TLPA kam u su-jip nng-the? (Re: [TGB] Sin chheh chhut pan: POJ vs. TLPA)

2002-07-01
Tak-ke ho:
TLPA it-tit kong POJ bo hah chu-sin si-tai.
POJ e su-jip-hoat u kui-a-tho, m-koh TLPA e su-jip-hoat kai-seng iau bo
khoaN tioh.

Hak-khiam




----- Original Message -----
From: "" 
To: "Tojhokchu" ; "ungian,pchome"
; "keith cheng" 
Cc: "Hak-khiam" ; 
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 2:19 PM
Subject: kiongsek (Re: [TGB] Sin chheh chhut pan: POJ vs. TLPA)


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tojhokchu" 
> To: "ungian,pchome" ; "keith cheng"
> 
> Cc: "Hak-khiam" ; ;
> "" 
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 9:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [TGB] Sin chheh chhut pan: POJ vs. TLPA
>
>
> > Tai-ke CTT!
> > 1.Tioh!
> > 2.TTS e cho-lang goa sit-chai bo liau-kai,
> > sui-bong i bat ti Tai-oan Bun-hoa Hak-inn
> > ka goa ka3-koe Han-gi Im-un-hak(1994)!
> > Na-si cheng-keng chiah-nih ok-chit
> > (kong chit-khoan, cho leng-goa chit-khoan),
>
> Tang Tiongsi kausiu cholang anchoann goa ma bo liaukai. Mkoh goa iausi
> kiangi ai chiamtui taichi lai tholun, taute i u simmih chohoat bo
> sektong--e? Etang peh choa ou ji ka sia--lohlai, theh chhutlai kongkhai
> tholun.
>
> Chhiunn chit pai "hiongthou gigian kauhak chioan jinoan" e kanggi, te 3
iah
> iukoh leh kong "Kauiokpou kongko e 'Taioan Banlamgi Imphiau Hethong' ...",
> bengbeng cha to thiatsiau e mihkiann, 2002 ni koh theh lai kong, chit
chiong
> uihoan susit e konghoat chiann bo sektong, e haisi Taigi.
>
> Siong ho mthang chiamtui lang lai tholun, anni khiongkiann bunte e ju kong
> ju hoe, tui Taigi kohoah bo simmih pangchan.
>
> > lan u pit-iau chhoe-chhut chit-e kiong-sek lai cho guide.
>
> Kianlip kiongsek si punchiann tiohai cho e taichi, kap Tang Tiongsi kausiu
e
> chohoat engkai bo titai.
>
> Goa e kiangi si:
>
> (a) Khaklip "Taigi Kohoah" e goanchek.
>
> (b) Chiamtui TLPA e bunte lai kong,
> 1. khaklip POJ e bunji teui (liansu, iusoeh, sia bunchiunn, ...)
> 2. khakjim TLPA e iongtou si imphiau
> 3. Taigi Kohoah si ai phouphian Taigi bunji e suiong
> 4. POJ kap TLPA kijian iongtou bo siokang, to bo engkai theh lai pikau,
> logic be thong, ma bo pitiau
>
> (c) Chiamtui Taigi imphiau e bunte lai kong,
> 1. Taioanlang bogi igoa, u kholeng oh choan sekai kok chiong gigian
(pauham
> Pakkianngi, Enggi, ....)
> 2. lan suiau 1 tho chinchiann "thongiong" e imphiau, etang piautat kok
> chiong gigian e hoatim, anni haksip e hutam chiah e siong ke, hauko chiah
e
> siong koan
> 3. bokchian kantann IPA huhap chit e iaukiu
> 4. TLPA kantann sekhap Taioan bogi, kongleng bo kau
> 5. Thongiong uihoan giimhak e kipun siatke, huho chholoan, bo kaukeh
chiann
> cho 1 e imphiau hethong e kholu "hongan"
>
> Isiong (a), (b), (c) simsi u kholeng chiann cho "kiongsek"? Chhiann
> chhamkho.
>
> Kiatgak
>
>
> > 3.Hak-khiam kin-a-jit ti KTH khui-hoe,
> > u sim-mih kiat-lun/hoat-tian bo?
> > Babuza
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ungian,pchome 
> > To: keith cheng 
> > Cc: Hak-khiam ; ;

