Re: nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
Goa m-si chiann-pai e gi-gian hak-chia, chai-bat e chin iu-han. Pai-thok Khin-hoann, Hak-khiam a-si Ui-bun lai kong khah sit-chai. Goa m-kann koh kong lah. Na bo e lau-khui siunn koe-thau….. Babuza
----- Original Message ----- From: ; Hak-khiam ; keith cheng Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
Chiu gia e li-kai, 1) kap 2) si sio-kang. ChhiaN thiaN hukiaN e "ma" e hoatim, khoaN "ma" chinchiaN e hoatim kap li phouthong leh kong e "ma" u siaN bo kang. (chha ti boeliu e "a" u phiNimhoa--bo.) Li na thiaN be chhut hunpiat, etang pang hou pengiu thiaN khoaNmai. > Noam Chomsky kong--koe, > phinn-im si u kap bo e bun-te, > m-si 1-e, 2-e a-si kui-e e bun-te. > U, chiu-si 1-e nia. Lan khoaN Sichong thekiong e Hoatgi e le to chaiiaN: (1) Na msili e likai chhongou, tosi (2) chokchia sia mtioh--khi, bo tosi (3) ehiau kong Hoatgi--e msi lang, kengjian 1 e imchat etang ue u phiNimhoa, ue bo. Loulat. Kiatgak ----- Original Message----- From: Hok-chu ; Hak-khiam ; keith cheng Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
1)Li na kong: POJ e "ma" kap 15im e "baN" piausi Taigi laite kangkhoan e imtat, to kong e thong. 2)Li na kong "ma kap baN e imtat siokang" asi "ma=baN" to bo toli--a. ========================================== Chiu gia e li-kai, 1) kap 2) si sio-kang. M-ku eng kap ing m-si! Noam Chomsky kong--koe, phinn-im si u kap bo e bun-te, m-si 1-e, 2-e a-si kui-e e bun-te. U, chiu-si 1-e nia. Bong chham-kho. Babuza----- Original Message ----- From: ; Hak-khiam ; keith cheng Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
Goa chan-seng Hak-khiam e i-kian. Mchai si choanpou chanseng asi chanseng toh 1 tiam? > Chiu goa thak--koe gi-gian-hak e chheh lai kong, > biN7/mi7; gaN5/nga5; laN7/na7 chit-3-chou kan-ta > si sia-hoat(piau-ki-hoat) bo-kang nia, > in e im-tat si sio-kang e. Anni kong bo siaN chhengchho, taute li si leh tholun hoatim, huho, piaukihoat, susia hethong, asi igi? (Goa siuN li si leh tholun hoatime bunte.) Li na kong: POJ e "ma" kap 15im e "baN" piausi Taigi laite kangkhoan e imtat, to kong e thong. Li na kong "ma kap baN e imtat siokang" asi "ma=baN" to bo toli--a. KhoaN lenggoa 1 e le: TLPA ka "eng" siacho "ing", li ma betang kong "eng/ing imtat siokang" asi "eng=ing", kam msi? Loulat. Kiatgak----- Original Message ----- From: Hok-chu ; ; keith cheng Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
Goa chan-seng Hak-khiam e i-kian. Chiu goa thak--koe gi-gian-hak e chhehlai kong, biN7/mi7; gaN5/nga5; laN7/na7 chit-3-chou kan-ta si sia-hoat(piau-ki-hoat) bo-kang nia, in e im-tat si sio-kang e. Bong chham-kho. Babuza----- Original Message ----- From: Hak-khiam ; 霅撟單祥 ; [Taigu (Taiwanese Net)](https://web.archive.org/web/20051027234344/mailto: "") Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
bi7 biN7 mi7
ga5 gaN5 nga5
la7 laN7 na7Chit 3 e le, kam m-si boe-a hit 2 e thak kang-khoan, kah bo phiN-im e
bo-kang.Kah khng chohoe pikau, bo toli kong aupiah 2 e thak kangkhoan.
Goa si kian-gi tak-ke thak khoaN mai leh.
Goa thak khi-lai si kang-khoan.
