Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: Iunn Un-gian
Date: 2008-02-12 21:57:34
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I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
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IuN Un-gian 楊允言
Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授
Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人
Re: RE: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: Julia Chang
Date: 2008-02-12 23:01:58
Tak-e ho,
Goa bat thak koe i e chheh "chhan-hng chi chhiu", sia liau chin ho.
Siu-boan Toronto
From: To: Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:57:34 +0000
http://www.taigu.org/index.htm
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
--
IuN Un-gian 楊允言
Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授
Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人
Re: Re: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: 鄭兒玉牧師
Date: 2008-02-13 05:20:53
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail.
Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much limited, chhin-chhiu*nn *Chinese conventional culture an-ni.
Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan oe-tit-thang eng e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki:
"taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other idea
I-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn,
TJg
**
Tann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message -----
From: Iunn Un-gian
To: Tai-gu-bang
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM
Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
http://www.taigu.org/index.htm
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
-- IuN Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: Phokgoân
Date: 2008-02-13 10:28:32
Kokūi chiânpoē ta̍kke hó, M̄chaiiáⁿ chitmá beh sinchhéng ê bānglō͘ tēmiâ sī beh kiànli̍p siáⁿmi̍h khoán ê bāngchām leh? Goá hoathiān "www.taibun.com.tw" iáu bôlâng chiàm. M̄koh "www.taibun.tw" íkeng hō͘ Kokka Tâioân Bûnha̍k Koán theh lâi khǹg Tâibûn Rômájī chuliāu ah (Úngiân lāusu kám chaiiáⁿ? M̄koh goá siūⁿbeh mn̄g, chitê chām kám khaisí ūnchok ah? Goá se̍h lâi se̍h khì kantāⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h chi̍ttui "testing") Ēkha sī chi̍tkoá kap téngbīn gītê khah bô siongkoan ê. Chóng kóng khílâi sī goá chin ài "Tâibûn" chitê sû. Lán ētàng hoathiān, liûhêng ê sû sī "中文", "台語", "客語". Nātùi kîthaⁿ gíbûn to̍hsī 2 chióng miâ lóng ū (英文, 英語). Só͘í ahpà ê Mandarin súiōng chiá tiāⁿ kiò lâng "說中文", náchhiūⁿ in kóng chhutchhùi ê lóng sī bûnchiuⁿ; iōng Tâigíbûn ánchoáⁿ siá lóng m̄chiâⁿ bûn. Só͘í goá chichhî "Tâibûn", "Hakvùn" ê miâ. M̄koh, goá bô chichhî "中語" ê miâ (goá tī Tâi-Lô Hoē 2, 3 tang chêng chhutpán lâi thuikóng ê Tâioân Bógú Chhiúchheh khoàⁿtio̍h chitê sû). Sī ánchoáⁿ ùi chi̍t khaisí to̍h bô lâng iōng chitê sû? Inūi hiaê Chinàlâng kiànkok ê sî hoatbêng "中文" chitê sû, in to̍h siattēng chitê sû sī kó͘tián Hànbûn. Gígiân lóng sī "tēhng gígiân", só͘í bô kiòchò 中語. Itti̍t kàu taⁿ, chitê khò kokka chugoân chiâⁿchò koaⁿhong gíbûn ê Mandarin, chèngsek ê miâ lóngsī "國語", "普通話" chitchióng m̄chiâⁿ miâ ê chhengho͘. Che sī in éngoán ê KHOAT-HĀM; chóng ū chi̍t kang, in ē hoathiān -- in teh kóng ê gígiân, sī BÔ MIÂ ê. Tongjiân nā beh chhengho͘ chitchióng gíbûn, goáê kiàngī sī 北京語/文/方言, a̍hsī goá katī chitmá siá bûnchiuⁿ lóng súiōng ê "滿漢語/文/方言" (Mandarin, nā kóng 滿文, to̍h m̄tio̍h; èngkai ētàng kóng 滿式漢語, kuikhì kiò 滿漢語, che sī goá ê siūⁿhoat. Chóngsī Chinàlâng khoàⁿtio̍h "滿漢" to̍h kámkak chin "sóng" èngkai bô siáⁿmi̍h thanghó hoántùi. Lēnggoā nāchún in chhengho͘ lán "閩南方言", ánne in to̍hsī 滿漢方言, 北京方言. Khoàⁿ chênghêng súiōng, chin hongpiān.) Kóng kah m̄chai tùi to'ī khì, chin pháiⁿsè. Bóng chhamkhó.Phokgoân, Jīgoe̍h 13, 20082008/2/13 鄭兒玉牧師 :
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail. Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni. Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan oe-tit-thang eng e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki: "taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other ideaI-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn, TJgTann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message ----- From: Iunn Un-gian To: Tai-gu-bang Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
http://www.taigu.org/index.htm
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
-- IuN Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: Phokgoân
Date: 2008-02-13 16:37:29
Kokui chianpoe takke ho, Chin chhubi, kina echai chiah tua teh kong nia, tann masiong ampo toh iong 頭版 kap 三版 e toa panbin lai chha chite bunte. Goa ka bunchiunn liankiat khng ti ekha, hou takke chhio chit-e.頭版 http://udn.com/NEWS/NATIONAL/NATS4/4216097.shtml 三版頭 http://udn.com/NEWS/NATIONAL/NATS4/4216096.shtml 三版二 http://udn.com/NEWS/NATIONAL/NATS4/4216098.shtml 三版評論 (冷眼集) http://udn.com/NEWS/NATIONAL/NATS4/4216099.shtml Bong chhamkho.Phokgoan, Jigoeh 13, 2008
On Feb 13, 2008 10:28 AM, Phokgoân wrote:
Kokūi chiânpoē ta̍kke hó,
M̄chaiiáⁿ chitmá beh sinchhéng ê bānglō͘ tēmiâ sī beh kiànli̍p siáⁿmi̍h khoán ê bāngchām leh?
Goá hoathiān "www.taibun.com.tw" iáu bôlâng chiàm. M̄koh "www.taibun.tw" íkeng hō͘ Kokka Tâioân Bûnha̍k Koán theh lâi khǹg Tâibûn Rômájī chuliāu ah (Úngiân lāusu kám chaiiáⁿ? M̄koh goá siūⁿbeh mn̄g, chitê chām kám khaisí ūnchok ah? Goá se̍h lâi se̍h khì kantāⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h chi̍ttui "testing")
Ēkha sī chi̍tkoá kap téngbīn gītê khah bô siongkoan ê.
Chóng kóng khílâi sī goá chin ài "Tâibûn" chitê sû. Lán ētàng hoathiān, liûhêng ê sû sī "中文", "台語", "客語". Nātùi kîthaⁿ gíbûn to̍hsī 2 chióng miâ lóng ū (英文, 英語). Só͘í ahpà ê Mandarin súiōng chiá tiāⁿ kiò lâng "說中文", náchhiūⁿ in kóng chhutchhùi ê lóng sī bûnchiuⁿ; iōng Tâigíbûn ánchoáⁿ siá lóng m̄chiâⁿ bûn. Só͘í goá chichhî "Tâibûn", "Hakvùn" ê miâ.
M̄koh, goá bô chichhî "中語" ê miâ (goá tī Tâi-Lô Hoē 2, 3 tang chêng chhutpán lâi thuikóng ê Tâioân Bógú Chhiúchheh khoàⁿtio̍h chitê sû). Sī ánchoáⁿ ùi chi̍t khaisí to̍h bô lâng iōng chitê sû? Inūi hiaê Chinàlâng kiànkok ê sî hoatbêng "中文" chitê sû, in to̍h siattēng chitê sû sī kó͘tián Hànbûn. Gígiân lóng sī "tēhng gígiân", só͘í bô kiòchò 中語. Itti̍t kàu taⁿ, chitê khò kokka chugoân chiâⁿchò koaⁿhong gíbûn ê Mandarin, chèngsek ê miâ lóngsī "國語", "普通話" chitchióng m̄chiâⁿ miâ ê chhengho͘. Che sī in éngoán ê KHOAT-HĀM; chóng ū chi̍t kang, in ē hoathiān -- in teh kóng ê gígiân, sī BÔ MIÂ ê. Tongjiân nā beh chhengho͘ chitchióng gíbûn, goáê kiàngī sī 北京語/文/方言, a̍hsī goá katī chitmá siá bûnchiuⁿ lóng súiōng ê "滿漢語/文/方言" (Mandarin, nā kóng 滿文, to̍h m̄tio̍h; èngkai ētàng kóng 滿式漢語, kuikhì kiò 滿漢語, che sī goá ê siūⁿhoat. Chóngsī Chinàlâng khoàⁿtio̍h "滿漢" to̍h kámkak chin "sóng" èngkai bô siáⁿmi̍h thanghó hoántùi. Lēnggoā nāchún in chhengho͘ lán "閩南方言", ánne in to̍hsī 滿漢方言, 北京方言. Khoàⁿ chênghêng súiōng, chin hongpiān.)
Kóng kah m̄chai tùi to'ī khì, chin pháiⁿsè. Bóng chhamkhó.Phokgoân, Jīgoe̍h 13, 2008
2008/2/13 鄭兒玉牧師 :
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail. Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni. Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan oe-tit-thang eng e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki: "taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other ideaI-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn, TJgTann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message ----- From: Iunn Un-gian To: Tai-gu-bang Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
http://www.taigu.org/index.htm
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
-- IuN Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: Babuza
Date: 2008-02-13 19:01:41
"中語"si goan Kohiong lang e siunnhoat natiann. 英語-英文; 法語-法文; 德語-德文; 日語-日文….. --->中語-中文/華語-華文, anne engkai pi chitma e 中文-華語 khah hah 'logic'. Goan ma liaukai chinche lang tui chitkhoan e sukho u bokang e ikian. Babuza ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoân" To: "TGB(G)" Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Kokūi chiânpoē ta̍kke hó,
M̄chaiiáⁿ chitmá beh sinchhéng ê bānglō͘ tēmiâ sī beh kiànli̍p siáⁿmi̍h khoán ê bāngchām leh?
Goá hoathiān "www.taibun.com.tw" iáu bôlâng chiàm. M̄koh "www.taibun.tw" íkeng hō͘ Kokka Tâioân Bûnha̍k Koán theh lâi khǹg Tâibûn Rômájī chuliāu ah (Úngiân lāusu kám chaiiáⁿ? M̄koh goá siūⁿbeh mn̄g, chitê chām kám khaisí ūnchok ah? Goá se̍h lâi se̍h khì kantāⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h chi̍ttui "testing")
Ēkha sī chi̍tkoá kap téngbīn gītê khah bô siongkoan ê.
Chóng kóng khílâi sī goá chin ài "Tâibûn" chitê sû. Lán ētàng hoathiān, liûhêng ê sû sī "中文", "台語", "客語". Nātùi kîthaⁿ gíbûn to̍hsī 2 chióng miâ lóng ū (英文, 英語). Só͘í ahpà ê Mandarin súiōng chiá tiāⁿ kiò lâng "說中文", náchhiūⁿ in kóng chhutchhùi ê lóng sī bûnchiuⁿ; iōng Tâigíbûn ánchoáⁿ siá lóng m̄chiâⁿ bûn. Só͘í goá chichhî "Tâibûn", "Hakvùn" ê miâ.
M̄koh, goá bô chichhî "中語" ê miâ (goá tī Tâi-Lô Hoē 2, 3 tang chêng chhutpán lâi thuikóng ê Tâioân Bógú Chhiúchheh khoàⁿtio̍h chitê sû). Sī ánchoáⁿ ùi chi̍t khaisí to̍h bô lâng iōng chitê sû? Inūi hiaê Chinàlâng kiànkok ê sî hoatbêng "中文" chitê sû, in to̍h siattēng chitê sû sī kó͘tián Hànbûn. Gígiân lóng sī "tēhng gígiân", só͘í bô kiòchò 中語. Itti̍t kàu taⁿ, chitê khò kokka chugoân chiâⁿchò koaⁿhong gíbûn ê Mandarin, chèngsek ê miâ lóngsī "國語", "普通話" chitchióng m̄chiâⁿ miâ ê chhengho͘. Che sī in éngoán ê KHOAT-HĀM; chóng ū chi̍t kang, in ē hoathiān -- in teh kóng ê gígiân, sī BÔ MIÂ ê. Tongjiân nā beh chhengho͘ chitchióng gíbûn, goáê kiàngī sī 北京語/文/方言, a̍hsī goá katī chitmá siá bûnchiuⁿ lóng súiōng ê "滿漢語/文/方言" (Mandarin, nā kóng 滿文, to̍h m̄tio̍h; èngkai ētàng kóng 滿式漢語, kuikhì kiò 滿漢語, che sī goá ê siūⁿhoat. Chóngsī Chinàlâng khoàⁿtio̍h "滿漢" to̍h kámkak chin "sóng" èngkai bô siáⁿmi̍h thanghó hoántùi. Lēnggoā nāchún in chhengho͘ lán "閩南方言", ánne in to̍hsī 滿漢方言, 北京方言. Khoàⁿ chênghêng súiōng, chin hongpiān.)
Kóng kah m̄chai tùi to'ī khì, chin pháiⁿsè. Bóng chhamkhó.
Phokgoân, Jīgoe̍h 13, 2008
2008/2/13 鄭兒玉牧師 :
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail. Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni. Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan oe-tit-thang eng e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki: "taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other ideaI-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn, TJgTann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message ----- From: Iunn Un-gian To: Tai-gu-bang Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
http://www.taigu.org/index.htm
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
-- IuN Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: Lau Seng-hian
Date: 2008-02-13 22:10:34
To-siā Phokgoân the̍h-kiong pò-tsuá ê siau-sit.
M̄-koh guá tsin giâu-gî "Huâ-gí" kap "Hàn-jī" tsit 2 ê sû kám tsin-tsiàⁿ ū khó-lîng tī 9 nî it-kuàn khò-tîng kong-iàu thong-kuè.
Guá ū thiaⁿ Lí Khîn-huāⁿ kàu-siū kòng--kuè, tsìn-tsîng tō í-king ū beh kái--a, m̄-koh khì kah tíng-kuân ê sím-tsa huē-gī ê sî, tō sûi hōo pó-siú-phài tòng--lo̍h-lâi, bô-huat-tōo, to gia̍h-tshiú gia̍h su--lâng, aih Orz
2008/2/13, Phokgoân :
Kokui chianpoe takke ho,
Chin chhubi, kina echai chiah tua teh kong nia, tann masiong ampo toh iong 頭版 kap 三版 e toa panbin lai chha chite bunte. Goa ka bunchiunn liankiat khng ti ekha, hou takke chhio chit-e.
頭版 http://udn.com/NEWS/NATIONAL/NATS4/4216097.shtml 三版頭 http://udn.com/NEWS/NATIONAL/NATS4/4216096.shtml
三版二 http://udn.com/NEWS/NATIONAL/NATS4/4216098.shtml 三版評論 (冷眼集) http://udn.com/NEWS/NATIONAL/NATS4/4216099.shtml
Bong chhamkho.
Phokgoan, Jigoeh 13, 2008
On Feb 13, 2008 10:28 AM, Phokgoân wrote:
Kokūi chiânpoē ta̍kke hó,
M̄chaiiáⁿ chitmá beh sinchhéng ê bānglō͘ tēmiâ sī beh kiànli̍p siáⁿmi̍h khoán ê bāngchām leh?
Goá hoathiān "www.taibun.com.tw" iáu bôlâng chiàm. M̄koh
"www.taibun.tw" íkeng hō͘ Kokka Tâioân Bûnha̍k Koán theh lâi khǹg Tâibûn Rômájī chuliāu ah (Úngiân lāusu kám chaiiáⁿ? M̄koh goá siūⁿbeh mn̄g, chitê chām kám khaisí ūnchok ah? Goá se̍h lâi se̍h khì kantāⁿ
khoàⁿtio̍h chi̍ttui "testing")
Ēkha sī chi̍tkoá kap téngbīn gītê khah bô siongkoan ê.
Chóng kóng khílâi sī goá chin ài "Tâibûn" chitê sû. Lán ētàng hoathiān, liûhêng ê sû sī "中文", "台語", "客語". Nātùi kîthaⁿ gíbûn to̍hsī
2 chióng miâ lóng ū (英文, 英語). Só͘í ahpà ê Mandarin súiōng chiá tiāⁿ kiò lâng "說中文", náchhiūⁿ in kóng chhutchhùi ê lóng sī bûnchiuⁿ; iōng Tâigíbûn ánchoáⁿ siá lóng m̄chiâⁿ bûn. Só͘í goá chichhî "Tâibûn",
"Hakvùn" ê miâ.
M̄koh, goá bô chichhî "中語" ê miâ (goá tī Tâi-Lô Hoē 2, 3 tang chêng chhutpán lâi thuikóng ê Tâioân Bógú Chhiúchheh khoàⁿtio̍h chitê sû). Sī ánchoáⁿ ùi chi̍t khaisí to̍h bô lâng iōng chitê sû? Inūi hiaê
Chinàlâng kiànkok ê sî hoatbêng "中文" chitê sû, in to̍h siattēng chitê sû sī kó͘tián Hànbûn. Gígiân lóng sī "tēhng gígiân", só͘í bô kiòchò 中語. Itti̍t kàu taⁿ, chitê khò kokka chugoân chiâⁿchò koaⁿhong gíbûn ê
Mandarin, chèngsek ê miâ lóngsī "國語", "普通話" chitchióng m̄chiâⁿ miâ ê chhengho͘. Che sī in éngoán ê KHOAT-HĀM; chóng ū chi̍t kang, in ē hoathiān -- in teh kóng ê gígiân, sī BÔ MIÂ ê. Tongjiân nā beh
chhengho͘ chitchióng gíbûn, goáê kiàngī sī 北京語/文/方言, a̍hsī goá katī chitmá siá bûnchiuⁿ lóng súiōng ê "滿漢語/文/方言" (Mandarin, nā kóng 滿文, to̍h m̄tio̍h; èngkai ētàng kóng 滿式漢語, kuikhì kiò 滿漢語, che sī goá ê
siūⁿhoat. Chóngsī Chinàlâng khoàⁿtio̍h "滿漢" to̍h kámkak chin "sóng" èngkai bô siáⁿmi̍h thanghó hoántùi. Lēnggoā nāchún in chhengho͘ lán "閩南方言", ánne in to̍hsī 滿漢方言, 北京方言. Khoàⁿ chênghêng súiōng, chin
hongpiān.)
Kóng kah m̄chai tùi to'ī khì, chin pháiⁿsè. Bóng chhamkhó.
Phokgoân, Jīgoe̍h 13, 2008
2008/2/13 鄭兒玉牧師 :
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail.
Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji
Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni.
Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan oe-tit-thang eng e-bin
e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki:
"taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other idea
I-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn,
TJg
Tann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message ----- From: Iunn Un-gian To: Tai-gu-bang
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
-- IuN Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: Phokgoan Chioh
Date: 2008-02-13 22:46:15
Babuza isu li ho, Goa e siunnhoat ma siosiang, 中文-華語 bo hah lichek (理則). Mkoh, goae siunnhoat si, "中文" e mia kinpun toh engkai hui tiau. Si inui ikeng choseng kokche, punte binchiong, simchi haksut siong e gouhoe. Anchoann kong leh? Chhiann khoann Kokche Gibunhak Hoe e gibun hunlui. http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=zho Che si 中文. Khi hou lang ho choe "Macrolanguage". Iah chiusi, ekha pauham chinchoe "方言". Soui kithann siannmih Khehgi, Taigi, Kngtanggi, simchi Mandarin long si i e 1 pouhun. http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=cmn Mkoh susit siong, Mandarin engkai si chite taiho. http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=nan Che si Taigi bokcheng e taiho. Kiatko chit 2 chiong long si 中文 e 1 pouhun. Soui goa jinui, nachun kichai in ka hitchiong gibun ho cho "中文", simchi koh ka in chhongcho "中語" chitchiong miasu, un si2 e. Che masi 1 chiong 位階 e 戰爭. Hapcheng koh hapli. Mandarin beh kio siannmih mia, goante si bo goae taichi. Mkoh chitma ikeng hou chinchoe lang gouhoe jinui -- Mandarin si "語言", Taigibun si "方言", soui "方言" tohsi boetang sia lohlai e, jichhiann nachun beh sia ma toh ai iong Hanji… … … Takke u hoathian bo? Chiae ue bo-e, lan long chaiiann si mtioh. Mkoh chittui "Chhogou E Likai", kap kap chohoe, toh piancho chin phainn kaisoe. Soui lan itteng ai kiongtiau -- Mandarin msi 中文. Mandarin 並無包含著台文. Mandarin kap Taibun si ti KANG CHITE TENG2-HO7! Taibun kap kithann gibun chhinchhiunn Engbun, Jitbun, longsi GIGIAN, msi HNGGIAN. Soui, nasi u lang kong goae gigian si 閩南方言, chin phainnse, goa e kong ie gigian masi 北京方言. 無 "中語" e 稱號, hou 人有反思 e 機會 -- "是 anchoann m 叫做中語? 因為中文無語言, 我所講e 語言原來 msi 中文!" Ma hou in kesiok sipkoan "國語" bo iaukin. U chitkang, "國語" e miaho bo ah, chongsi e hoathian -- 原來我講 e 語言竟然無 1e 好聽 e 名! He tohsi PIAI. Choeau beh kaisoe goa anne kong peng MSI inui goa chiapsiu "一個漢語, 許多方言" 論. Susit siong goa chin siunnbeh phah phoa chite theche. Toh chhinchhiunn 越南語 chincheng ma khi hou lang hun cho "漢語系". Chitma ikeng hun choe 南島語, long si inui 脫漢成功, kionghi! Chisi lan chin kutng lai long khi ho'ng phah cho 方言. Lan ma ai i chin u lichek e chohoat, ka Mandarin phah cho 方言. Che itchhe long u kinku. Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese.
- Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言, inui in 2e kang kipsou3. Che itchhe longsi Kokche Gibunhak Hoe ka lan kong e. Bong chhamkho.Phokgoan, Jigoeh 13, 2008
On Feb 13, 2008 7:01 PM, Babuza wrote:
"中語"si goan Kohiong lang e siunnhoat natiann. 英語-英文; 法語-法文; 德語-德文; 日語-日文….. --->中語-中文/華語-華文, anne engkai pi chitma e 中文-華語 khah hah 'logic'. Goan ma liaukai chinche lang tui chitkhoan e sukho u bokang e ikian. Babuza
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoân" To: "TGB(G)" Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Kokūi chiânpoē ta̍kke hó,
M̄chaiiáⁿ chitmá beh sinchhéng ê bānglō͘ tēmiâ sī beh kiànli̍p siáⁿmi̍h khoán ê bāngchām leh?
Goá hoathiān "www.taibun.com.tw" iáu bôlâng chiàm. M̄koh "www.taibun.tw" íkeng hō͘ Kokka Tâioân Bûnha̍k Koán theh lâi khǹg Tâibûn Rômájī chuliāu ah (Úngiân lāusu kám chaiiáⁿ? M̄koh goá siūⁿbeh mn̄g, chitê chām kám khaisí ūnchok ah? Goá se̍h lâi se̍h khì kantāⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h chi̍ttui "testing")
Ēkha sī chi̍tkoá kap téngbīn gītê khah bô siongkoan ê.
