Achu, Sit-le, lin chit-e tho-lun goa toe bo tioh. Li kong e Chomsky e chheh si to chit pun? Eng-bun mia hou goa. Tan goa liau-kai lin e bun-te chiah lai tho-lun. peng-an, khinhoaN

From: "Hokkchu" Reply-To: "Hokkchu" To: "" , "Hak-khiam" , 霅撟單祥 , "keith cheng" , "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)" Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:41:57 +0800

Goa m-si chiann-pai e gi-gian hak-chia, chai-bat e chin iu-han. Pai-thok Khin-hoann, Hak-khiam a-si Ui-bun lai kong khah sit-chai. Goa m-kann koh kong lah. Na bo e lau-khui siunn koe-thau….. Babuza ----- Original Message ----- From:
To: Hok-chu ; Hak-khiam ; 霅撟單祥 ; keith cheng ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN

Chiu gia e li-kai, 1) kap 2) si sio-kang.

ChhiaN thiaN hukiaN e "ma" e hoatim, khoaN "ma" chinchiaN e hoatim kap li phouthong leh kong e "ma" u siaN bo kang. (chha ti boeliu e "a" u phiNimhoa--bo.) Li na thiaN be chhut hunpiat, etang pang hou pengiu thiaN khoaNmai.

Noam Chomsky kong--koe, phinn-im si u kap bo e bun-te, m-si 1-e, 2-e a-si kui-e e bun-te. U, chiu-si 1-e nia.

Lan khoaN Sichong thekiong e Hoatgi e le to chaiiaN: (1) Na msi li e likai chhongou, tosi (2) chokchia sia mtioh--khi, bo tosi (3) ehiau kong Hoatgi--e msi lang, kengjian 1 e imchat etang ue u phiNimhoa, ue bo.

Loulat.

Kiatgak ----- Original Message ----- From: Hok-chu To: ; Hak-khiam ; 霅撟單祥 ; keith cheng ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN

1)Li na kong: POJ e "ma" kap 15im e "baN" piausi Taigi laite kangkhoan e imtat, to kong e thong. 2)Li na kong "ma kap baN e imtat siokang" asi "ma=baN" to bo toli--a. ========================================== Chiu gia e li-kai, 1) kap 2) si sio-kang. M-ku eng kap ing m-si! Noam Chomsky kong--koe, phinn-im si u kap bo e bun-te, m-si 1-e, 2-e a-si kui-e e bun-te. U, chiu-si 1-e nia. Bong chham-kho. Babuza

----- Original Message ----- From:
To: Hok-chu ; Hak-khiam ; 霅撟單祥 ; keith cheng ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN

Goa chan-seng Hak-khiam e i-kian.

Mchai si choanpou chanseng asi chanseng toh 1 tiam?

Chiu goa thak--koe gi-gian-hak e chheh lai kong, biN7/mi7; gaN5/nga5; laN7/na7 chit-3-chou kan-ta si sia-hoat(piau-ki-hoat) bo-kang nia, in e im-tat si sio-kang e.

Anni kong bo siaN chhengchho, taute li si leh tholun hoatim, huho, piaukihoat, susia hethong, asi igi? (Goa siuN li si leh tholun hoatim e bunte.)

Li na kong: POJ e "ma" kap 15im e "baN" piausi Taigi laite kangkhoan e imtat, to kong e thong.

Li na kong "ma kap baN e imtat siokang" asi "ma=baN" to bo toli--a.

KhoaN lenggoa 1 e le: TLPA ka "eng" siacho "ing", li ma betang kong "eng/ing imtat siokang" asi "eng=ing", kam msi?

Loulat.

Kiatgak ----- Original Message ----- From: Hok-chu To: Hak-khiam ; ; 霅撟單祥 ; keith cheng ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN

Goa chan-seng Hak-khiam e i-kian. Chiu goa thak--koe gi-gian-hak e chheh lai kong, biN7/mi7; gaN5/nga5; laN7/na7 chit-3-chou kan-ta si sia-hoat(piau-ki-hoat) bo-kang nia, in e im-tat si sio-kang e. Bong chham-kho. Babuza

----- Original Message ----- From: Hak-khiam To: ; 霅撟單祥 ; keith cheng ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN

bi7 biN7 mi7 ga5 gaN5 nga5 la7 laN7 na7

Chit 3 e le, kam m-si boe-a hit 2 e thak kang-khoan, kah bo phiN-im e bo-kang.