Ji-chhiaN boe-a hit 2 e thak khi-lai tioh sng u chha-piat, m-koh in e "i-su"
kam u chha-piat? biN7= mi? laN7=na7 ?
Goa thak khi-lai kang-khoan, ma jin-ui in e i-su si kang-khoan.Hak-khiam
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From: "Hak-khiam" <>
To: "" <>; "?=%-*v"
<>;
"keith cheng" <>; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"
<>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baNGoa kong liau chin thiu-hiong, kho-leng bo ho liau-kai.
Iong le lai kong hoan-se khah chheng-chho.bi7 biN7 mi7
ga5 gaN5 nga5
la7 laN7 na7Chit 3 e le, kam m-si boe-a hit 2 e thak kang-khoan, kah bo phiN-im e
bo-kang.
biN kah mi si kang-khoan e.Hak-khiam
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From: <>
To: Hak-khiam <>; ?=%-*v <>; keith
cheng <>; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) <>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN[b][l][g] kah [m][n][ng] si im-ui pian-the -5&lE\Ei!CChit 2 chou im na
ka
lam cho-hoe Tai-gi e siaN-bo tioh si 15 im, na ka hun-khui tioh u 18 e
siaN-bo."p, ph", "t, th", "k, kh", "ch, chh" si sikan e pianthe. "leng siaNbo"
si
bo
siaNbo.Ka chit 5 e khautiau, Taigi kanna chhun 10 e siaNbo.
[b][l][g] na ti phiN-im un-bo ;s-5C}%@ kah goan-im phiN-hoa un-bo
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tioh e pian-cho [m][n][ng] .Anni si tianto thau kong. KhoaN Sichong thehkiong e le to chaiiaN, "b,
l,
g"
be piancho "m, n, ng"."banc"(i2-liau5 e i3-su3) hoat-im chiap-kin Taigi e "baN"
"long"(tng5 e i-su) hoat-im si "loN"
"gond" (mng5 e au1-liu2) hoat-im si "goN"Susit engkai si Taigi e hoatim si "m-, n-, ng-", u lang ka i siacho
"b-N,
l-N, g-N".Lenggoa, "l" phiNimhoa ma msi "n".
[m][n][ng] na si ti hui phiN-hoa goan-im un-bo kah jip-siaN un-bo
chin-cheng, tioh e pian-cho [b][l][g] .???
"ma" e hoatim be piancho "ba iah baN", "na" ma be piancho "la iah laN",
"ga"
ma be piancho "nga iah gaN".Kijian Chan Kimkim ks u eng gikhi pong--koe, chengau hoatim u khupiat
engkai
si bo siaN bunte.Kan-tan-kong, u bo phiN-im e tioh iong b, l, g, u phiN-im tioh iong m,
n,
ng. Ai chu-i e si c.c. "ma", "nga" au-piah e "a" ki-sit longu phiN-im
"aN",
in-ui si e-tang u-chhek e lan long ka seng-liok.Che si POJ susia Holooe e kuichek (koansi), msi hoatim e kuichek.
Pitkeng
"ma, maN, baN" iausi bo kang e hoatim.ChhiaN chikau.
Kiatgak
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hak-khiam" <>
To: "?=%-*v" <>; ""
<>;
"keith cheng" <>; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"
<>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baNTak-ke ho:
[b][l][g] kah [m][n][ng] si im-ui pian-the -5&lE\Ei!CChit 2 chou im na
ka
lam cho-hoe Tai-gi e siaN-bo tioh si 15 im, na ka hun-khui tioh u 18 e
siaN-bo.[b][l][g] na ti phiN-im un-bo ;s-5C}%@ kah goan-im phiN-hoa un-bo
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tioh e pian-cho [m][n][ng] . biN7= mi7, [b] in-ui au-piah
phiN-im e eng-hiong chu-jian e pian-cho [m].[m][n][ng] na si ti hui phiN-hoa goan-im un-bo kah jip-siaN un-bo
chin-cheng, tioh e pian-cho [b][l][g] .Kan-tan-kong, u bo phiN-im e tioh iong b, l, g,u phiN-im tioh iong m,
n,
ng. Ai chu-i e si c.c. "ma", "nga" au-piah e "a" ki-sit long u phiN-im
"aN",
in-ui si e-tang u-chhek e lan long ka seng-liok.Hak-khiam
----- Original Message -----
From: ?=%-*v <>
To: <>; keith cheng
<>; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baNTak-e pengan:
POJ e siat-ke kan-na u ma na nga ,bo baN laN gaN .
