong ê khehgí, m̄ sī Tâi'oân ê.  M̄ koh chin chhùbī. aThiⁿ

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Re: RE: [tgb] Re: Hoi-liuk-fa e kau-chai

From: levin
Date: 2008-06-30 21:07:44

To-sia A-thiN hiaN.

Chit-pun Ho-lan chheh, chin-cheng goa bat khoaN lang sio-khoa kai-siau koe. M-koh m-si goa chit-ma su-iau..e.

 

Lip-bun

 

-----Original Message----- From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of 天 Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 1:48 PM To: tai 語網 Subject: [tgb] Re: Hoi-liuk-fa e kau-chai

Li̍pbûn hiaⁿ lí hó, ta̍kgê hó: Túchiah tī bānglō͘ téng chhoē-tio̍h chi̍t pún káisoeh Lio̍k'hong hakka gí ê chheh: http://books.google.com/books?id=VC4OAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA220&dq=hakka+sentences&lr=&hl=es#PPP2,M1 Chit pún chheh ēng hôlân oē siá ê.  I teh káisoeh Lio̍k'hong ê khehgí, m̄ sī Tâi'oân ê.  M̄ koh chin chhùbī. aThiⁿ