Chóng kóng khílâi sī goá chin ài "Tâibûn" chitê sû. Lán ētàng hoathiān, liûhêng ê sû sī "中文", "台語", "客語". Nātùi kîthaⁿ gíbûn to̍hsī 2 chióng miâ lóng ū (英文, 英語). Só͘í ahpà ê Mandarin súiōng chiá tiāⁿ kiò lâng "說中文", náchhiūⁿ in kóng chhutchhùi ê lóng sī bûnchiuⁿ; iōng Tâigíbûn ánchoáⁿ siá lóng m̄chiâⁿ bûn. Só͘í goá chichhî "Tâibûn", "Hakvùn" ê miâ.
M̄koh, goá bô chichhî "中語" ê miâ (goá tī Tâi-Lô Hoē 2, 3 tang chêng chhutpán lâi thuikóng ê Tâioân Bógú Chhiúchheh khoàⁿtio̍h chitê sû). Sī ánchoáⁿ ùi chi̍t khaisí to̍h bô lâng iōng chitê sû? Inūi hiaê Chinàlâng kiànkok ê sî hoatbêng "中文" chitê sû, in to̍h siattēng chitê sû sī kó͘tián Hànbûn. Gígiân lóng sī "tēhng gígiân", só͘í bô kiòchò 中語. Itti̍t kàu taⁿ, chitê khò kokka chugoân chiâⁿchò koaⁿhong gíbûn ê Mandarin, chèngsek ê miâ lóngsī "國語", "普通話" chitchióng m̄chiâⁿ miâ ê chhengho͘. Che sī in éngoán ê KHOAT-HĀM; chóng ū chi̍t kang, in ē hoathiān -- in teh kóng ê gígiân, sī BÔ MIÂ ê. Tongjiân nā beh chhengho͘ chitchióng gíbûn, goáê kiàngī sī 北京語/文/方言, a̍hsī goá katī chitmá siá bûnchiuⁿ lóng súiōng ê "滿漢語/文/方言" (Mandarin, nā kóng 滿文, to̍h m̄tio̍h; èngkai ētàng kóng 滿式漢語, kuikhì kiò 滿漢語, che sī goá ê siūⁿhoat. Chóngsī Chinàlâng khoàⁿtio̍h "滿漢" to̍h kámkak chin "sóng" èngkai bô siáⁿmi̍h thanghó hoántùi. Lēnggoā nāchún in chhengho͘ lán "閩南方言", ánne in to̍hsī 滿漢方言, 北京方言. Khoàⁿ chênghêng súiōng, chin hongpiān.)
Kóng kah m̄chai tùi to'ī khì, chin pháiⁿsè. Bóng chhamkhó.
Phokgoân, Jīgoe̍h 13, 2008
2008/2/13 鄭兒玉牧師 :
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail. Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni. Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan oe-tit-thang eng e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki: "taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other ideaI-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn, TJgTann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message ----- From: Iunn Un-gian To: Tai-gu-bang Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
http://www.taigu.org/index.htm
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
-- IuN Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: Tiunn Hok Chu
Date: 2008-02-14 21:06:41
Phpokgoan, Kionghi! Li chite SLL(siaulianlang) u chiahnih chiuchi e sukho kap chengchhai e lunsut. Goa chiok phoehok! …Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese.
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese.
- Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin
masi 北京方言.
Babuza
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phokgoan Chioh"
To: "TGB(G)" ;
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:46 PM
Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Babuza isu li ho,
Goa e siunnhoat ma siosiang, 中文-華語 bo hah lichek (理則). Mkoh, goae siunnhoat si, "中文" e mia kinpun toh engkai hui tiau. Si inui ikeng choseng kokche, punte binchiong, simchi haksut siong e gouhoe. Anchoann kong leh? Chhiann khoann Kokche Gibunhak Hoe e gibun hunlui.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=zho Che si 中文. Khi hou lang ho choe "Macrolanguage". Iah chiusi, ekha pauham chinchoe "方言". Soui kithann siannmih Khehgi, Taigi, Kngtanggi, simchi Mandarin long si i e 1 pouhun.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=cmn Mkoh susit siong, Mandarin engkai si chite taiho.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=nan Che si Taigi bokcheng e taiho. Kiatko chit 2 chiong long si 中文 e 1 pouhun.
Soui goa jinui, nachun kichai in ka hitchiong gibun ho cho "中文", simchi koh ka in chhongcho "中語" chitchiong miasu, un si2 e.
Che masi 1 chiong 位階 e 戰爭. Hapcheng koh hapli. Mandarin beh kio siannmih mia, goante si bo goae taichi. Mkoh chitma ikeng hou chinchoe lang gouhoe jinui -- Mandarin si "語言", Taigibun si "方言", soui "方言" tohsi boetang sia lohlai e, jichhiann nachun beh sia ma toh ai iong Hanji… … …
Takke u hoathian bo? Chiae ue bo-e, lan long chaiiann si mtioh. Mkoh chittui "Chhogou E Likai", kap kap chohoe, toh piancho chin phainn kaisoe.
Soui lan itteng ai kiongtiau -- Mandarin msi 中文. Mandarin 並無包含著台文. Mandarin kap Taibun si ti KANG CHITE TENG2-HO7! Taibun kap kithann gibun chhinchhiunn Engbun, Jitbun, longsi GIGIAN, msi HNGGIAN.
Soui, nasi u lang kong goae gigian si 閩南方言, chin phainnse, goa e kong ie gigian masi 北京方言. 無 "中語" e 稱號, hou 人有反思 e 機會 -- "是 anchoann m 叫做中語? 因為中文無語言, 我所講e 語言原來 msi 中文!" Ma hou in kesiok sipkoan "國語" bo iaukin. U chitkang, "國語" e miaho bo ah, chongsi e hoathian -- 原來我講 e 語言竟然無 1e 好聽 e 名! He tohsi PIAI.
Choeau beh kaisoe goa anne kong peng MSI inui goa chiapsiu "一個漢語, 許多方言" 論. Susit siong goa chin siunnbeh phah phoa chite theche. Toh chhinchhiunn 越南語 chincheng ma khi hou lang hun cho "漢語系". Chitma ikeng hun choe 南島語, long si inui 脫漢成功, kionghi!
Chisi lan chin kutng lai long khi ho'ng phah cho 方言. Lan ma ai i chin u lichek e chohoat, ka Mandarin phah cho 方言. Che itchhe long u kinku.
Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese.
- Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言, inui in 2e kang kipsou3.
Che itchhe longsi Kokche Gibunhak Hoe ka lan kong e.
Bong chhamkho.
Phokgoan, Jigoeh 13, 2008
On Feb 13, 2008 7:01 PM, Babuza wrote:
"中語"si goan Kohiong lang e siunnhoat natiann. 英語-英文; 法語-法文; 德語-德文; 日語-日文….. --->中語-中文/華語-華文, anne engkai pi chitma e 中文-華語 khah hah 'logic'. Goan ma liaukai chinche lang tui chitkhoan e sukho u bokang e ikian. Babuza
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoân" To: "TGB(G)" Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Kokūi chiânpoē ta̍kke hó,
M̄chaiiáⁿ chitmá beh sinchhéng ê bānglō͘ tēmiâ sī beh kiànli̍p siáⁿmi̍h khoán ê bāngchām leh?
Goá hoathiān "www.taibun.com.tw" iáu bôlâng chiàm. M̄koh "www.taibun.tw" íkeng hō͘ Kokka Tâioân Bûnha̍k Koán theh lâi khǹg Tâibûn Rômájī chuliāu ah (Úngiân lāusu kám chaiiáⁿ? M̄koh goá siūⁿbeh mn̄g, chitê chām kám khaisí ūnchok ah? Goá se̍h lâi se̍h khì kantāⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h chi̍ttui "testing")
Ēkha sī chi̍tkoá kap téngbīn gītê khah bô siongkoan ê.
Chóng kóng khílâi sī goá chin ài "Tâibûn" chitê sû. Lán ētàng hoathiān, liûhêng ê sû sī "中文", "台語", "客語". Nātùi kîthaⁿ gíbûn to̍hsī 2 chióng miâ lóng ū (英文, 英語). Só͘í ahpà ê Mandarin súiōng chiá tiāⁿ kiò lâng "說中文", náchhiūⁿ in kóng chhutchhùi ê lóng sī bûnchiuⁿ; iōng Tâigíbûn ánchoáⁿ siá lóng m̄chiâⁿ bûn. Só͘í goá chichhî "Tâibûn", "Hakvùn" ê miâ.
M̄koh, goá bô chichhî "中語" ê miâ (goá tī Tâi-Lô Hoē 2, 3 tang chêng chhutpán lâi thuikóng ê Tâioân Bógú Chhiúchheh khoàⁿtio̍h chitê sû). Sī ánchoáⁿ ùi chi̍t khaisí to̍h bô lâng iōng chitê sû? Inūi hiaê Chinàlâng kiànkok ê sî hoatbêng "中文" chitê sû, in to̍h siattēng chitê sû sī kó͘tián Hànbûn. Gígiân lóng sī "tēhng gígiân", só͘í bô kiòchò 中語. Itti̍t kàu taⁿ, chitê khò kokka chugoân chiâⁿchò koaⁿhong gíbûn ê Mandarin, chèngsek ê miâ lóngsī "國語", "普通話" chitchióng m̄chiâⁿ miâ ê chhengho͘. Che sī in éngoán ê KHOAT-HĀM; chóng ū chi̍t kang, in ē hoathiān -- in teh kóng ê gígiân, sī BÔ MIÂ ê. Tongjiân nā beh chhengho͘ chitchióng gíbûn, goáê kiàngī sī 北京語/文/方言, a̍hsī goá katī chitmá siá bûnchiuⁿ lóng súiōng ê "滿漢語/文/方言" (Mandarin, nā kóng 滿文, to̍h m̄tio̍h; èngkai ētàng kóng 滿式漢語, kuikhì kiò 滿漢語, che sī goá ê siūⁿhoat. Chóngsī Chinàlâng khoàⁿtio̍h "滿漢" to̍h kámkak chin "sóng" èngkai bô siáⁿmi̍h thanghó hoántùi. Lēnggoā nāchún in chhengho͘ lán "閩南方言", ánne in to̍hsī 滿漢方言, 北京方言. Khoàⁿ chênghêng súiōng, chin hongpiān.)
Kóng kah m̄chai tùi to'ī khì, chin pháiⁿsè. Bóng chhamkhó.
Phokgoân, Jīgoe̍h 13, 2008
2008/2/13 鄭兒玉牧師 :
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail. Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni. Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan oe-tit-thang eng e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki: "taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other ideaI-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn, TJgTann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message ----- From: Iunn Un-gian To: Tai-gu-bang Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
http://www.taigu.org/index.htm
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
-- IuN Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: 蕭平治
Date: 2008-02-14 21:14:15
Chhiann-mng: Mandarin e hoa-gi an-choann kong? Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiunn Hok Chu" To: "Phokgoan Chioh" ; "TGB(G)"
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Phpokgoan, Kionghi! Li chite SLL(siaulianlang) u chiahnih chiuchi e sukho kap chengchhai e lunsut. Goa chiok phoehok! …Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese.
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese.
- Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言. Babuza
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoan Chioh" To: "TGB(G)" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Babuza isu li ho,
Goa e siunnhoat ma siosiang, 中文-華語 bo hah lichek (理則). Mkoh, goae siunnhoat si, "中文" e mia kinpun toh engkai hui tiau. Si inui ikeng choseng kokche, punte binchiong, simchi haksut siong e gouhoe. Anchoann kong leh? Chhiann khoann Kokche Gibunhak Hoe e gibun hunlui.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=zho Che si 中文. Khi hou lang ho choe "Macrolanguage". Iah chiusi, ekha pauham chinchoe "方言". Soui kithann siannmih Khehgi, Taigi, Kngtanggi, simchi Mandarin long si i e 1 pouhun.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=cmn Mkoh susit siong, Mandarin engkai si chite taiho.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=nan Che si Taigi bokcheng e taiho. Kiatko chit 2 chiong long si 中文 e 1 pouhun.
Soui goa jinui, nachun kichai in ka hitchiong gibun ho cho "中文", simchi koh ka in chhongcho "中語" chitchiong miasu, un si2 e.
Che masi 1 chiong 位階 e 戰爭. Hapcheng koh hapli. Mandarin beh kio siannmih mia, goante si bo goae taichi. Mkoh chitma ikeng hou chinchoe lang gouhoe jinui -- Mandarin si "語言", Taigibun si "方言", soui "方言" tohsi boetang sia lohlai e, jichhiann nachun beh sia ma toh ai iong Hanji… … …
Takke u hoathian bo? Chiae ue bo-e, lan long chaiiann si mtioh. Mkoh chittui "Chhogou E Likai", kap kap chohoe, toh piancho chin phainn kaisoe.
Soui lan itteng ai kiongtiau -- Mandarin msi 中文. Mandarin 並無包含著台文. Mandarin kap Taibun si ti KANG CHITE TENG2-HO7! Taibun kap kithann gibun chhinchhiunn Engbun, Jitbun, longsi GIGIAN, msi HNGGIAN.
Soui, nasi u lang kong goae gigian si 閩南方言, chin phainnse, goa e kong ie gigian masi 北京方言. 無 "中語" e 稱號, hou 人有反思 e 機會 -- "是
anchoann m 叫做中語? 因為中文無語言, 我所講e 語言原來 msi 中文!" Ma hou in kesiok sipkoan "國語" bo iaukin. U chitkang, "國語" e miaho bo ah, chongsi e hoathian -- 原來我講 e 語言竟然無 1e 好聽 e 名! He tohsi PIAI.
Choeau beh kaisoe goa anne kong peng MSI inui goa chiapsiu "一個漢語, 許多方言" 論. Susit siong goa chin siunnbeh phah phoa chite theche. Toh chhinchhiunn 越南語 chincheng ma khi hou lang hun cho "漢語系". Chitma ikeng hun choe 南島語, long si inui 脫漢成功, kionghi!
Chisi lan chin kutng lai long khi ho'ng phah cho 方言. Lan ma ai i chin u lichek e chohoat, ka Mandarin phah cho 方言. Che itchhe long u kinku.
Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese.
- Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言, inui in 2e kang kipsou3.
Che itchhe longsi Kokche Gibunhak Hoe ka lan kong e.
Bong chhamkho.
Phokgoan, Jigoeh 13, 2008
On Feb 13, 2008 7:01 PM, Babuza wrote:
"中語"si goan Kohiong lang e siunnhoat natiann. 英語-英文; 法語-法文; 德語-德文; 日語-日文….. --->中語-中文/華語-華文, anne engkai pi chitma e 中文-華語 khah hah 'logic'. Goan ma liaukai chinche lang tui chitkhoan e sukho u bokang e ikian. Babuza
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoân" To: "TGB(G)" Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Kokūi chiânpoē ta̍kke hó,
M̄chaiiáⁿ chitmá beh sinchhéng ê bānglō͘ tēmiâ sī beh kiànli̍p siáⁿmi̍h khoán ê bāngchām leh?
Goá hoathiān "www.taibun.com.tw" iáu bôlâng chiàm. M̄koh "www.taibun.tw" íkeng hō͘ Kokka Tâioân Bûnha̍k Koán theh lâi khǹg Tâibûn Rômájī chuliāu ah (Úngiân lāusu kám chaiiáⁿ? M̄koh goá siūⁿbeh mn̄g, chitê chām kám khaisí ūnchok ah? Goá se̍h lâi se̍h khì kantāⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h chi̍ttui "testing")
Ēkha sī chi̍tkoá kap téngbīn gītê khah bô siongkoan ê.
Chóng kóng khílâi sī goá chin ài "Tâibûn" chitê sû. Lán ētàng hoathiān, liûhêng ê sû sī "中文", "台語", "客語". Nātùi kîthaⁿ gíbûn to̍hsī 2 chióng miâ lóng ū (英文, 英語). Só͘í ahpà ê Mandarin súiōng chiá tiāⁿ kiò lâng "說中文", náchhiūⁿ in kóng chhutchhùi ê lóng sī bûnchiuⁿ; iōng Tâigíbûn ánchoáⁿ siá lóng m̄chiâⁿ bûn. Só͘í goá chichhî "Tâibûn", "Hakvùn" ê miâ.
M̄koh, goá bô chichhî "中語" ê miâ (goá tī Tâi-Lô Hoē 2, 3 tang chêng chhutpán lâi thuikóng ê Tâioân Bógú Chhiúchheh khoàⁿtio̍h chitê sû). Sī ánchoáⁿ ùi chi̍t khaisí to̍h bô lâng iōng chitê sû? Inūi hiaê Chinàlâng kiànkok ê sî hoatbêng "中文" chitê sû, in to̍h siattēng chitê sû sī kó͘tián Hànbûn. Gígiân lóng sī "tēhng gígiân", só͘í bô kiòchò 中語. Itti̍t kàu taⁿ, chitê khò kokka chugoân chiâⁿchò koaⁿhong gíbûn ê Mandarin, chèngsek ê miâ lóngsī "國語", "普通話" chitchióng m̄chiâⁿ miâ ê chhengho͘. Che sī in éngoán ê KHOAT-HĀM; chóng ū chi̍t kang, in ē hoathiān -- in teh kóng ê gígiân, sī BÔ MIÂ ê. Tongjiân nā beh chhengho͘ chitchióng gíbûn, goáê kiàngī sī 北京語/文/方言, a̍hsī goá katī chitmá siá bûnchiuⁿ lóng súiōng ê "滿漢語/文/方言" (Mandarin, nā kóng 滿文, to̍h m̄tio̍h; èngkai ētàng kóng 滿式漢語, kuikhì kiò 滿漢語, che sī goá ê siūⁿhoat. Chóngsī Chinàlâng khoàⁿtio̍h "滿漢" to̍h kámkak chin "sóng" èngkai bô siáⁿmi̍h thanghó hoántùi. Lēnggoā nāchún in chhengho͘ lán "閩南方言", ánne in to̍hsī 滿漢方言, 北京方言. Khoàⁿ chênghêng súiōng, chin hongpiān.)
Kóng kah m̄chai tùi to'ī khì, chin pháiⁿsè. Bóng chhamkhó.
Phokgoân, Jīgoe̍h 13, 2008
2008/2/13 鄭兒玉牧師 :
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail. Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni. Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan oe-tit-thang eng e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki: "taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other ideaI-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn,TJg
Tann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message ----- From: Iunn Un-gian To: Tai-gu-bang Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
http://www.taigu.org/index.htm
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
-- IuN Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
Re: RE: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: levin
Date: 2008-02-14 22:50:10
官話。Lip-bun -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of 蕭平治 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:14 PM To: Tiunn Hok Chu; Phokgoan Chioh; TGB(G) Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangchamChhiann-mng: Mandarin e hoa-gi an-choann kong? Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiunn Hok Chu" To: "Phokgoan Chioh" ; "TGB(G)"
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Phpokgoan, Kionghi! Li chite SLL(siaulianlang) u chiahnih chiuchi e sukho kap chengchhai e lunsut. Goa chiok phoehok! …Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese.
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese.
- Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言. Babuza
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoan Chioh" To: "TGB(G)" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Babuza isu li ho,
Goa e siunnhoat ma siosiang, 中文-華語 bo hah lichek (理則). Mkoh, goae siunnhoat si, "中文" e mia kinpun toh engkai hui tiau. Si inui ikeng choseng kokche, punte binchiong, simchi haksut siong e gouhoe. Anchoann kong leh? Chhiann khoann Kokche Gibunhak Hoe e gibun hunlui.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=zho Che si 中文. Khi hou lang ho choe "Macrolanguage". Iah chiusi, ekha pauham chinchoe "方言". Soui kithann siannmih Khehgi, Taigi, Kngtanggi, simchi Mandarin long si i e 1 pouhun.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=cmn Mkoh susit siong, Mandarin engkai si chite taiho.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=nan Che si Taigi bokcheng e taiho. Kiatko chit 2 chiong long si 中文 e 1 pouhun.
Soui goa jinui, nachun kichai in ka hitchiong gibun ho cho "中文", simchi koh ka in chhongcho "中語" chitchiong miasu, un si2 e.
Che masi 1 chiong 位階 e 戰爭. Hapcheng koh hapli. Mandarin beh kio siannmih mia, goante si bo goae taichi. Mkoh chitma ikeng hou chinchoe lang gouhoe jinui -- Mandarin si "語言", Taigibun si "方言", soui "方言" tohsi boetang sia lohlai e, jichhiann nachun beh sia ma toh ai iong Hanji… … …
Takke u hoathian bo? Chiae ue bo-e, lan long chaiiann si mtioh. Mkoh chittui "Chhogou E Likai", kap kap chohoe, toh piancho chin phainn kaisoe.
Soui lan itteng ai kiongtiau -- Mandarin msi 中文. Mandarin 並無包含著台文. Mandarin kap Taibun si ti KANG CHITE TENG2-HO7! Taibun kap kithann gibun chhinchhiunn Engbun, Jitbun, longsi GIGIAN, msi HNGGIAN.
Soui, nasi u lang kong goae gigian si 閩南方言, chin phainnse, goa e kong ie gigian masi 北京方言. 無 "中語" e 稱號, hou 人有反思 e 機會 -- "是
anchoann m 叫做中語? 因為中文無語言, 我所講e 語言原來 msi 中文!" Ma hou in kesiok sipkoan "國語" bo iaukin. U chitkang, "國語" e miaho bo ah, chongsi e hoathian -- 原來我講 e 語言竟然無 1e 好聽 e 名! He tohsi PIAI.
Choeau beh kaisoe goa anne kong peng MSI inui goa chiapsiu "一個漢語, 許多方言" 論. Susit siong goa chin siunnbeh phah phoa chite theche. Toh chhinchhiunn 越南語 chincheng ma khi hou lang hun cho "漢語系". Chitma ikeng hun choe 南島語, long si inui 脫漢成功, kionghi!
Chisi lan chin kutng lai long khi ho'ng phah cho 方言. Lan ma ai i chin u lichek e chohoat, ka Mandarin phah cho 方言. Che itchhe long u kinku.
Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言, inui in 2e kang kipsou3.
Che itchhe longsi Kokche Gibunhak Hoe ka lan kong e.
Bong chhamkho.
Phokgoan, Jigoeh 13, 2008
On Feb 13, 2008 7:01 PM, Babuza wrote:
"中語"si goan Kohiong lang e siunnhoat natiann. 英語-英文; 法語-法文; 德語-德文; 日語-日文….. --->中語-中文/華語-華文, anne engkai pi chitma e 中文-華語 khah hah 'logic'. Goan ma liaukai chinche lang tui chitkhoan e sukho u bokang e ikian. Babuza
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoân" To: "TGB(G)" Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Kokūi chiânpoē ta̍kke hó,
M̄chaiiáⁿ chitmá beh sinchhéng ê bānglō͘ tēmiâ sī beh kiànli̍p siáⁿmi̍h khoán ê bāngchām leh?
