Tai-gi Sin-bong-ai ti Win8 lai-te e gmail bo-hoat-too phahji??
Tai-gi Sin-bong-ai ti Win8 lai-te e gmail bo-hoat-too phahji??
From: uibun
Date: 2013-08-06 20:54:14
Chuniok t.l. kap takke ho,
Chhengkau kok-ui, goa choe-kin sin be2 Win8 e notebook, ti Word 2013 lai-te ok, m-koh ti Gmail lai-te beh phaj email e-si soah bo-hoat-too chengsiong su-iong. Kam su-iau tiau-heng siann? Iah-si bokchian e su-jip-hoat pan-pun bo chi-chhi? Loo-lat!
-- Uibun
Taiffalo's Study of Eco-linguistics of Society Tai-gi / Oat-lam Gian-kiu-sek & Center for Taiwanese Languages Testing & Center for Vietnamese Studies & Department of Taiwanese Literature National Cheng Kung University, TAIWAN http://uibun.twl.ncku.edu.tw http://ctlt.twl.ncku.edu.tw
http://cvs.twl.ncku.edu.tw E-mail: (private) E-mail: (office)
Tel: +886-6-2757575 ext 52627 (O) Fax: +886-6-2755190 *******************
Re: Re: Tai-gi Sin-bong-ai ti Win8 lai-te e gmail bo-hoat-too phahji??
From: Lim Chun-iok
Date: 2013-08-06 22:32:14
為文教授, 平安
He是Gmail無100%支援Unicode ê問題， 請你使用 Firefox to̍h無問題。
請問你chit-má人tī tó位？
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:54 AM, uibun wrote:
Chuniok t.l. kap takke ho,
Chhengkau kok-ui, goa choe-kin sin be2 Win8 e notebook, ti Word 2013 lai-te ok, m-koh ti Gmail lai-te beh phaj email e-si soah bo-hoat-too chengsiong su-iong. Kam su-iau tiau-heng siann? Iah-si bokchian e su-jip-hoat pan-pun bo chi-chhi? Loo-lat!
-- Uibun
Taiffalo's Study of Eco-linguistics of Society Tai-gi / Oat-lam Gian-kiu-sek & Center for Taiwanese Languages Testing &
Center for Vietnamese Studies & Department of Taiwanese Literature National Cheng Kung University, TAIWAN http://uibun.twl.ncku.edu.tw http://ctlt.twl.ncku.edu.tw
http://cvs.twl.ncku.edu.tw E-mail: (private) E-mail: (office)
Tel: +886-6-2757575 ext 52627 (O) Fax: +886-6-2755190 *******************
-- 基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！ Lim Chun-iok http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字) http://hakka.fhl.net http://taigi.fhl.net
Re: Fwd: Tai-gi Sin-bong-ai ti Win8 lai-te e gmail bo-hoat-too phahji??
From: Lim Chun-iok
Date: 2013-08-15 01:58:35
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Lukhnos Liu
Date: Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Tai-gi Sin-bong-ai ti Win8 lai-te e gmail bo-hoat-too phahji?? To: Lim Chun-iok Cc: Pektiong Tan
Lîm-san,
歹勢最近實在真無閒。我 ê 了解 sī FHL 應該會當 tī Windows 8 ê "傳統模式" 使用，若是 ū "虛擬鍵盤" (virtual keyboard / soft keyboard) iā-sī 觸碰螢幕模式 ("Metro mode") tio̍h buē-sái. 蔣教授 ê screenshot 應該 sī 其中一種情形。
d.
On Aug 6, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Lim Chun-iok wrote:
劉燈, 柏中, 平安
最近好無？
請看下面是蔣為文教授tī Win8 tú-tio̍h ê問題。
請問咱信望愛台語客語輸入法kám有適用Win8？
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: uibun
Date: Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: Tai-gi Sin-bong-ai ti Win8 lai-te e gmail bo-hoat-too phahji??
To: Lim Chun-iok
Chuniok t.l.
Goa chit-ma lang ti Jit-pun! Goa kai lai Tang-kiann Goa-kok-gi Tai-hak kheh-cho 1 tang.