Kah khng chohoe pikau, bo toli kong aupiah 2 e thak kangkhoan.

Goa si kian-gi tak-ke thak khoaN mai leh. Goa thak khi-lai si kang-khoan. Ji-chhiaN boe-a hit 2 e thak khi-lai tioh sng u chha-piat, m-koh in e "i-su" kam u chha-piat? biN7= mi ? laN7=na7 ? Goa thak khi-lai kang-khoan, ma jin-ui in e i-su si kang-khoan.

Hak-khiam

----- Original Message ----- From: "Hak-khiam" To: "" ; "?=%-*v" ; "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"

Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN

Goa kong liau chin thiu-hiong, kho-leng bo ho liau-kai. Iong le lai kong hoan-se khah chheng-chho.

bi7 biN7 mi7 ga5 gaN5 nga5 la7 laN7 na7

Chit 3 e le, kam m-si boe-a hit 2 e thak kang-khoan, kah bo phiN-im e bo-kang. biN kah mi si kang-khoan e.

Hak-khiam

----- Original Message ----- From:
To: Hak-khiam ; ?=%-*v ; keith cheng ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN

[b][l][g] kah [m][n][ng] si im-ui pian-the -5&lE\Ei!CChit 2 chou im na ka lam cho-hoe Tai-gi e siaN-bo tioh si 15 im, na ka hun-khui tioh u 18 e siaN-bo.

"p, ph", "t, th", "k, kh", "ch, chh" si sikan e pianthe. "leng siaNbo" si bo siaNbo.

Ka chit 5 e khautiau, Taigi kanna chhun 10 e siaNbo.

[b][l][g] na ti phiN-im un-bo ;s-5C}%@ kah goan-im phiN-hoa un-bo $8-5;s$F C} tioh e pian-cho [m][n][ng] .

Anni si tianto thau kong. KhoaN Sichong thehkiong e le to chaiiaN, "b, l, g" be piancho "m, n, ng".

"banc"(i2-liau5 e i3-su3) hoat-im chiap-kin Taigi e "baN" "long"(tng5 e i-su) hoat-im si "loN" "gond" (mng5 e au1-liu2) hoat-im si "goN"

Susit engkai si Taigi e hoatim si "m-, n-, ng-", u lang ka i siacho "b-N, l-N, g-N".

Lenggoa, "l" phiNimhoa ma msi "n".

[m][n][ng] na si ti hui phiN-hoa goan-im un-bo kah jip-siaN un-bo chin-cheng, tioh e pian-cho [b][l][g] .

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"ma" e hoatim be piancho "ba iah baN", "na" ma be piancho "la iah laN", "ga" ma be piancho "nga iah gaN".

Kijian Chan Kimkim ks u eng gikhi pong--koe, chengau hoatim u khupiat engkai si bo siaN bunte.

Kan-tan-kong, u bo phiN-im e tioh iong b, l, g, u phiN-im tioh iong m, n, ng. Ai chu-i e si c.c. "ma", "nga" au-piah e "a" ki-sit long u phiN-im "aN", in-ui si e-tang u-chhek e lan long ka seng-liok.

Che si POJ susia Holooe e kuichek (koansi), msi hoatim e kuichek. Pitkeng "ma, maN, baN" iausi bo kang e hoatim.

ChhiaN chikau.

Kiatgak

----- Original Message ----- From: "Hak-khiam" To: "?=%-*v" ; "" ; "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"

Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN

Tak-ke ho:

[b][l][g] kah [m][n][ng] si im-ui pian-the -5&lE\Ei!CChit 2 chou im na ka lam cho-hoe Tai-gi e siaN-bo tioh si 15 im, na ka hun-khui tioh u 18 e siaN-bo.

[b][l][g] na ti phiN-im un-bo ;s-5C}%@ kah goan-im phiN-hoa un-bo $8-5;s$FC} tioh e pian-cho [m][n][ng] . biN7= mi7, [b] in-ui au-piah phiN-im e eng-hiong chu-jian e pian-cho [m].