Goá hoathiān "www.taibun.com.tw" iáu bôlâng chiàm. M̄koh "www.taibun.tw" íkeng hō͘ Kokka Tâioân Bûnha̍k Koán theh lâi khǹg Tâibûn Rômájī chuliāu ah (Úngiân lāusu kám chaiiáⁿ? M̄koh goá siūⁿbeh mn̄g, chitê chām kám khaisí ūnchok ah? Goá se̍h lâi se̍h khì kantāⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h chi̍ttui "testing")
Ēkha sī chi̍tkoá kap téngbīn gītê khah bô siongkoan ê.
Chóng kóng khílâi sī goá chin ài "Tâibûn" chitê sû. Lán ētàng hoathiān, liûhêng ê sû sī "中文", "台語", "客語". Nātùi kîthaⁿ gíbûn to̍hsī 2 chióng miâ lóng ū (英文, 英語). Só͘í ahpà ê Mandarin súiōng chiá tiāⁿ kiò lâng "說中文", náchhiūⁿ in kóng chhutchhùi ê lóng sī bûnchiuⁿ; iōng Tâigíbûn ánchoáⁿ siá lóng m̄chiâⁿ bûn. Só͘í goá chichhî "Tâibûn", "Hakvùn" ê miâ.
M̄koh, goá bô chichhî "中語" ê miâ (goá tī Tâi-Lô Hoē 2, 3 tang chêng chhutpán lâi thuikóng ê Tâioân Bógú Chhiúchheh khoàⁿtio̍h chitê sû). Sī ánchoáⁿ ùi chi̍t khaisí to̍h bô lâng iōng chitê sû? Inūi hiaê Chinàlâng kiànkok ê sî hoatbêng "中文" chitê sû, in to̍h siattēng chitê sû sī kó͘tián Hànbûn. Gígiân lóng sī "tēhng gígiân", só͘í bô kiòchò 中語. Itti̍t kàu taⁿ, chitê khò kokka chugoân chiâⁿchò koaⁿhong gíbûn ê Mandarin, chèngsek ê miâ lóngsī "國語", "普通話" chitchióng m̄chiâⁿ miâ ê chhengho͘. Che sī in éngoán ê KHOAT-HĀM; chóng ū chi̍t kang, in ē hoathiān -- in teh kóng ê gígiân, sī BÔ MIÂ ê. Tongjiân nā beh chhengho͘ chitchióng gíbûn, goáê kiàngī sī 北京語/文/方言, a̍hsī goá katī chitmá siá bûnchiuⁿ lóng súiōng ê "滿漢語/文/方言" (Mandarin, nā kóng 滿文, to̍h m̄tio̍h; èngkai ētàng kóng 滿式漢語, kuikhì kiò 滿漢語, che sī goá ê siūⁿhoat. Chóngsī Chinàlâng khoàⁿtio̍h "滿漢" to̍h kámkak chin "sóng" èngkai bô siáⁿmi̍h thanghó hoántùi. Lēnggoā nāchún in chhengho͘ lán "閩南方言", ánne in to̍hsī 滿漢方言, 北京方言. Khoàⁿ chênghêng súiōng, chin hongpiān.)
Kóng kah m̄chai tùi to'ī khì, chin pháiⁿsè. Bóng chhamkhó.
Phokgoân, Jīgoe̍h 13, 2008
2008/2/13 鄭兒玉牧師 :
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail. Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni. Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan oe-tit-thang eng e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki: "taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other ideaI-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn,TJg
Tann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message ----- From: Iunn Un-gian To: Tai-gu-bang Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
http://www.taigu.org/index.htm
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
-- IuN Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
Re: “‘Hoa’-gu「華」語" ? Joa“‘hoa’ 「華」”?
From: 鄭兒玉牧師
Date: 2008-02-14 23:53:58
“‘Hoa’-gu「華」語" ? Joa“‘hoa’ 「華」”?
Tin Jyi-giokk Goa hui-siong tho-iam: in e Tiong-kok-oe, ka i kio choe“’Hoa-gu'「華」語".
5000-ni-lai e chiunn-ang bun-hoa e tian-heng, chiu-si Han-ji so* tai-piau e
Tiong-kok-oe, kio choe "‘Hoa’-gu「華」語", ti goa e li-seng u siong-tong e
ti-
khong. Lan chai, sit-chai si bo-kau-joa“‘hoa’「華」”. Leng-kho* si
“‘hoa’「華」”e to-peng chiah tiohh. Lan na ka i kio choe “'hoa’「華」語", kiann liau lan si teh cho-tiong
(助長) in e chu-pi-kam-heng (自卑感型) e iu-oatt-kam (優越感). Seng phah kui-ji ho tai-ke choe chham-kho. Siong-se au-jitt na khah u
si-kan
chiah koh lai tho-lun. To-sia tai-ke, koh chitt-pai Chhun-chiat peng-an,
TJg
----- Original Message ----- From: "蕭平治" To: "Tiunn Hok Chu" ; "Phokgoan Chioh" ; "TGB(G)" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:14 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Chhiann-mng: Mandarin e hoa-gi an-choann kong? Lah-jih
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiunn Hok Chu" To: "Phokgoan Chioh" ; "TGB(G)"
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Phpokgoan, Kionghi! Li chite SLL(siaulianlang) u chiahnih chiuchi e sukho kap chengchhai e lunsut. Goa chiok phoehok! …Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese.
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese.
- Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言. Babuza
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoan Chioh" To: "TGB(G)" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Babuza isu li ho,
Goa e siunnhoat ma siosiang, 中文-華語 bo hah lichek (理則). Mkoh, goae siunnhoat si, "中文" e mia kinpun toh engkai hui tiau. Si inui ikeng choseng kokche, punte binchiong, simchi haksut siong e gouhoe. Anchoann kong leh? Chhiann khoann Kokche Gibunhak Hoe e gibun hunlui.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=zho Che si 中文. Khi hou lang ho choe "Macrolanguage". Iah chiusi, ekha pauham chinchoe "方言". Soui kithann siannmih Khehgi, Taigi, Kngtanggi, simchi Mandarin long si i e 1 pouhun.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=cmn Mkoh susit siong, Mandarin engkai si chite taiho.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=nan Che si Taigi bokcheng e taiho. Kiatko chit 2 chiong long si 中文 e 1 pouhun.
Soui goa jinui, nachun kichai in ka hitchiong gibun ho cho "中文", simchi koh ka in chhongcho "中語" chitchiong miasu, un si2 e.
Che masi 1 chiong 位階 e 戰爭. Hapcheng koh hapli. Mandarin beh kio siannmih mia, goante si bo goae taichi. Mkoh chitma ikeng hou chinchoe lang gouhoe jinui -- Mandarin si "語言", Taigibun si "方言", soui "方言" tohsi boetang sia lohlai e, jichhiann nachun beh sia ma toh ai iong Hanji… … …
Takke u hoathian bo? Chiae ue bo-e, lan long chaiiann si mtioh. Mkoh chittui "Chhogou E Likai", kap kap chohoe, toh piancho chin phainn kaisoe.
Soui lan itteng ai kiongtiau -- Mandarin msi 中文. Mandarin 並無包含著台文. Mandarin kap Taibun si ti KANG CHITE TENG2-HO7! Taibun kap kithann gibun chhinchhiunn Engbun, Jitbun, longsi GIGIAN, msi HNGGIAN.
Soui, nasi u lang kong goae gigian si 閩南方言, chin phainnse, goa e kong ie gigian masi 北京方言. 無 "中語" e 稱號, hou 人有反思 e 機會 -- "是
anchoann m 叫做中語? 因為中文無語言, 我所講e 語言原來 msi 中文!" Ma hou in kesiok sipkoan "國語" bo iaukin. U chitkang, "國語" e miaho bo ah, chongsi e hoathian -- 原來我講 e 語言竟然無 1e 好聽 e 名! He tohsi PIAI.
Choeau beh kaisoe goa anne kong peng MSI inui goa chiapsiu "一個漢語, 許多方言" 論. Susit siong goa chin siunnbeh phah phoa chite theche. Toh chhinchhiunn 越南語 chincheng ma khi hou lang hun cho "漢語系". Chitma ikeng hun choe 南島語, long si inui 脫漢成功, kionghi!
Chisi lan chin kutng lai long khi ho'ng phah cho 方言. Lan ma ai i chin u lichek e chohoat, ka Mandarin phah cho 方言. Che itchhe long u kinku.
Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese.
- Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言, inui in 2e kang kipsou3.
Che itchhe longsi Kokche Gibunhak Hoe ka lan kong e.
Bong chhamkho.
Phokgoan, Jigoeh 13, 2008
On Feb 13, 2008 7:01 PM, Babuza wrote:
"中語"si goan Kohiong lang e siunnhoat natiann. 英語-英文; 法語-法文; 德語-德文; 日語-日文….. --->中語-中文/華語-華文, anne engkai pi chitma e 中文-華語 khah hah 'logic'. Goan ma liaukai chinche lang tui chitkhoan e sukho u bokang e ikian. Babuza
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoân" To: "TGB(G)" Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Kokūi chiânpoē ta̍kke hó,
M̄chaiiáⁿ chitmá beh sinchhéng ê bānglō͘ tēmiâ sī beh kiànli̍p siáⁿmi̍h khoán ê bāngchām leh?
Goá hoathiān "www.taibun.com.tw" iáu bôlâng chiàm. M̄koh "www.taibun.tw" íkeng hō͘ Kokka Tâioân Bûnha̍k Koán theh lâi khǹg Tâibûn Rômájī chuliāu ah (Úngiân lāusu kám chaiiáⁿ? M̄koh goá siūⁿbeh mn̄g, chitê chām kám khaisí ūnchok ah? Goá se̍h lâi se̍h khì kantāⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h chi̍ttui "testing")
Ēkha sī chi̍tkoá kap téngbīn gītê khah bô siongkoan ê.
Chóng kóng khílâi sī goá chin ài "Tâibûn" chitê sû. Lán ētàng hoathiān, liûhêng ê sû sī "中文", "台語", "客語". Nātùi kîthaⁿ gíbûn to̍hsī 2 chióng miâ lóng ū (英文, 英語). Só͘í ahpà ê Mandarin súiōng chiá tiāⁿ kiò lâng "說中文", náchhiūⁿ in kóng chhutchhùi ê lóng sī bûnchiuⁿ; iōng Tâigíbûn ánchoáⁿ siá lóng m̄chiâⁿ bûn. Só͘í goá chichhî "Tâibûn", "Hakvùn" ê miâ.
M̄koh, goá bô chichhî "中語" ê miâ (goá tī Tâi-Lô Hoē 2, 3 tang chêng chhutpán lâi thuikóng ê Tâioân Bógú Chhiúchheh khoàⁿtio̍h chitê sû). Sī ánchoáⁿ ùi chi̍t khaisí to̍h bô lâng iōng chitê sû? Inūi hiaê Chinàlâng kiànkok ê sî hoatbêng "中文" chitê sû, in to̍h siattēng chitê sû sī kó͘tián Hànbûn. Gígiân lóng sī "tēhng gígiân", só͘í bô kiòchò 中語. Itti̍t kàu taⁿ, chitê khò kokka chugoân chiâⁿchò koaⁿhong gíbûn ê Mandarin, chèngsek ê miâ lóngsī "國語", "普通話" chitchióng m̄chiâⁿ miâ ê chhengho͘. Che sī in éngoán ê KHOAT-HĀM; chóng ū chi̍t kang, in ē hoathiān -- in teh kóng ê gígiân, sī BÔ MIÂ ê. Tongjiân nā beh chhengho͘ chitchióng gíbûn, goáê kiàngī sī 北京語/文/方言, a̍hsī goá katī chitmá siá bûnchiuⁿ lóng súiōng ê "滿漢語/文/方言" (Mandarin, nā kóng 滿文, to̍h m̄tio̍h; èngkai ētàng kóng 滿式漢語, kuikhì kiò 滿漢語, che sī goá ê siūⁿhoat. Chóngsī Chinàlâng khoàⁿtio̍h "滿漢" to̍h kámkak chin "sóng" èngkai bô siáⁿmi̍h thanghó hoántùi. Lēnggoā nāchún in chhengho͘ lán "閩南方言", ánne in to̍hsī 滿漢方言, 北京方言. Khoàⁿ chênghêng súiōng, chin hongpiān.)
Kóng kah m̄chai tùi to'ī khì, chin pháiⁿsè. Bóng chhamkhó.
Phokgoân, Jīgoe̍h 13, 2008
2008/2/13 鄭兒玉牧師 :
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail. Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni. Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan oe-tit-thang eng e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki: "taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other ideaI-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn,TJg
----- Original Message ----- From: Iunn Un-gian To: Tai-gu-bang Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Tann lan e "Domain, Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name
ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
IuN Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: 蕭平治
Date: 2008-02-15 09:14:21
Lip-bun hiann: to-sia, koh chhiann-mng 1--e, Mandarin chit-khoan ''koann-oe'' si tai-piau to chit-chiong oe. Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "levin" To: "'蕭平治'" ; "'Tiunn Hok Chu'" ; "'Phokgoan Chioh'" ; "'TGB(G)'" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: RE: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham 官話。Lip-bun-----Original Message----- From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of 蕭平治 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:14 PM To: Tiunn Hok Chu; Phokgoan Chioh; TGB(G) Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangchamChhiann-mng: Mandarin e hoa-gi an-choann kong? Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiunn Hok Chu" To: "Phokgoan Chioh" ; "TGB(G)"
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Phpokgoan, Kionghi! Li chite SLL(siaulianlang) u chiahnih chiuchi e sukho kap chengchhai e lunsut. Goa chiok phoehok! …Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese.
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese.
- Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言. Babuza
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoan Chioh" To: "TGB(G)" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Babuza isu li ho,
Goa e siunnhoat ma siosiang, 中文-華語 bo hah lichek (理則). Mkoh, goae siunnhoat si, "中文" e mia kinpun toh engkai hui tiau. Si inui ikeng choseng kokche, punte binchiong, simchi haksut siong e gouhoe. Anchoann kong leh? Chhiann khoann Kokche Gibunhak Hoe e gibun hunlui.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=zho Che si 中文. Khi hou lang ho choe "Macrolanguage". Iah chiusi, ekha pauham chinchoe "方言". Soui kithann siannmih Khehgi, Taigi, Kngtanggi, simchi Mandarin long si i e 1 pouhun.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=cmn Mkoh susit siong, Mandarin engkai si chite taiho.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=nan Che si Taigi bokcheng e taiho. Kiatko chit 2 chiong long si 中文 e 1 pouhun.
Soui goa jinui, nachun kichai in ka hitchiong gibun ho cho "中文", simchi koh ka in chhongcho "中語" chitchiong miasu, un si2 e.
Che masi 1 chiong 位階 e 戰爭. Hapcheng koh hapli. Mandarin beh kio siannmih mia, goante si bo goae taichi. Mkoh chitma ikeng hou chinchoe lang gouhoe jinui -- Mandarin si "語言", Taigibun si "方言", soui "方言" tohsi boetang sia lohlai e, jichhiann nachun beh sia ma toh ai iong Hanji… … …
Takke u hoathian bo? Chiae ue bo-e, lan long chaiiann si mtioh. Mkoh chittui "Chhogou E Likai", kap kap chohoe, toh piancho chin phainn kaisoe.
Soui lan itteng ai kiongtiau -- Mandarin msi 中文. Mandarin 並無包含著台文. Mandarin kap Taibun si ti KANG CHITE TENG2-HO7! Taibun kap kithann gibun chhinchhiunn Engbun, Jitbun, longsi GIGIAN, msi HNGGIAN.
Soui, nasi u lang kong goae gigian si 閩南方言, chin phainnse, goa e kong ie gigian masi 北京方言. 無 "中語" e 稱號, hou 人有反思 e 機會 -- "是
anchoann m 叫做中語? 因為中文無語言, 我所講e 語言原來 msi 中文!" Ma hou in kesiok sipkoan "國語" bo iaukin. U chitkang, "國語" e miaho bo ah, chongsi e hoathian -- 原來我講 e 語言竟然無 1e 好聽 e 名! He tohsi PIAI.
Choeau beh kaisoe goa anne kong peng MSI inui goa chiapsiu "一個漢語, 許多方言" 論. Susit siong goa chin siunnbeh phah phoa chite theche. Toh chhinchhiunn 越南語 chincheng ma khi hou lang hun cho "漢語系". Chitma ikeng hun choe 南島語, long si inui 脫漢成功, kionghi!
Chisi lan chin kutng lai long khi ho'ng phah cho 方言. Lan ma ai i chin u lichek e chohoat, ka Mandarin phah cho 方言. Che itchhe long u kinku.
Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言, inui in 2e kang kipsou3.
Che itchhe longsi Kokche Gibunhak Hoe ka lan kong e.
Bong chhamkho.
Phokgoan, Jigoeh 13, 2008
On Feb 13, 2008 7:01 PM, Babuza wrote:
"中語"si goan Kohiong lang e siunnhoat natiann. 英語-英文; 法語-法文; 德語-德文; 日語-日文….. --->中語-中文/華語-華文, anne engkai pi chitma e 中文-華語 khah hah 'logic'. Goan ma liaukai chinche lang tui chitkhoan e sukho u bokang e ikian. Babuza
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoân" To: "TGB(G)" Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Kokūi chiânpoē ta̍kke hó,
M̄chaiiáⁿ chitmá beh sinchhéng ê bānglō͘ tēmiâ sī beh kiànli̍p siáⁿmi̍h khoán ê bāngchām leh?
Goá hoathiān "www.taibun.com.tw" iáu bôlâng chiàm. M̄koh "www.taibun.tw" íkeng hō͘ Kokka Tâioân Bûnha̍k Koán theh lâi khǹg Tâibûn Rômájī chuliāu ah (Úngiân lāusu kám chaiiáⁿ? M̄koh goá siūⁿbeh mn̄g, chitê chām kám khaisí ūnchok ah? Goá se̍h lâi se̍h khì kantāⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h chi̍ttui "testing")
Ēkha sī chi̍tkoá kap téngbīn gītê khah bô siongkoan ê.
Chóng kóng khílâi sī goá chin ài "Tâibûn" chitê sû. Lán ētàng hoathiān, liûhêng ê sû sī "中文", "台語", "客語". Nātùi kîthaⁿ gíbûn to̍hsī 2 chióng miâ lóng ū (英文, 英語). Só͘í ahpà ê Mandarin súiōng chiá tiāⁿ kiò lâng "說中文", náchhiūⁿ in kóng chhutchhùi ê lóng sī bûnchiuⁿ; iōng Tâigíbûn ánchoáⁿ siá lóng m̄chiâⁿ bûn. Só͘í goá chichhî "Tâibûn", "Hakvùn" ê miâ.
M̄koh, goá bô chichhî "中語" ê miâ (goá tī Tâi-Lô Hoē 2, 3 tang chêng chhutpán lâi thuikóng ê Tâioân Bógú Chhiúchheh khoàⁿtio̍h chitê sû). Sī ánchoáⁿ ùi chi̍t khaisí to̍h bô lâng iōng chitê sû? Inūi hiaê Chinàlâng kiànkok ê sî hoatbêng "中文" chitê sû, in to̍h siattēng chitê sû sī kó͘tián Hànbûn. Gígiân lóng sī "tēhng gígiân", só͘í bô kiòchò 中語. Itti̍t kàu taⁿ, chitê khò kokka chugoân chiâⁿchò koaⁿhong gíbûn ê Mandarin, chèngsek ê miâ lóngsī "國語", "普通話" chitchióng m̄chiâⁿ miâ ê chhengho͘. Che sī in éngoán ê KHOAT-HĀM; chóng ū chi̍t kang, in ē hoathiān -- in teh kóng ê gígiân, sī BÔ MIÂ ê. Tongjiân nā beh chhengho͘ chitchióng gíbûn, goáê kiàngī sī 北京語/文/方言, a̍hsī goá katī chitmá siá bûnchiuⁿ lóng súiōng ê "滿漢語/文/方言" (Mandarin, nā kóng 滿文, to̍h m̄tio̍h; èngkai ētàng kóng 滿式漢語, kuikhì kiò 滿漢語, che sī goá ê siūⁿhoat. Chóngsī Chinàlâng khoàⁿtio̍h "滿漢" to̍h kámkak chin "sóng" èngkai bô siáⁿmi̍h thanghó hoántùi. Lēnggoā nāchún in chhengho͘ lán "閩南方言", ánne in to̍hsī 滿漢方言, 北京方言. Khoàⁿ chênghêng súiōng, chin hongpiān.)
Kóng kah m̄chai tùi to'ī khì, chin pháiⁿsè. Bóng chhamkhó.
Phokgoân, Jīgoe̍h 13, 2008
2008/2/13 鄭兒玉牧師 :
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail. Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni. Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan oe-tit-thang eng e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki: "taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other ideaI-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn,TJg
Tann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message ----- From: Iunn Un-gian To: Tai-gu-bang Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
http://www.taigu.org/index.htm
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
-- IuN Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
Re: RE: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: levin
Date: 2008-02-15 17:21:19
Siau lau-su, Goa ma bo sim-mih bat. M-koh tai7-the2-siong7 gi-gian-hak-ka jin-ui "Koann-oe" si Han3-gi2-he7 e chit8-chiong2 gi-gian, chit-chiong gi-gian pun-sin u i ka-ti e "hong-gan". Chit-si kan-na chhoe tioh e-kha e bang-iah, eng-kai e-tang sio chham-kho--chit-e: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AE%98%E8%AF%9Dhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_%28linguistics%29Lip-bun
-----Original Message----- From: 蕭平治 [mailto:] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:14 AM To: ; 'Tiunn Hok Chu'; 'Phokgoan Chioh'; 'TGB(G)' Subject: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham Lip-bun hiann: to-sia, koh chhiann-mng 1--e, Mandarin chit-khoan ''koann-oe'' si tai-piau to chit-chiong oe. Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "levin" To: "'蕭平治'" ; "'Tiunn Hok Chu'" ; "'Phokgoan Chioh'" ; "'TGB(G)'" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: RE: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham 官話。Lip-bun-----Original Message----- From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of 蕭平治 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:14 PM To: Tiunn Hok Chu; Phokgoan Chioh; TGB(G) Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangchamChhiann-mng: Mandarin e hoa-gi an-choann kong? Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiunn Hok Chu" To: "Phokgoan Chioh" ; "TGB(G)" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Phpokgoan, Kionghi! Li chite SLL(siaulianlang) u chiahnih chiuchi e sukho kap chengchhai e lunsut. Goa chiok phoehok! …Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese. 2. Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言. Babuza
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoan Chioh" To: "TGB(G)" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Babuza isu li ho,
Goa e siunnhoat ma siosiang, 中文-華語 bo hah lichek (理則). Mkoh, goae siunnhoat si, "中文" e mia kinpun toh engkai hui tiau. Si inui ikeng choseng kokche, punte binchiong, simchi haksut siong e gouhoe. Anchoann kong leh? Chhiann khoann Kokche Gibunhak Hoe e gibun hunlui.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=zho Che si 中文. Khi hou lang ho choe "Macrolanguage". Iah chiusi, ekha pauham chinchoe "方言". Soui kithann siannmih Khehgi, Taigi, Kngtanggi, simchi Mandarin long si i e 1 pouhun.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=cmn Mkoh susit siong, Mandarin engkai si chite taiho.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=nan Che si Taigi bokcheng e taiho. Kiatko chit 2 chiong long si 中文 e 1 pouhun.