Goa chit-ma ti Gmail tu-tioh e bun-te m-si tan-sun kan-tann poo-hun e tiau-hu chau-cheng--khi, si Tai-gi su-jip-hoat long kio be chhut-lai. Goa chit tai tian-nau si iong chhiu-bong to e-sai u tongchok. Mkoh, ti Tai-gi su-jip e boo-sek chi-ha, keyboard pian chhiunn e-bin anne bo hau7. Na ti Tiong-bun iah si Jitbun e boo-sek, long chengsiong e-sai phah-ji. Che m-chai si siann bunte?
--UB
2013/8/6 Lim Chun-iok
為文教授, 平安
He是Gmail無100%支援Unicode ê問題，
請你使用 Firefox to̍h無問題。
請問你chit-má人tī tó位？
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:54 AM, uibun wrote:
Chuniok t.l. kap takke ho,
Chhengkau kok-ui, goa choe-kin sin be2 Win8 e notebook, ti Word 2013 lai-te ok, m-koh ti Gmail lai-te beh phaj email e-si soah bo-hoat-too chengsiong su-iong. Kam su-iau tiau-heng siann? Iah-si bokchian e su-jip-hoat pan-pun bo chi-chhi? Loo-lat!
-- Uibun
Taiffalo's Study of Eco-linguistics of Society
Tai-gi / Oat-lam Gian-kiu-sek &
Center for Taiwanese Languages Testing &
Center for Vietnamese Studies &
Department of Taiwanese Literature
National Cheng Kung University, TAIWAN
E-mail: (private)
E-mail: (office)
Tel: +886-6-2757575 ext 52627 (O)
Fax: +886-6-2755190
--
基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！
Lim Chun-iok
http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字)
--
Taiffalo's Study of Eco-linguistics of Society
Tai-gi / Oat-lam Gian-kiu-sek &
Center for Taiwanese Languages Testing &
Center for Vietnamese Studies &
Department of Taiwanese Literature
National Cheng Kung University, TAIWAN
E-mail: (private)
E-mail: (office)
Tel: +886-6-2757575 ext 52627 (O)
Fax: +886-6-2755190
--
基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！
Lim Chun-iok
http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字)
-- 基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！ Lim Chun-iok http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字) http://hakka.fhl.net http://taigi.fhl.net
Re: RE: [tgb] Fwd: Tai-gi Sin-bong-ai ti Win8 lai-te e gmail bo-hoat-too phahji??
From: KOK-KI YAP
Date: 2013-08-17 18:27:24
Chun-Iok hiann:Goa choe kinkhai si iong W-8,, ma si u tu tioh chit e mun-te.
KOkki
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:58:35 -0400 Subject: [tgb] Fwd: Tai-gi Sin-bong-ai ti Win8 lai-te e gmail bo-hoat-too phahji?? From: To: ;
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Lukhnos Liu
Date: Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Tai-gi Sin-bong-ai ti Win8 lai-te e gmail bo-hoat-too phahji?? To: Lim Chun-iok Cc: Pektiong Tan
Lîm-san,
歹勢最近實在真無閒。我 ê 了解 sī FHL 應該會當 tī Windows 8 ê "傳統模式" 使用，若是 ū "虛擬鍵盤" (virtual keyboard / soft keyboard) iā-sī 觸碰螢幕模式 ("Metro mode") tio̍h buē-sái. 蔣教授 ê screenshot 應該 sī 其中一種情形。
d.
On Aug 6, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Lim Chun-iok wrote:
劉燈, 柏中, 平安
最近好無？
請看下面是蔣為文教授tī Win8 tú-tio̍h ê問題。
請問咱信望愛台語客語輸入法kám有適用Win8？
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: uibun
Date: Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: Tai-gi Sin-bong-ai ti Win8 lai-te e gmail bo-hoat-too phahji??
To: Lim Chun-iok
Chuniok t.l.
Goa chit-ma lang ti Jit-pun! Goa kai lai Tang-kiann Goa-kok-gi Tai-hak kheh-cho 1 tang.
