----- Original Message ----- From: levin Cc: tavokan khinhoann Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 5:03 PM Subject: Re: ICRT kap Hinet
Takke ho, Chit-hun siaN-beng, goa chiok siuN beh kong: "Goa oan-choan chan-seng."
M-ko goa bo hoat-tou. Siong tiong-iau e chit-tiam si: Peh-oe-ji kam si sek-tong e "writing system"? 1) An-ne su-eng "hyphen" sit-chai kam-kak ngaih-gioh, ma bo hong-pian. 2) U-e siaN-tiau, Peh-oe-ji iau bo (a-si chin phaiN) chhu-li: 1] è¤åè²èª¿, TLPA eng "9" lai piau-si, nachhin-chhiuNè¤åè²èª¿ kan-na chit-khoan nia, goa ma kam-kak bo sek-tong. M-koh, Peh-oe-ji long bo chhu-li.
("Goa-nih" e "goa" chai goa siuN si "goa7-a2" liam kin e ket-ko. "Eng" si "e-hng"….iau-u hia-e goa-lai-gi, chhin-chhiuN "mai-sin", "sian-se"….)
(Sin-soa kong chit-tiam: TLPA i-keng ka ka-ti teng-ui cho "Phonetic/Phonemic Alphabet"ï¼é³æ¨ï¼, to piau-si i m-si "Writing system" ï¼æå­ï¼. Sou-i goa si kam-kak m-bian siuN koa-sim.)