Soui goa jinui, nachun kichai in ka hitchiong gibun ho cho "中文", simchi koh ka in chhongcho "中語" chitchiong miasu, un si2 e.
Che masi 1 chiong 位階 e 戰爭. Hapcheng koh hapli. Mandarin beh kio siannmih mia, goante si bo goae taichi. Mkoh chitma ikeng hou chinchoe lang gouhoe jinui -- Mandarin si "語言", Taigibun si "方言", soui "方言" tohsi boetang sia lohlai e, jichhiann nachun beh sia ma toh ai iong Hanji… … …
Takke u hoathian bo? Chiae ue bo-e, lan long chaiiann si mtioh. Mkoh chittui "Chhogou E Likai", kap kap chohoe, toh piancho chin phainn kaisoe.
Soui lan itteng ai kiongtiau -- Mandarin msi 中文. Mandarin 並無包含著台文. Mandarin kap Taibun si ti KANG CHITE TENG2-HO7! Taibun kap kithann gibun chhinchhiunn Engbun, Jitbun, longsi GIGIAN, msi HNGGIAN.
Soui, nasi u lang kong goae gigian si 閩南方言, chin phainnse, goa e kong ie gigian masi 北京方言. 無 "中語" e 稱號, hou 人有反思 e 機會 -- "是
anchoann m 叫做中語? 因為中文無語言, 我所講e 語言原來 msi 中文!" Ma hou in kesiok sipkoan "國語" bo iaukin. U chitkang, "國語" e miaho bo ah, chongsi e hoathian -- 原來我講 e 語言竟然無 1e 好聽 e 名! He tohsi PIAI.
Choeau beh kaisoe goa anne kong peng MSI inui goa chiapsiu "一個漢語, 許多方言" 論. Susit siong goa chin siunnbeh phah phoa chite theche. Toh chhinchhiunn 越南語 chincheng ma khi hou lang hun cho "漢語系". Chitma ikeng hun choe 南島語, long si inui 脫漢成功, kionghi!
Chisi lan chin kutng lai long khi ho'ng phah cho 方言. Lan ma ai i chin u lichek e chohoat, ka Mandarin phah cho 方言. Che itchhe long u kinku.
Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言, inui in 2e kang kipsou3.
Che itchhe longsi Kokche Gibunhak Hoe ka lan kong e.
Bong chhamkho.
Phokgoan, Jigoeh 13, 2008
On Feb 13, 2008 7:01 PM, Babuza wrote:
"中語"si goan Kohiong lang e siunnhoat natiann. 英語-英文; 法語-法文; 德語-德文; 日語-日文….. --->中語-中文/華語-華文, anne engkai pi chitma e 中文-華語 khah hah 'logic'. Goan ma liaukai chinche lang tui chitkhoan e sukho u bokang e ikian. Babuza
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoân" To: "TGB(G)" Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Kokūi chiânpoē ta̍kke hó,
M̄chaiiáⁿ chitmá beh sinchhéng ê bānglō͘ tēmiâ sī beh kiànli̍p siáⁿmi̍h khoán ê bāngchām leh?
Goá hoathiān "www.taibun.com.tw" iáu bôlâng chiàm. M̄koh "www.taibun.tw" íkeng hō͘ Kokka Tâioân Bûnha̍k Koán theh lâi khǹg Tâibûn Rômájī chuliāu ah (Úngiân lāusu kám chaiiáⁿ? M̄koh goá siūⁿbeh mn̄g, chitê chām kám khaisí ūnchok ah? Goá se̍h lâi se̍h khì kantāⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h chi̍ttui "testing")
Ēkha sī chi̍tkoá kap téngbīn gītê khah bô siongkoan ê.
Chóng kóng khílâi sī goá chin ài "Tâibûn" chitê sû. Lán ētàng hoathiān, liûhêng ê sû sī "中文", "台語", "客語". Nātùi kîthaⁿ gíbûn to̍hsī 2 chióng miâ lóng ū (英文, 英語). Só͘í ahpà ê Mandarin súiōng chiá tiāⁿ kiò lâng "說中文", náchhiūⁿ in kóng chhutchhùi ê lóng sī bûnchiuⁿ; iōng Tâigíbûn ánchoáⁿ siá lóng m̄chiâⁿ bûn. Só͘í goá chichhî "Tâibûn", "Hakvùn" ê miâ.
M̄koh, goá bô chichhî "中語" ê miâ (goá tī Tâi-Lô Hoē 2, 3 tang chêng chhutpán lâi thuikóng ê Tâioân Bógú Chhiúchheh khoàⁿtio̍h chitê sû). Sī ánchoáⁿ ùi chi̍t khaisí to̍h bô lâng iōng chitê sû? Inūi hiaê Chinàlâng kiànkok ê sî hoatbêng "中文" chitê sû, in to̍h siattēng chitê sû sī kó͘tián Hànbûn. Gígiân lóng sī "tēhng gígiân", só͘í bô kiòchò 中語. Itti̍t kàu taⁿ, chitê khò kokka chugoân chiâⁿchò koaⁿhong gíbûn ê Mandarin, chèngsek ê miâ lóngsī "國語", "普通話" chitchióng m̄chiâⁿ miâ ê chhengho͘. Che sī in éngoán ê KHOAT-HĀM; chóng ū chi̍t kang, in ē hoathiān -- in teh kóng ê gígiân, sī BÔ MIÂ ê. Tongjiân nā beh chhengho͘ chitchióng gíbûn, goáê kiàngī sī 北京語/文/方言, a̍hsī goá katī chitmá siá bûnchiuⁿ lóng súiōng ê "滿漢語/文/方言" (Mandarin, nā kóng 滿文, to̍h m̄tio̍h; èngkai ētàng kóng 滿式漢語, kuikhì kiò 滿漢語, che sī goá ê siūⁿhoat. Chóngsī Chinàlâng khoàⁿtio̍h "滿漢" to̍h kámkak chin "sóng" èngkai bô siáⁿmi̍h thanghó hoántùi. Lēnggoā nāchún in chhengho͘ lán "閩南方言", ánne in to̍hsī 滿漢方言, 北京方言. Khoàⁿ chênghêng súiōng, chin hongpiān.)
Kóng kah m̄chai tùi to'ī khì, chin pháiⁿsè. Bóng chhamkhó.
Phokgoân, Jīgoe̍h 13, 2008
2008/2/13 鄭兒玉牧師 :
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail. Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni. Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan oe-tit-thang eng e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki: "taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other ideaI-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn,TJg
Tann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message ----- From: Iunn Un-gian To: Tai-gu-bang Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
http://www.taigu.org/index.htm
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
-- IuN Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: gugarn.giatou
Date: 2008-02-15 22:23:25
Ti goa iau behiau Lomaji chincheng, chitge kangchhiunn e chhiunntiunn toh kagoa chicheng kong goa konge Pakkiannoe msi hocho Chinese, si kio Mandarin. Goa to iau teh kai chhengkau anchoann sia chitji ji? I toh kong "滿大人" lah, na toh siunn phin!
Chhoa Kimeng
----- Original Message ----- From: "levin"
To: "'蕭平治'" ; "'Tiunn Hok Chu'" ; "'Phokgoan Chioh'" ; "'TGB(G)'"
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Siau lau-su, Goa ma bo sim-mih bat. M-koh tai7-the2-siong7 gi-gian-hak-ka jin-ui "Koann-oe" si Han3-gi2-he7 e chit8-chiong2 gi-gian, chit-chiong gi-gian pun-sin u i ka-ti e "hong-gan". Chit-si kan-na chhoe tioh e-kha e bang-iah, eng-kai e-tang sio chham-kho--chit-e: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AE%98%E8%AF%9D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_%28linguistics%29
Lip-bun
-----Original Message----- From: 蕭平治 [mailto:] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:14 AM To: ; 'Tiunn Hok Chu'; 'Phokgoan Chioh'; 'TGB(G)' Subject: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Lip-bun hiann: to-sia, koh chhiann-mng 1--e, Mandarin chit-khoan ''koann-oe'' si tai-piau to chit-chiong oe. Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "levin" To: "'蕭平治'" ; "'Tiunn Hok Chu'" ; "'Phokgoan Chioh'" ;
"'TGB(G)'" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: RE: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
官話。
Lip-bun
-----Original
Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of 蕭平治
Sent: Thursday, February 14,
2008 9:14 PM
To: Tiunn Hok Chu; Phokgoan Chioh; TGB(G)
Subject: [tgb] Re:
Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Chhiann-mng: Mandarin e hoa-gi an-choann kong? Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiunn Hok Chu" To: "Phokgoan Chioh" ; "TGB(G)" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Phpokgoan, Kionghi! Li chite SLL(siaulianlang) u chiahnih chiuchi e sukho kap chengchhai e lunsut. Goa chiok phoehok! …Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese. 2. Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言. Babuza
----- Original Message
From: "Phokgoan Chioh" To: "TGB(G)" ;
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Babuza isu li ho,
Goa e siunnhoat ma siosiang, 中文-華語 bo hah lichek (理則). Mkoh, goae siunnhoat si, "中文" e mia kinpun toh engkai hui tiau. Si inui ikeng choseng kokche, punte binchiong, simchi haksut siong e gouhoe. Anchoann kong leh? Chhiann khoann Kokche Gibunhak Hoe e gibun hunlui.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=zho Che si 中文. Khi hou lang ho choe "Macrolanguage". Iah chiusi, ekha pauham chinchoe "方言". Soui kithann siannmih Khehgi, Taigi, Kngtanggi, simchi Mandarin long si i e 1 pouhun.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=cmn Mkoh susit siong, Mandarin engkai si chite taiho.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=nan Che si Taigi bokcheng e taiho. Kiatko chit 2 chiong long si 中文 e 1 pouhun.
Soui goa jinui, nachun kichai in ka hitchiong gibun ho cho "中文",
simchi koh ka in chhongcho "中語" chitchiong miasu, un si2 e.
Che masi 1 chiong 位階 e 戰爭. Hapcheng koh hapli. Mandarin beh kio siannmih mia, goante si bo goae taichi. Mkoh chitma ikeng hou chinchoe lang gouhoe jinui -- Mandarin si "語言", Taigibun si "方言", soui "方言" tohsi boetang sia lohlai e, jichhiann nachun beh sia ma toh ai iong Hanji… … …
Takke u hoathian bo? Chiae ue bo-e, lan long chaiiann si mtioh. Mkoh chittui "Chhogou E Likai", kap kap chohoe, toh piancho chin phainn kaisoe.
Soui lan itteng ai kiongtiau -- Mandarin msi 中文. Mandarin 並無包含著台文. Mandarin kap Taibun si ti KANG CHITE TENG2-HO7! Taibun kap kithann gibun chhinchhiunn Engbun, Jitbun, longsi GIGIAN, msi HNGGIAN.
Soui, nasi u lang kong goae gigian si 閩南方言, chin phainnse, goa e kong ie gigian masi 北京方言. 無 "中語" e 稱號, hou 人有反思 e 機會 -- "是
anchoann m 叫做中語? 因為中文無語言, 我所講e 語言原來 msi 中文!" Ma hou in kesiok sipkoan "國語" bo iaukin. U chitkang, "國語" e miaho bo ah, chongsi e hoathian -- 原來我講
e 語言竟然無 1e 好聽 e 名! He tohsi PIAI.
Choeau beh kaisoe goa anne kong peng MSI inui goa chiapsiu "一個漢語, 許多方言" 論. Susit siong goa chin siunnbeh phah phoa chite theche. Toh chhinchhiunn 越南語 chincheng ma khi hou lang hun cho "漢語系". Chitma ikeng hun choe 南島語, long si inui 脫漢成功, kionghi!
Chisi lan chin kutng lai long khi ho'ng phah cho 方言. Lan ma ai i chin u lichek e chohoat, ka Mandarin phah cho 方言. Che itchhe long u
kinku.
Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言, inui in 2e kang kipsou3.
Che itchhe longsi Kokche Gibunhak Hoe ka lan kong e.
Bong chhamkho.
Phokgoan, Jigoeh 13, 2008
On Feb 13, 2008 7:01 PM, Babuza
wrote:"中語"si goan Kohiong lang e siunnhoat natiann. 英語-英文; 法語-法文; 德語-德文; 日語-日文…..
--->中語-中文/華語-華文, anne engkai pi chitma e 中文-華語 khah hah
'logic'. Goan ma liaukai chinche lang tui chitkhoan e sukho u bokang e ikian. Babuza
Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoân" To: "TGB(G)" Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Kokūi chiânpoē ta̍kke hó,
M̄chaiiáⁿ chitmá beh sinchhéng ê bānglō͘ tēmiâ sī beh kiànli̍p
siáⁿmi̍h khoán ê bāngchām leh?
Goá hoathiān "www.taibun.com.tw" iáu bôlâng chiàm. M̄koh
"www.taibun.tw" íkeng hō͘ Kokka Tâioân Bûnha̍k Koán theh lâi khǹg Tâibûn Rômájī chuliāu ah (Úngiân lāusu kám chaiiáⁿ? M̄koh goá siūⁿbeh mn̄g, chitê chām kám khaisí ūnchok ah? Goá se̍h lâi se̍h
khì kantāⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h chi̍ttui "testing")
Ēkha sī chi̍tkoá kap téngbīn gītê khah bô siongkoan ê.
Chóng kóng khílâi sī goá chin ài "Tâibûn" chitê sû. Lán ētàng hoathiān, liûhêng ê sû sī "中文", "台語", "客語". Nātùi kîthaⁿ gíbûn to̍hsī 2 chióng miâ lóng ū (英文, 英語). Só͘í ahpà ê Mandarin súiōng
chiá tiāⁿ kiò lâng "說中文", náchhiūⁿ in kóng chhutchhùi ê lóng sī
bûnchiuⁿ; iōng
Tâigíbûn ánchoáⁿ siá lóng m̄chiâⁿ bûn. Só͘í goá chichhî "Tâibûn", "Hakvùn" ê miâ.
M̄koh, goá bô chichhî "中語" ê miâ (goá tī Tâi-Lô Hoē 2, 3 tang chêng chhutpán lâi thuikóng ê Tâioân Bógú Chhiúchheh khoàⁿtio̍h chitê sû). Sī ánchoáⁿ ùi chi̍t khaisí to̍h bô lâng iōng chitê sû? Inūi hiaê Chinàlâng kiànkok ê sî hoatbêng "中文" chitê sû, in to̍h siattēng chitê sû sī kó͘tián Hànbûn. Gígiân lóng sī "tēhng gígiân", só͘í bô kiòchò 中語. Itti̍t kàu taⁿ, chitê khò kokka chugoân chiâⁿchò koaⁿhong gíbûn ê Mandarin, chèngsek ê miâ lóngsī "國語", "普通話" chitchióng m̄chiâⁿ
miâ ê chhengho͘. Che sī in éngoán ê KHOAT-HĀM; chóng ū chi̍t kang, in ē hoathiān -- in teh kóng ê gígiân, sī BÔ MIÂ ê. Tongjiân nā beh chhengho͘ chitchióng gíbûn, goáê kiàngī sī 北京語/文/方言, a̍hsī goá
katī chitmá siá bûnchiuⁿ lóng súiōng ê "滿漢語/文/方言" (Mandarin, nā kóng 滿文, to̍h m̄tio̍h; èngkai ētàng kóng 滿式漢語, kuikhì kiò 滿漢語, che sī
goá ê siūⁿhoat. Chóngsī Chinàlâng khoàⁿtio̍h "滿漢" to̍h kámkak chin "sóng" èngkai bô siáⁿmi̍h thanghó hoántùi. Lēnggoā nāchún in chhengho͘ lán "閩南方言", ánne in to̍hsī 滿漢方言, 北京方言. Khoàⁿ chênghêng súiōng,
chin hongpiān.)
Kóng kah m̄chai tùi to'ī khì, chin pháiⁿsè. Bóng chhamkhó.
Phokgoân,
Jīgoe̍h 13, 2008
2008/2/13 鄭兒玉牧師 :
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail.
Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e
khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji
Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much
limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni.
Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan
oe-tit-thang eng
e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki:
"taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other idea
I-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn,
TJg
Tann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message -----
From: Iunn Un-gian
To: Tai-gu-bang Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
http://www.taigu.org/index.htm
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
--
IuN Un-gian 楊允言
Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw >
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: Lim Chun-iok
Date: 2008-02-15 22:43:26
Tai-ke, pengan
Goa the3 bong-jin khi Miami chit-keng iu-siann Seng-keng sin-chheng bian-hui tiam-ji Seng-keng. Chit khai-si chhoe bo "Chinese" toa tioh-kiaN. Ti khah au-bin e sou-chai khoann tioh "Madarin".
Goan-lai kok-che siong long su-iong "Madarin". Kan-ta Tai-oan kong he si "Chinese"
Chuniok
在 2008/2/15，gugarn.giatou 撰寫：
Ti goa iau behiau Lomaji chincheng, chitge kangchhiunn e chhiunntiunn toh kagoa chicheng kong goa konge Pakkiannoe msi hocho Chinese, si kio Mandarin. Goa to iau teh kai chhengkau anchoann sia chitji ji? I toh kong "滿大人" lah, na toh siunn phin!
Chhoa Kimeng
----- Original Message ----- From: "levin"
To: "'蕭平治'" ; "'Tiunn Hok Chu'" ; "'Phokgoan Chioh'" ; "'TGB(G)'"
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Siau lau-su, Goa ma bo sim-mih bat. M-koh tai7-the2-siong7 gi-gian-hak-ka jin-ui "Koann-oe" si Han3-gi2-he7 e chit8-chiong2 gi-gian, chit-chiong gi-gian pun-sin u i ka-ti e "hong-gan". Chit-si kan-na chhoe tioh e-kha e bang-iah, eng-kai e-tang sio chham-kho--chit-e: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AE%98%E8%AF%9D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_%28linguistics%29
Lip-bun
-----Original Message----- From: 蕭平治 [mailto:] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:14 AM To: ; 'Tiunn Hok Chu'; 'Phokgoan Chioh'; 'TGB(G)' Subject: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Lip-bun hiann: to-sia, koh chhiann-mng 1--e, Mandarin chit-khoan ''koann-oe'' si tai-piau to chit-chiong oe. Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "levin"
To: "'蕭平治'" ; "'Tiunn Hok Chu'" ; "'Phokgoan Chioh'" ;
"'TGB(G)'"
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: RE: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
官話。
Lip-bun
-----Original
Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of 蕭平治
Sent: Thursday, February 14,
2008 9:14 PM
To: Tiunn Hok Chu; Phokgoan Chioh; TGB(G)
Subject: [tgb] Re:
Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Chhiann-mng: Mandarin e hoa-gi an-choann kong? Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiunn Hok Chu"
To: "Phokgoan Chioh" ; "TGB(G)"
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Phpokgoan, Kionghi! Li chite SLL(siaulianlang) u chiahnih chiuchi e sukho kap chengchhai e lunsut. Goa chiok phoehok! …Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese. 2. Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言. Babuza
----- Original Message
From: "Phokgoan Chioh"
To: "TGB(G)" ;
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Babuza isu li ho,
Goa e siunnhoat ma siosiang, 中文-華語 bo hah lichek (理則). Mkoh, goae siunnhoat si, "中文" e mia kinpun toh engkai hui tiau. Si inui ikeng choseng kokche, punte binchiong, simchi haksut siong e gouhoe. Anchoann kong leh? Chhiann khoann Kokche Gibunhak Hoe e gibun hunlui.
Che si 中文. Khi hou lang ho choe "Macrolanguage". Iah chiusi, ekha pauham chinchoe "方言". Soui kithann siannmih Khehgi, Taigi, Kngtanggi, simchi Mandarin long si i e 1 pouhun.
Mkoh susit siong, Mandarin engkai si chite taiho.
Che si Taigi bokcheng e taiho. Kiatko chit 2 chiong long si 中文 e 1 pouhun.
Soui goa jinui, nachun kichai in ka hitchiong gibun ho cho "中文",
simchi koh ka in chhongcho "中語" chitchiong miasu, un si2 e.
Che masi 1 chiong 位階 e 戰爭. Hapcheng koh hapli. Mandarin beh kio siannmih mia, goante si bo goae taichi. Mkoh chitma ikeng hou chinchoe lang gouhoe jinui -- Mandarin si "語言", Taigibun si "方言", soui "方言" tohsi boetang sia lohlai e, jichhiann nachun beh sia ma toh ai iong Hanji… … …
Takke u hoathian bo? Chiae ue bo-e, lan long chaiiann si mtioh. Mkoh chittui "Chhogou E Likai", kap kap chohoe, toh piancho chin phainn kaisoe.
Soui lan itteng ai kiongtiau -- Mandarin msi 中文. Mandarin 並無包含著台文. Mandarin kap Taibun si ti KANG CHITE TENG2-HO7! Taibun kap kithann gibun chhinchhiunn Engbun, Jitbun, longsi GIGIAN, msi HNGGIAN.
Soui, nasi u lang kong goae gigian si 閩南方言, chin phainnse, goa e kong ie gigian masi 北京方言. 無 "中語" e 稱號, hou 人有反思 e 機會 -- "是
anchoann m 叫做中語? 因為中文無語言, 我所講e 語言原來 msi 中文!" Ma hou in kesiok sipkoan "國語" bo iaukin. U chitkang, "國語" e miaho bo ah, chongsi e hoathian -- 原來我講
e 語言竟然無 1e 好聽 e 名! He tohsi PIAI.
Choeau beh kaisoe goa anne kong peng MSI inui goa chiapsiu "一個漢語, 許多方言" 論. Susit siong goa chin siunnbeh phah phoa chite theche. Toh chhinchhiunn 越南語 chincheng ma khi hou lang hun cho "漢語系". Chitma ikeng hun choe 南島語, long si inui 脫漢成功, kionghi!
Chisi lan chin kutng lai long khi ho'ng phah cho 方言. Lan ma ai i chin u lichek e chohoat, ka Mandarin phah cho 方言. Che itchhe long u
kinku.
Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言, inui in 2e kang kipsou3.
Che itchhe longsi Kokche Gibunhak Hoe ka lan kong e.
Bong chhamkho.
Phokgoan, Jigoeh 13, 2008
On Feb 13, 2008 7:01 PM, Babuza
wrote:"中語"si goan Kohiong lang e siunnhoat natiann. 英語-英文; 法語-法文; 德語-德文; 日語-日文…..
--->中語-中文/華語-華文, anne engkai pi chitma e 中文-華語 khah hah
'logic'. Goan ma liaukai chinche lang tui chitkhoan e sukho u bokang e ikian. Babuza
Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoân"
To: "TGB(G)"
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Kokūi chiânpoē ta̍kke hó,
M̄chaiiáⁿ chitmá beh sinchhéng ê bānglō͘ tēmiâ sī beh kiànli̍p
siáⁿmi̍h khoán ê bāngchām leh?