baN laN gaN eng-kaisi ui Sip-ngou-im (Lui-im po-kam )lai--e ,15 im
liu
pian
kiu khi te pho tha cheng jip si ….,long-chong chiah 15 e siaN-bo ,I
ka
b
ke N tong-cho ma,ka l ke N tong-cho na,ka g ke N tong-cho nga .
Lah-jih
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From: ""<>
To: "keith cheng" <>; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"
<>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN1. Gigian e bunte chiaN che long si soantekseng--e (soan 1 hang,
taike
koansi i-au to chiau leh eng).2. Kijian "m-", "n-", "ng-" eng chiah ku--a, ma bo simmih toa bunte,
sitchai
bo pitiau koh siacho "b-N", "l-N", "g-N".3. POJ beh piauchunhoa, bunji sitchai bo pitiau hoaneng khauim e
siokhoa
chengchha.4. Chiau itpoaN e goanchek,isu na bo chengchha kinpun bo pitiau ti
subingi
cho khupiat. (chai lang thak, thiaN u to ho) ChhiuN "tsa" siacho
"cha"
to
ho.5. Kong "ma = baN", "na = laN", "nga = gaN" sitchai u bunte, he si
bo
kangkhoaN e im, betang kong in siosiang (beh to kong in si siooa e
im).6. Taigi sitche e hoatim engkai si "maN", "naN", "ngaN" (kui e
imchat
long
phiNimhoa).Isiong si goa chu-i chit e bunte chiaN ku i-au e chitkoa kiatlun,
chhiaN
taike chhamkho. Ma ngbang na u pian kauchai e lang, mthang hou
thokchia
chhongou e koanliam. Loulat.Kiatgak
----- Original Message -----
From: "keith cheng" <>
To: "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)" <>
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 4:47 PM
Subject: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baNKok-ui hiaN-che:
Khan-siap tioh POJ/TOJ e piau-chun-hoa chit-e issue, u chit-e
bun-te
beh
chheng-kau tai-ke.Chin-che lang(pau-koat choe-kin Hongtin che e LMJ powerpoint
kau-chai),
long
ka "nga/gaN", "na/laN", "ma/baN" sia-cho si kang-khoan. Chit-e
bun-te
chin3-cheng u Hokchu, Lah-jih, Kiat-gak hiaN ia bat the-chhut
i-kian.Chit-khoan "issue" ki-sit ti u "phiN-bo-im" e gi-gian long u,
chhin-chhiuN
Hoat-gi. M-koh Hoat-gi e chit-2-chou, u-e u gi2-i3 e cheng-chha.
Tai-gi
chit-e-chou gi-i kho-leng bo chengchha(?bo khak-teng), m-koh ti
piau-chun-hoa e lip-tiuN iau-ku si ai soan-tek chit-chiong lai
eng.Eng2-pai bat chheng-kau koe Khin-hoaN hiaN, u kong-khi "nga" kap
"gaN",
"na"
kap "laN", "ma" kap "baN" hoat-im siong si bo kang--e. Chha-piat
si
chit-khai-si e hoat-im ui7-ti3 bo kang.
"nga" tui "ng" e ui-ti khai-si. "gaN" tui "g" e ui-ti khai-si,
etc.
Chiau goa e hoat-im, "nga2-khi3" chiah tioh, m-si "gaN2-khi3",
etc.Leng-goa Khin-hoaN hiaN ia u the-khi Chan Kim-kim ks. bat ti
Hawaii
Taihak
eng ki-khi chhek-koe, tek-khak si "nga" m-si "gaN".I-siong
Sichong
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