Goa chit-ma ti Gmail tu-tioh e bun-te m-si tan-sun kan-tann poo-hun e tiau-hu chau-cheng--khi, si Tai-gi su-jip-hoat long kio be chhut-lai. Goa chit tai tian-nau si iong chhiu-bong to e-sai u tongchok. Mkoh, ti Tai-gi su-jip e boo-sek chi-ha, keyboard pian chhiunn e-bin anne bo hau7. Na ti Tiong-bun iah si Jitbun e boo-sek, long chengsiong e-sai phah-ji. Che m-chai si siann bunte?
--UB
2013/8/6 Lim Chun-iok
為文教授, 平安
He是Gmail無100%支援Unicode ê問題，
請你使用 Firefox to̍h無問題。
請問你chit-má人tī tó位？
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:54 AM, uibun wrote:
Chuniok t.l. kap takke ho,
Chhengkau kok-ui, goa choe-kin sin be2 Win8 e notebook, ti Word 2013 lai-te ok, m-koh ti Gmail lai-te beh phaj email e-si soah bo-hoat-too chengsiong su-iong. Kam su-iau tiau-heng siann? Iah-si bokchian e su-jip-hoat pan-pun bo chi-chhi? Loo-lat!
-- Uibun
Taiffalo's Study of Eco-linguistics of Society
Tai-gi / Oat-lam Gian-kiu-sek &
Center for Taiwanese Languages Testing &
Center for Vietnamese Studies &
Department of Taiwanese Literature
National Cheng Kung University, TAIWAN
E-mail: (private)
E-mail: (office)
Tel: +886-6-2757575 ext 52627 (O)
Fax: +886-6-2755190
--
基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！
Lim Chun-iok
http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字)
--
Taiffalo's Study of Eco-linguistics of Society
Tai-gi / Oat-lam Gian-kiu-sek &
Center for Taiwanese Languages Testing &
Center for Vietnamese Studies &
Department of Taiwanese Literature
National Cheng Kung University, TAIWAN
E-mail: (private)
E-mail: (office)
Tel: +886-6-2757575 ext 52627 (O)
Fax: +886-6-2755190
--
基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！
Lim Chun-iok
http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字)
-- 基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！ Lim Chun-iok http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字) http://hakka.fhl.net http://taigi.fhl.net
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Re: Re: Tai-gi Sin-bong-ai ti Win8 lai-te e gmail bo-hoat-too phahji??
From: uibun
Date: 2013-08-17 21:25:53
Chùn-io̍k t.l. kap ta-ke hó,
Góa kok chhì tiâu-chéng tiān-náu liáu, chit-má TG su-ji̍p-hoat ē-sái tī Win8 ē-bīn ê gmail lāi-té iōng thoân-thóng keyboard phah PE̍H-ŌE-JĪ. M-koh, bo-hooat-tō͘ iōng gîn-bō͘ ê keyboard su-ji̍p.
Í-siōng pò-kò.
--Ûi-bûn
2013/8/15 Lim Chun-iok
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Lukhnos Liu
Date: Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Tai-gi Sin-bong-ai ti Win8 lai-te e gmail bo-hoat-too phahji?? To: Lim Chun-iok
Cc: Pektiong Tan
Lîm-san,
歹勢最近實在真無閒。我 ê 了解 sī FHL 應該會當 tī Windows 8 ê "傳統模式" 使用，若是 ū "虛擬鍵盤" (virtual keyboard / soft keyboard) iā-sī 觸碰螢幕模式 ("Metro mode") tio̍h buē-sái. 蔣教授 ê screenshot 應該 sī 其中一種情形。
d.
On Aug 6, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Lim Chun-iok wrote:
劉燈, 柏中, 平安
最近好無？
請看下面是蔣為文教授tī Win8 tú-tio̍h ê問題。
請問咱信望愛台語客語輸入法kám有適用Win8？
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: uibun
Date: Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: Tai-gi Sin-bong-ai ti Win8 lai-te e gmail bo-hoat-too phahji??
To: Lim Chun-iok
Chuniok t.l.
Goa chit-ma lang ti Jit-pun! Goa kai lai Tang-kiann Goa-kok-gi Tai-hak kheh-cho 1 tang.