Goá hoathiān "www.taibun.com.tw" iáu bôlâng chiàm. M̄koh
"www.taibun.tw" íkeng hō͘ Kokka Tâioân Bûnha̍k Koán theh lâi khǹg Tâibûn Rômájī chuliāu ah (Úngiân lāusu kám chaiiáⁿ? M̄koh goá siūⁿbeh mn̄g, chitê chām kám khaisí ūnchok ah? Goá se̍h lâi se̍h
khì kantāⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h chi̍ttui "testing")
Ēkha sī chi̍tkoá kap téngbīn gītê khah bô siongkoan ê.
Chóng kóng khílâi sī goá chin ài "Tâibûn" chitê sû. Lán ētàng hoathiān, liûhêng ê sû sī "中文", "台語", "客語". Nātùi kîthaⁿ gíbûn to̍hsī 2 chióng miâ lóng ū (英文, 英語). Só͘í ahpà ê Mandarin súiōng
chiá tiāⁿ kiò lâng "說中文", náchhiūⁿ in kóng chhutchhùi ê lóng sī
bûnchiuⁿ; iōng
Tâigíbûn ánchoáⁿ siá lóng m̄chiâⁿ bûn. Só͘í goá chichhî "Tâibûn", "Hakvùn" ê miâ.
M̄koh, goá bô chichhî "中語" ê miâ (goá tī Tâi-Lô Hoē 2, 3 tang chêng chhutpán lâi thuikóng ê Tâioân Bógú Chhiúchheh khoàⁿtio̍h chitê sû). Sī ánchoáⁿ ùi chi̍t khaisí to̍h bô lâng iōng chitê sû? Inūi hiaê Chinàlâng kiànkok ê sî hoatbêng "中文" chitê sû, in to̍h siattēng chitê sû sī kó͘tián Hànbûn. Gígiân lóng sī "tēhng gígiân", só͘í bô kiòchò 中語. Itti̍t kàu taⁿ, chitê khò kokka chugoân chiâⁿchò koaⁿhong gíbûn ê Mandarin, chèngsek ê miâ lóngsī "國語", "普通話" chitchióng m̄chiâⁿ
miâ ê chhengho͘. Che sī in éngoán ê KHOAT-HĀM; chóng ū chi̍t kang, in ē hoathiān -- in teh kóng ê gígiân, sī BÔ MIÂ ê. Tongjiân nā beh chhengho͘ chitchióng gíbûn, goáê kiàngī sī 北京語/文/方言, a̍hsī goá
katī chitmá siá bûnchiuⁿ lóng súiōng ê "滿漢語/文/方言" (Mandarin, nā kóng 滿文, to̍h m̄tio̍h; èngkai ētàng kóng 滿式漢語, kuikhì kiò 滿漢語, che sī
goá ê siūⁿhoat. Chóngsī Chinàlâng khoàⁿtio̍h "滿漢" to̍h kámkak chin "sóng" èngkai bô siáⁿmi̍h thanghó hoántùi. Lēnggoā nāchún in chhengho͘ lán "閩南方言", ánne in to̍hsī 滿漢方言, 北京方言. Khoàⁿ chênghêng súiōng,
chin hongpiān.)
Kóng kah m̄chai tùi to'ī khì, chin pháiⁿsè. Bóng chhamkhó.
Phokgoân,
Jīgoe̍h 13, 2008
2008/2/13 鄭兒玉牧師 :
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail.
Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e
khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji
Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much
limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni.
Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan
oe-tit-thang eng
e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki:
"taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other idea
I-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn,
TJg
Tann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message -----
From: Iunn Un-gian
To: Tai-gu-bang Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
http://www.taigu.org/index.htm
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
--
IuN Un-gian 楊允言
Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
>
-- 基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！ Lim Chun-iok http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字) http://taigu.fhl.net
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: Lau Seng-hian
Date: 2008-02-16 21:53:21
M̄-kuán án-tsuánn kóng, guá lóng kám-kak Phokgoân ê "滿漢語" tsit-ê huan-i̍k tsin tsán XD
Koh, mā in-ūi tī tsia khuànn-tio̍h "滿漢" tsit-ê sû, guá tsiah thâu-tsi̍t-pái tsim-tsiok
khì siūnn siánn-mih sī "滿漢", í-tsá lóng sī thiann kap īng, bô tsìn tsi̍t-pōo khì hun- thiah i ê ì-sù.
在 2008/2/15，Lim Chun-iok 撰寫： Tai-ke, pengan
Goa the3 bong-jin khi Miami chit-keng iu-siann Seng-keng sin-chheng bian-hui tiam-ji Seng-keng. Chit khai-si chhoe bo "Chinese" toa tioh-kiaN. Ti khah au-bin e sou-chai khoann tioh "Madarin".
Goan-lai kok-che siong long su-iong "Madarin". Kan-ta Tai-oan kong he si "Chinese"
Chuniok
在 2008/2/15，gugarn.giatou 撰寫：
Ti goa iau behiau Lomaji chincheng, chitge kangchhiunn e chhiunntiunn toh kagoa chicheng kong goa konge Pakkiannoe msi hocho Chinese, si kio Mandarin. Goa to iau teh kai chhengkau anchoann sia chitji ji? I toh kong "滿大人" lah, na toh siunn phin!
Chhoa Kimeng
----- Original Message ----- From: "levin"
To: "'蕭平治'" ; "'Tiunn Hok Chu'" ; "'Phokgoan Chioh'" ; "'TGB(G)'"
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Siau lau-su, Goa ma bo sim-mih bat. M-koh tai7-the2-siong7 gi-gian-hak-ka jin-ui "Koann-oe" si Han3-gi2-he7 e chit8-chiong2 gi-gian, chit-chiong gi-gian pun-sin u i ka-ti e "hong-gan". Chit-si kan-na chhoe tioh e-kha e bang-iah, eng-kai e-tang sio chham-kho--chit-e: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AE%98%E8%AF%9D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_%28linguistics%29
Lip-bun
-----Original Message----- From: 蕭平治 [mailto:] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:14 AM To: ; 'Tiunn Hok Chu'; 'Phokgoan Chioh'; 'TGB(G)' Subject: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Lip-bun hiann: to-sia, koh chhiann-mng 1--e, Mandarin chit-khoan ''koann-oe'' si tai-piau to chit-chiong oe. Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "levin"
To: "'蕭平治'" ; "'Tiunn Hok Chu'" ; "'Phokgoan Chioh'" ;
"'TGB(G)'"
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: RE: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
官話。
Lip-bun
-----Original
Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of 蕭平治
Sent: Thursday, February 14,
2008 9:14 PM
To: Tiunn Hok Chu; Phokgoan Chioh; TGB(G)
Subject: [tgb] Re:
Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Chhiann-mng: Mandarin e hoa-gi an-choann kong? Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiunn Hok Chu"
To: "Phokgoan Chioh" ; "TGB(G)"
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Phpokgoan, Kionghi! Li chite SLL(siaulianlang) u chiahnih chiuchi e sukho kap chengchhai e lunsut. Goa chiok phoehok! …Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese. 2. Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言. Babuza
----- Original Message
From: "Phokgoan Chioh"
To: "TGB(G)" ;
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Babuza isu li ho,
Goa e siunnhoat ma siosiang, 中文-華語 bo hah lichek (理則). Mkoh, goae siunnhoat si, "中文" e mia kinpun toh engkai hui tiau. Si inui ikeng choseng kokche, punte binchiong, simchi haksut siong e gouhoe. Anchoann kong leh? Chhiann khoann Kokche Gibunhak Hoe e gibun hunlui.
Che si 中文. Khi hou lang ho choe "Macrolanguage". Iah chiusi, ekha pauham chinchoe "方言". Soui kithann siannmih Khehgi, Taigi, Kngtanggi, simchi Mandarin long si i e 1 pouhun.
Mkoh susit siong, Mandarin engkai si chite taiho.
Che si Taigi bokcheng e taiho. Kiatko chit 2 chiong long si 中文 e 1 pouhun.
Soui goa jinui, nachun kichai in ka hitchiong gibun ho cho "中文",
simchi koh ka in chhongcho "中語" chitchiong miasu, un si2 e.
Che masi 1 chiong 位階 e 戰爭. Hapcheng koh hapli. Mandarin beh kio siannmih mia, goante si bo goae taichi. Mkoh chitma ikeng hou chinchoe lang gouhoe jinui -- Mandarin si "語言", Taigibun si "方言", soui "方言" tohsi boetang sia lohlai e, jichhiann nachun beh sia ma toh ai iong Hanji… … …
Takke u hoathian bo? Chiae ue bo-e, lan long chaiiann si mtioh. Mkoh chittui "Chhogou E Likai", kap kap chohoe, toh piancho chin phainn kaisoe.
Soui lan itteng ai kiongtiau -- Mandarin msi 中文. Mandarin 並無包含著台文. Mandarin kap Taibun si ti KANG CHITE TENG2-HO7! Taibun kap kithann gibun chhinchhiunn Engbun, Jitbun, longsi GIGIAN, msi HNGGIAN.
Soui, nasi u lang kong goae gigian si 閩南方言, chin phainnse, goa e kong ie gigian masi 北京方言. 無 "中語" e 稱號, hou 人有反思 e 機會 -- "是
anchoann m 叫做中語? 因為中文無語言, 我所講e 語言原來 msi 中文!" Ma hou in kesiok sipkoan "國語" bo iaukin. U chitkang, "國語" e miaho bo ah, chongsi e hoathian -- 原來我講
e 語言竟然無 1e 好聽 e 名! He tohsi PIAI.
Choeau beh kaisoe goa anne kong peng MSI inui goa chiapsiu "一個漢語, 許多方言" 論. Susit siong goa chin siunnbeh phah phoa chite theche. Toh chhinchhiunn 越南語 chincheng ma khi hou lang hun cho "漢語系". Chitma ikeng hun choe 南島語, long si inui 脫漢成功, kionghi!
Chisi lan chin kutng lai long khi ho'ng phah cho 方言. Lan ma ai i chin u lichek e chohoat, ka Mandarin phah cho 方言. Che itchhe long u
kinku.
Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言, inui in 2e kang kipsou3.
Che itchhe longsi Kokche Gibunhak Hoe ka lan kong e.
Bong chhamkho.
Phokgoan, Jigoeh 13, 2008
On Feb 13, 2008 7:01 PM, Babuza
wrote:"中語"si goan Kohiong lang e siunnhoat natiann. 英語-英文; 法語-法文; 德語-德文; 日語-日文…..
--->中語-中文/華語-華文, anne engkai pi chitma e 中文-華語 khah hah
'logic'. Goan ma liaukai chinche lang tui chitkhoan e sukho u bokang e ikian. Babuza
Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoân"
To: "TGB(G)"
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Kokūi chiânpoē ta̍kke hó,
M̄chaiiáⁿ chitmá beh sinchhéng ê bānglō͘ tēmiâ sī beh kiànli̍p
siáⁿmi̍h khoán ê bāngchām leh?
Goá hoathiān "www.taibun.com.tw" iáu bôlâng chiàm. M̄koh
"www.taibun.tw" íkeng hō͘ Kokka Tâioân Bûnha̍k Koán theh lâi khǹg Tâibûn Rômájī chuliāu ah (Úngiân lāusu kám chaiiáⁿ? M̄koh goá siūⁿbeh mn̄g, chitê chām kám khaisí ūnchok ah? Goá se̍h lâi se̍h
khì kantāⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h chi̍ttui "testing")
Ēkha sī chi̍tkoá kap téngbīn gītê khah bô siongkoan ê.
Chóng kóng khílâi sī goá chin ài "Tâibûn" chitê sû. Lán ētàng hoathiān, liûhêng ê sû sī "中文", "台語", "客語". Nātùi kîthaⁿ gíbûn to̍hsī 2 chióng miâ lóng ū (英文, 英語). Só͘í ahpà ê Mandarin súiōng
chiá tiāⁿ kiò lâng "說中文", náchhiūⁿ in kóng chhutchhùi ê lóng sī
bûnchiuⁿ; iōng
Tâigíbûn ánchoáⁿ siá lóng m̄chiâⁿ bûn. Só͘í goá chichhî "Tâibûn", "Hakvùn" ê miâ.
M̄koh, goá bô chichhî "中語" ê miâ (goá tī Tâi-Lô Hoē 2, 3 tang chêng chhutpán lâi thuikóng ê Tâioân Bógú Chhiúchheh khoàⁿtio̍h chitê sû). Sī ánchoáⁿ ùi chi̍t khaisí to̍h bô lâng iōng chitê sû? Inūi hiaê Chinàlâng kiànkok ê sî hoatbêng "中文" chitê sû, in to̍h siattēng chitê sû sī kó͘tián Hànbûn. Gígiân lóng sī "tēhng gígiân", só͘í bô kiòchò 中語. Itti̍t kàu taⁿ, chitê khò kokka chugoân chiâⁿchò koaⁿhong gíbûn ê Mandarin, chèngsek ê miâ lóngsī "國語", "普通話" chitchióng m̄chiâⁿ
miâ ê chhengho͘. Che sī in éngoán ê KHOAT-HĀM; chóng ū chi̍t kang, in ē hoathiān -- in teh kóng ê gígiân, sī BÔ MIÂ ê. Tongjiân nā beh chhengho͘ chitchióng gíbûn, goáê kiàngī sī 北京語/文/方言, a̍hsī goá
katī chitmá siá bûnchiuⁿ lóng súiōng ê "滿漢語/文/方言" (Mandarin, nā kóng 滿文, to̍h m̄tio̍h; èngkai ētàng kóng 滿式漢語, kuikhì kiò 滿漢語, che sī
goá ê siūⁿhoat. Chóngsī Chinàlâng khoàⁿtio̍h "滿漢" to̍h kámkak chin "sóng" èngkai bô siáⁿmi̍h thanghó hoántùi. Lēnggoā nāchún in chhengho͘ lán "閩南方言", ánne in to̍hsī 滿漢方言, 北京方言. Khoàⁿ chênghêng súiōng,
chin hongpiān.)
Kóng kah m̄chai tùi to'ī khì, chin pháiⁿsè. Bóng chhamkhó.
Phokgoân,
Jīgoe̍h 13, 2008
2008/2/13 鄭兒玉牧師 :
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail.
Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e
khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji
Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much
limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni.
Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan
oe-tit-thang eng
e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki:
"taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other idea
I-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn,
TJg
Tann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message -----
From: Iunn Un-gian
To: Tai-gu-bang Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
http://www.taigu.org/index.htm
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: 黃文達
Date: 2008-02-18 15:17:14
Kok-ui chian-poe peng-an: Sio-ti i-keng ti tho-lun-khu kah in chian kui-a-kang--lou !Sui-jian long-hui si-kan , m-ku e-tang thau 1-khau-khui ! Bun-tat
** ** ** **Phokgo璽n ** 說： Kokui chianpoe takke ho,
Chin chhubi, kina echai chiah tua teh kong nia, tann masiong ampo toh iong ?剔? kap 銝? e toa panbin lai chha chite bunte. Goa ka bunchiunn liankiat khng ti ekha, hou takke chhio chit-e.
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Bong chhamkho.
Phokgoan, Jigoeh 13, 2008
On Feb 13, 2008 10:28 AM, Phokgo璽n wrote:
Kok贖i chi璽npo? ta?kke h籀,
M?chaii獺??chitm獺 beh sinchh矇ng 礙 b?ngl?? t?mi璽 s蘋 beh ki?nli?p si獺?禦i?h kho獺n 礙 b?ngch?m leh?
Go獺 hoathi?n "www.taibun.com.tw" i獺u b繫l璽ng chi?m. M?koh "www.taibun.tw" 穩keng h?? Kokka T璽io璽n B羶nha?k Ko獺n theh l璽i khg T璽ib羶n R繫m獺j蘋 chuli?u ah (?ngi璽n l?usu k獺m chaii獺?? M?koh go獺 si贖?瘺eh mn?g, chit礙 ch?m k獺m khais穩 贖nchok ah? Go獺 se?h l璽i se?h kh穫 kant???lt;br» kho??篙io?h chi?ttui "testing")
?kha s蘋 chi?tko獺 kap t矇ngb蘋n g蘋t礙 khah b繫 siongkoan 礙.
Ch籀ng k籀ng kh穩l璽i s蘋 go獺 chin ?i "T璽ib羶n" chit礙 s羶. L獺n ?t?ng hoathi?n, li羶h礙ng 礙 s羶 s蘋 "銝剜?", "?啗?", "摰Ｚ?". N?t羅i k簾tha??g穩b羶n to?hs蘋 2 chi籀ng mi璽 l籀ng 贖 (?望?, ?梯?). S籀?穩 ahp? 礙 Mandarin s繳i?ng chi獺 ti???lt;br» ki簷 l璽ng "隤芯葉??#34;, n獺chhi贖??in k籀ng chhutchh羅i 礙 l籀ng s蘋 b羶nchiu?? i?ng T璽ig穩b羶n 獺ncho獺??si獺 l籀ng m?chi璽??b羶n. S籀?穩 go獺 chichh簾 "T璽ib羶n", "Hakv羅n" 礙 mi璽.
M?koh, go獺 b繫 chichh簾 "銝剛?" 礙 mi璽 (go獺 t蘋 T璽i-L繫 Ho? 2, 3 tang ch礙ng chhutp獺n l璽i thuik籀ng 礙 T璽io璽n B籀g繳 Chhi繳chheh kho??篙io?h chit礙 s羶). S蘋 獺ncho獺??羅i chi?t khais穩 to?h b繫 l璽ng i?ng chit礙 s羶? In贖i hia礙 Chin?l璽ng ki?nkok 礙 s簾 hoatb礙ng "銝剜?" chit礙 s羶, in to?h siatt?ng chit礙 s羶 s蘋 k籀?ti獺n H?nb羶n. G穩gi璽n l籀ng s蘋 "t?hng g穩gi璽n", s籀?穩 b繫 ki簷ch簷 銝剛?. Itti?t k?u ta?? chit礙 kh簷 kokka chugo璽n chi璽?盧h簷 koa?瞥ong g穩b羶n 礙 Mandarin, ch癡ngsek 礙 mi璽 l籀ngs蘋 "??", "?桅 店" chitchi籀ng m?chi璽??mi璽 礙 chhengho?. Che s蘋 in 矇ngo獺n 礙 KHOAT-H?M; ch籀ng 贖 chi?t kang, in ? hoathi?n -- in teh k籀ng 礙 g穩gi璽n, s蘋 B? MI? 礙. Tongji璽n n? beh chhengho? chitchi籀ng g穩b羶n, go獺礙 ki?ng蘋 s蘋 ?漪隤????寡?, a?hs蘋 go獺 kat蘋 chitm獺 si獺 b羶nchiu??l籀ng s繳i?ng 礙 "皛踵慰隤????寡?" (Mandarin, n? k籀ng 皛踵?, to?h m?tio?h; 癡ngkai ?t?ng k籀ng 皛踹?瞍Ｚ?, kuikh穫 ki簷 皛踵慰隤? che s蘋 go獺 礙 si贖?瞥oat. Ch籀ngs蘋 Chin?l璽ng kho??篙io?h "皛踵慰" to?h k獺mkak chin "s籀ng" 癡ngkai b繫 si獺?禦i?h thangh籀 ho獺nt羅i. L?nggo? n?ch繳n in chhengho? l獺n "?拙??寡?", 獺nne in to?hs蘋 皛踵慰?寡?, ?漪?寡?. Kho???ch礙ngh礙ng s繳i?ng, chin hongpi?n.)
K籀ng kah m?chai t羅i to'蘋 kh穫, chin ph獺i?窺癡. B籀ng chhamkh籀.
Phokgo璽n, J蘋goe?h 13, 2008
2008/2/13 ?剖??撣?:
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail.
Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni.
Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan oe-tit-thang eng e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki:
"taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other idea
I-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn,
TJg
Tann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message ----- From: Iunn Un-gian To: Tai-gu-bang Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
http://www.taigu.org/index.htm
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
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Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: Kiatgak Lau
Date: 2008-02-19 11:30:41
Voyu kap taike ho,
M̄-kuán án-tsuánn kóng, guá lóng kám-kak Phokgoân ê "滿漢語" tsit-ê huan-i̍k tsin tsán XD
Kam u simmih liiu kong i (phing pat tsiong konghuat) khah lisiong? (tsit e konghuat khansiap tioh Mandarin kap Chinese) Loolat!
Kojin kamkak, pikautik, Pakkiannue (asi Pakaue) ke khah kantan, tshingtsho.
Kiatgak 2008-02-19
On Feb 16, 2008 9:53 PM, Lau Seng-hian wrote:
M̄-kuán án-tsuánn kóng, guá lóng kám-kak Phokgoân ê "滿漢語" tsit-ê huan-i̍k
tsin tsán XD
Koh, mā in-ūi tī tsia khuànn-tio̍h "滿漢" tsit-ê sû, guá tsiah thâu-tsi̍t-pái tsim-tsiok
khì siūnn siánn-mih sī "滿漢", í-tsá lóng sī thiann kap īng, bô tsìn tsi̍t-pōo khì hun- thiah i ê ì-sù.
在 2008/2/15，Lim Chun-iok 撰寫：
Tai-ke, pengan
Goa the3 bong-jin khi Miami chit-keng iu-siann Seng-keng sin-chheng bian-hui tiam-ji Seng-keng. Chit khai-si chhoe bo "Chinese" toa tioh-kiaN. Ti khah au-bin e sou-chai khoann tioh "Madarin".
Goan-lai kok-che siong long su-iong "Madarin". Kan-ta Tai-oan kong he si "Chinese"
Chuniok
在 2008/2/15，gugarn.giatou 撰寫：
Ti goa iau behiau Lomaji chincheng, chitge kangchhiunn e chhiunntiunn toh kagoa chicheng kong goa konge Pakkiannoe msi hocho Chinese, si kio Mandarin. Goa to iau teh kai chhengkau anchoann sia chitji ji? I toh kong "滿大人" lah, na toh siunn phin!
Chhoa Kimeng
----- Original Message ----- From: "levin"
To: "'蕭平治'" ; "'Tiunn Hok Chu'" ; "'Phokgoan Chioh'" ; "'TGB(G)'"
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Siau lau-su, Goa ma bo sim-mih bat. M-koh tai7-the2-siong7 gi-gian-hak-ka jin-ui "Koann-oe" si Han3-gi2-he7 e chit8-chiong2 gi-gian, chit-chiong gi-gian pun-sin u i ka-ti e "hong-gan". Chit-si kan-na chhoe tioh e-kha e bang-iah, eng-kai e-tang sio chham-kho--chit-e: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AE%98%E8%AF%9D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_%28linguistics%29
Lip-bun
-----Original Message----- From: 蕭平治 [mailto:] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:14 AM To: ; 'Tiunn Hok Chu'; 'Phokgoan Chioh'; 'TGB(G)' Subject: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Lip-bun hiann: to-sia, koh chhiann-mng 1--e, Mandarin chit-khoan ''koann-oe'' si tai-piau to chit-chiong oe. Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "levin"
To: "'蕭平治'" ; "'Tiunn Hok Chu'" ; "'Phokgoan Chioh'" ;
"'TGB(G)'"
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: RE: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
官話。
Lip-bun
-----Original
Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of 蕭平治
Sent: Thursday, February 14,
2008 9:14 PM
To: Tiunn Hok Chu; Phokgoan Chioh; TGB(G)
Subject: [tgb] Re:
Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Chhiann-mng: Mandarin e hoa-gi an-choann kong? Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiunn Hok Chu"
To: "Phokgoan Chioh" ; "TGB(G)"
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Phpokgoan, Kionghi! Li chite SLL(siaulianlang) u chiahnih chiuchi e sukho kap chengchhai e lunsut. Goa chiok phoehok! …Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese. 2. Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言. Babuza
----- Original Message
From: "Phokgoan Chioh"
To: "TGB(G)" ;
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Babuza isu li ho,
Goa e siunnhoat ma siosiang, 中文-華語 bo hah lichek (理則). Mkoh, goae siunnhoat si, "中文" e mia kinpun toh engkai hui tiau. Si inui ikeng choseng kokche, punte binchiong, simchi haksut siong e gouhoe. Anchoann kong leh? Chhiann khoann Kokche Gibunhak Hoe e gibun hunlui.