> > 
> > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: [TGB] Sin chheh chhut pan: POJ vs. TLPA
> >
> >
> > > Takke ho :
> > >
> > > Goa si kamkah kuiNmng khui GTH si kiaN boe thong e. Chichio chhiuN
> > > TangTiongsi chitkhoanlang, ti li bin cheng si 1 tho, ti li aupiah koh
si
> > > lenggoa 1 tho, nasi kah chitkhoan lang kongoe kam u louiong ?
> > > JichhiaN lan simlai ma chai, na kasu hiah e lang hiahni ho kongoe,
> > > Taigubun boe bu kau chite khamcham.
> > >
> > > Tongjian lan tui TLPA iahsi Thongiong, lan kaki iahbo 1 e bengkhak
> > > e kiongsek, soui iha goa kanna kong goa kojin e siuNhoat.
> > >
> > > (1) Huho beh annoa soantek , si esai tholun e, bo 100% oanbi e
> > > huho, soui beh kong chittho huho u goa bai chin kantan, mkoh
> > > che ma boetang chengbeng lenggoa 1 tho to bo buntoe.
> > >
> > > (2) Kasu huho kengcheng e ketheng, si iong bo chengtong e
> > > chhiu-oan, simchi si beh ka tuihong ah loh toe (chhiuN chitma
> > > Tangtiongsi tui POJ e kongkek ), lan sitchai bo engkai tiN
> > > tiamtiam. Chhui kong e kholeng msi ho panhoat, lang iong
> > > sia e , pehchoa sia ouji, lan ma ai pehchoa sia ouji chiah
> > > u louiong.
> > >
> > > Goa kojin e kamkah si, chitma Thongiong (goa kojin jimui bo
> > > kahsek itsek e buntoe, thongiong kana 1 chiong) khoaNtioh
> > > TLPA chhiuN chiahchoe chugoan, soui in ka TLPA tongchoe
> > > tekjin. TLPA si ka POJ tongchoe tekjin (tongjian che msi kong
> > > souu chhaiiong TLPA e lang long anne, chisi bo piausi ikian
> > > e lang bo siaNim, u hoatsiaN e chuiau longsi tih kongkek
> > > POJ) si inui in kamkah POJ e chunchai e ittit uihiap TLPA
> > > "chengthong" e te-ui.
> > >
> > > Ungian 2002.6.28
> > >
> > > Ti Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:31:41 +0800 e si-chun
> > > keith cheng  sia i-ha e loe-iong :
> > >
> > > > Kok-ui hiaN-che:
> > > >
> > > > KhoaN Kiatgak hiaN tui Tang TS e bun-toaN7 an-ne jin-chin phe-pheng,
> goa
> > ia u koa kam-siong.
> > > > Khi2-thau5 khoaN-tioh chit-phiN chin hoe2 toa7. Beh sia phe-pheng,
koh
> > siuN-kong long-hui si-kan, beh
> > > > kong--e, cha2 tioh kong-liau--ah.
> > > >
> > > > Koh leng-goa, TLPA si liong-seng e keng-cheng-chia (in teh thui-sak
> > Tai-gi chin-chiaN si chhut-lat, sui-
> > > > bong kong in ka7 ko3-jin5 e li-ek he ti Tai-gi e li-ek lai-bin),
a-si
> > tek-jin (chiau in an-ne bu, e ka Tai-gi bu2--
> > > > si2) chit-e bun-te, na-chhiuN iau-ku ti lan bang--nih bo it-ti e
> > siuN-hoat.
> > > >
> > > > Chio-eng Tai-tok Thoan-the choe-kin kui-tang e hoan2-seng kap
> kiam-tho,
> > u 1-e tiong-iau e kiat-lun.
> > > > Tai-tok e lang phiaN-se ti kang7-khou-a lai e lang, keng2-chhut in e
> > mou5-peN, tiam-chhut in bo-
> > > > sun5 e sou-chai, phah hou in "giat-auh8 chhia-pun3-tau2". Kiat-ko
> > tek-jin ju lai ju che, tong-chi lu lai lu chio.
> > > > Un-tong na cho, lang na chio.
> > > >
> > > > Tai-gi-bun un-tong kam ia si an-ne?
> > > > TLPA ok-chit e sou-chai u, bo hak-sut liong-sim (ethics) e sou-chai
u,
> > Chi-na mentality u,........ Bai sou-chai
> > > > 10 ki chng2-thau5 sng be liau.
> > > > M-koh in kam u teh phah-piaN beh hou Tai-gi koh oah-khi-lai?
> > > > Chit-e bun-te siong-tong tiong-iau.
> > > > Na u, goa jin-ui bo su-iau ka in tong-cho tek-jin.
> > > > Na bo, thai5 hou si!
> > > >
> > > > Put-koan an-choaN, TLPA an-choaN au3, chong-si ai hou hiah-e lang
> chai.
> > Goa kian-gi lan kam u kho-
> > > > leng thau-koe koan-to lai kap in khui gian-tho-hoe, cho pian-lun
> (phi-ju
> > kio Tai-lian e lip-ui khui koaiN-mng
> > > > e gian-tho-hoe, bo tui-goa kong-khai hit-khoan), beh thai tiam
> pang-keng
> > lai-bin thai. Mai thai chhut khi kau
> > > > goa-khau, khiong-kian e siah-tiau Tai-gi-bun e khi-se.
> > > >