[m][n][ng] na si ti hui phiN-hoa goan-im un-bo kah jip-siaN un-bo chin-cheng, tioh e pian-cho [b][l][g] .

Kan-tan-kong, u bo phiN-im e tioh iong b, l, g, u phiN-im tioh iong m, n, ng. Ai chu-i e si c.c. "ma", "nga" au-piah e "a" ki-sit long u phiN-im "aN", in-ui si e-tang u-chhek e lan long ka seng-liok.

Hak-khiam

----- Original Message ----- From: ?=%-*v To: ; keith cheng ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN

Tak-e pengan: POJ e siat-ke kan-na u ma na nga ,bo baN laN gaN . baN laN gaN eng-kai si ui Sip-ngou-im (Lui-im po-kam )lai--e ,15 im liu pian kiu khi te pho tha cheng jip si ….,long-chong chiah 15 e siaN-bo ,I ka b ke N tong-cho ma,ka l ke N tong-cho na,ka g ke N tong-cho nga . Lah-jih ----- Original Message ----- From: "" To: "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"

Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN

1. Gigian e bunte chiaN che long si soantekseng--e (soan 1 hang, taike koansi i-au to chiau leh eng).

2. Kijian "m-", "n-", "ng-" eng chiah ku--a, ma bo simmih toa bunte, sitchai bo pitiau koh siacho "b-N", "l-N", "g-N".

3. POJ beh piauchunhoa, bunji sitchai bo pitiau hoaneng khauim e siokhoa chengchha.

4. Chiau itpoaN e goanchek, isu na bo chengchha kinpun bo pitiau ti subingi cho khupiat. (chai lang thak, thiaN u to ho) ChhiuN "tsa" siacho "cha" to ho.

5. Kong "ma = baN", "na = laN", "nga = gaN" sitchai u bunte, he si bo kangkhoaN e im, betang kong in siosiang (beh to kong in si siooa e im).

6. Taigi sitche e hoatim engkai si "maN", "naN", "ngaN" (kui e imchat long phiNimhoa).

Isiong si goa chu-i chit e bunte chiaN ku i-au e chitkoa kiatlun, chhiaN taike chhamkho. Ma ngbang na u pian kauchai e lang, mthang hou thokchia chhongou e koanliam. Loulat.

Kiatgak

----- Original Message ----- From: "keith cheng" To: "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 4:47 PM Subject: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN

Kok-ui hiaN-che:

Khan-siap tioh POJ/TOJ e piau-chun-hoa chit-e issue, u chit-e bun-te beh chheng-kau tai-ke.

Chin-che lang(pau-koat choe-kin Hongtin che e LMJ powerpoint kau-chai), long ka "nga/gaN", "na/laN", "ma/baN" sia-cho si kang-khoan. Chit-e bun-te chin3-cheng u Hokchu, Lah-jih, Kiat-gak hiaN ia bat the-chhut i-kian.

Chit-khoan "issue" ki-sit ti u "phiN-bo-im" e gi-gian long u, chhin-chhiuN Hoat-gi. M-koh Hoat-gi e chit-2-chou, u-e u gi2-i3 e cheng-chha. Tai-gi chit-e-chou gi-i kho-leng bo chengchha(?bo khak-teng), m-koh ti piau-chun-hoa e lip-tiuN iau-ku si ai soan-tek chit-chiong lai eng.

Eng2-pai bat chheng-kau koe Khin-hoaN hiaN, u kong-khi "nga" kap "gaN", "na" kap "laN", "ma" kap "baN" hoat-im siong si bo kang--e. Chha-piat si chit-khai-si e hoat-im ui7-ti3 bo kang. "nga" tui "ng" e ui-ti khai-si. "gaN" tui "g" e ui-ti khai-si, etc. Chiau goa e hoat-im, "nga2-khi3" chiah tioh, m-si "gaN2-khi3", etc.

Leng-goa Khin-hoaN hiaN ia u the-khi Chan Kim-kim ks. bat ti Hawaii Taihak eng ki-khi chhek-koe, tek-khak si "nga" m-si "gaN".

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