Che si 中文. Khi hou lang ho choe "Macrolanguage". Iah chiusi, ekha pauham chinchoe "方言". Soui kithann siannmih Khehgi, Taigi, Kngtanggi, simchi Mandarin long si i e 1 pouhun.
Mkoh susit siong, Mandarin engkai si chite taiho.
Che si Taigi bokcheng e taiho. Kiatko chit 2 chiong long si 中文 e 1 pouhun.
Soui goa jinui, nachun kichai in ka hitchiong gibun ho cho "中文",
simchi koh ka in chhongcho "中語" chitchiong miasu, un si2 e.
Che masi 1 chiong 位階 e 戰爭. Hapcheng koh hapli. Mandarin beh kio siannmih mia, goante si bo goae taichi. Mkoh chitma ikeng hou chinchoe lang gouhoe jinui -- Mandarin si "語言", Taigibun si "方言", soui "方言" tohsi boetang sia lohlai e, jichhiann nachun beh sia ma toh ai iong Hanji… … …
Takke u hoathian bo? Chiae ue bo-e, lan long chaiiann si mtioh. Mkoh chittui "Chhogou E Likai", kap kap chohoe, toh piancho chin phainn kaisoe.
Soui lan itteng ai kiongtiau -- Mandarin msi 中文. Mandarin 並無包含著台文. Mandarin kap Taibun si ti KANG CHITE TENG2-HO7! Taibun kap kithann gibun chhinchhiunn Engbun, Jitbun, longsi GIGIAN, msi HNGGIAN.
Soui, nasi u lang kong goae gigian si 閩南方言, chin phainnse, goa e kong ie gigian masi 北京方言. 無 "中語" e 稱號, hou 人有反思 e 機會 -- "是
anchoann m 叫做中語? 因為中文無語言, 我所講e 語言原來 msi 中文!" Ma hou in kesiok sipkoan "國語" bo iaukin. U chitkang, "國語" e miaho bo ah, chongsi e hoathian -- 原來我講
e 語言竟然無 1e 好聽 e 名! He tohsi PIAI.
Choeau beh kaisoe goa anne kong peng MSI inui goa chiapsiu "一個漢語, 許多方言" 論. Susit siong goa chin siunnbeh phah phoa chite theche. Toh chhinchhiunn 越南語 chincheng ma khi hou lang hun cho "漢語系". Chitma ikeng hun choe 南島語, long si inui 脫漢成功, kionghi!
Chisi lan chin kutng lai long khi ho'ng phah cho 方言. Lan ma ai i chin u lichek e chohoat, ka Mandarin phah cho 方言. Che itchhe long u
kinku.
Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言, inui in 2e kang kipsou3.
Che itchhe longsi Kokche Gibunhak Hoe ka lan kong e.
Bong chhamkho.
Phokgoan, Jigoeh 13, 2008
On Feb 13, 2008 7:01 PM, Babuza
wrote:"中語"si goan Kohiong lang e siunnhoat natiann. 英語-英文; 法語-法文; 德語-德文; 日語-日文…..
--->中語-中文/華語-華文, anne engkai pi chitma e 中文-華語 khah hah
'logic'. Goan ma liaukai chinche lang tui chitkhoan e sukho u bokang e ikian. Babuza
Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoân"
To: "TGB(G)"
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Kokūi chiânpoē ta̍kke hó,
M̄chaiiáⁿ chitmá beh sinchhéng ê bānglō͘ tēmiâ sī beh kiànli̍p
siáⁿmi̍h khoán ê bāngchām leh?
Goá hoathiān "www.taibun.com.tw" iáu bôlâng chiàm. M̄koh
"www.taibun.tw" íkeng hō͘ Kokka Tâioân Bûnha̍k Koán theh lâi khǹg Tâibûn Rômájī chuliāu ah (Úngiân lāusu kám chaiiáⁿ? M̄koh goá siūⁿbeh mn̄g, chitê chām kám khaisí ūnchok ah? Goá se̍h lâi se̍h
khì kantāⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h chi̍ttui "testing")
Ēkha sī chi̍tkoá kap téngbīn gītê khah bô siongkoan ê.
Chóng kóng khílâi sī goá chin ài "Tâibûn" chitê sû. Lán ētàng hoathiān, liûhêng ê sû sī "中文", "台語", "客語". Nātùi kîthaⁿ gíbûn to̍hsī 2 chióng miâ lóng ū (英文, 英語). Só͘í ahpà ê Mandarin súiōng
chiá tiāⁿ kiò lâng "說中文", náchhiūⁿ in kóng chhutchhùi ê lóng sī
bûnchiuⁿ; iōng
Tâigíbûn ánchoáⁿ siá lóng m̄chiâⁿ bûn. Só͘í goá chichhî "Tâibûn", "Hakvùn" ê miâ.
M̄koh, goá bô chichhî "中語" ê miâ (goá tī Tâi-Lô Hoē 2, 3 tang chêng chhutpán lâi thuikóng ê Tâioân Bógú Chhiúchheh khoàⁿtio̍h chitê sû). Sī ánchoáⁿ ùi chi̍t khaisí to̍h bô lâng iōng chitê sû? Inūi hiaê Chinàlâng kiànkok ê sî hoatbêng "中文" chitê sû, in to̍h siattēng chitê sû sī kó͘tián Hànbûn. Gígiân lóng sī "tēhng gígiân", só͘í bô kiòchò 中語. Itti̍t kàu taⁿ, chitê khò kokka chugoân chiâⁿchò koaⁿhong gíbûn ê Mandarin, chèngsek ê miâ lóngsī "國語", "普通話" chitchióng m̄chiâⁿ
miâ ê chhengho͘. Che sī in éngoán ê KHOAT-HĀM; chóng ū chi̍t kang, in ē hoathiān -- in teh kóng ê gígiân, sī BÔ MIÂ ê. Tongjiân nā beh chhengho͘ chitchióng gíbûn, goáê kiàngī sī 北京語/文/方言, a̍hsī goá
katī chitmá siá bûnchiuⁿ lóng súiōng ê "滿漢語/文/方言" (Mandarin, nā kóng 滿文, to̍h m̄tio̍h; èngkai ētàng kóng 滿式漢語, kuikhì kiò 滿漢語, che sī
goá ê siūⁿhoat. Chóngsī Chinàlâng khoàⁿtio̍h "滿漢" to̍h kámkak chin "sóng" èngkai bô siáⁿmi̍h thanghó hoántùi. Lēnggoā nāchún in chhengho͘ lán "閩南方言", ánne in to̍hsī 滿漢方言, 北京方言. Khoàⁿ chênghêng súiōng,
chin hongpiān.)
Kóng kah m̄chai tùi to'ī khì, chin pháiⁿsè. Bóng chhamkhó.
Phokgoân,
Jīgoe̍h 13, 2008
2008/2/13 鄭兒玉牧師 :
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail.
Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e
khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji
Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much
limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni.
Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan
oe-tit-thang eng
e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki:
"taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other idea
I-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn,
TJg
Tann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message -----
From: Iunn Un-gian
To: Tai-gu-bang Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
http://www.taigu.org/index.htm
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
--
IuN Un-gian 楊允言
Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
>
-- 基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！ Lim Chun-iok http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字)
-- Lau, Seng-hian
～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: Kei TADA
Date: 2008-02-19 12:53:06
Mandarin si koaN-oe, che si Tiong-kok-oe (Chinese, Han-gi) e siong chu-iau e 1 chiong.Tiong-hoa-bin-kok si-ki (1912-1949), sou che-teng e Kok-gi (National language [of China]) si kin-ku KoaN-oe, tek-piat si Pak-kiaN-gi (chu-iau si Han-ji-im) chhong-cho e.Ti Boan-chiu-kok (1932-1945), Mandarin kio cho "Boan-chiu-gi". Sui-jian he m-si chin-chiaN e Boan-chiu-bin-chok e gi-gian.Tiong-hoa Jin-bin kiong-ho-kok si-ki (1949-), ti 1956 ni cho-iu, che-teng sin e piau-chun-gi. Kio-cho Phou-thong-oe. I e teng-gi khah chheng-chho. 1). Han-ji-im chiau Pak-kiaN-gi, 2). Ki-chho hong-gian(eng-kai si kong gi-su) si Pak-hong-hong-gian (Kiong-san-tong kio Mandarin cho Pak-hong-hong-gian. In-ui ti in e cheng-ti lip-tiuN in si kang-lang kap long-bin e cheng-tong, m-si cho koaN e lang e cheng-tong), 3). gi-hoat chiau Hian-tai Peh-oe bun-hak chok-phin. Che si Tiong-kok che-teng e kok-ka gi-gian, sou-i e-sai kio Tiong-kok-gi / China gi (Chinese).Kok-bin-tong liu-bong cheng-hu chah lai Taioan e Mandarin, beh an-choaN kio? Goa siuN Tiong-kok-gi tioh ho.M-ku, goa koh siuN chit-ma e bun-te si, Tai-oan cheng-hu thui-tong "Hoa-gi" e si-chun I e mia beh an-choaN?Goa pun-lai siuN: Taioanlang kong / thui-tong Hoa-gi piau-si in si Han bin-chok m ho. Chit-ma ma u pat-e siuN-hoat. Hoa-gi si Hai-goa e Chinese (Hoa-jin) e gi-gian. Singapore u in e Hoa-gi. Taioan e Hoa-jin (chou-sian si tui China lai e lang) e gi-gian ma e-sai kio cho Hoa-gi (Chinese [Taiwan]).Goa siuN eng-kai ka Tiong-kok-gi tui Taioan koaN-chau. M-ku, bok-cheng m-si chit-e kai-toaN e khoan.Sou-i bin-kan ka kio cho Tiong-kok-gi (Tiong-kok-oe), Cheng-hu ka kio Hoa-gi tioh ho.Tong-jian cheng-hu ka kio Tiong-kok-gi chin ho.Goa bo siuN beh iong Pak-kiaN-oe, ah-si KoaN-oe e mia-chheng. In-ui che si Tiong-kok-oe/Han-gi e-bin e hun-lui.SiuN beh ka kio cho Tiongkok-oe/gi, ah-si Hoa-gi.Taioan m si Tiong-kok/China e chit-pou-hun.TADA Kei
On Feb 19, 2008 12:30 PM, Kiatgak Lau wrote:
Voyu kap taike ho,
M̄-kuán án-tsuánn kóng, guá lóng kám-kak Phokgoân ê "滿漢語" tsit-ê huan-i̍k tsin tsán XD
Kam u simmih liiu kong i (phing pat tsiong konghuat) khah lisiong? (tsit e konghuat khansiap tioh Mandarin kap Chinese) Loolat!
Kojin kamkak, pikautik, Pakkiannue (asi Pakaue) ke khah kantan, tshingtsho.
Kiatgak 2008-02-19
On Feb 16, 2008 9:53 PM, Lau Seng-hian wrote:
M̄-kuán án-tsuánn kóng, guá lóng kám-kak Phokgoân ê "滿漢語" tsit-ê huan-i̍k tsin tsán XD
Koh, mā in-ūi tī tsia khuànn-tio̍h "滿漢" tsit-ê sû, guá tsiah thâu-tsi̍t-pái tsim-tsiok khì siūnn siánn-mih sī "滿漢", í-tsá lóng sī thiann kap īng, bô tsìn tsi̍t-pōo khì hun- thiah i ê ì-sù.
在 2008/2/15，Lim Chun-iok 撰寫：
Tai-ke, pengan
Goa the3 bong-jin khi Miami chit-keng iu-siann Seng-keng sin-chheng bian-hui tiam-ji Seng-keng. Chit khai-si chhoe bo "Chinese" toa tioh-kiaN. Ti khah au-bin e sou-chai khoann tioh "Madarin". Goan-lai kok-che siong long su-iong "Madarin". Kan-ta Tai-oan kong he si "Chinese"
Chuniok
在 2008/2/15，gugarn.giatou 撰寫：
Ti goa iau behiau Lomaji chincheng, chitge kangchhiunn e chhiunntiunn toh kagoa chicheng kong goa konge Pakkiannoe msi hocho Chinese, si kio Mandarin. Goa to iau teh kai chhengkau anchoann sia chitji ji? I toh kong "滿大人" lah, na toh siunn phin!
Chhoa Kimeng
----- Original Message ----- From: "levin" To: "'蕭平治'" ; "'Tiunn Hok Chu'" ; "'Phokgoan Chioh'" ; "'TGB(G)'"
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Siau lau-su, Goa ma bo sim-mih bat. M-koh tai7-the2-siong7 gi-gian-hak-ka jin-ui "Koann-oe" si Han3-gi2-he7 e chit8-chiong2 gi-gian, chit-chiong gi-gian pun-sin u i ka-ti e "hong-gan". Chit-si kan-na chhoe tioh e-kha e bang-iah, eng-kai e-tang sio chham-kho--chit-e: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AE%98%E8%AF%9D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_%28linguistics%29
Lip-bun
-----Original Message----- From: 蕭平治 [mailto:] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:14 AM To: ; 'Tiunn Hok Chu'; 'Phokgoan Chioh'; 'TGB(G)' Subject: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Lip-bun hiann: to-sia, koh chhiann-mng 1--e, Mandarin chit-khoan ''koann-oe'' si tai-piau to chit-chiong oe. Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "levin" To: "'蕭平治'" ; "'Tiunn Hok Chu'" ; "'Phokgoan Chioh'" ; "'TGB(G)'" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: RE: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
官話。
Lip-bun
-----Original Message----- From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of 蕭平治 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:14 PM To: Tiunn Hok Chu; Phokgoan Chioh; TGB(G) Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Chhiann-mng: Mandarin e hoa-gi an-choann kong? Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiunn Hok Chu" To: "Phokgoan Chioh" ; "TGB(G)"
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Phpokgoan, Kionghi! Li chite SLL(siaulianlang) u chiahnih chiuchi e sukho kap chengchhai e lunsut. Goa chiok phoehok! …Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese. 2. Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言. Babuza
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoan Chioh" To: "TGB(G)" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Babuza isu li ho,
Goa e siunnhoat ma siosiang, 中文-華語 bo hah lichek (理則). Mkoh, goae siunnhoat si, "中文" e mia kinpun toh engkai hui tiau. Si inui ikeng choseng kokche, punte binchiong, simchi haksut siong e gouhoe. Anchoann kong leh? Chhiann khoann Kokche Gibunhak Hoe e gibun hunlui.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=zho Che si 中文. Khi hou lang ho choe "Macrolanguage". Iah chiusi, ekha pauham chinchoe "方言". Soui kithann siannmih Khehgi, Taigi, Kngtanggi, simchi Mandarin long si i e 1 pouhun.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=cmn Mkoh susit siong, Mandarin engkai si chite taiho.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=nan Che si Taigi bokcheng e taiho. Kiatko chit 2 chiong long si 中文 e 1 pouhun.
Soui goa jinui, nachun kichai in ka hitchiong gibun ho cho "中文", simchi koh ka in chhongcho "中語" chitchiong miasu, un si2 e.
Che masi 1 chiong 位階 e 戰爭. Hapcheng koh hapli. Mandarin beh kio siannmih mia, goante si bo goae taichi. Mkoh chitma ikeng hou chinchoe lang gouhoe jinui -- Mandarin si "語言", Taigibun si "方言", soui "方言" tohsi boetang sia lohlai e, jichhiann nachun beh sia ma toh ai iong Hanji… … …
Takke u hoathian bo? Chiae ue bo-e, lan long chaiiann si mtioh. Mkoh chittui "Chhogou E Likai", kap kap chohoe, toh piancho chin phainn kaisoe.
Soui lan itteng ai kiongtiau -- Mandarin msi 中文. Mandarin 並無包含著台文. Mandarin kap Taibun si ti KANG CHITE TENG2-HO7! Taibun kap kithann gibun chhinchhiunn Engbun, Jitbun, longsi GIGIAN, msi HNGGIAN.
Soui, nasi u lang kong goae gigian si 閩南方言, chin phainnse, goa e kong ie gigian masi 北京方言. 無 "中語" e 稱號, hou 人有反思 e 機會 -- "是
anchoann m 叫做中語? 因為中文無語言, 我所講e 語言原來 msi 中文!" Ma hou in kesiok sipkoan "國語" bo iaukin. U chitkang, "國語" e miaho bo ah, chongsi e hoathian -- 原來我講 e 語言竟然無 1e 好聽 e 名! He tohsi PIAI.
Choeau beh kaisoe goa anne kong peng MSI inui goa chiapsiu "一個漢語, 許多方言" 論. Susit siong goa chin siunnbeh phah phoa chite theche. Toh chhinchhiunn 越南語 chincheng ma khi hou lang hun cho "漢語系". Chitma ikeng hun choe 南島語, long si inui 脫漢成功, kionghi!
Chisi lan chin kutng lai long khi ho'ng phah cho 方言. Lan ma ai i chin u lichek e chohoat, ka Mandarin phah cho 方言. Che itchhe long u kinku.
Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言, inui in 2e kang kipsou3.
Che itchhe longsi Kokche Gibunhak Hoe ka lan kong e.
Bong chhamkho.
Phokgoan, Jigoeh 13, 2008
On Feb 13, 2008 7:01 PM, Babuza wrote:
"中語"si goan Kohiong lang e siunnhoat natiann. 英語-英文; 法語-法文; 德語-德文; 日語-日文….. --->中語-中文/華語-華文, anne engkai pi chitma e 中文-華語 khah hah 'logic'. Goan ma liaukai chinche lang tui chitkhoan e sukho u bokang e ikian. Babuza
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoân" To: "TGB(G)" Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Kokūi chiânpoē ta̍kke hó,
M̄chaiiáⁿ chitmá beh sinchhéng ê bānglō͘ tēmiâ sī beh kiànli̍p siáⁿmi̍h khoán ê bāngchām leh?
Goá hoathiān "www.taibun.com.tw" iáu bôlâng chiàm. M̄koh "www.taibun.tw" íkeng hō͘ Kokka Tâioân Bûnha̍k Koán theh lâi khǹg Tâibûn Rômájī chuliāu ah (Úngiân lāusu kám chaiiáⁿ? M̄koh goá siūⁿbeh mn̄g, chitê chām kám khaisí ūnchok ah? Goá se̍h lâi se̍h khì kantāⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h chi̍ttui "testing")
Ēkha sī chi̍tkoá kap téngbīn gītê khah bô siongkoan ê.
Chóng kóng khílâi sī goá chin ài "Tâibûn" chitê sû. Lán ētàng hoathiān, liûhêng ê sû sī "中文", "台語", "客語". Nātùi kîthaⁿ gíbûn to̍hsī 2 chióng miâ lóng ū (英文, 英語). Só͘í ahpà ê Mandarin súiōng chiá tiāⁿ kiò lâng "說中文", náchhiūⁿ in kóng chhutchhùi ê lóng sī bûnchiuⁿ; iōng Tâigíbûn ánchoáⁿ siá lóng m̄chiâⁿ bûn. Só͘í goá chichhî "Tâibûn", "Hakvùn" ê miâ.
M̄koh, goá bô chichhî "中語" ê miâ (goá tī Tâi-Lô Hoē 2, 3 tang chêng chhutpán lâi thuikóng ê Tâioân Bógú Chhiúchheh khoàⁿtio̍h chitê sû). Sī ánchoáⁿ ùi chi̍t khaisí to̍h bô lâng iōng chitê sû? Inūi hiaê Chinàlâng kiànkok ê sî hoatbêng "中文" chitê sû, in to̍h siattēng chitê sû sī kó͘tián Hànbûn. Gígiân lóng sī "tēhng gígiân", só͘í bô kiòchò 中語. Itti̍t kàu taⁿ, chitê khò kokka chugoân chiâⁿchò koaⁿhong gíbûn ê Mandarin, chèngsek ê miâ lóngsī "國語", "普通話" chitchióng m̄chiâⁿ miâ ê chhengho͘. Che sī in éngoán ê KHOAT-HĀM; chóng ū chi̍t kang, in ē hoathiān -- in teh kóng ê gígiân, sī BÔ MIÂ ê. Tongjiân nā beh chhengho͘ chitchióng gíbûn, goáê kiàngī sī 北京語/文/方言, a̍hsī goá katī chitmá siá bûnchiuⁿ lóng súiōng ê "滿漢語/文/方言" (Mandarin, nā kóng 滿文, to̍h m̄tio̍h; èngkai ētàng kóng 滿式漢語, kuikhì kiò 滿漢語, che sī goá ê siūⁿhoat. Chóngsī Chinàlâng khoàⁿtio̍h "滿漢" to̍h kámkak chin "sóng" èngkai bô siáⁿmi̍h thanghó hoántùi. Lēnggoā nāchún in chhengho͘ lán "閩南方言", ánne in to̍hsī 滿漢方言, 北京方言. Khoàⁿ chênghêng súiōng, chin hongpiān.)
Kóng kah m̄chai tùi to'ī khì, chin pháiⁿsè. Bóng chhamkhó.
Phokgoân, Jīgoe̍h 13, 2008
2008/2/13 鄭兒玉牧師 :
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail. Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni. Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan oe-tit-thang eng e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki: "taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other ideaI-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn,TJg
Tann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message ----- From: Iunn Un-gian To: Tai-gu-bang Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
http://www.taigu.org/index.htm
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
-- IuN Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
-- 基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！ Lim Chun-iok http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字) http://taigu.fhl.net http://tailo.fhl.net
-- Lau, Seng-hian
～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: Lau Seng-hian
Date: 2008-02-19 23:14:12
Kiatgak,
Guá án-ne kóng tan-sûn sī in-ūi "sim-sik", bô siánn-mih ti̍k-pia̍t ê li-iû neh Orz
In-ūi "滿漢語" tsit-ê sû siang-kuan lióng-ì (Ing-bûn: pun), hōo lâng ū tsiok phong-phài tsiok tshenn-tshau ê kám-kak, kāng-sî-tsūn koh
hōo lâng siūnn-tio̍h Pak-kiann-gí thàu-lām Buán-tsiu kap Mongolian gí-giân ê li̍k-sú, sóo-í kám-kak put-tsí-á sim-sik-sìng.