> > > > I-siong
> > > > Si-chong
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2002/6/27 PM 09:30:08, "" 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: "" 
> > > > >
> > > > > To: "Hak-khiam" , 
> > > > > Subject:Re: [TGB] Sin chheh chhut pan: POJ vs. TLPA
> > > > > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:30:08 +0800
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Taike ho,
> > > > >
> > > > > Chit laite ue kong gah chiann u toli (huhap susit jichhiann logic
e
> > thong),
> > > > > ue to u bunte (bo huhap susit asi logic be thong). Chiann taike
> > banbana
> > > > > tholun.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ti chia goa seng pouchhiong 2 tiam:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Chiahe chuliau khoann--khilai kap 1999/12/12 e Taioan Gibun
> > Chengchhek
> > > > > GTH hoatpiau--e oanchoan kangkhoan. Tosi kong, chitkoa u bunte e
> > pouhun u
> > > > > kihoe kaicheng, mkoh peng bo kai.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. "(33) Kah, It imphiau pikaupio" si leh pikau "Thongiong
Imphiau"
> e
> > > > > "Kahsek" kap "Itsek". Msi POJ vs. TLPA.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ti chia goa beh kiongtiau 2 e TLPA e bunte:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. ?å¯ä»¥ä½¿èºç£ é©åèªåå®¢å®¶è©±åè
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Che si 1 e kipun e bunte: taute simmih si TLPA? I e hoanui kau
> tohui?
> > TLPA e
> > > > > chuliau tui che long bo kong chhengchho.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chiau chit ku oe, engkai si u pauham GCB gigian. Mkoh Kauiokpou
> > kongpou--e
> > > > > sitche siong iau msi 1 e hongan. (esai anchoann, esai anchoann,
...
> > bo
> > > > > bengkhak tengchhut 1 e hongan.
> <http://www.edu.tw/mandr/bbs/1-4-4.htm>)
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. 2.æè²é¨å
¬åçåªæ¯é³æ¨èå·²ï¼ä¸æ¯æå­ã
> > > > >
> > > > > Che si lenggoa 1 e kipun e bunte: siatke TLPA e bokphiau si
siann?
> > > > >
> > > > > Chiau chit ku oe, TLPA si beh tongcho imphiau lai suiong. Na
anni,
> i
> > e
> > > > > siatke sitche siong bo tatkau i e bokphiau.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mtann i e im bo chun nia (chit tiam chiann taike banbana tholun),
u
> e
> > im
> > > > > TLPA ma betang piausi (chhiann mng: kejipsiann, te "8" siann e
> > piantiau,
> > > > > TLPA beh anchoann piausi), kohkhah tiongiau--e si TLPA kinpun to
bo
> > chunchai
> > > > > e pitiau.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Chhiann siunn khoannmai, 1 phinn lunbun laite sia "oo", "ee",
"er",
> > ...
> > > > > khoann e lang beh anchoann chaiiann i e chengkhak hoatim? Simsi
koh
> > ai eng
> > > > > IPA (kokche imphiau) lai piausi. Na anni, eng IPA lai piausi
> imphiau
> > to ho--
> > > > > a, na tioh eng TLPA?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > TLPA kholeng iukoh si lenggoa 1 tho pophomofo, kiann be chhut
> Taioan.
> > > > >
> > > > > TLPA ti haksutkai eng khah che, mchai Taioan e haksutkai nah e
> > chiapsiu eng
> > > > > TLPA lai sia lunbun? Phahsng bo beh hou kokche siong e hakchia
> khoann
> > u?
> > > > > Phahsng TLPA betang piausi e hoanui to bian giankiu--a?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Isiong,
> > > > >
> > > > > Kiatgak
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Hak-khiam
> > > > > To: 
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:07 PM
> > > > >
> > > > > Subject: [TGB] Sin chheh chhut pan: POJ vs. TLPA
> > > > >
> > > > > Tak-ke ho:
> > > > >
> > > > > Choe-kin khoaN chit pun sin-chheh.
> > > > > U kong tioh POJ kap TLPA. Chhau pou-hun hou tak-ke khoaN mai leh.
> > > > >
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