2] Ang I-jinï¼æ´ªæä»ï¼chin-cha to kong-tioh中é調ãçè¼è²ååè¼è² e hian-siong (ti hit-pun Chu-lip chhut e tho-lun siaN-tiau e chheh) . Goa kam-kak, chia-e hian-siong si chin-sit--e, chi-put-koè¼è² e bun-te bo-tia-tioh pi AngI-jin kong--e koh-khah hok-chap. Goa siuN, Tai-oan-oe e bun-ji khiong-kiaN be-tang bo chhu-li chit-e hian-siong. 3] Iau-koh chit-e hian-siong, ki-sit ma i-king u-lang kong--koe a: chhin-chhiuN teng-chit-toaN e "koh-khah hok-chap" e "koh-khah", Peh-oe-ji peng-siong si-m-si long ka "koh" tong-choe "koh4", ka "khah" tong-choe "khah4"? Na an-ne, pian-tiau i-au eng-kai si "ko2-kha2". M-koh goa an-choa thiaN ma si thiaN choe "ko1-kha1".
(Chit-khoan le chin-che [é¿æ伯æ¸å­è¡¨ç¤ºè®èª¿ä»¥å¾çè²èª¿] : M-koh1; mai-koh1 an-ne lah; khu-leh1 chiah-png; goa kah1 li; soah1 phah-bo--khi; kam u chiah1-ho; hiah1 kang-hu--tioh; li beh1 an-choaN; khah1-su gin-a…. Chia si chit-chiong hian-siong a-si nng-saN-chiong hian-siong [chi-si piau-bin-siong si kang-chit-e hian-siong], goa m chai-iaN.)
Ko-ling gi-gian-hak-ka ai koh ti chit-hong-bin ho-ho-a gian-kiu chiah e-sai--tit. (Na i-king u chit-hong-bin e gian-kiu, chhiaN chiah po hogoa chai. To-sia.)
Na-chun chia-e "words" siaN-tiau e an-ne pian-hoasi in-ui in-e "pun-tiau" ki-sit m-si "4", si leng-goa u lan kau-taN iau m-chai-iaN e "pun-tiau", goa siuN, lan-e bun-ji ma ai cho chit-e chhu-li. (Tong-jian, na-chun in-e "pun-tiau" khak-sit si "4", lan tioh-ai chhoe-chhut i-e kui-chek.) a̍Chia-e bun-te kah hian-siong, chin-cha i-cheng TiuN Ju-hongï¼å¼µè£å®ï¼kau-siu ti "Tai-oan Hong"ï¼å°ç£é¢¨ï¼chit-pun chheh so-the-gi e "writing system", goa si kam-kak to long e-tang chhu-li ah, sui-jian kho-leng ai-koh siu-kai. (TiuN kau-siu au--lai ma u koh ke-siok siu-kai. Ti æ鶴åºççä¸æ¬è«æé裡 e-tang thak--tioh. TiuN kau-siu e chit-e gi-an, TeN kau-siu eng-kai long chai-iaN.) Goa m-chai-iaN si an-choaN chin chio lang kong-khi.a̍ 3) Goa iau u chit-e siuN-hoat, kho-leng chin-chio u-lang e chan-seng (Ki-sit, chap-kui-ni-cheng, goa bat ka TiuN kau-siu kong-koe chit-e siuN-hoat, m-kohi to bo chan-seng): Chi-chio ti Eng-bun, kang-khoan e "spelling" e-tang u bo-kang-khoan e "pronunciations". Lan kam be-eng-tit iong kang-khoan e "spelling" piau-si bo-kang khiuN-khau e "words"? Chai goa siuN, na e-sai an-ne cho, bo-tiaN-tioh e-tang kiam-chio ç°è©åå­(spelling) e cheng-heng.
Chit-tiam, goa kam-kak Peh-oe-ji kho-leng khah-phaiN cho e-kau. ---- Goa siuN beh kong e kan-na chit-tiam: Lan kam be-tang koh kho-lu u-kho-leng koh-khah sek-tong e "writing system"? Sia-hoe seng-pun? Goa m-chai-iaN. M-koh, na-chun ka chit-tho bo sek-tonge "writing system" chhui-kong loh-khi kau-iok the-he i-au, na beh koh kai, hit-e seng-pun kho-leng koh-khah koan. ---- Kho-leng i-siong e bun-te tak-ke cha to tho-lun kah bo ai tho-lun ah.
Na-chun an-ne, si-m-si e-tang ka goa kai-siau kui-phiN-a iu-kkoan e lun-bun khoaN-mai leh? ---- Leng-goa chit-e bun-te: Tai-oan-oe (Hoh-lo-oe) si goa-e bo-gi. M-ko, m-kaN koai pat-lang, goa it-tit long kong be lian-tng (Kho-leng 6-hoe chin-cheng iau m-bat-"ji" e si si goa ui-it Tai-oan-oe kong liau khah ho e si-chun). It-tit siuN beh ka oh-tng--lai, it-tit long bo cho--kau.
Su-siong kah peng-iu khai-kang, kong-tioh koah-a oe-te to chu-jian kai iong Tiong-kok-oe kong, sit-chai chin kian-siau. Ti tian-si a-si la-ji-oh thiaN-tioh e Tai-oan-oe, sim-chi ti tai-pou-hunlang sia e Tai-bun lai-te so-khoaN--tioh e (tong-jian ma pau-koa chit-tiuN poe), bo-lun si "vocabulary" a-si "syntax", goa kam-kak long u ciaN giam-tiong e "Mandarinized" (m-chai e-sai an-ne sia bou) e hian-siong. Goa cai-iaN, gi-gian bo "sun-e" ("pure"). M-ko, u-tang-si-a "ho-un" (chai hian-chu-si lai khoaN, che sit-chai si ai sng-cho "ho-un") thiaN-tioh E-kang m-bat-"ji" e a-kong, a-ma teh kong-oe, to kam-kak he kah su-siong ti tian-si, la-ji-oh thiaN-tioh a-si ti Tai-bun bun-chiuN so-thak-tioh e bo-kang. So-i, goa leh siuN, beh chhui-heng bo-gi ma tioh-ai hok-heng bo-gi, ai ho-ho-a hiong lan khah bo siu-tioh Tiong-kok-oe eng-hiong e a-kong, a-ma oh. (Goa toa Tai-pak, khang-khoe chiaN bo-eng, it-tit siuN beh tng-khi E-kang, kap m-bat-"ji" e hia-e a-kong, a-ma toa tau-tin, kap in oh gi-gian, it-tit cho be-kau. KhoaN-tioh Tai-oan-oe tit-titæ®ç ´ loh-khi, sit-chai ut-chut. U-tang-si-a, chiok siuN beh Tai-pak e thau-lo si-si leh, khi E-kang chng-kha so-chai ku, si-ke chhoe a-kong, a-ma khai-kang, ma bo chit-e chai-tiau. Sit-chai kian-siau!) Goa siuN beh kong e chit-tiam si: Tong-jian ma chan-seng chhui-heng bo-gi, m-koh lan tioh tong-si koaN-kin hok-heng bo-gi. Chai hian-chu-si e cheng-heng, goa sit-chai m-kaN iong goa chit-khoan Tai-oan-oe khi ka e-chit-te.
Chit-e hok-heng e khang-khoe, bo-tiaN-tioh chu-iau ai ui ç°éå·¥ä½ lai cho-khi. Goa hoan-lo e si: su-chu kah kau-chai. ChhiuN goa chit-khoan Tai-oan-oe,a-si pi goa ho bo kau-toe e Tai-oan-oe, na khi "chhui-heng", si m-si chiaN hai? Kau-boe au-chit-te si-m-si e kong: "Tai-oan-oe kah Tiong-kong-oe kam u chha-piat? Chi-put-ko hoat-im bo-kang nia? Bo-kang e words chiaN iu-han?" ---- Tong-jian, m-si kong an-ne to mai chhui-heng ah.
Goa kan-na beh piau-si: lan kho-leng iau u chiok che ki-chho khang-khoe iau-boe cho ho leh. ---- Kui-ni-cheng, goa bat ka TiuN kau-siu e writing systemè®é éï¼ka-ti su-eng. Chit-kui-ni lai, thau-lo bo-eng, chit-e he-tong kap Peh-oe-ji long chin han su-iong a. So-i bin-teng e spelling kho-leng chin-che teng-taN e sou-chai, chhiaN goan-liong. Chak-cho, lou-lat! Djavl Dibburn
bongpo wrote:

KhinhoaN hiaN pengan: 8/1 AM11:00 goa kap TeN kau-siu long e khi tiuN-lo kau-hoe chong2-hoe7 khui bo-gi chhui-heng-ui-oan-hoe e hoe-gi,li kam u chhu-bi beh lai thiaN?

Kia goa gi e siaN-beng chho-an hou li chham-kho.Chit-e siaN-beng khng kui-na le-pai--a,chong2-hoe7 chit-e ui-oan-hoe ui-tioh the2-che3/theng-su e bun-te, ti 8/1 chiah e chiam-tui siaN-beng kap 1-koa su-kang beh an-choaN chhui-heng cho tho-lun( hau-lut chiaN bai!).

PS:Kok-ui bang-lou e hiaN-che pengan:

Hoangeng chiam-tui chit-e siaN-beng lai the-kiong i-kian kap chham-u lian-su. ---Ahui

----- Original Message----- From: tavokan khinhoann Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 12:45 PM Subject: Re: ICRT kap Hinet Ahui:

Goa lang ti Tailam. Li esaikhah 267-6448 iahsi 260-1423 kap goa lianlok. Goa khi Taipak chhamka 1e hoegi. Goa e thaulou iauboeh teng'an. Kholeng ai tan kau 9 goeh chaih e koatteng.

--khinhoaN

----- Original Message ----- From: bongpo Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 10:25 AM Subject: Re: ICRT kap Hinet KhinhoaN hiaN pengan: Li chit-ma ti toh-ui?Taioan? Chit-cham-a tian-nau lian-soaN chhut bun-te,kho-leng u 1-koa phoe goa bo siu--tioh,chhiaN li hou goa chai,li e thau-lou kam khak-teng--a?Beh tng-lai teng7-ki--a-bo?E toa ti siaN-mih sou-chai?

---Ahui

----- Original Message ----- From: tavokan khinhoann Cc: [siokhong](https://web.archive.org/web/20041107113459/mailto: "") Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 9:16 AM Subject: ICRT kap Hinet Takke ho:

Goa siuN beh thiaN ICRT mkoh long chhoe bo, mchai u lang chaiiaN i e phinlut bo? Hinet e server kap SMTP server si kiocho simmih? Siiong Hinet e peng'iu chhiaN po goa chai. Goa hianchusi si iong Hinet lai chiapsoaN mkoh betang suiong khaucho, in'ui goa si iong outlook express, suiau chaiiaN server chiah u hoattou iong hit e khaucho sia-phoe. Goa e ti 8/1 khi Taipak, ti Taipak e peng'iu na u beh kap goa lianlok chiah phah tian'oe lai 2586-3077 goan siomoe hia. Goa siongchio e ti hia thengliu 2 kang.

isiong.

--khinhoaN