Voyu
2008/2/19, Kiatgak Lau :
Voyu kap taike ho,
M̄-kuán án-tsuánn kóng, guá lóng kám-kak Phokgoân ê "滿漢語" tsit-ê huan-i̍k tsin tsán XD
Kam u simmih liiu kong i (phing pat tsiong konghuat) khah lisiong? (tsit e konghuat khansiap tioh Mandarin kap Chinese) Loolat!
Kojin kamkak, pikautik, Pakkiannue (asi Pakaue) ke khah kantan, tshingtsho.
Kiatgak 2008-02-19
On Feb 16, 2008 9:53 PM, Lau Seng-hian wrote:
M̄-kuán án-tsuánn kóng, guá lóng kám-kak Phokgoân ê "滿漢語" tsit-ê huan-i̍k
tsin tsán XD
Koh, mā in-ūi tī tsia khuànn-tio̍h "滿漢" tsit-ê sû, guá tsiah thâu-tsi̍t-pái tsim-tsiok
khì siūnn siánn-mih sī "滿漢", í-tsá lóng sī thiann kap īng, bô tsìn tsi̍t-pōo khì hun- thiah i ê ì-sù.
在 2008/2/15，Lim Chun-iok 撰寫：
Tai-ke, pengan
Goa the3 bong-jin khi Miami chit-keng iu-siann Seng-keng sin-chheng bian-hui tiam-ji Seng-keng. Chit khai-si chhoe bo "Chinese" toa tioh-kiaN. Ti khah au-bin e sou-chai khoann tioh "Madarin".
Goan-lai kok-che siong long su-iong "Madarin". Kan-ta Tai-oan kong he si "Chinese"
Chuniok
在 2008/2/15，gugarn.giatou 撰寫：
Ti goa iau behiau Lomaji chincheng, chitge kangchhiunn e chhiunntiunn toh kagoa chicheng kong goa konge Pakkiannoe msi hocho Chinese, si kio Mandarin. Goa to iau teh kai chhengkau anchoann sia chitji ji? I toh kong "滿大人" lah, na toh siunn phin!
Chhoa Kimeng
----- Original Message ----- From: "levin"
To: "'蕭平治'" ; "'Tiunn Hok Chu'" ; "'Phokgoan Chioh'" ; "'TGB(G)'"
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Siau lau-su, Goa ma bo sim-mih bat. M-koh tai7-the2-siong7 gi-gian-hak-ka jin-ui "Koann-oe" si Han3-gi2-he7 e chit8-chiong2 gi-gian, chit-chiong gi-gian pun-sin u i ka-ti e "hong-gan". Chit-si kan-na chhoe tioh e-kha e bang-iah, eng-kai e-tang sio chham-kho--chit-e: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AE%98%E8%AF%9D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_%28linguistics%29
Lip-bun
-----Original Message----- From: 蕭平治 [mailto:] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:14 AM To: ; 'Tiunn Hok Chu'; 'Phokgoan Chioh'; 'TGB(G)' Subject: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Lip-bun hiann: to-sia, koh chhiann-mng 1--e, Mandarin chit-khoan ''koann-oe'' si tai-piau to chit-chiong oe. Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "levin"
To: "'蕭平治'" ; "'Tiunn Hok Chu'" ; "'Phokgoan Chioh'" ;
"'TGB(G)'"
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: RE: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
官話。
Lip-bun
-----Original
Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of 蕭平治
Sent: Thursday, February 14,
2008 9:14 PM
To: Tiunn Hok Chu; Phokgoan Chioh; TGB(G)
Subject: [tgb] Re:
Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Chhiann-mng: Mandarin e hoa-gi an-choann kong? Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiunn Hok Chu"
To: "Phokgoan Chioh" ; "TGB(G)"
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Phpokgoan, Kionghi! Li chite SLL(siaulianlang) u chiahnih chiuchi e sukho kap chengchhai e lunsut. Goa chiok phoehok! …Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese. 2. Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言. Babuza
----- Original Message
From: "Phokgoan Chioh"
To: "TGB(G)" ;
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Babuza isu li ho,
Goa e siunnhoat ma siosiang, 中文-華語 bo hah lichek (理則). Mkoh, goae siunnhoat si, "中文" e mia kinpun toh engkai hui tiau. Si inui ikeng choseng kokche, punte binchiong, simchi haksut siong e gouhoe. Anchoann kong leh? Chhiann khoann Kokche Gibunhak Hoe e gibun hunlui.
Che si 中文. Khi hou lang ho choe "Macrolanguage". Iah chiusi, ekha pauham chinchoe "方言". Soui kithann siannmih Khehgi, Taigi, Kngtanggi, simchi Mandarin long si i e 1 pouhun.
Mkoh susit siong, Mandarin engkai si chite taiho.
Che si Taigi bokcheng e taiho. Kiatko chit 2 chiong long si 中文 e 1 pouhun.
Soui goa jinui, nachun kichai in ka hitchiong gibun ho cho "中文",
simchi koh ka in chhongcho "中語" chitchiong miasu, un si2 e.
Che masi 1 chiong 位階 e 戰爭. Hapcheng koh hapli. Mandarin beh kio siannmih mia, goante si bo goae taichi. Mkoh chitma ikeng hou chinchoe lang gouhoe jinui -- Mandarin si "語言", Taigibun si "方言", soui "方言" tohsi boetang sia lohlai e, jichhiann nachun beh sia ma toh ai iong Hanji… … …
Takke u hoathian bo? Chiae ue bo-e, lan long chaiiann si mtioh. Mkoh chittui "Chhogou E Likai", kap kap chohoe, toh piancho chin phainn kaisoe.
Soui lan itteng ai kiongtiau -- Mandarin msi 中文. Mandarin 並無包含著台文. Mandarin kap Taibun si ti KANG CHITE TENG2-HO7! Taibun kap kithann gibun chhinchhiunn Engbun, Jitbun, longsi GIGIAN, msi HNGGIAN.
Soui, nasi u lang kong goae gigian si 閩南方言, chin phainnse, goa e kong ie gigian masi 北京方言. 無 "中語" e 稱號, hou 人有反思 e 機會 -- "是
anchoann m 叫做中語? 因為中文無語言, 我所講e 語言原來 msi 中文!" Ma hou in kesiok sipkoan "國語" bo iaukin. U chitkang, "國語" e miaho bo ah, chongsi e hoathian -- 原來我講
e 語言竟然無 1e 好聽 e 名! He tohsi PIAI.
Choeau beh kaisoe goa anne kong peng MSI inui goa chiapsiu "一個漢語, 許多方言" 論. Susit siong goa chin siunnbeh phah phoa chite theche. Toh chhinchhiunn 越南語 chincheng ma khi hou lang hun cho "漢語系". Chitma ikeng hun choe 南島語, long si inui 脫漢成功, kionghi!
Chisi lan chin kutng lai long khi ho'ng phah cho 方言. Lan ma ai i chin u lichek e chohoat, ka Mandarin phah cho 方言. Che itchhe long u
kinku.
Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言, inui in 2e kang kipsou3.
Che itchhe longsi Kokche Gibunhak Hoe ka lan kong e.
Bong chhamkho.
Phokgoan, Jigoeh 13, 2008
On Feb 13, 2008 7:01 PM, Babuza
wrote:"中語"si goan Kohiong lang e siunnhoat natiann. 英語-英文; 法語-法文; 德語-德文; 日語-日文…..
--->中語-中文/華語-華文, anne engkai pi chitma e 中文-華語 khah hah
'logic'. Goan ma liaukai chinche lang tui chitkhoan e sukho u bokang e ikian. Babuza
Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoân"
To: "TGB(G)"
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Kokūi chiânpoē ta̍kke hó,
M̄chaiiáⁿ chitmá beh sinchhéng ê bānglō͘ tēmiâ sī beh kiànli̍p
siáⁿmi̍h khoán ê bāngchām leh?
Goá hoathiān "www.taibun.com.tw" iáu bôlâng chiàm. M̄koh
"www.taibun.tw" íkeng hō͘ Kokka Tâioân Bûnha̍k Koán theh lâi khǹg Tâibûn Rômájī chuliāu ah (Úngiân lāusu kám chaiiáⁿ? M̄koh goá siūⁿbeh mn̄g, chitê chām kám khaisí ūnchok ah? Goá se̍h lâi se̍h
khì kantāⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h chi̍ttui "testing")
Ēkha sī chi̍tkoá kap téngbīn gītê khah bô siongkoan ê.
Chóng kóng khílâi sī goá chin ài "Tâibûn" chitê sû. Lán ētàng hoathiān, liûhêng ê sû sī "中文", "台語", "客語". Nātùi kîthaⁿ gíbûn to̍hsī 2 chióng miâ lóng ū (英文, 英語). Só͘í ahpà ê Mandarin súiōng
chiá tiāⁿ kiò lâng "說中文", náchhiūⁿ in kóng chhutchhùi ê lóng sī
bûnchiuⁿ; iōng
Tâigíbûn ánchoáⁿ siá lóng m̄chiâⁿ bûn. Só͘í goá chichhî "Tâibûn", "Hakvùn" ê miâ.
M̄koh, goá bô chichhî "中語" ê miâ (goá tī Tâi-Lô Hoē 2, 3 tang chêng chhutpán lâi thuikóng ê Tâioân Bógú Chhiúchheh khoàⁿtio̍h chitê sû). Sī ánchoáⁿ ùi chi̍t khaisí to̍h bô lâng iōng chitê sû? Inūi hiaê Chinàlâng kiànkok ê sî hoatbêng "中文" chitê sû, in to̍h siattēng chitê sû sī kó͘tián Hànbûn. Gígiân lóng sī "tēhng gígiân", só͘í bô kiòchò 中語. Itti̍t kàu taⁿ, chitê khò kokka chugoân chiâⁿchò koaⁿhong gíbûn ê Mandarin, chèngsek ê miâ lóngsī "國語", "普通話" chitchióng m̄chiâⁿ
miâ ê chhengho͘. Che sī in éngoán ê KHOAT-HĀM; chóng ū chi̍t kang, in ē hoathiān -- in teh kóng ê gígiân, sī BÔ MIÂ ê. Tongjiân nā beh chhengho͘ chitchióng gíbûn, goáê kiàngī sī 北京語/文/方言, a̍hsī goá
katī chitmá siá bûnchiuⁿ lóng súiōng ê "滿漢語/文/方言" (Mandarin, nā kóng 滿文, to̍h m̄tio̍h; èngkai ētàng kóng 滿式漢語, kuikhì kiò 滿漢語, che sī
goá ê siūⁿhoat. Chóngsī Chinàlâng khoàⁿtio̍h "滿漢" to̍h kámkak chin "sóng" èngkai bô siáⁿmi̍h thanghó hoántùi. Lēnggoā nāchún in chhengho͘ lán "閩南方言", ánne in to̍hsī 滿漢方言, 北京方言. Khoàⁿ chênghêng súiōng,
chin hongpiān.)
Kóng kah m̄chai tùi to'ī khì, chin pháiⁿsè. Bóng chhamkhó.
Phokgoân,
Jīgoe̍h 13, 2008
2008/2/13 鄭兒玉牧師 :
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail.
Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e
khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji
Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much
limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni.
Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan
oe-tit-thang eng
e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki:
"taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other idea
I-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn,
TJg
Tann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message -----
From: Iunn Un-gian
To: Tai-gu-bang Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
http://www.taigu.org/index.htm
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
--
IuN Un-gian 楊允言
Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
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-- 基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！ Lim Chun-iok http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字)
-- Lau, Seng-hian
～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～
-- Lau, Seng-hian
～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From:
Date: 2008-02-20 04:24:52
Tada san kap cheng sianpai,
Goa kojin chin chanseng Tada e konghoat, chiusi kio i cho: Tiongkokoe.
Chit ku "Tiongkokoe" chin kantan, bengpek, uhau. Sui thiaN sui chai.
"Boanhangi" suijian chin ho, tansi hiansit e siahoe e Taioanlang bo hoatto sui thiaN sui chai.
Goa ti Taioankauhoe laibin ikeng chin ku long kong: lan kong Taioanoe, in kong Tiongkokoe. Chin sit iong, ho iong.
Bong chhamkho.
Tan Pheksiu
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: Hak-khiam TiuN
Date: 2008-02-20 07:00:44
"Boan-Han-gi" chit e su ki-sit u kong tioh Mandarin u chham-lam tioh Boan-chiu-gi e pou-hun,
u e gian-kiu-chia tioh kong Mandarin si "Creole", c.c. in-ui khah "bo5 sun5", sou-i c.c. Tan Koan-hak chit khoan khah u chu-sin e lang,
tioh chin khoaN-be-khi Mandarin. I e chheh tui Mandarin u chin che khau-se e sou-chai, chin chhu-bi, phi-ju-kong,
u-koa lang jin-ui khng-chih-im chin ho-thiaN, I tioh kong kou-cha Han-gi bo chit-khoan in, chit-lo-im si Boan-chiu-lang in-ui toa-ti pak-hong khah koaN,
kong-oe kong be ho-se, chiah e pin kng-chih, bo tioh-si in-ui in-ui koaN chiu lim siuN che, soa kong teng-taN-khi.
I e chheh Chian-ui u chhut-pan, u ke-tat khoaN.
Hak-khiam
2008/2/19, Lau Seng-hian :
Kiatgak,
Guá án-ne kóng tan-sûn sī in-ūi "sim-sik", bô siánn-mih ti̍k-pia̍t ê li-iû neh Orz
In-ūi "滿漢語" tsit-ê sû siang-kuan lióng-ì (Ing-bûn: pun), hōo lâng ū tsiok phong-phài tsiok tshenn-tshau ê kám-kak, kāng-sî-tsūn koh hōo lâng siūnn-tio̍h Pak-kiann-gí thàu-lām Buán-tsiu kap Mongolian
gí-giân ê li̍k-sú, sóo-í kám-kak put-tsí-á sim-sik-sìng.
Voyu
2008/2/19, Kiatgak Lau :
Voyu kap taike ho,
M̄-kuán án-tsuánn kóng, guá lóng kám-kak Phokgoân ê "滿漢語" tsit-ê huan-i̍k tsin tsán XD
Kam u simmih liiu kong i (phing pat tsiong konghuat) khah lisiong? (tsit e konghuat khansiap tioh Mandarin kap Chinese) Loolat!
Kojin kamkak, pikautik, Pakkiannue (asi Pakaue) ke khah kantan, tshingtsho.
Kiatgak 2008-02-19
On Feb 16, 2008 9:53 PM, Lau Seng-hian wrote:
M̄-kuán án-tsuánn kóng, guá lóng kám-kak Phokgoân ê "滿漢語" tsit-ê huan-i̍k
tsin tsán XD
Koh, mā in-ūi tī tsia khuànn-tio̍h "滿漢" tsit-ê sû, guá tsiah thâu-tsi̍t-pái tsim-tsiok khì siūnn siánn-mih sī "滿漢", í-tsá lóng sī thiann kap īng, bô tsìn tsi̍t-pōo khì hun-
thiah i ê ì-sù.
在 2008/2/15，Lim Chun-iok 撰寫：
Tai-ke, pengan
Goa the3 bong-jin khi Miami chit-keng iu-siann Seng-keng sin-chheng bian-hui tiam-ji Seng-keng.
Chit khai-si chhoe bo "Chinese" toa tioh-kiaN. Ti khah au-bin e sou-chai khoann tioh "Madarin". Goan-lai kok-che siong long su-iong "Madarin". Kan-ta Tai-oan kong he si "Chinese"
Chuniok
在 2008/2/15，gugarn.giatou 撰寫：
Ti goa iau behiau Lomaji chincheng, chitge kangchhiunn e chhiunntiunn toh kagoa chicheng kong goa konge Pakkiannoe msi hocho Chinese, si kio Mandarin. Goa to iau teh kai chhengkau anchoann sia chitji ji? I toh kong "滿大人" lah, na toh siunn phin!
Chhoa Kimeng
----- Original Message ----- From: "levin"
To: "'蕭平治'" ; "'Tiunn Hok Chu'" ; "'Phokgoan Chioh'" ; "'TGB(G)'"
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Siau lau-su, Goa ma bo sim-mih bat. M-koh tai7-the2-siong7 gi-gian-hak-ka jin-ui "Koann-oe" si Han3-gi2-he7 e chit8-chiong2 gi-gian, chit-chiong gi-gian pun-sin u i ka-ti e "hong-gan".
Chit-si kan-na chhoe tioh e-kha e bang-iah, eng-kai e-tang sio chham-kho--chit-e: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AE%98%E8%AF%9D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_%28linguistics%29
Lip-bun
-----Original Message----- From: 蕭平治 [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:14 AM To: ; 'Tiunn Hok Chu'; 'Phokgoan Chioh'; 'TGB(G)'
Subject: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Lip-bun hiann: to-sia, koh chhiann-mng 1--e, Mandarin chit-khoan ''koann-oe'' si tai-piau to chit-chiong oe. Lah-jih ----- Original Message -----
From: "levin"
To: "'蕭平治'" ; "'Tiunn Hok Chu'"
; "'Phokgoan Chioh'" ;
"'TGB(G)'"
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: RE: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
官話。
Lip-bun
-----Original Message----- From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of 蕭平治
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:14 PM To: Tiunn Hok Chu; Phokgoan Chioh; TGB(G) Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Chhiann-mng: Mandarin e hoa-gi an-choann kong? Lah-jih ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tiunn Hok Chu"
To: "Phokgoan Chioh" ; "TGB(G)"
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Phpokgoan, Kionghi! Li chite SLL(siaulianlang) u chiahnih chiuchi e sukho kap chengchhai e lunsut. Goa chiok phoehok! …Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong
gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese. 2. Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言. Babuza
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoan Chioh"
To: "TGB(G)" ;
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Babuza isu li ho,
Goa e siunnhoat ma siosiang, 中文-華語 bo hah lichek (理則). Mkoh, goae
siunnhoat si, "中文" e mia kinpun toh engkai hui tiau. Si inui ikeng choseng kokche, punte binchiong, simchi haksut siong e gouhoe. Anchoann kong leh? Chhiann khoann Kokche Gibunhak Hoe e gibun hunlui.
Che si 中文. Khi hou lang ho choe "Macrolanguage". Iah chiusi, ekha pauham chinchoe "方言". Soui kithann siannmih Khehgi, Taigi, Kngtanggi, simchi Mandarin long si i e 1 pouhun.
Mkoh susit siong, Mandarin engkai si chite taiho.
Che si Taigi bokcheng e taiho. Kiatko chit 2 chiong long si 中文 e 1 pouhun.
Soui goa jinui, nachun kichai in ka hitchiong gibun ho cho "中文",
simchi koh ka in chhongcho "中語" chitchiong miasu, un si2 e.
Che masi 1 chiong 位階 e 戰爭. Hapcheng koh hapli. Mandarin beh kio siannmih mia, goante si bo goae taichi. Mkoh chitma ikeng hou
chinchoe lang gouhoe jinui -- Mandarin si "語言", Taigibun si "方言", soui "方言" tohsi boetang sia lohlai e, jichhiann nachun beh sia ma toh ai iong Hanji… … …
Takke u hoathian bo? Chiae ue bo-e, lan long chaiiann si mtioh. Mkoh chittui "Chhogou E Likai", kap kap chohoe, toh piancho chin phainn kaisoe.
Soui lan itteng ai kiongtiau -- Mandarin msi 中文. Mandarin 並無包含著台文.
Mandarin kap Taibun si ti KANG CHITE TENG2-HO7! Taibun kap kithann gibun chhinchhiunn Engbun, Jitbun, longsi GIGIAN, msi HNGGIAN.
Soui, nasi u lang kong goae gigian si 閩南方言, chin phainnse, goa e
kong ie gigian masi 北京方言. 無 "中語" e 稱號, hou 人有反思 e 機會 -- "是
anchoann m 叫做中語? 因為中文無語言, 我所講e 語言原來 msi 中文!" Ma hou in kesiok sipkoan "國語" bo
iaukin. U chitkang, "國語" e miaho bo ah, chongsi e hoathian -- 原來我講 e 語言竟然無 1e 好聽 e 名! He tohsi PIAI.
Choeau beh kaisoe goa anne kong peng MSI inui goa chiapsiu "一個漢語,
許多方言" 論. Susit siong goa chin siunnbeh phah phoa chite theche. Toh chhinchhiunn 越南語 chincheng ma khi hou lang hun cho "漢語系". Chitma ikeng hun choe 南島語, long si inui 脫漢成功, kionghi!
Chisi lan chin kutng lai long khi ho'ng phah cho 方言. Lan ma ai i chin u lichek e chohoat, ka Mandarin phah cho 方言. Che itchhe long u kinku.
Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言, inui in 2e kang kipsou3.
Che itchhe longsi Kokche Gibunhak Hoe ka lan kong e.
Bong chhamkho.
Phokgoan, Jigoeh 13, 2008
On Feb 13, 2008 7:01 PM, Babuza wrote:
"中語"si goan Kohiong lang e siunnhoat natiann. 英語-英文; 法語-法文; 德語-德文; 日語-日文….. --->中語-中文/華語-華文, anne engkai pi chitma e 中文-華語 khah hah 'logic'.
Goan ma liaukai chinche lang tui chitkhoan e sukho u bokang e ikian. Babuza
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phokgoân"
To: "TGB(G)"
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Kokūi chiânpoē ta̍kke hó,
M̄chaiiáⁿ chitmá beh sinchhéng ê bānglō͘ tēmiâ sī beh kiànli̍p
siáⁿmi̍h khoán ê bāngchām leh?
Goá hoathiān "www.taibun.com.tw" iáu bôlâng chiàm. M̄koh
"www.taibun.tw" íkeng hō͘ Kokka Tâioân Bûnha̍k Koán theh lâi khǹg
Tâibûn Rômájī chuliāu ah (Úngiân lāusu kám chaiiáⁿ? M̄koh goá siūⁿbeh mn̄g, chitê chām kám khaisí ūnchok ah? Goá se̍h lâi se̍h khì kantāⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h chi̍ttui "testing")
Ēkha sī chi̍tkoá kap téngbīn gītê khah bô siongkoan ê.
Chóng kóng khílâi sī goá chin ài "Tâibûn" chitê sû. Lán ētàng hoathiān, liûhêng ê sû sī "中文", "台語", "客語". Nātùi kîthaⁿ gíbûn
to̍hsī 2 chióng miâ lóng ū (英文, 英語). Só͘í ahpà ê Mandarin súiōng chiá tiāⁿ kiò lâng "說中文", náchhiūⁿ in kóng chhutchhùi ê lóng sī bûnchiuⁿ; iōng Tâigíbûn ánchoáⁿ siá lóng m̄chiâⁿ bûn. Só͘í goá chichhî "Tâibûn",
"Hakvùn" ê miâ.