Goa chit-ma ti Gmail tu-tioh e bun-te m-si tan-sun kan-tann poo-hun e tiau-hu chau-cheng--khi, si Tai-gi su-jip-hoat long kio be chhut-lai. Goa chit tai tian-nau si iong chhiu-bong to e-sai u tongchok. Mkoh, ti Tai-gi su-jip e boo-sek chi-ha, keyboard pian chhiunn e-bin anne bo hau7. Na ti Tiong-bun iah si Jitbun e boo-sek, long chengsiong e-sai phah-ji. Che m-chai si siann bunte?
--UB
2013/8/6 Lim Chun-iok
為文教授, 平安
He是Gmail無100%支援Unicode ê問題，
請你使用 Firefox to̍h無問題。
請問你chit-má人tī tó位？
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:54 AM, uibun wrote:
Chuniok t.l. kap takke ho,
Chhengkau kok-ui, goa choe-kin sin be2 Win8 e notebook, ti Word 2013 lai-te ok, m-koh ti Gmail lai-te beh phaj email e-si soah bo-hoat-too chengsiong su-iong. Kam su-iau tiau-heng siann? Iah-si bokchian e su-jip-hoat pan-pun bo chi-chhi? Loo-lat!
-- Uibun
Taiffalo's Study of Eco-linguistics of Society
Tai-gi / Oat-lam Gian-kiu-sek &
Center for Taiwanese Languages Testing &
Center for Vietnamese Studies &
Department of Taiwanese Literature
National Cheng Kung University, TAIWAN
E-mail: (private)
E-mail: (office)
Tel: +886-6-2757575 ext 52627 (O)
Fax: +886-6-2755190
--
基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！
Lim Chun-iok
http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字)
--
Taiffalo's Study of Eco-linguistics of Society
Tai-gi / Oat-lam Gian-kiu-sek &
Center for Taiwanese Languages Testing &
Center for Vietnamese Studies &
Department of Taiwanese Literature
National Cheng Kung University, TAIWAN
E-mail: (private)
E-mail: (office)
Tel: +886-6-2757575 ext 52627 (O)
Fax: +886-6-2755190
--
基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！
Lim Chun-iok
http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字)
-- 基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！ Lim Chun-iok http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字) http://hakka.fhl.net
--
Taiffalo's Study of Eco-linguistics of Society Tai-gi / Oat-lam Gian-kiu-sek & Center for Taiwanese Languages Testing & Center for Vietnamese Studies & Department of Taiwanese Literature National Cheng Kung University, TAIWAN http://uibun.twl.ncku.edu.tw http://ctlt.twl.ncku.edu.tw
http://cvs.twl.ncku.edu.tw E-mail: (private) E-mail: (office)
Tel: +886-6-2757575 ext 52627 (O) Fax: +886-6-2755190 *******************
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tai-gi Sin-bong-ai ti Win8 lai-te e gmail bo-hoat-too phahji??
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----- Original Message -----
From: uibun
To: Lim Chun-iok
Cc: Bang Taigu
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:25 PM
Subject: [tgb] Re: Tai-gi Sin-bong-ai ti Win8 lai-te e gmail bo-hoat-too phahji??
Chùn-io̍k t.l. kap ta-ke hó,
Góa kok chhì tiâu-chéng tiān-náu liáu, chit-má TG su-ji̍p-hoat ē-sái tī Win8 ē-bīn ê gmail lāi-té iōng thoân-thóng keyboard phah PE̍H-ŌE-JĪ. M-koh, bo-hooat-tō͘ iōng gîn-bō͘ ê keyboard su-ji̍p.
Í-siōng pò-kò.
--Ûi-bûn
2013/8/15 Lim Chun-iok
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: **Lukhnos Liu** Date: Wed, Aug 14, 2013
at 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Tai-gi Sin-bong-ai ti Win8 lai-te e gmail
bo-hoat-too phahji?? To: Lim Chun-iok Cc: Pektiong Tan
Lîm-san,
歹勢最近實在真無閒。我 ê 了解 sī FHL 應該會當 tī Windows 8 ê "傳統模式" 使用，若是 ū "虛擬鍵盤" (virtual keyboard / soft keyboard) iā-sī 觸碰螢幕模式 ("Metro mode") tio̍h buē-sái. 蔣教授 ê screenshot 應該 sī 其中一種情形。
d.