M̄koh, goá bô chichhî "中語" ê miâ (goá tī Tâi-Lô Hoē 2, 3 tang chêng chhutpán lâi thuikóng ê Tâioân Bógú Chhiúchheh khoàⁿtio̍h
chitê sû). Sī ánchoáⁿ ùi chi̍t khaisí to̍h bô lâng iōng chitê sû? Inūi hiaê Chinàlâng kiànkok ê sî hoatbêng "中文" chitê sû, in to̍h siattēng chitê
sû sī kó͘tián Hànbûn. Gígiân lóng sī "tēhng gígiân", só͘í bô kiòchò 中語. Itti̍t kàu taⁿ, chitê khò kokka chugoân chiâⁿchò koaⁿhong gíbûn ê Mandarin, chèngsek ê miâ lóngsī "國語", "普通話" chitchióng m̄chiâⁿ
miâ ê chhengho͘. Che sī in éngoán ê KHOAT-HĀM; chóng ū chi̍t kang, in ē hoathiān -- in teh kóng ê gígiân, sī BÔ MIÂ ê. Tongjiân nā beh chhengho͘ chitchióng gíbûn, goáê kiàngī sī 北京語/文/方言, a̍hsī goá
katī chitmá siá bûnchiuⁿ lóng súiōng ê "滿漢語/文/方言" (Mandarin, nā kóng 滿文, to̍h m̄tio̍h; èngkai ētàng kóng 滿式漢語, kuikhì kiò 滿漢語, che sī
goá ê siūⁿhoat. Chóngsī Chinàlâng khoàⁿtio̍h "滿漢" to̍h kámkak chin "sóng" èngkai bô siáⁿmi̍h thanghó hoántùi. Lēnggoā nāchún in chhengho͘ lán
"閩南方言", ánne in to̍hsī 滿漢方言, 北京方言. Khoàⁿ chênghêng súiōng, chin hongpiān.)
Kóng kah m̄chai tùi to'ī khì, chin pháiⁿsè. Bóng chhamkhó.
Phokgoân, Jīgoe̍h 13, 2008
2008/2/13 鄭兒玉牧師 :
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au
chiah khoann tiohh li e mail.
Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong
Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much
limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni.
Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan oe-tit-thang eng
e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki:
"taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other idea
I-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn,
TJg
Tann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message ----- From: Iunn Un-gian
To: Tai-gu-bang Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
-- IuN Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授
Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
>
-- 基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！ Lim Chun-iok http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字)
http://taigu.fhl.net http://tailo.fhl.net
-- Lau, Seng-hian
～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～
-- Lau, Seng-hian
～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: Kiatgak Lau
Date: 2008-02-20 13:00:23
TADA sang, Tan boksu, kap taike ho,
Chit ku "Tiongkokoe" chin kantan, bengpek, uhau. Sui thiaN sui chai. Susit nachhiunn si tianto: "Tiongkokoe" chit e su5 chin bo bengkhak. Mandarin kap Chinese bo siosiang. Tiongkokoe kai seng si chengti bengsu, m si chin tionglip e konghoat, gigianhakka teng "cmn" lai taipiau Mandarin m si bo toli. (Chhiann chhamkho Phokgoan chincheng e email chuliau.)Bong chhamkho.Kiatgak 2008-02-202008/2/20 :
Tada san kap cheng sianpai,
Goa kojin chin chanseng Tada e konghoat, chiusi kio i cho: Tiongkokoe. Chit ku "Tiongkokoe" chin kantan, bengpek, uhau. Sui thiaN sui chai.
"Boanhangi" suijian chin ho, tansi hiansit e siahoe e Taioanlang bo hoatto sui thiaN sui chai.
Goa ti Taioankauhoe laibin ikeng chin ku long kong: lan kong Taioanoe, in kong Tiongkokoe. Chin sit iong, ho iong.
Bong chhamkho.
Tan Pheksiu
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: Kiatgak Lau
Date: 2008-02-20 13:12:26
Voyu kap taike ho,
In-ūi "滿漢語" tsit-ê sû siang-kuan lióng-ì (Ing-bûn: pun), hōo lâng ū tsiok phong-phài tsiok tshenn-tshau ê kám-kak, kāng-sî-tsūn koh Khingtsin kong, tsiu bunji, "buanhangi" si huanik liau be bai. Mkoh tsiu iham, tsintsiann siunn phongphai, phongphai kah huekoko. Bunte tsin tse, siang kipun--e si ka "Chinese" huan tso "hangi" kam thotong?Bong tshamkho.Kiatgak 2008-02-202008/2/19 Lau Seng-hian :
Kiatgak,
Guá án-ne kóng tan-sûn sī in-ūi "sim-sik", bô siánn-mih ti̍k-pia̍t ê li-iû neh Orz
In-ūi "滿漢語" tsit-ê sû siang-kuan lióng-ì (Ing-bûn: pun), hōo lâng ū tsiok phong-phài tsiok tshenn-tshau ê kám-kak, kāng-sî-tsūn koh hōo lâng siūnn-tio̍h Pak-kiann-gí thàu-lām Buán-tsiu kap Mongolian gí-giân ê li̍k-sú, sóo-í kám-kak put-tsí-á sim-sik-sìng.
Voyu
2008/2/19, Kiatgak Lau :
Voyu kap taike ho,
M̄-kuán án-tsuánn kóng, guá lóng kám-kak Phokgoân ê "滿漢語" tsit-ê huan-i̍k tsin tsán XD
Kam u simmih liiu kong i (phing pat tsiong konghuat) khah lisiong? (tsit e konghuat khansiap tioh Mandarin kap Chinese) Loolat!
Kojin kamkak, pikautik, Pakkiannue (asi Pakaue) ke khah kantan, tshingtsho.
Kiatgak 2008-02-19
On Feb 16, 2008 9:53 PM, Lau Seng-hian wrote:
M̄-kuán án-tsuánn kóng, guá lóng kám-kak Phokgoân ê "滿漢語" tsit-ê huan-i̍k tsin tsán XD
Koh, mā in-ūi tī tsia khuànn-tio̍h "滿漢" tsit-ê sû, guá tsiah thâu-tsi̍t-pái tsim-tsiok khì siūnn siánn-mih sī "滿漢", í-tsá lóng sī thiann kap īng, bô tsìn tsi̍t-pōo khì hun- thiah i ê ì-sù.
在 2008/2/15，Lim Chun-iok 撰寫：
Tai-ke, pengan
Goa the3 bong-jin khi Miami chit-keng iu-siann Seng-keng sin-chheng bian-hui tiam-ji Seng-keng. Chit khai-si chhoe bo "Chinese" toa tioh-kiaN. Ti khah au-bin e sou-chai khoann tioh "Madarin". Goan-lai kok-che siong long su-iong "Madarin". Kan-ta Tai-oan kong he si "Chinese"
Chuniok
在 2008/2/15，gugarn.giatou 撰寫：
Ti goa iau behiau Lomaji chincheng, chitge kangchhiunn e chhiunntiunn toh kagoa chicheng kong goa konge Pakkiannoe msi hocho Chinese, si kio Mandarin. Goa to iau teh kai chhengkau anchoann sia chitji ji? I toh kong "滿大人" lah, na toh siunn phin!
Chhoa Kimeng
----- Original Message ----- From: "levin" To: "'蕭平治'" ; "'Tiunn Hok Chu'" ; "'Phokgoan Chioh'" ; "'TGB(G)'"
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Siau lau-su, Goa ma bo sim-mih bat. M-koh tai7-the2-siong7 gi-gian-hak-ka jin-ui "Koann-oe" si Han3-gi2-he7 e chit8-chiong2 gi-gian, chit-chiong gi-gian pun-sin u i ka-ti e "hong-gan". Chit-si kan-na chhoe tioh e-kha e bang-iah, eng-kai e-tang sio chham-kho--chit-e: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AE%98%E8%AF%9D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_%28linguistics%29
Lip-bun
-----Original Message----- From: 蕭平治 [mailto:] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:14 AM To: ; 'Tiunn Hok Chu'; 'Phokgoan Chioh'; 'TGB(G)' Subject: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Lip-bun hiann: to-sia, koh chhiann-mng 1--e, Mandarin chit-khoan ''koann-oe'' si tai-piau to chit-chiong oe. Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "levin" To: "'蕭平治'" ; "'Tiunn Hok Chu'" ; "'Phokgoan Chioh'" ; "'TGB(G)'" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: RE: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
官話。
Lip-bun
-----Original Message----- From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of 蕭平治 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:14 PM To: Tiunn Hok Chu; Phokgoan Chioh; TGB(G) Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Chhiann-mng: Mandarin e hoa-gi an-choann kong? Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiunn Hok Chu" To: "Phokgoan Chioh" ; "TGB(G)"
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Phpokgoan, Kionghi! Li chite SLL(siaulianlang) u chiahnih chiuchi e sukho kap chengchhai e lunsut. Goa chiok phoehok! …Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese. 2. Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言. Babuza
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoan Chioh" To: "TGB(G)" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Babuza isu li ho,
Goa e siunnhoat ma siosiang, 中文-華語 bo hah lichek (理則). Mkoh, goae siunnhoat si, "中文" e mia kinpun toh engkai hui tiau. Si inui ikeng choseng kokche, punte binchiong, simchi haksut siong e gouhoe. Anchoann kong leh? Chhiann khoann Kokche Gibunhak Hoe e gibun hunlui.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=zho Che si 中文. Khi hou lang ho choe "Macrolanguage". Iah chiusi, ekha pauham chinchoe "方言". Soui kithann siannmih Khehgi, Taigi, Kngtanggi, simchi Mandarin long si i e 1 pouhun.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=cmn Mkoh susit siong, Mandarin engkai si chite taiho.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=nan Che si Taigi bokcheng e taiho. Kiatko chit 2 chiong long si 中文 e 1 pouhun.
Soui goa jinui, nachun kichai in ka hitchiong gibun ho cho "中文", simchi koh ka in chhongcho "中語" chitchiong miasu, un si2 e.
Che masi 1 chiong 位階 e 戰爭. Hapcheng koh hapli. Mandarin beh kio siannmih mia, goante si bo goae taichi. Mkoh chitma ikeng hou chinchoe lang gouhoe jinui -- Mandarin si "語言", Taigibun si "方言", soui "方言" tohsi boetang sia lohlai e, jichhiann nachun beh sia ma toh ai iong Hanji… … …
Takke u hoathian bo? Chiae ue bo-e, lan long chaiiann si mtioh. Mkoh chittui "Chhogou E Likai", kap kap chohoe, toh piancho chin phainn kaisoe.
Soui lan itteng ai kiongtiau -- Mandarin msi 中文. Mandarin 並無包含著台文. Mandarin kap Taibun si ti KANG CHITE TENG2-HO7! Taibun kap kithann gibun chhinchhiunn Engbun, Jitbun, longsi GIGIAN, msi HNGGIAN.
Soui, nasi u lang kong goae gigian si 閩南方言, chin phainnse, goa e kong ie gigian masi 北京方言. 無 "中語" e 稱號, hou 人有反思 e 機會 -- "是
anchoann m 叫做中語? 因為中文無語言, 我所講e 語言原來 msi 中文!" Ma hou in kesiok sipkoan "國語" bo iaukin. U chitkang, "國語" e miaho bo ah, chongsi e hoathian -- 原來我講 e 語言竟然無 1e 好聽 e 名! He tohsi PIAI.
Choeau beh kaisoe goa anne kong peng MSI inui goa chiapsiu "一個漢語, 許多方言" 論. Susit siong goa chin siunnbeh phah phoa chite theche. Toh chhinchhiunn 越南語 chincheng ma khi hou lang hun cho "漢語系". Chitma ikeng hun choe 南島語, long si inui 脫漢成功, kionghi!
Chisi lan chin kutng lai long khi ho'ng phah cho 方言. Lan ma ai i chin u lichek e chohoat, ka Mandarin phah cho 方言. Che itchhe long u kinku.
Soui chong chengli. 1. ROC koannhong gibun si Mandarin msi Chinese
- Mandarin msi 中文. 3. Mandarin msi Chinese. 4. Taiwanese msi Chinese. 5. Taiwanese si 語言 msi 方言. 6. Nachun Taiwanese si 閩南方言, Mandarin masi 北京方言, inui in 2e kang kipsou3.
Che itchhe longsi Kokche Gibunhak Hoe ka lan kong e.
Bong chhamkho.
Phokgoan, Jigoeh 13, 2008
On Feb 13, 2008 7:01 PM, Babuza wrote:
"中語"si goan Kohiong lang e siunnhoat natiann. 英語-英文; 法語-法文; 德語-德文; 日語-日文….. --->中語-中文/華語-華文, anne engkai pi chitma e 中文-華語 khah hah 'logic'. Goan ma liaukai chinche lang tui chitkhoan e sukho u bokang e ikian. Babuza
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phokgoân" To: "TGB(G)" Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
Kokūi chiânpoē ta̍kke hó,
M̄chaiiáⁿ chitmá beh sinchhéng ê bānglō͘ tēmiâ sī beh kiànli̍p siáⁿmi̍h khoán ê bāngchām leh?
Goá hoathiān "www.taibun.com.tw" iáu bôlâng chiàm. M̄koh "www.taibun.tw" íkeng hō͘ Kokka Tâioân Bûnha̍k Koán theh lâi khǹg Tâibûn Rômájī chuliāu ah (Úngiân lāusu kám chaiiáⁿ? M̄koh goá siūⁿbeh mn̄g, chitê chām kám khaisí ūnchok ah? Goá se̍h lâi se̍h khì kantāⁿ khoàⁿtio̍h chi̍ttui "testing")
Ēkha sī chi̍tkoá kap téngbīn gītê khah bô siongkoan ê.
Chóng kóng khílâi sī goá chin ài "Tâibûn" chitê sû. Lán ētàng hoathiān, liûhêng ê sû sī "中文", "台語", "客語". Nātùi kîthaⁿ gíbûn to̍hsī 2 chióng miâ lóng ū (英文, 英語). Só͘í ahpà ê Mandarin súiōng chiá tiāⁿ kiò lâng "說中文", náchhiūⁿ in kóng chhutchhùi ê lóng sī bûnchiuⁿ; iōng Tâigíbûn ánchoáⁿ siá lóng m̄chiâⁿ bûn. Só͘í goá chichhî "Tâibûn", "Hakvùn" ê miâ.
M̄koh, goá bô chichhî "中語" ê miâ (goá tī Tâi-Lô Hoē 2, 3 tang chêng chhutpán lâi thuikóng ê Tâioân Bógú Chhiúchheh khoàⁿtio̍h chitê sû). Sī ánchoáⁿ ùi chi̍t khaisí to̍h bô lâng iōng chitê sû? Inūi hiaê Chinàlâng kiànkok ê sî hoatbêng "中文" chitê sû, in to̍h siattēng chitê sû sī kó͘tián Hànbûn. Gígiân lóng sī "tēhng gígiân", só͘í bô kiòchò 中語. Itti̍t kàu taⁿ, chitê khò kokka chugoân chiâⁿchò koaⁿhong gíbûn ê Mandarin, chèngsek ê miâ lóngsī "國語", "普通話" chitchióng m̄chiâⁿ miâ ê chhengho͘. Che sī in éngoán ê KHOAT-HĀM; chóng ū chi̍t kang, in ē hoathiān -- in teh kóng ê gígiân, sī BÔ MIÂ ê. Tongjiân nā beh chhengho͘ chitchióng gíbûn, goáê kiàngī sī 北京語/文/方言, a̍hsī goá katī chitmá siá bûnchiuⁿ lóng súiōng ê "滿漢語/文/方言" (Mandarin, nā kóng 滿文, to̍h m̄tio̍h; èngkai ētàng kóng 滿式漢語, kuikhì kiò 滿漢語, che sī goá ê siūⁿhoat. Chóngsī Chinàlâng khoàⁿtio̍h "滿漢" to̍h kámkak chin "sóng" èngkai bô siáⁿmi̍h thanghó hoántùi. Lēnggoā nāchún in chhengho͘ lán "閩南方言", ánne in to̍hsī 滿漢方言, 北京方言. Khoàⁿ chênghêng súiōng, chin hongpiān.)
Kóng kah m̄chai tùi to'ī khì, chin pháiⁿsè. Bóng chhamkhó.
Phokgoân, Jīgoe̍h 13, 2008
2008/2/13 鄭兒玉牧師 :
Dear Un-gian Lau-su sin-chhun peng-an,
Khun chitt-chhinn, chiu an-ni boe khun-tit, khui tian-au chiah khoann tiohh li e mail. Goa u khui li teh kong chit-e "Taigu" bang-cham. Chit-e khoann chiah chai-iann bang-cham chu-chhi-jin, ke-kiam u su-iong Lmj, iau-ku nothing new, eng Han-ji teh chhui-heng Tai-gu. An-ni si kap kau-tann e Tai-gu Han-ji Un-tong-phai e sio-siang, i e chiong-lai hoat-tian-seng is very much limited, chhin-chhiunn Chinese conventional culture an-ni. Tann tai-ke na khoann choe iau-kin, goa siunn lan oe-tit-thang eng e-bin e mia koann-kin khi teng-ki: "taigulmj" or "lmjtaigu" or other ideaI-siong ho* tai-ke choe chham-kho.
Koh chitt-pai Sin-chhun peng-an-si, Tai-wan chhut-thau-thinn,TJg
Tann lan e "Domain
----- Original Message ----- From: Iunn Un-gian To: Tai-gu-bang Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [tgb] Tan Koanhak e bangcham
http://www.taigu.org/index.htm
Goa si siuNbeh kong : "taigu" chit-e Domain Name ikeng hou lang chhiuN2 khi a.
I si 1-e chin tekpiat e lang.
Ungian 2.12
-- IuN Un-gian 楊允言 Tai-han Chu-kang-he Chou-li kau-siu大漢資工系助理教授 Tai-tai Chu-kang-he Phok-su hau-soan-jin 台大資工系博士候選人 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw
-- 基本人權：使用母語活出台灣人ê尊嚴！ Lim Chun-iok http://sloan.fhl.net(台語點字) http://taigu.fhl.net http://tailo.fhl.net
-- Lau, Seng-hian
～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～
-- Lau, Seng-hian
～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～
Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Tan Koanhak e bangcham
From: Kei TADA
Date: 2008-02-21 12:37:22
Kiatgak hiaN:Kam-sia li e hoe-eng.Na si chu-jian gi-gian e hun-lui lai kong,Sinitic languages(Han-gi-he/Chi-na gi-he) e-bin u Mandarin(koaN-oe / pak-hng hong-gian). Chinese chit-e su eng-kai si Chi-na-lang/Han-chok/Tiong-kok-lang, ma-si Chi-na-gi, Han-gi, Tiong-kok-gi.Bun-te si, gi-gian hak-ka kana khoaN chu-jian gi-gian, bo hoat-tou ke-soeh gi-gian ti hian-sit sia-hoe siong e su-sit / ah-si su-iong.Tai-piau Tiongkok e hong-gian si Mandarin ah-si ki-tha, che m-si lan tau e tai-chi. Hou Tiongkok-lang koat-teng tioh ho. Su-sit siong Tiong-kok lang si an-ne koat-teng.Gi-gian-hak e seng-lip pi Tiong-kok kok-ka e seng-lip koh khah cha. Chin-cheng bo Tiong-kok-gi, chi-u Tiong-bun. Chin-cheng ti Chi-na chhui-kong e gi-gian chi-u Mandarin, Cantonese, Amoy, Hakka, Siong-hai-oe …Taioan u chit-pou-hun e lang su-iong e Tiong-kok-gi/Hoa-gi/Chi-na-gi si Tiong-kok 1930 ni-tai kin-ku Mandarin che-teng e gi-gian, au-lai Kok-bin-tong tui Tiong-kok koaN-chau e si, chah lai Tai-oan chhui-heng, pek-hai Taioan pun-thou gi-gian.TADA2008/2/20 Kiatgak Lau :
TADA sang, Tan boksu, kap taike ho,
Chit ku "Tiongkokoe" chin kantan, bengpek, uhau. Sui thiaN sui chai.
Susit nachhiunn si tianto: "Tiongkokoe" chit e su5 chin bo bengkhak. Mandarin kap Chinese bo siosiang. Tiongkokoe kai seng si chengti bengsu, m si chin tionglip e konghoat, gigianhakka teng "cmn" lai taipiau Mandarin m si bo toli. (Chhiann chhamkho Phokgoan chincheng e email chuliau.)
Bong chhamkho.
Kiatgak 2008-02-20
2008/2/20 :
Tada san kap cheng sianpai,
Goa kojin chin chanseng Tada e konghoat, chiusi kio i cho: Tiongkokoe. Chit ku "Tiongkokoe" chin kantan, bengpek, uhau. Sui thiaN sui chai.
"Boanhangi" suijian chin ho, tansi hiansit e siahoe e Taioanlang bo hoatto sui thiaN sui chai.
Goa ti Taioankauhoe laibin ikeng chin ku long kong: lan kong Taioanoe, in kong Tiongkokoe. Chin sit iong, ho iong.
Bong chhamkho.
Tan Pheksiu
Re: 2009世界母語日台灣母語競賽順利完成
From: akhioh
Date: 2009-02-24 14:41:31
感謝所有參與者、贊助人、關心e5人….
2009世界母語日台灣母語競賽
北高兩賽區得獎名單： 南區得獎名單：
[台語講故事幼稚園至一年級組] 第一名：陳姿妤(高雄市前金國小附設幼稚園) 第二名：林心萍(高雄市加昌國小) 第三名：張芝與(台南市永福國小) 優等：林念芯(高雄市鳳林國小附設幼稚園) 優等：陳品璇 (台南市立人國小) [台語朗讀國小二至三年級組] 第一名：胡晏綾(高雄縣福誠國小) 第二名：許耘馨(高雄縣大寮國小) 第三名：陳怡吟(雲林縣四湖國小) 優等：陳姿穎(高雄市建國國小) 優等：吳宗諭(雲林縣四湖國小) [台語朗讀國小四至六年級組] 第一名：王柏鈞(台南市永福國小) 第二名：王家彬(高雄縣鳥松國小) 第三名：翁資閔(台南縣新民國小) 優等：陳威錡(屏東縣勝利國小) 優等：施子涵(台南市安順國小)
北區得獎名單：
台語講故事幼稚園至一年級組] 第一名：鄭因茵(秀峰國小附設幼稚園) 第二名：林玳儀(頂埔國小附設幼稚園) 第三名：邱璟倫 (台北市永樂國小) 優等：郭子嘉 (台北縣三光國小) 優等：王均鈴(幼稚園) [台語朗讀國小二至三年級組] 第一名：張妙智(台北縣江翠國小) 第二名：邱 芊 (台北縣三光國小) 第三名：林長毅(台北縣聖心國小) 優等：李翔安(台北縣江翠國小) 優等：張育禎(台北縣聖心國小) [台語朗讀國小四至六年級組] 第一名：呂承諺(台北縣廣福國小) 第二名：馮郁軒(台中市樹義國小) 第三名：張均豪(台北縣三光國小) 優等：吳詩珊(台北縣廣福國小) 優等：高靖雯 (台北縣文林國小)
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Re: [tgb] "眼淚"4/30(拜五) 暗時7點佇三重市二二八和平紀念公園放影
From: Bongpo
Date: 2010-04-28 13:10:53
台語電影"眼淚"4/30(拜五) 暗時7點佇三重市二二八和平紀念公園放送!
現場猶有陳明仁主持座談，
相關網址: http://www.rivegauche.org.tw/index_1.asp?mycampus=1 (三重社區大學)
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