On Aug 6, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Lim Chun-iok wrote:
劉燈, 柏中, 平安
最近好無？
請看下面是蔣為文教授tī Win8 tú-tio̍h ê問題。
請問咱信望愛台語客語輸入法kám有適用Win8？
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: uibun Date: Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Tai-gi Sin-bong-ai ti Win8 lai-te e gmail bo-hoat-too phahji?? To: Lim Chun-iok
Chuniok t.l.Goa chit-ma lang ti Jit-pun! Goa kai lai Tang-kiann Goa-kok-gi Tai-hak kheh-cho 1 tang. Goa chit-ma ti Gmail tu-tioh e bun-te m-si tan-sun kan-tann poo-hun e tiau-hu chau-cheng--khi, si Tai-gi su-jip-hoat long kio be chhut-lai. Goa chit tai tian-nau si iong chhiu-bong to e-sai u tongchok. Mkoh, ti Tai-gi su-jip e boo-sek chi-ha, keyboard pian chhiunn e-bin anne bo hau7. Na ti Tiong-bun iah si Jitbun e boo-sek, long chengsiong e-sai phah-ji. Che m-chai si siann bunte?
--UB
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> > > > > > > 2013/8/6 Lim
Chun-iok > 為文教授, 平安 > >
He是Gmail無100%支援Unicode ê問題， > 請你使用 Firefox to̍h無問題。 > >
請問你chit-má人tī tó位？ > > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:54 AM,
uibun wrote: > Chuniok t.l. kap
takke ho, > > Chhengkau kok-ui, goa choe-kin sin be2 Win8 e
notebook, ti Word 2013 lai-te ok, m-koh ti Gmail lai-te beh phaj email e-si
soah bo-hoat-too chengsiong su-iong. Kam su-iau tiau-heng siann? Iah-si
bokchian e su-jip-hoat pan-pun bo chi-chhi? Loo-lat! > > --
Uibun > >
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(private) > E-mail: (office) > Tel: [+886-6-2757575 ext 52627](tel:%2B886-6-2757575%20ext%2052627) (O) > Fax: [+886-6-2755190](tel:%2B886-6-2755190) >
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-- > 基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！ > Lim Chun-iok > [http://sloan.fhl.net](http://sloan.fhl.net)(台語點字) > [http://hakka.fhl.net](http://hakka.fhl.net) >
[http://taigi.fhl.net](http://taigi.fhl.net) > > > >
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Taiffalo's Study of Eco-linguistics of Society > Tai-gi / Oat-lam
Gian-kiu-sek & > Center for Taiwanese Languages Testing
& > Center for Vietnamese Studies & > Department of
Taiwanese Literature > National Cheng Kung University, TAIWAN >
[http://uibun.twl.ncku.edu.tw](http://uibun.twl.ncku.edu.tw) > [http://ctlt.twl.ncku.edu.tw](http://ctlt.twl.ncku.edu.tw) > [http://cvs.twl.ncku.edu.tw](http://cvs.twl.ncku.edu.tw) > E-mail:
(private) > E-mail: (office) > Tel: [+886-6-2757575 ext 52627](tel:%2B886-6-2757575%20ext%2052627) (O) > Fax: [+886-6-2755190](tel:%2B886-6-2755190) >
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-- > 基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！ > Lim Chun-iok > [http://sloan.fhl.net](http://sloan.fhl.net)(台語點字) > [http://hakka.fhl.net](http://hakka.fhl.net) >
[http://taigi.fhl.net](http://taigi.fhl.net)
-- 基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！ Lim Chun-iok http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字) http://hakka.fhl.net http://taigi.fhl.net
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Taiffalo's Study of Eco-linguistics of Society Tai-gi / Oat-lam Gian-kiu-sek & Center for Taiwanese Languages Testing & Center for Vietnamese Studies & Department of Taiwanese Literature National Cheng Kung University, TAIWAN http://uibun.twl.ncku.edu.tw http://ctlt.twl.ncku.edu.tw
http://cvs.twl.ncku.edu.tw
E-mail:
(private)
E-mail: (office)
Tel: +886-6-2757575 ext
52627 (O)
Fax:
+886-6-2755190
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